Comments on: Honda: Fuel-cell cars on market by 2018 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 1c3d0g http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289726 1c3d0g Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:10:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289726 I think BMW is about 10 years ahead of them...Honda, don't fall behind please. I think BMW is about 10 years ahead of them…Honda, don’t fall behind please.

]]> By: chevy490 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289655 chevy490 Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:41:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289655 ? ?

]]> By: Driven http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289646 Driven Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:58:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289646 golf4me, you have a point, there are near zero emission vehicles today. I look at alternatives to petrolum not to save the environment but to stop our dependance on foreign oil. Any alternative that cuts the main supply of money to people that want us dead is a good thing. We'll always need some oil. We need to find a way to get to a point where our US supply in Alaska and other places meets/exceeds our demand. I'm all for H2 if that means using US coal to create energy to produce hydrogen fuel. May not be much better for the environment, but its better for the US not to be sending billions to people that hate us. golf4me, you have a point, there are near zero emission vehicles today. I look at alternatives to petrolum not to save the environment but to stop our dependance on foreign oil. Any alternative that cuts the main supply of money to people that want us dead is a good thing.

We’ll always need some oil. We need to find a way to get to a point where our US supply in Alaska and other places meets/exceeds our demand. I’m all for H2 if that means using US coal to create energy to produce hydrogen fuel. May not be much better for the environment, but its better for the US not to be sending billions to people that hate us.

]]> By: gitcypher http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289633 gitcypher Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:52:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289633 Fuk-ui. $84,000. I don't even have to make the joke. Fuk-ui. $84,000. I don’t even have to make the joke.

]]> By: Hyperion http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289580 Hyperion Sat, 30 Dec 2006 21:56:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289580 Awesome! Fuel-Cell Hybrids by 2018 More rear-drive Hondas with engines that have more torque by... never. Honda can just skip over that part and go right to fuel cells. Awesome!

Fuel-Cell Hybrids by 2018

More rear-drive Hondas with engines that have more torque by… never. Honda can just skip over that part and go right to fuel cells.

]]> By: leviathan18 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289572 leviathan18 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:17:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289572 yes and after they show us how to do it we can live in peace LOL and honda said if the car were not priced over 80k $ yes and after they show us how to do it we can live in peace LOL

and honda said if the car were not priced over 80k $

]]> By: Ricardo Head http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289563 Ricardo Head Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:20:58 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289563 Here's what's gonna happen people. The envirowhacks all tout hydrogen power as the saviour of the planet, but when everyone is driving them the global humidity level will shoot thru the roof, causing dry-air-loving plants to die and more hurricanes and the like and environmental catastrophes, and then all the envirowhacks will blame everyone for doing what they said was the right thing, and will change their tune ONCE AGAIN because some jackoff euroscientist somewhere blamed the USA for all the world's problems AGAIN. . Bunch of idiots. If the envirowhacks hate humanity so much and want us all dead, they should set an example by first slitting their own throats so we can see how it's done. Here’s what’s gonna happen people. The envirowhacks all tout hydrogen power as the saviour of the planet, but when everyone is driving them the global humidity level will shoot thru the roof, causing dry-air-loving plants to die and more hurricanes and the like and environmental catastrophes, and then all the envirowhacks will blame everyone for doing what they said was the right thing, and will change their tune ONCE AGAIN because some jackoff euroscientist somewhere blamed the USA for all the world’s problems AGAIN.
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Bunch of idiots. If the envirowhacks hate humanity so much and want us all dead, they should set an example by first slitting their own throats so we can see how it’s done.

