EXACTLY !

My parents owned domestics and kept up on every car they owned. Fords leaked, the Chryslers tranny went and the GM’s did both all under 100k. A Town Car, Caprice wagon and a Voyager. Great vehicles lol. My parents didn’t have enough sense to buy Japanese until 1995 bc they were just like you.

The “classic” Honda (You said that not me) my parents own wasn’t babied it has over 140k on it which is about right (12k per year) Not to mention that it taken numerous road trips and was driven everyday. On top of that it survived myself and my younger brother driving it when we started. It had the proper maintenance like every car should. No exhaust sound, no tranny whine. Take care of it better and those things wont happen. Never said the car was God like but its better (reliability and resale)than any domestic especially a comparable GM. It is the best car they have owned and even though I tell them they should get a newer car (Import of course) they wont.

I know you waited and waited and thought you could get back into the argument but you are wrong again. Sorry you should have saved it

What tests are you taking about? Where are these tests lol.(If they exist) I challenge you to find one article, just one. Prove it

The minute you knew you were getting a Saturn for rent, your opinion was already formed in stone. You are laughable because you keep confirming everything I’m suspecting. I’ll bet you were secretly so impressed by the car that you could only deal with your confusion and anger by taking it out on someone else’s property, the Saturn. You suck. I’ll bet if I “drove the hell” out of mommy’s classic Accord it wouldn’t even survive (if it actually even exists). Oh yeah, assuming it does exist, does it have that nasty 3+ year old Honda exhaust sound? You know the one, slight rattle with a bit of muffled buzziness thrown in? (although that nasty Honda sound can always be drowned out with a useless, yet annoying, 5-inch exhaust tip). If not, im sure you’ve at least been blessed with the typical Honda tranny-whine. It’s so nice because you really don’t need a tachometer in a Honda equipped with an automatic because of their innovative tranny-whine. Some new Honda owners even get that blessing right when they drive off the lot without having to work for it.

You know 1115, you remind me of the people that failed the tests where the badges were swapped on import and domestic cars (you’re probably too young to remember this). Repeatedly the ignorant drone-like people chose the domestic (disguised with import badges) saying it felt more solid. The same drones felt the import (disguised with domestic badges) exhibited less quality. Yet their opinions were reversed along with the badges. And this was done over 10 years ago! My point? Some people are willfully and gleefully prejudiced. You are a prejudiced import sell out – but worse – you have no idea.

cavalier and Sunfire are much better cars than an “RSX,” but not really fit for racing. You’re clearly determined to hate anything not made by honda, so fine. Maybe one of us can give you a ride to the junkyard in his GMC

I disagree about GM making reliable vehicles. They have a track record of making vehicles with poor reliability just like Ford and Chrysler. They are trying now but its too little too late. Driving that Aura proved it to me .

Speaking of that pesky Saturn I rented I drove the hell out of it. I had it on a parkway where the speed limit was 70mph and it dragged ass the whole time It only had 17k on it !

Lastly, I will be on the lookout for Hyundai. They seem to know what they are doing. I’ve noticed that I usually see two Hyundai’s in a driveway. They also have Kia. My friend bought a brand new Kia Optima (Hyundai owned) and it drove great. Its not nearly as refined as a Japanese ride but the direction they are going in they will give the Japanese a SERIOUS run for their money (opinion) I will take a hard look at that Genesis when it comes out.

Lastly i would think that my opinion while OWNING a problematic Honda product should still be valid despite my screen name. That is, if your opinion of a RENTED Saturn is valid enough to draw wild comparisons.

This is fun and all 1115, but this seems to have turned into little more than symantec sparring and i admit that i am not the best at it. So, consider my being nice as a way of bowing to a loss, consider it weakness or whatever but it is appreciated that we’ve ended on a fairly civil note. I’m sure you’ll want to respond and I will show the courtesy of reading it.

For a guy who seems so mad about my Honda/Saturn Aura comment and who’s name has GMC one would think that you have no business in a Japanese car. You seem to have owned a lot of cars lol but once again I was right that there was no comparable GM or other domestic that fit your “requirements” Like I said try to find a GM that would give you less or no problems after 100k in 4 years.
Back up if Im right by reading consumer reports or going on Edmund’s

I didn’t “go through 5 domestics” (interesting spin). I have also owned 5 imports including this RSX. When I was younger I would foolishly replace cars about once every year and a half for the variety. No Sunfires or Cavaliers though.

Why did I buy this Honda product? when I bought my house 65 miles away from work I traded in my Tahoe knowing it would burn too much gas. And no, there was nothing domestic made that fit my requirements. Also, I banked on Honda’s acclaimed reliability. Overall, it wasn’t a bad car until about 2 years ago when the persistent rattles started. Then the electrical short that no one can locate. I didn’t modify a single thing on this car, it was a simple commuter. I’ve performed all the scheduled maintenance and I’m still on the original clutch to show how easy I’ve driven this thing. I have never raced this car (wouldn’t want to, that’s what the Syclone is for). I’m hoping you’re right about the resale of Honda products because now that i work less than 20 miles from home I can justifiably sell it to buy a car that I truly desire.

