YOOOOHOOOOOOO! 1115!!!!!!!!! TIME FOR DINNER!!!!!!

MAMA’s SERVING CROW TONITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wheels falling off… sound pretty serious!

Win some, lose some…

Brings a new meaning to the phrase “drive it until the wheels fall off” huh?

A wheel falling off will get you killed. This is a pretty serious recall. I wonder how many people actually experienced this and lived.

Yeah, but not on a brand new car! LOL. Next time I follow a new Civic, I will leave a greater distance just in case.

Would it not be funny if humans were recalled as in: “All humans created in the year 1968 must return to their respective wombs for ankle bone alignment. Failure to do so could be cause for foot detachment.”

I did see a new Civic on the side of the road in a ditch this morning. Maybe this is why.

well, that sucks.

Take it easy greasy Unlike yourself and Commodore I dont make excuses But you should go to the GM strike thread and read the recalls that I posted there If you want I can post them here but I like to make you work for it
Oh and read the Chrysler latest Chrysler thread lol You actually thought you had me lol
Cant wait for Commi

i just read Ricardohead’s comments, WTF mate?!

I’ve said before I don’t trust Chryslers so that is no surprise.

Unlike you, I don’t claim superiority for the USA or Japan – just rough parity. Point here is that your vaulted Japanese makes have issues just like anyone else, and are near the top of the recall list too! That’s all … but tell me … do you like your crow with A1 or Billy Bubba’s BBQ Sauce?

Can anybody find an official statement from Honda that might make it more clear as to which civics are being recalled?

Some friends of mine just bought one, and it’d be nice to give them a more official heads-up.

Thanks

ouch honda, humble pie tastes like crap dont it.

wow toyota and vw won the recall race.

I know you got a hard on when you saw that and couldn’t wait to post You were the first one Hmmm???
Well lets see Honda and Toyota one year of high recalls
GM FORD CHRYSLER 20 plus years of high recalls and xxxxty reliability on top of low resale ??? Still doesn’t add up the Japanese still win
Go to the GM thread

So you do like Billy Bubba’s BBQ Sauce. I knew it. It goes well with your daddy’s trailer.

you must be from a trailer if you are talking about crows Im not eating anything and Im still correct
You really do have a hard on
lol
It still doesnt matter Bc Gm has more recalls (to stick to the subject)

Yep Honda has a financial issue associated with recall to deal with. However, they did sell almost 200K cars in less then 2 years. How many cars in this segment Ford and GM sold combined? Did anyone drive Civic before lending critique? Can one compare Civic’s engine tune with any other 4 cylinder? Civic is a sweet little car with great mileage and right for its time. Don’t forget that fully loaded it is barely breaks 20K tag.

so now 1115 wants to eat my hardon

No youll have Commodore to do that Im just here to talk cars
Rarely happnes to Honda when has that ever been said about domestics lol

This proves once and for all that Hondas are the world’s finest cars. unquestionably. We should bow down and worship the blueshirts for allowing us to buy their perfect, precision-crafted machines. What other car could possibly be mentioned in the same breath as the exaulted honda?

Your (sic) an idiotic, patriotic american hick if you would rather take a FREE domestic than pay millions for a honda, or the even more blessed A—a!

Yes, all hondas are and will always be perfect.

I’ve got an ‘06 Civic for sale on eBay. i’ll start the bidding at $70,000

1115 GIVE UP WEIRDO YOU CANT BRING 20 YEARS AGO AND USE IT AS A POINT JUST GIVE UP WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE, A RECALL IS A RECALL WE ARE TALKING THIS YEAR NOT 1987.

I’m just glad to see that Toyota / Honda buyers finally see the other side of the story.

tripleonefive -you waited for me and now im here. I’ll try not to have too much fun with this

First, I personally have never made excuses for GM – I have admitted multiple times that GM made crap IN THE PAST but that is changing now. You on the other hand insist that GM still sucks based on 20 year old incidents and you constantly say that “Honda is awesome and it doesnt do anything wrong just look on KBB” lol. GM and Ford have 20 years of high recalls? Yes they do, and the years are 1982 – 2002 bitch. As the very biased LLN article said, Honda is now 3 in recalls only behind volkswagen and Toy..what? The inferior imports have less recalls than Toyonda? You bet they do! And about the next article up talking about Chrysler recalls… stop and think about this for a moment 1115. You just put Honda in the SAME LEAGUE as chrysler by using the chrysler recalls as an excuse. So basically chrysler has the same quality as honda? Ok, I gotcha. “it still doesnt matter because GM has more recalls” – ummm, NO, they dont. And this article PROVES that.

And jonnycat basically just summed up everything ive been trying to do in the last few weeks – show people the other side of the story so that they are smarter customers and buy the best car, rather than mindlessly buying what everyone else is buying.

Can you say…oops.

When did I mention Chrysler in my post except for to say read it. They are still behind and its ONE YEAR (07) FOR ONE CAR! Meanwhile the entire lines including trucks for GM Chrysler and Ford were recalled. Still doesn’t add up and the Japanese win again and are still on top of the domestics. GM Chrysler and Ford are in the same league when it comes to building crap if thats what you meant. Nice to try and stretch and play on the words but not going to happen

When did I say that Honda was awesome and they never do anything wrong ?? Making things up again I just said that they are superior resale quality build and reliability wise.
1982-2002 PLEASE GM still leads and has more recalls (800,000 plus) I love how you conveniently overlooked the articles you requested so badly about GM recalls. It goes all the way to 2006 so dont try it
They are still making crap and this post doesn’t change anything except people will take their Civics in and have them repaired. Its not like people are going to buy Cobalts now lol Try having things be that simple at a domestic company

Its sad that even with ammunition like this post you still cant come up with a decent argument stick to the point and bow down when you are wrong

I’m disappointed in your argument and If I liked the Civic Id still buy it over anything domestic

Tripleonefive thinks 2006 AND 2007 are one year.

Of course he finally recently got to O in the alphabet, too.

‘Nuf said.

“Meanwhile the entire lines including trucks for GM Chrysler and Ford were recalled.”
Listen to yourself bro……when the **** was the entire lines of the Big 3 recalled. You’re ridiculous!! And “the Japanese are still on top”? you say this in a post that announces nearly 200,000 recalls from them and puts them in third place in recalls this year? You wouldnt know facts if they punched you in the face. GM doesnt have 800,000 recalls!! If they were, they would be in second place but they are not..and you say i make things up. And I havent conviniently overlooked ANYTHING, i am still anxious to see your evidence and if you posted the links to it in another article, then tell me which one it is so I can go back and look at them.

GM is obviously not making crap because they are not the ones that had to recall their cars – GM builds their cars so that the wheels DO NOT fall off, unlike honda. You are right, you do need to bow down because this says article basically says “Honda ****ed up and their Civic is not of perfect quality like you think it is” so you are wrong. And I dont give a **** about what GM did in 1956, this is NOW, Honda recalled 200,000 cars in 2007, GM did NOT

God i love tearing you apart

And now that Commodore just tore 1115 apart, 1115’s daddy is doing the same to 1115’s ass behind the trailer near the still.

1115, you’re talking to yourself because nobody here seems to give a crap about your biased comments. The difference in GM’s products today are like night and day compared to what they made in the 80’s and 90’s. Give GM, and the other domestic brands, some credit for trying their asses off to improve their products. I have a 1989 Accord with 150,000 miles and it’s running great having no major problems so far. However, I also have a 1992 Chevy full-size pickup with around 160,000 miles that has NEVER had ANY driveability problems whatsoever. Its 5.7L V8 still runs as good as new with no signs of giving up. Even the apparently problem plagued 4L60 transmission shifts as smooth as ever. My Honda has needed more suspension alignments than my Chevy despite the truck’s much heavier weight.