]]> By: golf4me http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289562 golf4me Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:04:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289562 84k for a car you won't be able to fuel? Unless it has an onboard converter, with water or gas, it will be completely useless. There will be no hydrogen infrastructure in 11 years, folks. Plus, the energy (and corresponding emissions) it takes to convert water or gas to hydrogen far outweighs the benefit of running a car on it, moreso than even a plug-in electric. The only way it could be a plus-plus situation is if the energy used for producing hydrogen is solar or wind power. You can't make energy from nothing. If there was a solar/wind technology efficient & cheap enough to produce hydrogen on a mass scale, THAT would be the great breakthrough, not the hydrogen car. If that came to be, we could get all of our personal electricity and heat from those sources, and free up all the petroleum for vehicles anyway. TODAY there are zero and near-zero emission petroleum fueled vehicles, so whats the big advantage of electric/hybrid/hydrogen vehicles anyway? With the above scenario, all petroleum could be used in vehicles, which would make it an almost infinite resource, especially if you factor in coal & shale as a source for it. 84k for a car you won’t be able to fuel? Unless it has an onboard converter, with water or gas, it will be completely useless. There will be no hydrogen infrastructure in 11 years, folks. Plus, the energy (and corresponding emissions) it takes to convert water or gas to hydrogen far outweighs the benefit of running a car on it, moreso than even a plug-in electric. The only way it could be a plus-plus situation is if the energy used for producing hydrogen is solar or wind power. You can’t make energy from nothing. If there was a solar/wind technology efficient & cheap enough to produce hydrogen on a mass scale, THAT would be the great breakthrough, not the hydrogen car. If that came to be, we could get all of our personal electricity and heat from those sources, and free up all the petroleum for vehicles anyway. TODAY there are zero and near-zero emission petroleum fueled vehicles, so whats the big advantage of electric/hybrid/hydrogen vehicles anyway? With the above scenario, all petroleum could be used in vehicles, which would make it an almost infinite resource, especially if you factor in coal & shale as a source for it.

]]> By: Eion http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289558 Eion Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:20:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289558 "wasnt the hindenberg a hydrogen fueled vehicle?" No, it wasn't. The Hindenburg used hydrogen for buoyancy, and had diesel-powered engines. Nice try though. The BMW hydrogen-powered cars are combustion rather than fuel cell, and I suspect that fuel cell technology is still very much in development (whereas combustion-based hydrogen power is a reality already). That said, there's definitely a chicken-and-egg problem with hydrogen infrastructure. “wasnt the hindenberg a hydrogen fueled vehicle?”

No, it wasn’t. The Hindenburg used hydrogen for buoyancy, and had diesel-powered engines. Nice try though.

The BMW hydrogen-powered cars are combustion rather than fuel cell, and I suspect that fuel cell technology is still very much in development (whereas combustion-based hydrogen power is a reality already). That said, there’s definitely a chicken-and-egg problem with hydrogen infrastructure.

]]> By: Vdub http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289526 Vdub Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:07:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289526 hydrogen wont work! wasnt the hindenberg a hydrogen fueled vehicle? haah hydrogen wont work! wasnt the hindenberg a hydrogen fueled vehicle? haah

]]> By: Driven http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289509 Driven Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:39:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289509 Stig, you are exactly right. BMW already has hydrogen cars planned for a large test starting next year. The problem isnt producing these cars or finding people willing to drive them. The problem has been placing these cars in vicinity of a hydrogen refilling infrastructure. This article notes Honda believes the infrastructure will be in place to support a mass produced fuel cell car by 2018. Basically Honda thinks in the next 11 years we can perfect the technology that already exists and get infrastrcuture in place to support a wider adoption of the technology. In the meantime we will see more and more hydrogen cars on the road in small test beds surrounding the limited refilling stations in existance. Similar to BMWs planned test - I think in California & Europe. Stig, you are exactly right. BMW already has hydrogen cars planned for a large test starting next year. The problem isnt producing these cars or finding people willing to drive them. The problem has been placing these cars in vicinity of a hydrogen refilling infrastructure.

This article notes Honda believes the infrastructure will be in place to support a mass produced fuel cell car by 2018. Basically Honda thinks in the next 11 years we can perfect the technology that already exists and get infrastrcuture in place to support a wider adoption of the technology.

In the meantime we will see more and more hydrogen cars on the road in small test beds surrounding the limited refilling stations in existance. Similar to BMWs planned test – I think in California & Europe.

