Good for Honda.

They are slacking on the sports car game. S2k is outdated, lets get silly with this Six Figure Honda.

S2K is still a hell of a good car. It’s the cream of the crop in it’s class in SCCA competition. $150k for a Honda seems a bit much. It will be an amazing car, but they just priced themselves above Porsche and doubled the price of the GT-R, not a wise move in my opinion.

It was a lot of money for the first NSX. However, those who plucked it in don’t feel sorry now, if they did not sell the car. Performance sounds on par with turbo Porsche. First NSX could blow turbo Porsche (in a good way).

Remember, the outgoing NSX MSRP’ed around US$90k when it was sold in 2005, so bumping the price of a car (that didn’t significantly change from ‘91-’05) to US$150k (est) … I don’t think that’s too much to ask for. However, since it is being branded a “Honda” (aka ‘value’), it does seem like a stretch.

Now … if Honda can produce a car with an interior worthy of Aston-Martin, with numbers and performance that rivals Ferrari (and better than the GT-R, more importantly) and weigh less than 3300lb… then $150k would be a bargain price indeed. I’ve taken a good look of the GT-R interior and there is room for improvement. Nice as a G37, but not even close to an Aston Martin interior.

“This engine may also appear in a high-performance version of the RL (RL-F?)”

This and the RL are made by ACURA, not Lexus. wow…

The GT-R is irrelevant, as it is no longer the fastest around the Nurburgring. The real question LLN should be asking is will the NSX beat the Corvette ZR-1, which is the current king of the hill at the ‘ring.

inspire, Honda/Acura will produce Aston interior after next ice age. However, 150K will be asked/demanded for performance level above of Aston.

Z06ified, I loved ‘Vette video, but those numbers in Nurburgring are due to driver skill. Assume (for a moment) that Honda will be able to plutz better skilled driver in the car, does that makes it faster then ‘Vette? We really don’t know what were conditions when Nissan was testing and I am sure it had affect on their speed. And realistically, how many people aware of Nurburgring test track, especially those with 150K to drop for a car? I doubd that this track serves as benchmark of performance or value. If car will look like Maserati and will perform great - it will sell.

inspire,

For the record, in 1991 the NSX retailed for $60K. Dealer mark-ups and overcharging pushed the price to $90K. The car didn’t change over the course of the next decade because nobody was willing to pay that type of money for a Japanese “quasi-exotic”. It just didn’t have the cache they have now. In order to sustain a model, the money picked up from sales has to go right back into R&D. No money and you’d be looking to cut costs. Where to do? The car that’s not selling. The NSX was only really sustained until its successor could come to market. By that time, both Honda and Acura had finally gained ground (which Acura then gave right back to Lexus, Mercedes and BMW). The next car WOULD’VE been the HSC, but inner turmoil kept the company from figuring out what they want to do.

The sad part about it is…I still don’t think they’ve quite figured it out.

========>>That whole entire technical description sounds Nastyy! an AWD FM-R V10 in itself sounds insane…

Acura sucks!
If U R lucky, 2 cylinders will B working at any time.

the GT-R does not suc.

The NSX is a ripoff compared 2 the Jaguar’s or Aston Martin.

S2K is still a POS.

SCCA is a loser competition.

It will not be an amazing car

if Honda can produce a car that does noit suck, iyt mite B a bargain.

Lexus also saucks

the NSX will not beat the ZR-1

title of this article confuses the hell out of me, sounds like the GT-R is getting cylinder deactivation before the NSX, but after reading all this, the article says that the NSX will get cylinder deactivation before the the GT-R, so shouldn’t it read NSX beating GT-R to get cylinder deactivation?? :-/

oh and grammar police, help out #9 please

Come on, ‘Z06ified’, like has been stated before … the GTR is more relevant than a base ‘Vette and the V-spec will make the ZR-1 irrelevant. Nissan’s built a better car than GM and each sibling is better than its counterpart … the V-spec is in the gym right now working out to utterly embarass the best Gm can do.