You people also have to remember that there weren’t NEARLY as many imports compared to domestics on the road back in the 80’s and 90’s as there are today, which didn’t help the American’s place in the recall list either.

ROFL Ricardo!

I am so tired have to stop going to ukraine every second week helping my soon to be son-inlaw imagrate. dam i thought i would never have to go threw that again.

Anyways this is very serious it is kind of like japan war plane the zero it just fell apart in sky. I my self like American car, i have a 2006 Cadillac CTS-V and it is great car although havent used it much because of going to ukraine all the time. another thing when i was young and first can to north America i owned a 1981 camaro Z28 and it was quite fun car. i never had problems with it, in fact i sold it just befor the start of summer to buy my CTS and i sold it for $14,500 and bought it for about $3500 in 1990 so i would say it may just depend on what modle of car you buy. but i am just some Ukraine imagate what do i know.

Also to jackjim my old internet freind were is everyone else like deanster, and others, i can’t really remember who they were. it has been to long.

Commodore and RicardoHead’s comments are great to read.

C6Racer, you make some good points. Likewise, my previous vehicle, a ‘98 Chevy Tahoe 4×4, had ZERO problems despite being driven heavily off-road up in the California mountains. Loved that truck. My current (and anxiously ready to be traded-in) Acura RSX Type-S has been fairly reliable, but not trouble-free. In fact, the latest problem, the A/C, will cost $1,200 to repair. On the bright side, the wheels haven’t fallen off yet.

Also, i wonder what the ratio of vehicles sold to vehicles recalled is for each manufacturer? That would seem to be a better indicator than raw totals. I fear, however, Honda would fair even worse in that comparison.

Could you imagine even just four or five years ago hearing who would make the top 3 most recalled (defective) list for 2007? AND, the unbelievable fact that “Toyota had more recalls in 2007 than all of the domestic automakers combined”!

Okay 1115, I’m ready for your delusional comeback. And by the way, your joke about that guy’s dad being dead in your other post really sucked.

GMC your father must be dead too. Check my article he could have died in a GM truck I’m happy that you have an opportunity to try and down the Japanese for recalls when the domestics (GM in particular) have MAJOR recalls on a normal basis Its so normal for domestics to have recalls its expected when Honda and Toyota do it its rare (Pedro look that up since you try so hard with the cheap shots)
GMC since we are picking on cars my cousin has a GMC Yukon the short one and it’s been in and out of the shop numerous times for things like the 4wd and the alternator/electric
Commi still ignores the links that I sent in three different threads BC he needs more time to come up with an excuse. Hopefully Pedro C6 and the other patriotic Americans who just buy cuz they are American will help him out. Notice how he denies what was said then asks where to find it
As far as the wheels falling off read the links the GM truck have that problem and it’s for more than 183k its 800k
What’s the civic s comp (size wise not sales or resale reliability wise) Hmm the Cobalt Look at the link I sent and you can see how the Cobalt faired last year IN 2006

The Japanese are still on top and sure auto makers have had more recalls and you are all getting so excited about the Civic BC it rarely happens just like the article said
You haven’t torn anything apart except maybe your computer BC you still cant prove you BS point lol

Didnt this happen too bentley aswell?

1115 most of us here have an import and a domestic so nobody is being completely 1 sided, its just that having a domestic also we know that mediocer interior quality doesnt automatically mean the the vehicle runs like crap or breaks down (remember when you talk about truck recalls what is worse a bad camshaft and ball joints from toyota or gm`s recall for the cable on the tailgate on the truck line you mentioned). but i hope even you can admit that the wheels falling off of the second best selling passenger car in america is a terrible thing. but to be fair and unbiased hondas are engineered great and this is uncharacteristic of them and like bentley its just a bad vender supplied part (also the leading recall problem for all/any car maker)

This is unfair attack on one guy by the rest of the mob. 1115 has a valid point that japanese car manufacturers, who manufacture 70-80% of the cars sold in US build, designed in US have better resale because their overall quality is better. MY body had a lemon Tundra (transmission and there were quite a few of those), I had to take my parents Accura TL to dealer to replace 5speed auto (big disaster for Accura), I had a lemon Camry and even worse lemon Pontiac 6000 and swore to myself to shy away from both of those manufacturers. I do enjoy Pontiac Vibe made by Toyota in CA plant. The same plant that cooks Corollas.
However, 1115 is right that quality and perception of quality by japanese far ahead of “domestic”. Most of domestic actually manufacture most of their crop in Mexico and Canada and whatever is put together statewide is of foreign (Mexico, China, Brazil and Canada) components. I recall that even in 80-90’s LTD was considered a foreign car (before NATE).
the bottom line: perhaps GM vehicles manufactured in Canada are getting better, and by most accounts they are. However, remember the days when Consumer Report declared Passat winner over Camcord and ate crow 2 years later. Give those cars couple of years in hands of consumers and collect some data. Meanwhile, the bad news for domestics: japanese are not waiting for them. They indeed moving ahead. Honda will come out with a diesel in a tear or two and 3 years ago they did not know how to spell the word. That was about the same time all 3 were whining in front of DC that they could not meet green house restrictions and CAFE restrictions. Well Honda is ahead of all those requirements voluntarily.
The moral for domestics: We saw the enemy and it is us.

Dammit autonut, and and others who think so, just because a car is built in a different country doesn’t mean it will have more problems! Look at Toyota. It moves it’s truck production into the U.S. and all of a sudden they’re at the top of the recall list. And as for meeting emissions regulations, the past is the past. The new 2008 Dodge Cummins Diesel has meet 2010 regulations. That’s almost three years early since they are currently on sale in the U.S.
Like I said in another thread, my family has ALWAYS had better luck with GM products that were built in Mexico than the products built here, in the U.S.

oops, I meant to put “and all others who think so” not “and and others”

WHAT ARTICLES 1115?? You haven’t posted ****. I went back to every comment up to the VW Camry-fighter article and you havent posted anything except your own ignorant comments and opinions. YOU HAVENT BACKED YOURSELF UP AT ALL.

And how many times do I have to say that the past does NOT matter because if I am shopping for a car today, what do I care more about – nearly 750,000 combined recalls by Honda and Toyota THIS YEAR, or 800,000 recalls (that you havent proven) by GM YEARS AGO. Of course I care about the current recall situation and Toyonda are both LEADERS in recalls, NOT GM. What is even more troubling is that GM and Toyota sell about the same number of vehicles, but Toyota has recalled FIVE TIMES as many vehicles back this year as GM has. This is where morons like you should draw the line between REAL and PERCEIVED quality. Japan is PERCEIVED to have good quality because of cars they built in the 90s and GM is perceived bad because of their 90s products. I understand that it takes people time to change their opinions, but you are one stubborn son of a bitch. Fortunately, you are just one person (Veda and sunshine are some other ones) so I dont care about you. Everyone else is slowly starting to change their minds and realizing that Toyonda are no longer quality leaders.

I think C6Racer and I are the only true Americans here.

Hey 1115, since you are so fixated on what happened a long time ago, do you still call your mom a slut because she pulled a one-night train of 47 guys in a row in the mid 1990s while trying out for the Miss Appalachia contest 9 months to the day before you were born.

Because according to you: once a slut, always a slut.
It’s pretty much the same logic you apply to GM.