]]> By: Driven http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289506 Driven Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:29:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289506 One special Honda? Well yes, it is… it's a hydrogen fuel cell car. Comment by pirelli, posted on December29 at 7:53 pm pirelli, of course one of the first few fuel cell cars will be special just as the first hybrids were special. But this article isnt referring to one of the first fuel cells. Its referring to a Honda for the "general market" using an "affordable technology" with "infrastrcuture to support it". This fuel cell Honda wont be the first or only fuel cell car (ie. It wont be special). It will be much like the Toyota Prius. The Prius wasnt the first hydrid, but it was the first mass produced hybrid for the general public. A car for the general public, such as the prius, goes for $20k MSRP. While Honda is asking $60k in 2007 dollars for what they call a general market fuel cell car. People will be slow to adopt that technology on a wide scale at that price. One special Honda? Well yes, it is… it’s a hydrogen fuel cell car.
Comment by pirelli, posted on December29 at 7:53 pm

pirelli, of course one of the first few fuel cell cars will be special just as the first hybrids were special. But this article isnt referring to one of the first fuel cells. Its referring to a Honda for the “general market” using an “affordable technology” with “infrastrcuture to support it”.

This fuel cell Honda wont be the first or only fuel cell car (ie. It wont be special). It will be much like the Toyota Prius. The Prius wasnt the first hydrid, but it was the first mass produced hybrid for the general public. A car for the general public, such as the prius, goes for $20k MSRP. While Honda is asking $60k in 2007 dollars for what they call a general market fuel cell car. People will be slow to adopt that technology on a wide scale at that price.

]]> By: The Stig http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289503 The Stig Sat, 30 Dec 2006 02:10:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289503 Yeah sure. Where's the H2 going to come from? The car/fuel cell is the easier problem to solve. The production, storage and distribution of H2 is harder. Yeah sure. Where’s the H2 going to come from? The car/fuel cell is the easier problem to solve. The production, storage and distribution of H2 is harder.

]]> By: Ricardo Head http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289502 Ricardo Head Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:38:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289502 By 2057 most of us will be dead. WGAF? By 2057 most of us will be dead. WGAF?

]]> By: ironpony42 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289501 ironpony42 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:12:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289501 Like it or not fellow petrolheads, this is the future. We are witness to the infancy of alternative fuels technology that our kids will take for granted. By 2057, Fuel Cell vehicles will be the norm. Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future. Imaging a full size pickup truck, whos only emmission is clean water. Or the ultimate dream, a vehicle where you fill the fuel tank with tap water. Onboard Hydrogen production, for internal combustion. It's all being worked on. Stay tuned... Like it or not fellow petrolheads, this is the future. We are witness to the infancy of alternative fuels technology that our kids will take for granted. By 2057, Fuel Cell vehicles will be the norm. Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future. Imaging a full size pickup truck, whos only emmission is clean water. Or the ultimate dream, a vehicle where you fill the fuel tank with tap water. Onboard Hydrogen production, for internal combustion. It’s all being worked on. Stay tuned…

]]> By: pirelli http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289496 pirelli Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:53:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289496 $84k in 2018 is still pricey. Factoring in 3% inflation each year, the present value of $84k in 2018 is equivalent to $60683 in 2007. That would have to be one special Honda to consider paying $60k in todays dollar. I guess Honda is looking to go upscale with the fuel cells ;) Comment by Driven, posted on December29 at 6:31 pm One special Honda? Well yes, it is... it's a hydrogen fuel cell car. $84k in 2018 is still pricey. Factoring in 3% inflation each year, the present value of $84k in 2018 is equivalent to $60683 in 2007. That would have to be one special Honda to consider paying $60k in todays dollar. I guess Honda is looking to go upscale with the fuel cells ;)
Comment by Driven, posted on December29 at 6:31 pm

One special Honda? Well yes, it is… it’s a hydrogen fuel cell car.

