http://youtube.com/watch?v=jkEw1rsBUak (she is so fuken hot)

Tell me that is not more exciting car than ANY honda/acura

And for the LAST time, I AM NOT A GM SUPPORTER BECAUSE I AM PATRIOTIC. I used to be just like you for a while until I got into cars. What I don’t understand is how a driver of a 95 honda found his way to a car forum or any other website that appreciates cars.

As for Navigation, Oldsmobile had navigation available right when Acura did. Also, Lexus started what you call the Jap luxury car.

Lastly, the facts support my argument AS WELL as yours. The reason for that is that you seem to be debating a whole seperate issue – you are debating the last 20 years, I am debating today.

DON’T YOU GET IT YOU FAIRY, YOU”RE THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS SO.

Stop trying to insist something that’s not so… Acura is not a luxury car maker… they are at best a “premium” car maker in the same vein as, yes you pansy, Buick. Get the fuck over yourself already.. you’re nothing but a fucking broken record… sheesh..

If you want to wait 20 years before you trust them again that is your choice (and your loss because you are gonna be driving bland, uninspiring cars for the next 10 years)

only those unwilling to accept anything less than absolute perfection buy hondas. Just the purchase of a honda proves you’re intelligent. You’ll end up with a gorgeous spouse, perfect children, a satisfying career, and a place in heaven.

All mere mortal cars should be required to pull over to the right whenever a honda passes.

“Honda makes good lawnmowers. And pressure washers.”

Good, yes.
Passable motorcycles and ATVs
decent generators.
But the pinnacle of perfection in the manufacturing of anything, is the honda car. Until the next honda car.

GM has proven their quality because they have NOT had any major recalls for any of their new products. GM is on top of the JD Power quality studies (for which you have yet to prove your claims that GM bribed them). GM has proven their quality by not doing anything wrong lately, while Toyonda has put their quality in question with all the problems they have had lately.

So buying an 06-07 civic over a cobalt means buying “the more reliable car?” Even though the Civic’s wheels tend to fall off, the Civic is still the better car because Honda built good cars 10 years ago? That is great justification, yea. And I NEVER SAID TO BUY A CAR TO SUPPORT AMERICA. The only time I mentioned that was when we were talking about the Matrix and the VIbe which are essentially the same car and all that was different about them is that when you bought one, your money went to Japan – when you bought the other your money went to America. I used that argument for only those two cars so stop trying to say that its my whole argument for everything

Dont worry about that.Concentrate on letting me know how GM has proven their quality in the last 4.5 months since those 2006 recalls dont count . I dont worship anything nor anyone but I do use my better judgement when buying a vehicle and thats why I DONT BUY GM. Buying the better more reliable car is the polar opposite of ignorant. Buying a car to support America is IGNORANT
C6 just make sure your top doesn’t fly off!

“What – you are gonna go around bashing GM about literally nothing (except things they did 20 years ago) for the next 10-15 years until you are “convinced” that they are make good cars? What more can GM be doing to prove its quality other than what its doing now – no recalls, good [exterior] designs, improving interiors, exciting cars like the camaro, and so on. What more do you want?”

IF YOU WANT TO BE AN IGNORANT MORON FOR THE NEXT 10-15 YEARS AND WORSHIP TOYONDA, BE MY GUEST. HOWEVER, DON’T EXPECT THE REST OF AMERICA TO “CONTINUE BUYING CAMCORDS” BECAUSE COMPARED TO THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, YOU ARE TWICE AS IGNORANT (AND CONSIDERING THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, THAT’S PRETTY BAD)

Also, where is the Communism thing coming from. You “accuse” me of being a patriot (I am SO sorry), yet you also say I’m a communist. Capitalism and Communism are polar opposites so I don’t understand how I can support both. Explain

But, Chevy rebadges as a Buick? I’m getting curious again – which cars are you talking about? And I also loved how you made fun of people with Alzheimer’s.

VW: 1,000,000+
Toyota: 533,000+
Honda: 182,750+
GM/Ford: 50,000+ COMBINED

Does that not add up?? It adds up pretty nicely to me. And for the 340593845 time, yes – the past is important, but it isn’t relevant to our debate. What – you are gonna go around bashing GM about literally nothing (except things they did 20 years ago) for the next 10-15 years until you are “convinced” that they are make good cars? What more can GM be doing to prove its quality other than what its doing now – no recalls, good [exterior] designs, improving interiors, exciting cars like the camaro, and so on. What more do you want?