Hey Pedro
You have to come with better jokes Really was that supposed to spark me ?

Oh, so it is not a surprise to you that your madre pulled a 47 guy train.

No surprise to the rest of us either.

Commo,
Still trying to dodge and avoid the articles.
You say you didn’t read my article, then you had no choice but to acknowledge the article. The articles goes all the way to 2006 so don’t try that “years ago” bull****.
Read ALL the articles posted and Ill also post the Lucerne DTS recalls article. Don’t pretend that you don’t know which thread to look for them in because you post in almost every thread that I post in.

You are harping on one year (2007) when GM has MAJOR recalls every year. You are still trying to work on a way to spin this Honda Civic recall in your favor and you still are failing bc for every Honda that get recalled (which is extremely rare) there are more GMs.
Picking the articles that you want to read and then thinking of a way to spin them isn’t going to win your argument. Technically nothing will anyway and I think you realize that. Face it you are still wrong

Preferring American bc they are American is wrong! It’s not the Japanese companies fault they make better cars. GM and the domestics have to step up to the plate and that’s not happening anytime soon. The Aura the CTS and the Malibu don’t cut it
Classic

Keep trying Ricardo. Work on the structure so its funny next time

1115 is on youtube … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

THERE ARE NO ARTICLES!!!! Post them here, right now. You are a liar, you say you have posted something but I haven’t been able to find anything. Just repost them here. Look how Ricardo gave a link to you on youtube – do that, give a link to your articles in your next comment. I have looked for them, and I am not gonna go through hundreds of articles to find them. POST THEM HERE, IN THIS THREAD.

GM has NOT had major recalls every year, especially not this year. Working to spin the Honda recall in my favor? I don’t need to work to spin it, it IS IN MY FAVOR. IT SUPPORTS MY CORE ARGUMENT THAT IMPORTS ARE NOT THE QUALITY LEADERS YOU CLAIM THEY ARE. For the last time, I don’t prefer American because its American. I DRIVE A BMW FOR GOD’S SAKE. I BUY THE BEST CAR. You prefer Jap because its Jap. They do not make any better cars than our own american companies.

REMEMBER TO POST YOUR ARTICLES HERE (and sorry for all the CAPS guys, I just need 1115 to see the important things so he stops repeating arguments that I have already rebutted)

One year does not erase 20 plus years of inferior quality from the domestics
Its a numbers game and harp on 07 but look at the last 5 years for GM(for multiple vehicles not one )
I cant believe that you are too lazy to check another thread that you posted in or scroll up on this one
Still buying time huh ?

So did Honda wait until 182,756 Civics lost their wheel before issuing this recall?

I SEE NO LINKS IN YOUR LAST COMMENT

What you think I’m gonna go out and TRY to prove to myself that GM is worthless. Haha, no thanks – besides, that’s impossible. I know a lot about the auto industry and GM is definetely not worthless so I do NOT think its POSSIBLE to be proven and I’m certainly not gonna waste MY time to trying to prove YOUR side of the debate..I’ve already proven mine.

I scrolled up in this thread and there is only one link – the one RIcardo posted of you on youtube. There are no links posted by you whatsoever and there are NONE anywhere else.

So POST THEM. Otherwise, I’ll ask you for them every time you spew your anti-american automakers ignorant propaganda.

Mach – basically. Honda and Toyota are very concerned about losing their quality reputations so often it takes several serious accidents or even deaths before they issue a recall that they know will damage their reputation.

I HOPE THEY MAKE SOME MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.

LOL scroll up in the thread. Its in this thread already. You dont want to bc you dont want to be proven wrong . It was 2 million GM s recalled btw I made a mistake even when Im wrong Im still right like I said before The evidence is there Ignore it if you must but your point can be proven anyway so you should give up anyway
Mach no they dont wait until cars catch on fire or wheels fly off they get it before they kill people unlike domestic car co’s

I’m ignoring it? I’ve been looking for it everywhere.

You don’t have anything – if you did, you would have posted it in your last comment, but you don’t. Instead, you tell me to scroll up and go there when there is NOTHING there. And believe me, if you actually posted a link I would NOT ignore it.

EVERYBODY ELSE – do you see any links in this thread posted by tripleonefive??

Still buying time All you have to do is scroll up in this thread! You are so obvious lol

1115, where are the links? In a typical propagandist’s tactic, you believe repeating something enough somehow lends credibility to the claim. What was the definition of propaganda again? I will gladly repost if you’ve forgotten.

The only link in this thread is to 1115 mouthing off on SpewTube.

See 1115 – GMCyclone and Ricardo both can’t find any links.

Wait, do you know what “LINKS” are? You seem to be pretty retarded so maybe you don’t know. They are the things that you click on and they take you to another page on the internet, highlighted in blue, like the YouTube link of you that Ricardo posted.

Dude, serious post the links if you have any or admit that you don’t. You are really NOT helping your argument when you are saying you have proof when you clearly don’t. And you say you posted links when you didn’t – it makes you really untrustworthy

Buying more and more time Scroll up Sept 14th 6:05pm Its the 25th post Dont give that **** about not seeing it now
Its the post right before you posted on here !
stop the bull****
Looking for GMC and Pedro’s help lol

LMFAO

HAHAHA fukin dumbass. There is no post at 6:05 PM on sep.14

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I’m just glad to see that Toyota / Honda buyers finally see the other side of the story.
Comment by jonnycat, posted on September14 at 5:27 pm
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tripleonefive -you waited for me and now im here. I’ll try not to have too much fun with this

First, I personally have never made excuses for GM – I have admitted multiple times that GM made crap IN THE PAST but that is changing now. You on the other hand insist that GM still sucks based on 20 year old incidents and you constantly say that “Honda is awesome and it doesnt do anything wrong just look on KBB” lol. GM and Ford have 20 years of high recalls? Yes they do, and the years are 1982 – 2002 bitch. As the very biased LLN article said, Honda is now 3 in recalls only behind volkswagen and Toy..what? The inferior imports have less recalls than Toyonda? You bet they do! And about the next article up talking about Chrysler recalls… stop and think about this for a moment 1115. You just put Honda in the SAME LEAGUE as chrysler by using the chrysler recalls as an excuse. So basically chrysler has the same quality as honda? Ok, I gotcha. “it still doesnt matter because GM has more recalls” – ummm, NO, they dont. And this article PROVES that.

And jonnycat basically just summed up everything ive been trying to do in the last few weeks – show people the other side of the story so that they are smarter customers and buy the best car, rather than mindlessly buying what everyone else is buying.
Comment by Commodore, posted on September14 at 6:36 pm
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Why can’t you just post it on here?? BECAUSE YOU DON’T HAVE SHIIIT!

