We sould all worry – about our economy…

I thought almost all of Chevrolet’s cars were showing increases over last year. I’m sure a re-vamped Cobalt can’t come soon enough!

Remember, everyone will be driving a Kia because those are the only cars 80% of us will be able to afford when our economy goes into depression.

If Honda were a larger company with a full line then they would be outselling Chevy. Honda clearly makes a superior more reliable product than the trailer trash brand from GM. Its only a matter of time for Honda to get that #2 spot and then Toyota and Honda can go head to head just like they do for best sedan in the US
I cant wait for the war to begin

Detroit threw out so much unreliable crap during the ’80s and ’90s they lost those customers and their offspring forever. This was inevitable.

The ride everyday gets uglier and uglier … even Ford is in on the littering … the Focus is fighting hard, with Toyota and Honda, with ugly and popular ****.

I’m happy for Toyota and Honda. Quite simply, they build a better product, so they deserve the sales.

yeah, it’s only a matter of time before Honda surpasses Chevrolet.

It’s actually totally wrong of them to say that Ford does not have a load of small & medium size cars in their line-up. They very much do have them, but they refuse to offer them to us because they say we don’t want them.

The statment that Honda takes ford’s #3 spot make’s no since. Seeing that it cleary states that overall sales Ford has a lead. It is not Ford’s falt that they sell fleet as well as retail and honda does not. Left lane new’s you are sure strecthing for new’s articles, arnt you.

Looks like big Blue Oval just couldn’t hack it when their gas guzzling redneck truck stopped selling. Maybe if they made a competent car other than Mustang there wouldn’t be a problem. Ford has some great offerings overseas… it is just sad that it has taken a situation like this to get the people up in the big tower to wake up and start bringing the vehicles over.

The article covers US sales (and usually Canadians are lumped in). In US, which is still the most lucrative market, Ford has very little to offer. European Ford cars, that everyone is crying about, can not be sold in US as is: they need to be re-certified to meet US specs. What takes a year or two for Honda takes 5-6 years for Ford and by that time their European car becomes obsolete. Basically, head in the sand strategy did not work for Ford (or GM for that matter).

If there’s anything for the domestics to use as a scapegoat the only thing they can use is the high gas prices. Overall Toyota and Honda offer better fuel efficient cars than GM or Ford or Chrysler. And I’m not talking about reliability or quality because back in the 90’s Honda still probably had better quality than the domestics but they weren’t in the top spot as far as best selling brands go because gas was cheap and nobody was complaining about it, like they are now. The consumer has to change and adapt to this ever changing environment, so now those consumers are trading in their Explorers for Civics.

And GM isn’t in really any better position than Ford (well maybe a little better) RaineMan so Honda will probably surpass Chevy soon too.

Maybe all the people cattering to toyota and honda should be put in jail for treason. What the hell ever happened to nationalism? And don’t even tell me japan makes better cars, that’s just an excuse import humpers that don’t know $H!T about cars use to make their crappy decision in buying a car seem more logical. Why would anyone want to support people that we are economically in a war with?

GM just needs to cut a brand or two… stop the badge-engineering… and consolidate. Start by ditching GMC… everything they sell is a rebadged Chevy, and with truck sales sliding I can’t see the brand doing well at all in the next 5 years. Then cut Buick out… GM already has one luxury brand… Caddy.

That would certainly increase Chevy sales right there… and decrease costs across the board.

Your talking about cutting out brands rich with automotive history just because a bunch of tree huggers want to support some slanty eyed mofo’s that in a previous article said they really don’t even give a crap about cars. Don’t cut them, bring back the Buick Gran Sport GSX, or the Grand National GNX. Japan doesn’t let us sell new cars IN japan, why should we allow them to sell theirs here?

Honda & Toyota may be Japanese owned companies, but you can’t argue the fact that all their VOLUME cars/trucks are made (and mostly designed) right here in the US. It’s not their fault the domestics can’t even get out of their own way.