]]> By: Kaizen http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289490 Kaizen Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:55:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289490 We'll it would make sense that the first fuel cells will be luxury vehicles. That's how all new expensive technology is introduced. Take navigation and HID lights for example. It gives the manufacturer income and the time to develop more cost-effective implementations. We’ll it would make sense that the first fuel cells will be luxury vehicles. That’s how all new expensive technology is introduced. Take navigation and HID lights for example. It gives the manufacturer income and the time to develop more cost-effective implementations.

]]> By: christianboy10 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289488 christianboy10 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:44:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289488 Thanks driven for that info Thanks driven for that info

]]> By: Driven http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289487 Driven Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:41:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289487 Present value equation using 3% inflation over 11 years makes that Honda cost $60k today. If Honda offered a fuel cell car today would you pay $60k to own it? That’s the same as if they offer it in 11 years at $84k. I used 3% inflation as the past 15 years the US has averaged just below 3% inflation. Unless inflation skyrockets out of control or the government forces us to buy fuel cells I don’t think people will be jumping at a $84k Honda just like they wouldn’t jump at a $60k Honda today. If this happens in 11 years I think their fuel cells will be slow sellers at that price. Present value equation using 3% inflation over 11 years makes that Honda cost $60k today. If Honda offered a fuel cell car today would you pay $60k to own it? That’s the same as if they offer it in 11 years at $84k.

I used 3% inflation as the past 15 years the US has averaged just below 3% inflation.

Unless inflation skyrockets out of control or the government forces us to buy fuel cells I don’t think people will be jumping at a $84k Honda just like they wouldn’t jump at a $60k Honda today. If this happens in 11 years I think their fuel cells will be slow sellers at that price.

]]> By: christianboy10 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289486 christianboy10 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:31:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289486 You dont think so @ the rate things going we might be buying a honda civic for that price in 12 years You dont think so @ the rate things going we might be buying a honda civic for that price in 12 years

]]> By: Driven http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289485 Driven Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:31:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289485 $84k in 2018 is still pricey. Factoring in 3% inflation each year, the present value of $84k in 2018 is equivalent to $60683 in 2007. That would have to be one special Honda to consider paying $60k in todays dollar. I guess Honda is looking to go upscale with the fuel cells ;) $84k in 2018 is still pricey. Factoring in 3% inflation each year, the present value of $84k in 2018 is equivalent to $60683 in 2007. That would have to be one special Honda to consider paying $60k in todays dollar. I guess Honda is looking to go upscale with the fuel cells ;)

]]> By: truong http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289483 truong Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:14:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289483 inflation doesnt occur that quickly christianboy inflation doesnt occur that quickly christianboy

]]> By: christianboy10 http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289482 christianboy10 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:08:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289482 not saying am going to buy one but 84k in 2018 wont be that much money not saying am going to buy one but 84k in 2018 wont be that much money

]]> By: A non E Moose http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289480 A non E Moose Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:01:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289480 WOW!!! And only 12 years away!?! Oh Boy! Thanks Honda! If I put the $35,000 aside (for the Accord Hybrid) now, in 12 years I may have enough to, oh wait. $84,000? Hmmmm. No thanks. I will just buy gas now (at $2.29/gallon) and put it in a storage tank. In 12 years, i will have enough gas saved up to last the rest of my like, and will just drive my regular car. Thanks, but no thanks. Idiots!!!! WOW!!! And only 12 years away!?! Oh Boy! Thanks Honda! If I put the $35,000 aside (for the Accord Hybrid) now, in 12 years I may have enough to, oh wait. $84,000? Hmmmm. No thanks. I will just buy gas now (at $2.29/gallon) and put it in a storage tank. In 12 years, i will have enough gas saved up to last the rest of my like, and will just drive my regular car. Thanks, but no thanks.

Idiots!!!!

]]> By: MyGodBeatsYourGod http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289479 MyGodBeatsYourGod Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:00:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289479 $84,000...That includes the H2O ionizer, right?? $84,000…That includes the H2O ionizer, right??

]]> By: BAMF http://www.leftlanenews.com/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018.html#comment-289476 BAMF Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:55:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/29/honda-fuel-cell-cars-mainstream-by-2018/#comment-289476 honda? $84,000? honda? $84,000?

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