Yes, we (4 of us now) are very curious. We can’t wait to be convinced that “GM is inferior”

I think it is you trying to buy time – probably writing some article on Wikipedia about how the Japs are superior when really they are not any better than Americans

Make that 5 of us, i am also curious. tripleone you should not make up things. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you’d had enough oxygen at birth? and don’t you try and turn it around on me because my english is bad i could put every in ukrainian for you

Сделайте это 5 из нас, я также любопытен. tripleone Вы не должны составить вещи. Вы когда-либо задаетесь вопросом, на что походила бы жизнь, если Вы имели достаточно кислорода при рождении? и не делайте Вы пробуете и переворачиваете это на мне, потому что мой английский язык плох, я мог поместить каждый в украинский язык для Вас

Well 5 imbeciles is a much better number then 1. Look in the link in the current article with Honda recall: 14 most recalled models in the U.S. Suzuki is selling GM Daewoo division cars (Suzuki does not manufactured cars in 2006), Aveo and DMC Acadia all GM products of GM factories. The total is over 100K vehicles. It is only for one year. Honda recalled 183K for 2006 & 2007. When recall numbers for 2007 will be available then we can accurately state who is a true champion of “crappiness”, right now it WV stands as a champion of champions with their plant in Mexico.
C6Racer regarding Cummings diesel: it is Cummings – relationship to Chrysler, beyond that it is part supplier. Cummings has been diesels for decades. And they are good large
displacement diesels; smallest one is for Dodge trucks applications. In difference to Honda which never build diesel until 2005 or 2006. In addition, Honda diesel about half of Cummings size and there definitely challenges of precision in building large diesel engine vs. tiny one. The one build by Honda just been named the best engine of the year in Europe (wooped Benz, Opel, BMW, Puegot and Reno who’ve been building small engines for decades).

RicardoHead, I’ve read your women degrading comments, insult to other folks mothers, offer for other MAN to accommodate your sexual desires: boy come out of the closet and start reading GQ! You’ll be happier individual when you discover your alternative sexual preference and stop hiding it behind post on “manly” forums. Move to Village in NYC or to San Francisco: discos are full of your type.

Its funny that 5 dolts couldn’t scroll up in the thread

То не украинско. То русско. Спасибо так или иначе, оно funny. Вы печатаете на машинке наилучшим образом для мертвого человека.
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And autonut, if you’re going to call people imbeciles, then at least please learn how to spell.

And now that we know autonut and 1115 were each other’s sperm toilets on a Saturday night after they fail their mercy missions, we can go back to making fair comments about the fact that Toyota and Honda are not building cars better that GM and Ford anymore.

Going by 1115’s bad mood, I guess autonut made him swallow.

I think it rather unfair to predict the end of Honda and Toyota quality due to some recalls, especially in this case where the culprit is a part that was outsourced by Honda, not necessarily faulty engineering on their part.

Furthermore, I fully acknowledge GMs improved quality. However, the true test is going to be how well they perform over the next decade. Honda and Toyota built their reputations up over an extended period of time because they have cars that would not die (look at the number of early 90’s accords and civics still on the road). In the same way, it is going to take several years for GM to regain peoples trust. People arent going to start trusting GM again until the majority of their cars are doing the same thing Hondas and Toyotas have been doing for years.

Furthermore, from what I’ve read, both Honda and Toyota have admitted that the rapid growth their companies have undergone the past several years has affected quality. They’ve also said that correcting this is top priority.

So in short, you are not going to convince 1115 that GMs are quality for another 5 years…until they prove they are. And no one is going to convince 1115 that Japanese cars are heading to the toilet until, 5 years from now, when they start being crap (which I don’t believe will happen). So lets move on to a new topic…you all have beaten this dead horse enough.

Cyclone of Red
the true test is going to be how well they perform over the next decade. Honda and Toyota built their reputations up over an extended period of time because they have cars that would not die (look at the number of early 90’s accords and civics still on the road). In the same way, it is going to take several years for GM to regain peoples trust. People aren’t going to start trusting GM again until the majority of their cars are doing the same thing Honda’s and Toyota’s have been doing for years.

EXACTLY THANK YOU !
Keep trying Pedro

RicardoHead, I figured you out! You are an Armenian! You obviously can’t contain yourself from alternative sex remarks; your Russian is full of errors. Perhaps there is an Armenian blood in you. For the rest of the forum: Armenians are known in Europe to be both being fragrant homosexuals and trans-species crossovers (sheep, goats, primarily small domestic animals).

tripleonefive don’t fall into personal insults temptation: you can’t win argument that way. I can assure that RicardoHead is not a mail order bride: those usually have better language skills and slightly higher IQ. He is a victim of his environment: slave mentality, chronic alcoholism which transcended generations and had ill affects on current generation with possible pollination from Chernobyl disaster. As a result sexual mutation and violent tendencies accompanied by inability to have a civil conversation or argument. Forgive and forget: you’ll be a better man for this.

Yes autonut i can se that he has mistake but it is hard to go from english to russian. also he wrote in Russian and i wrote in ukrainian but it is still almost same. like peter in russian is petrov but in ukraine it is petriv. Russian is a low pich sould but ukrainina is a little bit high baced on latin and italian, russian is just based on latin. and there are three vertions of john yuri, ivan ,yohon,

good to see that tripleonefivereasonstokillyourself still has his ass thoroughly stuck up his ass…

I’m so very happy to see this recall.. it’s just another bit of proof that jap-cars aren’t the be-all, end-all of the auto industry.

I still don’t understand why anyone pays this douche bag any attention… this is the same person who thinks an acura is a top-not luxury car… please.

Let him post his asinine comments and just ignore him… maybe, just maybe he’ll go find another site to spew his **** on…

autnutt – TALK ABUT SPINNING THE TRUTH….since WHEN is Suzuki a General Motors brand? That article that LLN LINKED TO (not tripleonefive so I’m still waiting for YOUR “evidence”)

GM recalled some korean-built Aveo’s and their new Lambda’s for a pretty minor problem. Combined, those totaled 30,000 recalls so far. So don’t try to stick Suzuki’s to that total – GM cannot be blamed for their quality lapses.

On the other hand, when that list is updated, Honda would have the 3rd most recalled car after Toyota and VW. IT’S THAT SIMPLE. And when Honda is added to that list, Ford will have NO more vehicles on there (their Expedition would be #15).

And stooping to another new low I see with the Ukranian bride bull****. How do you know so much about it by the way? Have you been looking at the sites so you can get one?

Good points Cyclone, but what – am supposed to wait 10 years before I ever consider a GM vehicle again? That is fine if you want to do that, but their warranty coverage combined with their low recalls, and high quality ratings (from JD Power, Car&Driver, even Consumer Reports) is enough for me to give them a chance. However, 1115, you are still making empty claims that you are not backing up. I don’t understand why can’t you just post (or repost) the links you claim you have in your NEXT comment. It would take you 2 seconds to do that. But the truth is, you don’t have any reliable source that supports your claims so STOP MAKING FALSE CLAIMS. I am sure that Cyclone would agree that GM products are not inferior. Neither are Japanese products. They have all come to be on about the same level

LEAVE 1115 ALONE!!!!!

Czech porn frikkin rocks. Hot nasty chicks with no morals whatsoever.

God Save the Soviet Union!

LEAVE 1115 ALONE!!!!!
Comment by 55amg, posted on September16 at 2:22 pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

Commodore of the sunken fleet, Suzuki per agreement with GM sells Daewoo made cars. Or it was attempting to sell – not many buyers. Since Daewoo is fully owned subsidiary of GM, Suzuki was selling GM cars, that were recalled. There was enough articles in the press regarding Suzuki-GM discussions/rift on the subject. Commodore from the bathtub nobody owes you an explanation, but I just explain of relationship between GM and Suzuki. As far as evidence concerned, shortly after Honda announcement, Chrysler recalled roughly quarter of million vehicles.
Or yes about marvels of Ford recalls. Those were not voluntary but after intervention of congress. During Firestone fiasco Ford did not rush to investigate problem and recall it fleet of SUV’s it let quite a few citizen kill themselves in accidents. Later there was typical blaming game.
It did not happen last year, therefore it is not in statistics you are reading.

wow, can bitchfight get any more childish/further? this is the internet dammit! I hope Honda doesn’t end up with the most recalls unlike toyota, etc. I find GMs new products going into a good direction as long as they keep it that way. out of the big 3, GM will probably be the only domestic auto company to survive the **** theyve been thru.