You seem to dwell on my 95 Honda comment which was my opinion and I never tried to pass off as fact

You are comparing an RSX with over 100k in 4 years ?? Obviously you have been driving the shit out of it.If you are such a GM fan why are driving an RSX ? Couldn’t find a comparable GM that was better?? Why did you have to go through 5 Domestics ? Maybe a Sunfire or a Cavalier would have served you better at 100 k in 4 years (doubt it)

The changes around GM are minimal compared to the technology of the Japanese car companies

As i’ve reported on here before, in addition to an elusive electrical short in my 2003 Acura RSX Type S, about 2 weeks ago the a/c took a dump on me (in 100+ degree weather). I was told by two mechanics it would cost $1,200 to repair and one said from his experience i should expect more problems because I’m over 100k miles now. Out of 5 domestic vehicles before this, not one had an electrical short or the a/c go out; and they had many more miles when i sold them. But this just brings me one step closer to a new Silverado, the Truck of the Year (twice over). But maybe I should cross-shop Honda’s offerings first… oh yeah, that’s right, Honda doesn’t produce a real truck. But then again there’s always the Ridgeline (cough, cough), uh yeah, sure.

So continue to dogmatically drive and praise your mom’s 1995 Honda Accord while the automotive world adapts and changes around you.

If i remember correctly, they were GM brands that held the top two spots on the most recent JD Powers dependibility study (tying for 1st with Lexus). Honda made a strong showing but was no where near the top two. My final point is that Honda doesn’t (and will probably never) make as many cars as GM. Fact.

And one last thing, taking your Fox News comment into account, i would assume that you are part of the Michael Moore – Bush Lied People Died/America Is Destroying the World/Pro Universal Health Care croud. A shame if so. But at least that explains your attitude of: my opinion is fact and you’re a [insert nasty name here] if you disagree.

I stated my opinion on driving both cars. Yea its messed up that GM’s Opel/Saturn Aura didn’t feel better than a 12 yr old Honda. The Aura dragged ass and felt like I had a body in the trunk. I was eager to drive the Aura but was very disappointed At least it looks good

The FACTS (READ) are that Hondas are a more reliable car with higher resale values than Ford Chrysler and especially GM

You keep “reading” but you dont understand. You must be a retard which would explain your love of GM.

I don’t beleive a ’95 Accord with 140k miles on it could possibly drive better than an Aura. It’s your mom’s car, of course you’re biased. I don’t mean to sound like a d*** and all but come on. You keep stating “fact” but then provide none.

I still feel GM’s refinement may not equal that of *new* Hondas, but then again, some of us just don’t care for the Asian car feel

Pretty much everything I said there applies here. You are judging domestics based on product from years ago, making bogus statements like “95 accord is better than a aura” just so you can win your argument (any fair person will admit the aura is better than a fucking 95 accord). AND, you’re refusing to actknowleadge that domestics are making a comeback. Talk about being a loyal hater – a couple bad years for domestics (early 2000s) and you are commited to hating them FOREVER because “they will never make reliable products”. They are making them right this minute as you’re spewing your ignored shit comments bro!

After your foray into what? ……. :O

-More open space, for larger cars. Try driving older Cadillacs around European streets (here doesn’t come in the word “always”). And…

-Longer distance travel, meaning someones going to want more creature comforts standard, or optional with their cars.

I’m determining this through inference, and simply because such continents as America and Australia have had some pretty large, high production cars.

I drove the new Tundra last week, and it’s more “american,” than Japanese

Every other misdize sedan is better than the accord/tl. Even the 12th-place camry costs less.

please, if the lambda is Brook burke, the Pilot is estelle getty, it just ain’t worth mentioning.

You sound like you’re trying to convince yourself the accord is the best (or even a good) car. good luck with that.

jjay: I’d be careful with the word “always.”

I was expecting Honda to go with a less conventional SUV design, as per the CR-V. This test mule looks more boxy then the last generation, not what I’d expect from Honda.

We’ll just have to wait to see. While Toyota goes with more lean, curved designs, Scion goes with more curved designs with the same leaned look as Toyota’s, and the CR-V argues on curves and boxes (per the window sill being round, and the roof being fairly straight forward), the Honda Pilot becomes more boxy and seemingly larger.

And I look at this way… the market in America has always dictated larger vehicles than other markets. The Japanese have had plenty of practice at such smaller vehicles, and that’s one reason why they’re… nicer I suppose. GM and Ford are catching up fast, since the market is now leaning torwards more fuel efficient cars. But America has always been buying torwards large cars, and guess what? Ford, GM and Chrysler will always make a better truck and SUV than Toyota or Honda. Cross-overs? Let’s allow the battle to begin.

“honda makes the ebst car around?” Around what? I can’t imagine there’s a single block in america without a car on it that’s better than a honda. More than two tires, and that honda’s bested by something. Honda motorcycles are just as good as anyone else’s I suppose, but four-wheeled vehicles — exactly how much crack did you smoke today, or do you just inject it directly into your bloodstream?

bcjohnson: when he said creeping up, I think he meant for lapping.

Replace “creeping up fast” with “far ahead” and you’d be speaking closer to the truth.

GM will figure out reliability before Honda figures out styling. At least GM is making headway on their short-comings. Honda is going backwards.

Besides, reliability is not the only factor in a purchase.