Nationalism was a great religion in Germany during WWI and WWII. We know how well it worked for krauts. Hondas and Toyotas that sold in America are more American then Mexico and Korean build Fords and Chevy’s.
As far as economic war stories, Fords and GM at economic war. Douglas MacArthur did a fine job rebuilding Japan and restoring her potential for civilian use. All Hondas and Toyotas we are driving sign of appreciation for his work.

HRR… I own two domestics… a Chevy & a Dodge. Before this year I wouldn’t have even considered giving a first look at anything Honda produced… but after going to the dealerships last month I can honestly say that neither Chevy or Ford offer anything in the sub-compact 30+MPG class that is as fun or as useful as the Fit.

Aveo is just a rebadged Daewoo POS… and Ford has… that’s right… nothing.

Just so you know… I would be all for bringing back the GNX. But when Buick picked Tiger Woods as their spokesperson… I knew that any kind of performance was dead in the water. “Want to look good when you pull up to the country club, buy a Buick!”

@HemiRoadRunner
“Maybe all the people cattering to toyota and honda should be put in jail for treason. What the hell ever happened to nationalism?”
It drowned in a sea of cafe lattes and anime. Its uncool to be a white-collar person and like American stuff. Its so “blue-collar” and therefore completely beneath them. Just look at the redneck insult that gets attached to the pickup-truck (the blue collar vehicle of choice). It shows the contempt of today’s business monkey for the working man. That contempt extends to American brands. I’m a white collar monkey myself and I’ll never drive anything that’s not American. I drive a Suburban (and I’m single with no kids, only one of those 8 seats sees regular use, suck on that greenies) that was built in Janesville. Designed by Americans, built by Americans, assembled by Americans, etc. No riceburning POS from Toyonda can beat that.

BTW, Its nice to see another person who still respects their country, my kudos to you and my jealousy if you indeed do own a hemi Roadrunner.

@xyunya,
Do you even understand what nationalism is? Germany’s “religion” (they were Christian you know) was fascism. Nationalism is a strong loyalty to and support of one’s own country. The United States used to be fiercely nationalistic, but now its uncool to support domestic industry. For an American, buying a Toyota does NOT constitute support of one’s own country. It is in fact the opposite of supporting one’s own country. Did you know that Japan holds the largest chunk of American trade deficit? We funnel more money into Toyota than we do OPEC. its basic economics people, you don’t support domestic industry your economy will collapse.

@RaineMan,
Cobalt XFE offers better fuel economy than the Fit and its faster and bigger. What about a Fit is fun anyways?

@HemiRoadRunner:
You know, I have tried to bring my business to a domestic manufacturer for the last 20 years. Everytime I’ll brough a new car I’ve tested the appropriate car for Ford, GM and MOPAR. Guess what? Each time they’ve simply failed to match the competition on quality, economy, and liveabilty. If they domestics want to improve their sales, they need to start and end with their products. The bloated, boring, unreliable gas-guzzlers need to go.

I’m left wondering what is the share of Daewoo legacy models in the Chevrolet sales.

Chevrolet bought Daewoo as a manufacturer of small and reasonably reliable cars and I suspect that without that it would be in deeper troubles that it’s at the moment.

As to the mpg, yes, I was able to get 30 mpg on average from a then brand new 3-liter V6 Taurus I rented in 2006. Without much effort. It’s just that the car cornered like a cathedral, had brakes made of marshmellows, air-con was on the bring of disintegraion and the rubber insulation on the boot lid didn’t quite hold in place ….

Ok Rainman, I get you once you mentioned tiger woods’s overated @$$. If people put just a LITTLE thought into what they were buying, we all might not be having this conversation. What the hell is wrong with supporting the people who support you? Japan doesn’t do a thing for me. As far as japan giving our people jobs, if your cool with low wages, extreme hours and constantly reinventing the wheel, then I guess it’s the job for you. And the geo metro got 50+ mpg long before any of the jap hybrids. And yes I have a Hemi road Runner, it needs to be restored though, I have almost all NOS and OEM parts for it, it’s a ‘70, B5 blue, bench seat, pistol grip 4 speed, dana 3:54’s, the original block is gone but I have a ‘69 dated hemi to go back in it. I just need the time to do it. Unlike the import rejects that sell out so quickly, I will NEVER sell it. That’s the difference between domestic guys and import humpers.