The ZR-1 can enjoy its short-lived moment in time as the TEMPORARY leader … must be sad knowing your time in the limelight was done before it ever started.

yeah the title does sound a bit confusing. I’m still p*ssed that the next NSX… or “NSX replacement” went from it’s original mid-engine configuration to the front engine set-up… If they end up calling it something else then fine, but it’ll never be the original…

So now Honda thinks they can get in the supercar segment, by charging 150k for a 600hp luxury supercar? Apparently so does Lexus with the LF-A, so it’ll be interesting to see these come out…

but just with the Corvette ZR1 and how people are saying they’ll never pay 100k for a Corvette (including myself), you think the ultra rich who can afford to buy Aston martins, 911 GT2’s, Ferrari F430’s etc are going to wanna drop 150k on a Honda? I doubt it. They’ll drop that kind of cash on the other cars mentioned above because of the name, but I think Honda is missing the mark.

As much as I think the GTR is the ugliest thing on earth, the level of performance that it offers for the price is what I think what makes it very attractive… Honda should have kept the NSX true to it’s original form, gave it 400-500hp in a Twin Turbo V8, kept it light weight, and kept the price around or just under 100k, and then it would be a great competitor to the GT-R…

^ Yeah impulsive apparently you didn’t hear the rumors… The ZR1 might be getting 700hp after the V-Spec comes out or the last year of the C6… SO what’s that going to do to the V-Spec???

The NSX, LF-A, GT-R… it’s a good time for Japanese sports cars.

The article’s wrong about the price of the Vanquish, which is much higher than $150k. Even the DB9 starts at $170k.

The only thing that would have gotten me more excited about the new NSX is a mid-engine layout. Of course, come to think of it, a mid-engine layout plus AWD is pretty rare…. the Veyron comes to mind, and I can’t really think of any others (exclusing the 911 turbo’s rear-engine layout)

It’ll be interesting to see how much Formula 1 tech trickles down to the NSX. Nissan has the Renault affiliation, but one doesn’t hear about any Formula 1-derived tech for the GT-R.

People don’t forget: NISSAN LOSES MONEY ON EVER GT-R SOLD. Honda lost money on every Acura NSX sold. Even when they jacked up the price laster on, they were STILL losing money. This time though, they want to maintane a certain profit. If they can make a car that runs circles around a GT-R & Z06, while maintaning Honda quality and everyday liveability, then it should do okay. Obviously a low volume car to start with.

the ZR1 is truly the king. amazing quality interior “audi levels”. awesome millimetre precise build quality. advanced suspension technology “leaf springs” + the greatest most powerful yet fuel efficent engine of all time.
I cant wait till i get mine

I second platinumlex’s comment. “RL-F”? They don’t even know which manufacturer they’re talking about. The rest of the “guesses” have very little basis. It seems like one rumor starts and everyone jumps on the bandwagon. The “horsepower wars” between the websites and magazines in particular is ridiculous. The only thing we know for sure about this next car is that it will have a V10 and SH-AWD. Everything else is pure speculation and is probably inaccurate.

I third the comment about the RL-F.

I’ll give the article credit for not being boring, but there are some problems with it. The title is really confusing, because to use “GT-R beating” as an adjective to describe the forthcoming NSX, it should be hyphenated as “GT-R-beating”.

Also, the last line refers to the Jaguar XKR and Aston Martin Vanquish. Clearly the author is referring to the Aston Martin Vantage, as the Vanquish was priced much higher and to the best of my knowledge not currently in production.

As for the car. The “NSX” (if that is, in fact, what it’ll be called) may or may not end up beating the GT-R. But is it really that impressive if a car with a significantly larger engine, less versatility and a considerably (I’ll wager more than double) higher price tag beats its “rival”? Don’t get me wrong, though, if this car is as advertised I will still be very happy.

And I’m also curious to know more about that “RL-F”.

‘Need4Speed’, you really think Nissan won’t up the ante after the ‘Vette tries again? Accept the FACT that it’s a superior car … the Corvette as a brand is irrelevant.