I don’t know how to say it better than that – AMGoff said it pretty nicely too though

almost everyone knows that only pussies buy hondas… and only remedial pussies will pay more for a honda with an “A” slapped on it.

end of story.

“I’ve shown real articles from Motor Trend” — yeah, and my articles were fake? Are you saying my articles are made up? Every I gave was very real – the engine sludge, the frame cracking (who the fuck would ruin their own car to embarrass Toy? And also, that is a pretty convincing damage that could not have been staged). It’s your choice not to believe that Toyota’s quality has decreased, I don’t really care so don’t think you’re special enough for me to try and convince you – you are just one mindless person. And stop with the “Toyonda have lead in quality for the past 20 years (have you driven their cars for 20 years? I doubt it.) Yes they lead in quality for so long, but not they lead in recalls. Get used to it

CALLING MY ARGUMENTS BULL WON’T HELP YOU PROVE YOUR POINT. In fact, the fact that you don’t have anything to say about them except that they are “bull” shows that you are wrong.

Even LLN said “Toyota had more recalls in 2007 than all of the domestic automakers combined.” Does that sound like a quality-leader to you??

Calling my articles BULL won’t get us anywhere. I can call your articles bull too. Autoweek is VERY respected and this quote from that article is not even written by Autoweek:

“But those measures have lowered the quality of Toyota vehicles, engineers and executives acknowledge. ”

As you can see, Toy’s own people admit the quality slip yet you, their biggest fan, won’t.

There’s nothing that can be remotely compared to the most sacred car of all … the Honda. Sheer beauty, sheer perfection. Just breathing the name fills me up with a light and airy feeling. Absolute divine automotive perfection that will never be matched, until there’s another Honda to replace the existing perfect one.

I’m going to nod off and dream about Del Sols and CVCCs prancing through the wilderness like perfect little bunny rabbits

For the FIFTH time, look at this and respond to it. This is what ignoring is – not saying anything in response to my link.

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

FOR THE FOURTH TIME, ANSWER THIS:

http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

Your (sic) all morons. Hondas are uniformly perfect. No honda has ever broken down, even once. Sheer perfection, each and every time. I suspect they’re actually made by God.

There is nothing of any kind — not even a maytag washer — that comes close to the unsurpassable quality of a honda. it should cost $1 just to say the word “Honda,” they’re so perfect

Your recalls are OLD. Do they prove that GM had quality issues in the past? YES, AND I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT. The fact that GM had recalls in the past cannot be used to support your opinion that they are “still” inferior. It could’ve have been used, but the lack of recalls by GM go directly against what you are saying. On the contrary, the recent JUMP in recalls by Toyonda indicate a decline in quality. You still continue to ignore this…..
http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070625/FREE/70625001/1530/FREE

Scarface – I am not saying that GM is BETTER than the Japs. I am saying that they are pretty much EQUAL at this point. I am trying to say that people should stop being ignorant and buying cars based on whether they have a US or Jap badge – buy cars based on which is better. New Accord or Impala? New Accord. Saturn Vue or Toy RAV4? Saturn Vue. Or if you disagree with those – base your decision on preference, not on the badge.

Domestic v. foreign. If I were to read everything tripleonfive and Commodore have posted, and all of their links, I’m not sure there’s an answer as to whether domestics or imports have fared better over the years. LLN’s original article is dangerous, though, because it talks about absolute numbers of recalled vehicles. I’m more interested in how many recalls per model or per model year, or what percentage. As I think autonut, and others noted or suggested, the more cars you sell, the more likely you are to have a recalled vehicle.

Also, I read the top 14 list article linked by the LLN article above. The number one recalled vehicle for 2007 was the VW Beetle at 1 million+, but over THREE MILLION Fords were recalled in 2007, but weren’t counted because they weren’t 2007 model year cars. So the article that started off this whole discussion has a lot to be desired.

Finally, recalls are an inevitable consequence of mass production. Period. They must be taken with a grain of salt. That’s not to say they’re not serious, they are, which is why most recalls occur without a headlining lawsuit. I’m more skeptical of a car company that has recalls of lower-volume vehicles, such as Ford with the GT.

But if your favorite automaker goes 10 years without a single recall, I am as likely to praise that car company for good quality as I would be suspicious of it for covering up potential defects.