Frylock…

I’ve never even heard of a “Cobalt XFE”. I own a Cobalt SS and am a regular on many Cobalt forums. I just think it is a marketing gimick by Chevy to make the Cobalt look just a little bit better.

The Cobalt is big… huge for a compact car infact… but as far as cargo space goes it has zero. I can’t even fit normal sized luggage or any boxes in my own trunk b/c the opening is too narrow. I have to put the back seats down (via the in-trunk releases) and load things backwards… which is a huge PITA. Not to mention the lovely center seatbelt which gets in the way of any wide boxes… you can’t fit 3 people back there anyways… why have it?

With the Fit… pop the back hatch… the middle seats fold flat with a button press… wow… tons of cargo room should I ever need it.

As far as faster… I would love to see a base model Cobalt try and outrun a Fit Sport with the manual tranny. The Cobalt probably weighs 500lbs more. And gas mileage… please… I know the 2.2 Ecotec… it may be good… but it’s not that stellar.

The Fit is a zippy little car that never feels slow or anemic on the roads. It’s no demon… it’s not even really fast… but it manouvers superbly and I felt really comfortable driving it around.

Don’t get me wrong… I love my Cobalt… but I just need a bit more utility… and a smaller price tag too.

@RaineMan,
The Cobalt XFE is a Cobalt LS/LT with the 2.2L Ecotec and 5sp manual manufactured after 3/13/08. It gets 36hwy as opposed to the 32mpg the previous manual Cobalt got. They tweaked engine timing and a few other things to get the extra mpgs. The XFE badge is so dealers can’t screw over customer passing off a 32mpg pre-xfe cobalt as the 36mpg model. I agree they they are overmarketing it, but it really is that efficient. The Fit scores an EPA 34mpg highway vs the Cobalt XFE’s 36. If you can live with a manual (and it sounds like you prefer them), the Cobalt is more efficient.

As far as quickness the Cobalt will outrun the Fit no problem, its more powerful and the Fit really isn’t much lighter. The 1.5L 5sp Fit makes 118hp/107ft-lbs to deal with 2646lbs of cub weight. The 2.2L 5sp Cobalt makes 148hp/155ft-lbs to deal with 2681(coupe) or 2747(sedan) lbs of curb weight. The Ecotec’s extra grunt should more than overcome the 40-100lb difference. The reason the cars are so close in weight is that the fit dimensionally really isn’t much smaller than a Cobalt/Civic. Its packaged more space efficiently than Civic or Cobalt however.

I won’t argue usefulness with you as the Fit wins hands down. I’m a huge proponent of station wagons over sedans. A wagon (or hatch) will always be more useful than a sedan. The reason I bought a Suburban is because in 2007 there were no big wagons for me to buy. I’m glad I have the Suburban though, I love the ride quality and the usefulness. Plus when I take fishing trips, two vehicles are no longer required as I can take all 6-7 of us and the boat and the luggage/fishing gear. If GM offered a big RWD wagon again (and I mean comparable to my Caprice, not the midsized joke of a wagon the Commodore wagon is) I’d give up my SUV.

I’ve driven a Cobalt and a Civic and I didn’t find either terribly fun to drive, but I guess everyone has their own idea of fun though. I love driving around in my LT1 Caprice wagon (that’s the whole reason I kept it after getting the Suburban).

I’m considering buying an Cobalt XFE (in 2dr trim, just because it looks better) as a daily driver as the fuel costs for the Suburban are getting to the point where I’d almost break even and I’d keep some miles off the Suburban that way.

@HHR,
That sounds like an awesome car! I love Mopar muscle from that era. A 1970 Cuda is one of my dream machines. I plan on keeping the LT1 Caprice until it become a classic in its own right.

This also ignores the fact that part of Ford’s business is totally geared at the commercial market – ie, trucks. Several hundred thousand last year went to commercial fleets.