LS7 where do you get the info that Nissan loses money on the GT-R? see this :http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066

Z06ified, GM can enjoy the day in the sun for now but the LF-A, NSX and GT-R-Vspec will definitely beat that time. GT-R is still relevant as it is the top dog Japanese performamce car.
If it doesn’t beat the Corvette it must beat the GT-R

Need4SSpeed the Corvette is already at the limits of traction with 600bhp , at 700bhp the car will definitely leave the track and not post faster times.

yeah impulsive you don’t think that they can both go back and forth? Both of those engines are capable of more HP, but that’s not going to necessarily help them on the track, like Jazz said. But I’m sorry The GTR isn’t any “more superior” than a Corvette is to a Ferrari…

Ummm, go back and read ‘Jazz’’s post … adding horsepower doesn’t mean a better car … the GTR RULES … the ‘Vette is irrelevant. FACT.

IS THAT NOT THE SAME THING NISSAN IS DOING WITH THE GTR??? IT’S ALSO GETTING A HP BOOST…. FACT… F*CK OFF IMPULSIVE…

ZR1 is faster and way way way better looking than the GTR, so how is that irrelevant? “implosive” is a complete whiny bitch

Holy S H I A T … you tools are utterly worthless … having 5 000 hp doesn’t make a car better if it can’t get traction. FACT. The GTR has, respectively speaking, owned the ‘Vette. FACT. The V-spec will own the ZR-1. FACT. Whatever GM brings afterward will be trumped by Nissan. FACT. The ‘Vette is NOT better looking … they are both mediocre. FACT.

Now FACK AFF, monkeys.

Excuse me, I meant “implosive is a complete whiny monkey bitch.”

Good one, chimp … so original … kill yourself, loser.

I wish you could reference more primates you simplistic whinny bitch

I wish you’d understand that you are one, orangutan … I also wish you’d learn to spell, you illiterate piece of S H I A T.

For a second I thought that the slightly-ambiguous title implied that Nissan was developing a cylinder-deactivation system for the GTR.

Nonetheless, the NSX was aimed at Ferrari territory when launched, so a slight increase over the GTR and 911’s price shouldn’t seem surprising.

My mate has the UK’s only NSX-R and it’s a lovely beastie.
He does not regret his purchase.

i know this is way off topic and everyone still brings up the GTR vs ZR-1 convo all the time, but here is a vid on both, let me konw if it doesn’t show up- or if you’ve seen this, well…. watch again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ-CNFpPCnk

Saw it … just goes to prove that a sub-500 hp, overweight MONSTER can lose marginally to a car that is shortly to become irrelevant again when the MONSTER’S older brother comes to play.

Just imagine what Nissan could be doing if it offered a 600hp rocket.

“The GTR isn’t any “more superior” than a Corvette is to a Ferrari…” Why would soneone even put the Corvette in the same league as a Ferrari? They are like worlds apart. Corvette mgiht have a huge truck-like engine with no technology, but that doesn’t make it remotely close to a Ferrari. The corvette is a best-bang for the buck everyone can buy sports car, and will never be more.

How can you say truck like engine with no technology. It has just as much tech as anyone. Jusy because they don’t use OHC means nothing. The LS7 R engine was named Global Engine of the Year in 2006, and the judges included engineers from Japan and Europe. People love to jump on that crap and sound sophisticated. All over some over head cam stuff that american companies also used almost a century ago. Honda ran a damn distributor in the civic all the way to the year 2000, I don’t know anybody else running them in cars in 2000. Outdated junk.

I prefer engines that squeeze out every bit of performance possible on a per displacement basis. The LS7 makes 505hp and 475lb ft of torque from 7 liters. Whereas the 997 turbo engine makes 480hp and 480lb ft of torque from 3.6 liters, (granted with two turbos) to me that is technology. So its not like people love to jump on that crap and sound sophisticated. I don’t claim to be a mechanical enigneer, but I do like engines that are more than raw power plants.

So if they twin turboed the ls7 that would mean the engine has more technology even though it’s the same?