Its so funny that you are still ignoring my posts lol

Thanks, but I think I know that GM owns Daewoo and a portion of Suzuki,

http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/mar2006/bw20060307_900404.htm

GM owns such a small percentage of Suzuki though, 3%, that you simply cannot stick the Suzuki recall numbers onto the total GM recall numbers. If it was one of GM whole-owned subsidiaries like Saturn or even a majority-stake subsidiary like Daewoo, then it would be okay to pin those companies’ numbers on GM. However, in Suzuki’s case – GM owns only 3% of it now so Suzuki is definitely ITS OWN company responsible for ITS OWN recalls. Kirk Kirkorean owned almost 10% of GM at one point. So what do you do then, list GM’s numbers under “Kirk Kirkorean” on the recall list?

And yes, Chrysler has bad quality – never argued otherwise. So congratulations, you just placed Honda and Chrysler in the same boat. I am sure Honda has been dreaming for a very long time to get to Chrysler’s level of quality and now they have! Congrats.

BIGGEST SHOCKER: Did you know that Firestone, the company to blame in the Ford SUV “fiasco” is a JAPANESE company? And lastly, whatever part of that incident was Ford’s fault – they should take responsibility for it. However, it happened in the 90s if I remember correctly. I believe Ford’s quality has improved since then (not as much as GM’s). But please don’t talk to me about Big 3’s quality shortcomings from 1965 – it is irrelevant since our debate is (among many things) about if the Jap Big 3 still have better quality than America or if these recalls by Honda are just one of many signs that Japan has lower quality (and also that the lack of recalls by the Big 2 is a sign of their improved quality)

Its so funny that you are still talking about links that you have posted when you havent posted any. even when I say “ok, post them again in your next comment” you refuse to do it because you dont have anything yet you continue to pretend that you do after 5 people searched this whole thread and didnt find ANY links lol

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0509/02/E01-298706.htm

YES FINALLY!! 1115 has finally posted something that seems to back him up. I am so proud of you I kind of feel bad discrediting you. Here is the problem with it:

1. Yes, you proved that GM recalled 800,000 vehicles BUT:
2. The article itself is outdated (its from 2005) and it effects trucks GM manufactured between 1999-2002. Both of those things put this incident into “the past doesn’t matter” category that we’ve been talking about.
3. Don’t get me wrong, a company’s track record like you have been talking about DOES matter, but in the case of cars and trucks such as these old GM products and crap like the Pontiac Aztec that GM made in the past is irrelevant to our argument. I have never said that GM has only made good cars. In fact, I agree with you that they didn’t which is why I bought a BMW. My argument is that GM’s quality has improved and is now just as good as Japan’s when it comes to GM’s newest products. The trucks mentioned in this recall are the earliest GMT-800s from more than 5 years ago! Let’s look at GM’s new, GMT-900 trucks. Do the new Silverado and Sierra have any major issues? Not that I’m aware of. And Toyota’s NEW Tundra? Her old, fragile camshafts tend to go snap snap.
4. This is more of a minor problem (and it only affects trucks operating in the northernmost states) compared to wheels falling off.

In closing – did GM make bad cars in the past? ABSOLUTELY. In fact, I think most cars made before 2005 (when they lost more than $10 BBBilion) was pretty crappy. Hyundai had a turnaround car – the Sonata. Everything after it was progressively better and better. GM’s turnaround car IMO is the G6. It’s not great, but it showed effort and it was the first of many cars that got better and better. So is GM still making bad cars? NO! Is Toyota? I don’t think so, but their cars lately have not been as good quality-wise. I just wish all these recalls of Civics, and Toy SUVs, and Camry’s, and so on would lift the “Japan’s carmakers are the only ones that can make a decent car” spell off of you.

(Keep the links coming, you still have a lot of claims you’ve made that you’ve not backed up).

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2006/chevrolet/corvette/recalls/

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2006/chevrolet/cobalt/recalls/

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/02/10/028326.html

http://www.automotive.com/2006/49/buick/lucerne/recalls/18852.html

Mark Rechtin
Automotive News
May 28, 2007 – 1:00 am

LOS ANGELES — A batch of camshaft failures in 5.7-liter V-8 engines has dinged the launch of the Toyota Tundra pickup.

Camshafts in 20 engines have snapped, says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. The outside camshaft supplier, which Toyota declined to identify, has traced the problem to “a metallurgical defect in the casting, a flaw in the metal which they have corrected,” he says.

To date, Toyota has built 30,000 of the engines, and the company is determining how many might be affected. Michels says that it was “an early batch,” and that “Toyota is confident in the production from that point on.”

Full article: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl…..;/70525073/1128

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/problems-dealer-service/33440-engine-bay-body-rips.html

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070207/AUTO01/702070349/1148

Oh yea loss of control and longer stop distances is minor and its only on 804,000 vehicles
Also I forgot you said that GM just started making good cars yesterday

engine sludge? are you f-cking serious lol

As for your articles – the Corvette and the Lucerne recalls are both last-year’s news and are pretty minor issues that aren’t life threatening or nearly as bad as wheels falling off, frame cracking open, or camshafts snapping.

The 2005 recall falls in that OLD category and involves none of the new products GM has come out with after they’ve gotten themselves together (which was when the yearly report for 2005 came in). Lastly, the Cobalt recall did not make me happy, but fortunately the Cobalt is one of those cars that have been around unchanged for some time now, and is not part of GM’s “good”, 2006+ products in my opinion.

Everything aside: From the slew of things we just posted about “our” companies, can’t you see that the quality gap between GM and its Japanese rivals has pretty much been closed?

Your FJ post is a forum PLEASE!

No not yesterday, about a year ago. Do you want me to give you a list of the “good” cars? Let’s not bother with that – instead, I’ll just say that the only “good” cars that have been recalled are the Lambdas and for a minor problem. Recalls happen, the minor ones I’m not as worried about as the ones with wheels falling off and sht.

And yes, engine sludge – 3.5 million cars. That wasn’t about recalls, about finding out your ultra high-quality Lexus HAS PROBLEMS.

My FJ post is from a FJ CRUISER FAN forum, Those are the very people that are in bed with Toyota.. and besides, there are PICTURES to prove it

Yea safety equipment is minor i agree (lol) 2 million recalled in 2002-2005 (The civic would have to be recalled 10 times to equal that) on top of the Vettes top flying off and the Cobalts frame and safety issues The reigning champion of the recalls ……………………………GM
The gap is still far far away and your FJ post is bull**** whether its a fan forum ITS STILL A FORUM ! I’ll take pics of a car I crashed and say it was Toyota’s fault. The engine sludge was bs too GEEZ
I noticed your tone is even different bc you know you posted bs and my recalls were better PLEASE you lost Stop it seriously
F-cking engine sludge OH GOD

The Forum post have actual evidence of the lack of quality. And that fact that its a fan forum gives it as much credibility as toyota dot com.

The reigning champion? When, in 1982? ITS ****ING 2007. And the Japs have recalled, what, 26 times more cars this year than GM has. What’s more convincing of quality (or lack thereof) – 2 million recalled 3 years ago or 3.5 million TODAY.

We live in 2007, we are not debating quality of cars in 2002 – you don’t need to convince me to buy a toy over a gm in 2002, I would IF it was 2002!! But I can’t because its 5 years later. Now get your head out of your ass (and out of the past) and stop trying to create pathetic excuses for Toy like “that was bs too GEEZ” and “PLEASE” and “OH GOD” – those aren’t even excuses.