Honda’s fleet business is no longer practically zero. As of last year it was up to 57,000 from 19,000 the year before (Ford’s declined 180,000, mostly through rental reductions). I suspect Honda’s will be slightly larger this year. 1/3 of 57,000, though, is 19,000. 437k minus 19k still puts Honda below Ford on individual retail basis. I think that will change by the end of the year, but what hasn’t changed is that Ford still actively sells to fleets that aren’t rental, and I think it is disingenuous to ignore those sales or discount them as much as they have been here.

Yo Raineman you on Cobaltss.net?

I will never buy anything other than Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura. These cars are ROCK SOLID. Why on God’s green Earth would I waste my time w/ domestic crap? I can’t believe you can buy a brand new car like a civic or corolla for about 15 grand and drive them for years and years with great reliability. I still see old toyotas and hondas from the 80’s on the road. As long as you do the routine service to these cars, they’re like tanks. If you get MT trans it’s almost a guarantee that the car will last you 30 years and more.
I had a corolla for over 12 years. That comes out to about $100/month to own the car up till this day. And it barely sips gas while taking me reliably to my destination. Can’t beat that.

actually my 1994 80cc Honda Elite does… haha

I can’t believe the stupidity that comes from this site sometimes.

It’s the same kind of stupid on here that has the domestics in such problems. Come on if the Domestic had built as many Compacts with fuel efficient engine as they did SUV they would be in a better position. You can’t blame Honda or Toyota for keeping to small cars and still building cars for different segments. I guess they can do more than one thing at a time. I’ve had a Civic with a bad transmission so I understand that Honda or Toyota aren’t bulletproof but at least they give their customer’s more respect/ better value and more choices than most of domestic do. As to the ridiculous statement that you should support an American automaker that sends more jobs to other country (help its bottom line), Come on! Give me a break.

People supported domestic manufacturers for the past few decades despite the inferior products they were releasing. So, the domestic automakers continued to release vehicles that were beaten in nearly every category by the import competition.

The only reason we’re seeing halfway decent vehicles from GM and Ford currently is due to the American public refusing to buy on patriotism alone.

The guy who demands everyone buying American brand car wears Chinese pants, shoes or boots and everything else. He sits on Chinese furniture, eats Chinese seafood 9, his dog and cat gets poisoned by chinese dog/cat food; his children (if he learned how to sire them) haven’t known any other toys other then chineses and he worries about the state of our patriotism and economy. Frylock, try the impossible: extract your head out of your ass!

Or btw, Fit changes lanes as fast as Ferrari, per Car & Driver. No other car can do it (obviously Ferrari can).

If you swear by imports you’re an idiot. If you swear that domestic cars are all “crap”, you’re an idiot. People are so drunk on import car Kool Aid that they are missing the point of the article. Ford and Chevy make much better trucks than Toyota and Honda and trucks are what’s suffering right now due to gas prices. The article doesnt say Ford and Chevy dont make cars because thats a lie. The article doesnt say Honda is gaining on Ford and Chevy because they make unreliable cars because that would be a lie. The article picks and choses facts in order to make a point. Leaving out fleet sales is like saying we should leave out small car sales for Honda. You can’t decide which sales “dont count” when comparing sales. The article makes a point about Honda not using fleet sales but doesnt state that Toyota and Nissan have been increasingly relying on them. Also, Toyota isn’t larger than Chevy in overall sales, just retail sales which is dubious because Toyota doesnt even have access to certain fleet sales like government sales. If Toyota could sell police cars I’m sure they would.

Almost every car today is reliable. Almost every car today is well made. The same idiots who are on hear repeating crap they learned in the 70s and 80s about domestic reliability also likely believe Hyundai is a third rate brand with crappy cars. times change folks, we arent in the 80s anymore.

Also, saying we should buy Japanese cars because our clothes and toys are made in china is stupid. Many of the lower cost items we buy arent made in the US anymore so we have no choice but to buy imported goods. We do have a choice when it comes to cars and those choices are as good as what Japan is selling us. I also wonder how people can simultaneously talk about how American Japanese cars are these days but then insist that Japanese cars are far superior to “american” cars. If most non luxury Japanese cars are made in the US by Americans, with American suppliers and designed by Americans I would love to know how they could be much better than Big 3 branded cars that are made and designed by Americans. Can anyon explain that? Since Japanese cars arent really Japanese anymore I see no reason for me to be in awe of their supposed superiority.

” I’ve had a Civic with a bad transmission so I understand that Honda or Toyota aren’t bulletproof but at least they give their customer’s more respect/ better value and more choices than most of domestic do.”

This is one of the stupidest things I have read here and that’s saying something. WTF are you talking about? More choices? Honda gives you more choices? They dont even make a real truck. They dont make any RWD sedans. They dont even make a V8 engine. Toyota has a broader lineup but their small cars are lame. The Yaris has been trashed by the media and the new corolla isnt generating any excitement in the showroom. People like you explain why we are getting mediocre vehicles from Honda and Toyota these days. If vehicles like the 2009 Pilot, 2008 Accord, 2009 TSX, Rav 4, FJ Cruiser and Tundra are the best that the genius’ at Honda and Toyota can offer I will pass. Since Toyota and Honda are so into choices maybe you can explain why there’s no hybrid version of the Accord or why neither company has come out with a hybrid system for large vehicles with poor mileage. When is Toyota coming out with a diesel? When will Toyota offer a sports car again? When will Honda give us a practical sports car to replace the slow selling S2000? When will Acura make real luxury vehicles? Honda and Toyota have no respect for the customer because they correctly assume that most of their buyers are too closed minded and brainwashed to cross shop their mediocre products with those from GM or Mazda or Ford or even Hyundai. Get in the latest offerings from Honda and especially Toyota and you will see the complacency. The Camry and RAV4 interiors are proof that Toyota knows its owners have low expectations and they will do whatever they can to meet them with cheap materials and half ass fit and finish. Fortunately for Toyota their average buyer/fan will buy anything they put on the market.

Hear hear Autonut! Frylock and HemiRoadRunner need to take a look at the labels of their XXXL Old Navy t-shirts and sweatpants before they regurgitate any more patriotic BS.

****wads buy patriotically. That would be you ‘roadrunner’ … you are a ****wad.

****wads buy Japanese-only. That would be you ‘affliction’ … you, too, are a ****wad.

This site is filled with too many ****wads.

The company that builds what I want will get the sale, no other.

sj79, you have my respect, sir! That was the most eloquent argument that as been made on this site in a long time!

I love all these morons who think it’s perfectly fine for foreign industry to replace American industry. That’s DEFINITELY gotta be good for the economy….

Nationalism has nothing to do with buying a car its simply put to which car fits me and which car I like more. Obviously the Honda’s and the Toyota’s to most of the public are popular. The reasons are various some may like the style or the interior I mean its not import humping its simply the cars are made with person being top priority instead of sales being top priority. The Honda Fit is a nice car that gets great mileage and has ample utility room, the Camry compared to the Malibu seems to get the families as well as the Honda Pilot and the Toyota Hilander. Its what you get for your money and the people agree (not everybody because some dont) that the Japanese automakers makes cars for them.

Not to start up a controversy but let’s compare::

Camry Or Malibu
Honda Pilot or Dodge Journey
Chevrolet Aveo or Honda Fit
Toyota Corolla or Ford Focus

its all about what I get for the money and what seems to be the better buy.

Frylock and HRR, congratulations on spewing your usual round of commie pinko-bastard ****. Why the **** would I want to support the hyperunionized American manufacturing industry? Wait, I know! Is it because of the ****ty build quality? Wait, wait– is it the extra cost that goes to defraying exorbitant union costs? No no no, wait….it must be fact that the QC is in the ****ter because every time some unionmonkey gets the shaft he sabotages the assembly line.

So, in conclusion my fellow faggoteers, supporting a hyperunionized microcosm of communism = ****ty products = blind support of nonpatriotic values. See how easy it is to dupe a stupid redneck sisterfisting homo like Frylock and HRR? HAve a good night and **** you very much!

“Japan doesn’t let us sell new cars IN japan, why should we allow them to sell theirs here?”

That just straight up BS.

I seriously could not stop laughing at DeansterTJ’s comment.