I still want your comment on this: http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

THIS YEAR is the key phrase . You keep trying to go back to the earliest year when the recall ended in 2005 models. The Vette and its baby brother (which was their campaign for that POS ) are 2006 models.
So they just started making good cars in the last 8 months?? Just let me know exactly when GM started making good cars last month ? April? When? and how have they proven that they are quality ?? You are so desperate you are going into fan forums and trying to pass them off as if they are Toyota sites. 2 MILLION CARS IN ONE RECALL Thats the same lame ass post you had before When the Domestics (GM in particular ) prove their reliability and stop recalling 2 million plus cars then I may meet you halfway on your “argument “

Since you don’t seem to be very educated on auto-related topics, let me explain to you the difference between a regular year (like this year is 2007) and a MY (Model Year). Actually, I think you should be able to explain it to yourself – consider the fact that RIGHT NOW you can go to a dealership and buy a 2008 vehicles even though its 2007!!! AMAZING, isn’t it?

And how else do you want them to prove their quality? GM’s “good” cars that I have mentioned have not been recalled (except for the Lambdas) so that is a testament for reliability. And don’t say that doesn’t mean anything because it’s only been a year because these Honda Civics have only been out for about a year also and yet they are getting recalled by the 100,000s (just like GM’s “bad” cars were recalled in 2002 and 1999 and 1987 and whatever other recall info you cited).

GM – no recalls on their new products; confirms reliability
Toyonda – lots of RECENT recalls; puts quality reputation in question

And respond to that article I specifically asked you to respond to last time.
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

Jesus ****, 105 posts for what? All you idiots are doing is posting links to other sites. Enough already, this has become unreadable. MOve on.

to be short: Commodore is right, 1115 is wrong.

Tripleonefive, it’s good you have a flexible fast food schedule in order to constantly be on this website. Do you have anything else to do except throw around unproven facts. Perhaps I could suggest getting a job in the automotive industry as you are so knowledgabe about all that is automotive.
I bet your 1995 Honda Accord is one sweet ride. My instinct tells me you do not live in the U.S.A as most normal citizens, unless they are miserable would not berate the country that they live in. That is why you find it funny to belittle those whom show patriotism bacuse you do not live in the U.S.A. If domestics make you so upset then why even read the domestic car stories on this website you close minded fool. You are no different then that other idiot GMsales. The biggest difference is he is just being funny you on the other hand actually believes what you are saying. Retard. You make the LamborginiZ look like he’s wrapped in the flag.

who gives a rats ass, recalls happen to everything that has ever been manufactured regardles of what it is or where it is made.
Tripleonefive is an automotive genius.

Deanster you actually have a point there, but I’ve listen to idiots like tripleonefive bash their own auto industry for a long time now even when GM and [some of] the rest are doing good they just don’t shut up.

lamboz – yes recalls happen, and my point here is that Toyota and GM both recall their vehicles. Toyota more so than GM than lately so that means, regardless of the past, that Toy quality is down and GM is up. Not that Toy is bad, just that the two automakers are at about the same level

The bottom line is Luca doesn’t know WTF he is talking about
1987-2002 when the articles I cited were up to 2005 and 2006 lol You can have all the idiots back you up but the articles are there and they are fact unlike your fan forum and your engine sludge post. GM still has recalled more cars and they have the burden of proof for reliability. GM and the domestics have to prove their reliability. Despite the recalls Honda and Toyota are still the superior higher quality vehicles.

god damn idiots, honda bought bad bewarings, its a vendor suppleid part failure, the biggest cause of recalls, again vendor suppleid part.

bearings, sorry im just had surgery to pin my good hand back together.

It would take a week to digest everything here. My take on recalls:

Domestic v. foreign. If I were to read everything tripleonfive and Commodore have posted, and all of their links, I’m not sure there’s an answer as to whether domestics or imports have fared better over the years. LLN’s original article is dangerous, though, because it talks about absolute numbers of recalled vehicles. I’m more interested in how many recalls per model or per model year, or what percentage. As I think autonut, and others noted or suggested, the more cars you sell, the more likely you are to have a recalled vehicle.

Also, I read the top 14 list article linked by the LLN article above. The number one recalled vehicle for 2007 was the VW Beetle at 1 million+, but over THREE MILLION Fords were recalled in 2007, but weren’t counted because they weren’t 2007 model year cars. So the article that started off this whole discussion has a lot to be desired.

Finally, recalls are an inevitable consequence of mass production. Period. They must be taken with a grain of salt. That’s not to say they’re not serious, they are, which is why most recalls occur without a headlining lawsuit. I’m more skeptical of a car company that has recalls of lower-volume vehicles, such as Ford with the GT.

But if your favorite automaker goes 10 years without a single recall, I am as likely to praise that car company for good quality as I would be suspicious of it for covering up potential defects.

1115

Your recalls are OLD. Do they prove that GM had quality issues in the past? YES, AND I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT. The fact that GM had recalls in the past cannot be used to support your opinion that they are “still” inferior. It could’ve have been used, but the lack of recalls by GM go directly against what you are saying. On the contrary, the recent JUMP in recalls by Toyonda indicate a decline in quality. You still continue to ignore this…..
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

Scarface – I am not saying that GM is BETTER than the Japs. I am saying that they are pretty much EQUAL at this point. I am trying to say that people should stop being ignorant and buying cars based on whether they have a US or Jap badge – buy cars based on which is better. New Accord or Impala? New Accord. Saturn Vue or Toy RAV4? Saturn Vue. Or if you disagree with those – base your decision on preference, not on the badge.

GM would never ever have such a recall. Everyone knows only flawless cars and trucks ever come out of General Motors.

R-Head: Monica Sweethearts.

Your (sic) all morons. Hondas are uniformly perfect. No honda has ever broken down, even once. Sheer perfection, each and every time. I suspect they’re actually made by God.

There is nothing of any kind — not even a maytag washer — that comes close to the unsurpassable quality of a honda. it should cost $1 just to say the word “Honda,” they’re so perfect

Yea Commodore 2006 is OLD
I still cant believe that bc GM made three halfway decent cars that they are equal to Japanese Ive heard to wishful thinking but ridiculous thinking is another thing
That post is as bogus as your sludge post

****IN RETARD. 2006 IS old in the sense that we are talking about it. 2006 model year cars were made in mid-2005 or before. My argument is that after GM’s big loss in 2005, they started making better and better cars. It takes time to make a new car, its not just a 1 day process. The fruits of their labor from 2005 are starting to be seen today for the first time.

FOR THE FOURTH TIME, ANSWER THIS:

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

It wouldnt matter to you if Honda and Toyota recalled 5 cars You would say “Hey that means that the Japanese cars are equal to the americans. 2006 was last year You tried to ignore the articles and say they were from 2002 blh bl;ah blah That didnt work so GM just started making good cars on June 15th 2007 at 1:45 am Those Gms are good and even though they havent stood the test of time like the Japanese cars they are about equal. Good old patriotic math. It must be that new math you are talking about
Lets see 20 plus years of crap recalls changed names low resale and ****ty reliability vs Solid rep for reliability names you can trust low recalls high resale and the best selling cars in the US
Hmm and you say Gm is about equal Your math skills worry me

No, 5 cars isnt an indication of lowered quality. Neither is 100 cars. Or even 1000 cars. 10,000 cars still isnt that many considering the nearly 10 million cars a year that these manufacturers make. and 2002 IS old when it you consider exactly what we are talking about. Stop trying to make it about patriotism. I think that even you should know by now that I am not some retard that goes around and checks for the “made in the USA” label before I buy something. I BUY THE BEST PRODUCT.