But I completely agree with Zo0M 6… when you compare cars like the Malibu to the Accord, Aveo to the Fit, on the basis of bang for buck, the Jap’s always come out ahead.

^^ Oh, sure they do. That’s why when you compare apples to apples jap vehicles do things like get better fuel mileage and cost less. Oh, wait – they don’t? Hmmm….

Well, at least they last longer and have no reliability issues. Oh wait, that’s not true either…

Listen injunraiv, it’s very simple. Japanese cars don’t squeak like a barn full of mice after 50,000 miles. End of story. All the other ****, like mileage and repairs, is secondary. If your car is shimmying like a wasted teen in the club every time it hits a ripple in the road because it’s not tied down right, that’s the sort of **** that incenses owners. That’s the problem with all the American cars people around me own (including myself). I’ve yet to see a similar phenomenon in my friend’s cars: Nissan Rogue, Honda Accords and Civics, G35s, Jettas, the odd BMW, A4, Mazda3, you name it. My girlfriend’s Mazda3 has 100,000 miles on it and it sounds like a tomb going down the street. My brother’s Grand Cherokee and H3, my dad’s Olds, my Wrangler, all squeaky rattly shotboxes after a year of driving. They’re JUST NOT MADE THE SAME.

I disagree – my 03 bonneville with 103K rides like the day we took it home, my 196K Yukon ran great until the day my kid met the farmers fence with it. I test drive my customers cars all the time and Hondas, Toyotas, Mazdas, etc. all have problems, and all age the same. Hell, some of the biggest POSs in my shop have been Hondas. One of the nicest cars we’ve had in the shop lately was a customers 180,000 mile caddy he traded. It’s all relative…

Ok you canadian dumb@$$, I guess the cold weather up there freezes what’s left of your brain. I had an ‘04 Civic for a year to commute in so I didn’t have to rack up miles on my ‘02 Trans AM WS6 (even though it had twice as many miles as the honda). What a piece of $H!T the civic was. Yeah it had relatively low maintenance, it was cheap on gas, but it RATTLED, SQUEAKED, and rode rougher than my T/A. The shifter (5 spd) would CONTINUEOUSLY vibrate anywhere above 65 mph on the interstate in 5th on the honda. I bought it NEW maintained the hell out of it and, nothing serious broke, but it was extremely annoying, uncomfortable, and CHEAPLY MADE. Anyway, I’m absolutely buying a new Challenger R/T next spring.

“Obviously the Honda’s and the Toyota’s to most of the public are popular. ”

Is that why GM sells more vehicles than Toyota and Honda in the US market? When people brag about foreign nameplates owning over half the market I wonder if they are smart enough to realize there are 7 major foreign automakers selling vehicles in the US compared to the Big 3. It’s not surprising that the domestics are facing their smallest share ever when you consider the market is more saturated than ever. Mark my words, there will be no easy marketshare gains for Toyota, Honda or Nissan going forward due to market saturation. Even Hyundai has been stuck in recent years in spite of vastly improved product. Within the next decade its conceivable that no automaker will have more than 20% share in the US market and that automaker will likely be GM or Toyota. People here are talking about the superiority of Honda and Toyota product but in the three largest markets where they compete head on with GM they are selling less vehicles than GM. care to explain? In Europe they have had far less success displacing the native automakers becaue Europeans dont worship Japanese engineering the way Americans do. In fact, Americans worship any engineering that is seen as foreign since we assume other countries are more capable than we are when it comes to designing and building things.