For the FIFTH time, look at this and respond to it. This is what ignoring is – not saying anything in response to my link.

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

Thats the same lame ass article you posted beforeYour article is bull**** just like posting how people have complaints about sl;udge in their cars due to non maintenance
So what they are taking more time to ensure a quality product. In 2005 Toyota had problems with their trucks but GM had to recall 2 million vehicles. Oh wait 2005 was years ago
The article and your argument are bull

GM is far beneath Toyota and the big Japanese companies and it will take 10-15 of solid performance to convince myself & the American public that they are equal

Who cares about GM, Toyota, Mercedes, Bentley, Alfa, Ferrari, etc.

There’s nothing that can be remotely compared to the most sacred car of all … the Honda. Sheer beauty, sheer perfection. Just breathing the name fills me up with a light and airy feeling. Absolute divine automotive perfection that will never be matched, until there’s another Honda to replace the existing perfect one.

I’m going to nod off and dream about Del Sols and CVCCs prancing through the wilderness like perfect little bunny rabbits

10-15 years to convince you? Probably. The American public? I’d like to think that they are not nearly as stubborn and ignorant of the facts as you are.

CALLING MY ARGUMENTS BULL WON’T HELP YOU PROVE YOUR POINT. In fact, the fact that you don’t have anything to say about them except that they are “bull” shows that you are wrong.

Even LLN said “Toyota had more recalls in 2007 than all of the domestic automakers combined.” Does that sound like a quality-leader to you??

Calling my articles BULL won’t get us anywhere. I can call your articles bull too. Autoweek is VERY respected and this quote from that article is not even written by Autoweek:

“But those measures have lowered the quality of Toyota vehicles, engineers and executives acknowledge. ”

As you can see, Toy’s own people admit the quality slip yet you, their biggest fan, won’t.

I don’t have to prove anything to you. Toyota and Honda have lead in quality for the last 20 years. One bad year is still less that 20 plus years of recalls. Ive showed real articles from Motortrend and more with recent recalls that you claim are years ago when they were 2005 and 2006 lol
You are still trying to work that angle. No one is going to buy American until they earn Americans trust. Trust takes at least 10 years to earn.
Your articles are bull**** and thus they were called for what they were. The engine sludge article was worthless. The fan site is worthless too. Crash your car; take pic blame on Toyota, repeat. The one good article you had said that Toyota is taking their time with future products. So what?

Yes you do have to prove everything. You can’t just make claims about things without backing them up. I can sit here and be like “GM and Ford are better than Toyota and Honda and everyone knows it”. What will you say to that? You’d say ‘bull****’. And unless we are a bunch of little 6 year olds that go back and forth “Yes, they are!” – “No, they’re not!”, then we will BOTH have to back up ourselves – you are not exempt from it. Agreed on this?

“I’ve shown real articles from Motor Trend” — yeah, and my articles were fake? Are you saying my articles are made up? Every I gave was very real – the engine sludge, the frame cracking (who the **** would ruin their own car to embarrass Toy? And also, that is a pretty convincing damage that could not have been staged). It’s your choice not to believe that Toyota’s quality has decreased, I don’t really care so don’t think you’re special enough for me to try and convince you – you are just one mindless person. And stop with the “Toyonda have lead in quality for the past 20 years (have you driven their cars for 20 years? I doubt it.) Yes they lead in quality for so long, but not they lead in recalls. Get used to it

Sorry buddy, the math isnt there no matter how you try and spin it
Your articles were real just bull**** thats all. I gave 4 recalls articles that showed millions of Gm vehicles being recalled and you are harping on one year 2007 you say “They have the most this year. See that proves my point”. Uhh no it doesnt
Get accustomed to it

I don;t know why some of your continue to argue with this turd…

almost everyone knows that only pussies buy hondas… and only remedial pussies will pay more for a honda with an “A” slapped on it.

end of story.

How is the math “not there”

VW: 1,000,000+
Toyota: 533,000+
Honda: 182,750+
GM/Ford: 50,000+ COMBINED

Does that not add up?? It adds up pretty nicely to me. And for the 340593845 time, yes – the past is important, but it isn’t relevant to our debate. What – you are gonna go around bashing GM about literally nothing (except things they did 20 years ago) for the next 10-15 years until you are “convinced” that they are make good cars? What more can GM be doing to prove its quality other than what its doing now – no recalls, good [exterior] designs, improving interiors, exciting cars like the camaro, and so on. What more do you want?

I don’t know how to say it better than that – AMGoff said it pretty nicely too though

LIKE I SAID you are harping on one year (2007) when GM recalled 2 Million cars just 2 years ago
Honda is at 200k lets say and Toyota is at 500k Advantage Japanese.
You are really trying and trying to drive your bogus point home.
It’s not going to happen. People still will buy japanese over american for the 340593846th time.
The past is totally relevant bc they have a track record of making crap that will take years to get back on track. You want to believe so bad that you think that 3 decent cars makes them as reliable as the Japanese. It doesnt work that way.
Once again they are still having recalls like the Vette and its baby brother lol the Cobalt. They made crap 20 years ago and they are making crap today but I will say the crap looks better.
What I want is for them to prove their quality by standing the test of time having high resale being on the top 10 list for 10 years plus and having a track record for reliability just like the Japanese or better. Until that happens they are a pos company that makes pos cars
I have told you this numerous times and you havent listened bc of your communism oops I mean patriotism

Yea “pussies buy Honda’s” Where’s my wheelchair? Pussies buy Honda’s will A’s on them” give me my medicine.
Old people with Alzheimer’s buy Chevy’s with B’s on them ” They call them Buick’s” arrrghh!

Unlike you, I don’t have time to be going over the same thing over and over again. Your last 3 comments have been pretty much the same, re-worded things so I’m not gonna go over my same arguments too. All you need to hear AGAIN apparantly is:

“What – you are gonna go around bashing GM about literally nothing (except things they did 20 years ago) for the next 10-15 years until you are “convinced” that they are make good cars? What more can GM be doing to prove its quality other than what its doing now – no recalls, good [exterior] designs, improving interiors, exciting cars like the camaro, and so on. What more do you want?”

IF YOU WANT TO BE AN IGNORANT MORON FOR THE NEXT 10-15 YEARS AND WORSHIP TOYONDA, BE MY GUEST. HOWEVER, DON’T EXPECT THE REST OF AMERICA TO “CONTINUE BUYING CAMCORDS” BECAUSE COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, YOU ARE TWICE AS IGNORANT (AND CONSIDERING THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, THAT’S PRETTY BAD)

Also, where is the Communism thing coming from. You “accuse” me of being a patriot (I am SO sorry), yet you also say I’m a communist. Capitalism and Communism are polar opposites so I don’t understand how I can support both. Explain

But, Chevy rebadges as a Buick? I’m getting curious again – which cars are you talking about? And I also loved how you made fun of people with Alzheimer’s.

Honda makes good lawnmowers. And pressure washers.

You are funny.Your argument are exactly the same too. I wasnt the one that posted the same lame article 5 times. Thats why you said for the 3456789th time lol. You forcing your opinion and thinking that people should buy American bc they are American is communist. When I call you a Patriot I’m being sarcastic You should have picked up on that.
AMG is an old man with a Buick Regal “GS” like someone gives a ****.