“Nissan Rogue, Honda Accords and Civics, G35s, Jettas, the odd BMW, A4, Mazda3, you name it. My girlfriend’s Mazda3 has 100,000 miles on it and it sounds like a tomb going down the street. My brother’s Grand Cherokee and H3, my dad’s Olds, my Wrangler, all squeaky rattly shotboxes after a year of driving. They’re JUST NOT MADE THE SAME.”

stop lying. First of all the Rogue just came out so I surely hope it has no rattles. Secondly you dont tell us the age of the grand cherokee you are referencing. Thirdly, the H3 is a recent model so I dont buy that you have been in one that is full of rattles. At my job we have 1996 model Ford Taurus’ and they dont rattle. They are ugly and unrefined but they do not rattle. My parents had a ‘98 Olds that didnt rattle. We had a Chevy for 12 years (from GM’s supposed darkest hour- the 80s) that didnt rattle. I had an Alero for 6 years that didnt rattle. You are so biased and ill informed I wouldnt trust anything you say on here. YOu are either exaggerating or flat out lying. Lets not get into the quality of the 3 since my brother had one that was full of problems and had to be replaced after about 2.5 years of ownership. Tranny problems, brake problems, weak AC that couldnt cool the car, etc. He had a loaner car at least twice and the car had at least 4 or 5 warranty repairs during his ownership.

^^^^^ Spoken like a true LLN Gangsta. Thank you.

Hopefully the liberal America hating citizens of this country will be correct and we will have no choice but work for foriegn companies. That’s great, just like third world countries. Dumb****s just don’t get it.
I work in the insurance business and Honda owners are by far the most arrogant pain in the asses I deal with. The same idiots whom pay sticker for every Honda they buy.
Tripleonefagboy sucks Asian dick.

Do you mean liberal, america hating citizens or ‘liberal america’ hating citizens? Either way, you should be hoping the liberals get in – hell, the insurance windfall alone will be frigging HUGE if Hilary gets her way!

BTW, those Honda drivers are my biggest PITA as well. It’s a good thing their cars never break down…

The headline should say “#3 selling brand,” not “#3 brand.”

Ford (indeed, all the Big Three) spent too much time on giant SUVS, and is paying for it now.

1115: “If Honda were a larger company with a full line then they would be outselling Chevy.” Maybe.
“Honda clearly makes a superior more reliable product than the trailer trash brand from GM.” Uh, no.
johnnycanuck: “Detroit threw out so much unreliable crap during the ’80s and ’90s they lost those customers and their offspring forever.” Probably.

howsmydriving
“Quite simply, they build a better product.” THAN WHO??

HemiRoadRunner: “Maybe all the people cattering to toyota and honda should be put in jail for treason.” No.

“And don’t even tell me japan makes better cars,” Some Japanese cars ARE better than some American cars.

xyunya: “Douglas MacArthur did a fine job rebuilding Japan.” Yep.

RaineMan: I drive a buick. When I drive. I used $4 gas to my advantage before I crossed the pond. Tiger Woods should go away.

frylock350
“It’s uncool to be a white-collar person and like American stuff.” Yep.

I’ll never drismiss anything just because it’s American.

the Fit might be Honda’s best car.

Workers at Toyota plants in the U.S. make a decent wage.

affliction: “I will never buy anything other than Toyota/L—s and Honda/A—a.” Better you than me! “These cars are ROCK SOLID.” Ha ha ha!

IAfter my civic died at 91k, I bought a ford Tempo of the same year. IT WAS A HUGE STEP UP!!!

I’ve never heard of a toyonda lasting 30 years. 17 is the highest i’ve heard.

vincenzo: “The only reason we’re seeing halfway decent vehicles from GM and Ford currently is due to the American public refusing to buy on patriotism alone.” You’re very close to right on that one.

sj79: “Ford and Chevy make much better trucks than Toyota and Honda and trucks are what’s suffering right now due to gas prices.” Yep.

Toyotas aren’t tough enough to be police cars.
And you hit the nail on the head with this:
“Almost every car today is reliable. Almost every car today is well made. The same idiots who are on here repeating crap they learned in the 70s and 80s about domestic reliability also likely believe Hyundai is a third-rate brand with crappy cars.”

Impulsive: “The company that builds what I want will get the sale.” Hear, hear!

Zo0M 6 Zo0M:

Camry Or Malibu MALIBU
Honda Pilot or Dodge Journey NEITHER
Chevrolet Aveo or Honda Fit FIT
Toyota Corolla or Ford Focus FOCUS, FOR DAMN SURE!

HemiRoadRunner: “What a piece of $H!T the civic was.” You must be talki9ng about mine!
The Alero was a decent car.