Dont worry about that.Concentrate on letting me know how GM has proven their quality in the last 4.5 months since those 2006 recalls dont count . I dont worship anything nor anyone but I do use my better judgement when buying a vehicle and thats why I DONT BUY GM. Buying the better more reliable car is the polar opposite of ignorant. Buying a car to support America is IGNORANT
C6 just make sure your top doesn’t fly off!

My arguments are the same because I am just answering your arguments..which are also the same. I never suggested to buy American because its American. I basically said “why not buy American when they are just as good as the imports? And I’m sorry, your “jokes” are so stupid I can’t even distinguish between what’s supposed to be funny and what’s not (because sometimes the things you say when you are serious are so retarded they ARE funny).

GM has proven their quality because they have NOT had any major recalls for any of their new products. GM is on top of the JD Power quality studies (for which you have yet to prove your claims that GM bribed them). GM has proven their quality by not doing anything wrong lately, while Toyonda has put their quality in question with all the problems they have had lately.

So buying an 06-07 civic over a cobalt means buying “the more reliable car?” Even though the Civic’s wheels tend to fall off, the Civic is still the better car because Honda built good cars 10 years ago? That is great justification, yea. And I NEVER SAID TO BUY A CAR TO SUPPORT AMERICA. The only time I mentioned that was when we were talking about the Matrix and the VIbe which are essentially the same car and all that was different about them is that when you bought one, your money went to Japan – when you bought the other your money went to America. I used that argument for only those two cars so stop trying to say that its my whole argument for everything

The 2006 Cobalt had a safety recall as well. The legendary sports car the Vettes roof flys off Thats not dangerous Thats not a recall ?
They have had major recalls in the last 2 model years that recalled 2 MILLION VEHICLES. Honda continues to build better cars till this day and once again you are trying to stretch the truth and ignore GMs recalls and play up Honda and Toyotas just to support your argument. Your 10 years ago argument is trash. They made good cars 10 years ago and today which means that Honda and Toyota have a track record to PROVE their worth. JD Powers is bull**** they are a company that can be bought and even if I believed the **** they say their studies say that the car will run well for 3 years ? What about 10 years ? 15 years PLEASE! They(Japanese) have a recall this year sure but its still less than the cars that GM has recalled since 2002 NOT 1987!
You have nothing!
The Vibe is a Toyota underneath so GM paid Toyota for it so either way it went to Japan I will never be tricked into buying American to support Americans when GM moved plants to Mexico to save a buck while the Americans that they want to buy their POS cars starved

i for one think its ok to build cars in mexico, it gives mexicans real jobs other than mowing my lawn (with a honda) and washing my car
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1115 WE GET IT DONT BUY ONE IF YOU DONT LIKE THEM
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NOW LETS KILL THIS **** ALREADY GOD DAMN.

And ‘Im the racist lol

Why mention toyota?
There is only one perfect car, and that’s honda. anything else is by definition, imperfect, and therefore inferior to a honda.

only those unwilling to accept anything less than absolute perfection buy hondas. Just the purchase of a honda proves you’re intelligent. You’ll end up with a gorgeous spouse, perfect children, a satisfying career, and a place in heaven.

All mere mortal cars should be required to pull over to the right whenever a honda passes.

“Honda makes good lawnmowers. And pressure washers.”

Good, yes.
Passable motorcycles and ATVs
decent generators.
But the pinnacle of perfection in the manufacturing of anything, is the honda car. Until the next honda car.

Do what you want 1115 – enough people on here are siding with me and you are pretty much by yourself. The Vibe/Matrix was developed JOINTLY between GM/Toy so its a product of both companies. I have said all I need to say.

If you want to wait 20 years before you trust them again that is your choice (and your loss because you are gonna be driving bland, uninspiring cars for the next 10 years)

So its not about the facts its about who sides with who >?? Unlike you I dont need the apporval of the people in this thread or on this website.
My current car is neither bland nor uninspiring I love it and its better than anything that GM can come up with. My next car and any car that I purchase will be the same
You are the one losing out You are the one who is taking a chance on an unreliable car company bc you want to “Spend it where you make it” lol
Like I said before Good Luck with that. The Japanese are better and more reliable

have you ever noticed you’re the only pussy on here that insists acura is an actual luxury brand. My Regal GS was a nice car – you only prove that you don’t know **** about cars to think that it was an “old man” car, it would run circles around whatever piece of **** honda you are running. My cadillac’s even nice… and would again run circle’s around any gussied up honda.

DON’T YOU GET IT YOU FAIRY, YOU”RE THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS SO.

Stop trying to insist something that’s not so… Acura is not a luxury car maker… they are at best a “premium” car maker in the same vein as, yes you pansy, Buick. Get the **** over yourself already.. you’re nothing but a ****ing broken record… sheesh..

on and on and on and on and on it goes, just wanted to be post 145.

not a racist just think mexico can do better for its self.

Have you ever noticed that you are the only old man on here and you use the word “gussied”?
Acura is a performance luxury vehicle. Show me one Boat Buick that will out run, out last, and has a better resale or reliability record than an Acura. Ooops there aren’t any! A ****ing Lucerne ? lol A Reatta? I don’t think so. Buick’s lineup is a JOKE!
Acura has technology that GM took years to get like navigation and SH AWD. They started the Japanese luxury car and still make great cars at great prices. They are better than Buick or anything GM has to offer in the same class .
Take your Geritol and STFU

Lucerne Super will definately outrun any Honda/Acura.

And for the LAST time, I AM NOT A GM SUPPORTER BECAUSE I AM PATRIOTIC. I used to be just like you for a while until I got into cars. What I don’t understand is how a driver of a 95 honda found his way to a car forum or any other website that appreciates cars.

As for Navigation, Oldsmobile had navigation available right when Acura did. Also, Lexus started what you call the Jap luxury car.

Lastly, the facts support my argument AS WELL as yours. The reason for that is that you seem to be debating a whole seperate issue – you are debating the last 20 years, I am debating today.

Oh, and my favorite video of the new CTS:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkEw1rsBUak (she is so fuken hot)

Tell me that is not more exciting car than ANY honda/acura

No A Lucerne with not outrun or outlast any Acura. Lexus came out in 1989 when Acura came out in 1986 do you even know what you are saying ?..
I don’t own a 95 Honda stop listening to Lamboz or whoever he she is
I doubt that Oldsmobile had navigation in 1998 when Acura did but Ill look it up
I’m debating today also and Gm still is not a quality product

I looked up the Aurora. It didnt have touchscreen in dash navigation, it had onstar as an option in 1998.
I was reading and for the most part the the reviews were good and people said its a solid car.
The problems that people mentioned were the directional signal falling off and it cost $550 to fix. A bar in the trunk goes and requires welding(two different, and the electrical system went. These cars are under 100k miles. These are minor issues that the people complained about bc they are expensive. That only bc Oldsmobile is no more. Its worth $4200.
The 98 TL is worth $5900 and the RL is worth $7560 just to show the japanese superiority.
Overall Im glad I looked it up. The owners seem to like it which makes me think why didnt GM just turn it into a Buick or a Saturn ?

A—-a is’t the first japanese luxury car. It’s the ONLY real luxury car! Who else but honda can even make a car of any quality. But no, Honda doesn’t settle for “quality.” It demands — and delivers — sheer perfection every time!

Honda doesn’t settle for “quality.” It demands — and delivers — sheer perfection every time! Almost every time Most of the time and definetely more times that GM ford and Chrysler