Let the world know!
Hondas are unanimously and unerringly perfect.
Now and Forever!

Yet another several hundred thousand blow to the so called quality and reliability of imports. And the thing is, when arguing about the current Malibu being bad, 1115 and others bring up the fact that “the new Malibu is bad because the old one was unreliable so that means the new one is too”. Then they allege that Honda is a reliable company and has a history of it. I am really questioning that history now, with not just their newest models getting recalled, but also their bread and butter Accord which is supposed to be bullproof and last fro 200,000 miles with no problems. Same goes with the Tacoma which managed only 8 years before most of them went to the junk yard (their owners did get payed though to keep them happy). So I think that at this point, if 1115 ever had an argument about the Malibu being presumed bad because of its predecessors, that is not null considering that the Accord has problems with its previous models too.

Can someone please find me the WORST problem(s) that happened with the old Malibu?

Awwww, c’mon LLN. Every company has recalls.

Automakers should list “Free Lifetime Recalls” as a selling point.

Must be all those GM parts in the Accord that are causing the recall.

I love how everyone jumped up and down about the Matrix/Corolla/Vibe recall being GM’s fault. But when the Vibe scores well in JD Power IQ Studies, everyone says, “oh, but it’s really a Toyota”.

Yeah, no one’s exempt from recalls. Toyota and VW have just been getting a ton of them lately, and GM hasn’t compared to the past. This time, it’s Honda’s turn. Oh well…next…

“No injuries or accidents have been linked to the defect, according to the car manufacturer.” If there were, they’d blame it on the floor mats.

Oops, that excuse is already taken. They’ll just blame it on the rain.

Commodore: the accord is simply the best car evey; nay, the only car ever worth buying.

“quality and reliability” are the accord’s middle name.

“Honda is a reliable company and has a history of it.’

i’ll tell you of my own honda experience

Years ago, the heavens spit open, and Soichiro Honda floated down on his own personal sunbeam. He landed in Japan, and his message of perfection spread quickly. It became clear straight away that he’d blown away Henry Ford and those other old white guys away.
There was a new sheriff is town.
Many people understood the gospel, including me. I loved my Honda at first. Then, several new models came out, each more perfect than the last. Oh, how badly, I wanted one! But I had to wait for the Honda I owned to die first.
I waited
And waited
And waited
Year after trouble-free year.
Finally, I called customer service, with the goal of finding out just how long it might be before my car would finally dies (or at least start running at less than perfect efficiency).
“Never,” I was told. “Our cars are designed to last forever. You’re stuck with that Vigor.”
That’s the problem with buying perfection. It can’t be replaced.
Please Honda, please, I beg of you. Make a car with at least on flaw! Even a very tiny one would suffice.

Let me write Commodores and Janitor jack Turkeys response

See I told you this is the most heinous recall in car history ! Honda knew that water could possibly leak and that could lead to possible corrosion that could lead to a possible engine fire Even though it hasn’t happened and is likely never to happen they recalled the car bc Honda is the devil
So being that water could possibly enter the motor and possibly corrode and possibly lead to an engine fire this means the Malibu is equal to the Accord ! The new Malibu (that comes from GM known for 20 years of crap that years 1982-2002 bitch then 2002 -2008) that has been on the market for 6 months and driven by car magazine for 1 day is a reliable car bc it lasted 3 months (which is longer than most GMs) therefore people should consider GM over Honda bc of the water could possibly enter the motor and possibly corrode and possibly lead to an engine fire on one year of Honda Accords even though it hasn’t happened like this GM fire http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/03/pf/autos/recall_gm/index.htm

I feel not by any book values or any factual data but by my pity for GM that they should be considered Right jack jim

My Honda blew up after 3 miles and I bought a Pinto and it lasted 800 000 miles without an oil change Hondas and Toyotas are jap crap and even thought they have better resale reliability and GM Ford and Chrysler and the domestics cant come up with any contenders for these cars the American cars are better
Trust me Im a Janitor Ra rah

jjt, that’s a hell of a testimonial from a guy who drives a Buick…

Sir, I don’t understand how a person of your obvious intelligence can be so wrong.

GM should never be considered. only honda should be considered. The others should simply stop tring to compete.

Anyone who tells you he had a honda that was something other than absolutely perfict is a Liar, Redneck and Janitor.

you guys are retarded, you get mad at idiots who write the same ****, yet you specifically talk about them, and their probable response, even though for the past while I have not seen them post. How about you wait until the idiot posts to make fun of him, instead of pretending to know what they write and responding to an imaginary post in your head. your posts are more annoying then the original persons.

It happens, but it’s still a Honda and their reliability is solid, it still doesn’t affect my perception of them…. Hey who do I sound like????? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Jesus, here we go again, for the billionth time.

Please COmmo Jjt Jjacy Impulsive Lamboz get a life someone Please make this at least challenging
There is a Honda recall and this is making my job easier Why???
Come on not one of you can show me some evidence that GM is equal to Toyota or Honda Not of you

Ahh wordpress block my posts huh Well Ill get it through no matter what to answer your question Commo the 2003 Malibu had a pedal accelation problem that afeect 92,000 cars and umm since that car suck it only sold under 100k while the Accord bc of its reliability and build quality sold 353 k copies
Ill send the info when wordpress stops blocking me
Clever but not clever enough LLN

Car & Driver and Motor Trend Editors got shotguns in their mouths.

Let me guess…the factory where 400horseSS works probably made the wiper motor. And they’re probably striking now because they’re not getting $75/hr. Oh boo hoo.

Hahahaha “I’ll send the info when wordpress stops blocking me. Cleaver but not clever enough LLN”
hahahaha. You are perhaps the most entertaining mentally challenged person I have ever come across

It LET you post a comment, but it doesn’t let you post one that responds to my arguments. Right…
And your first post asks for more “evidence” that GM is equal to Toy. Well, according to you GM recalled 92,000 of 100,000 Malibus and Honda recalled all 353k Accords. So GM recalled 92% of cars and fixed them, and Honda recalled 100% of cars AFTER THE FACT. That proves your point…how? Not even considering the fact that you didn’t cite the Malibu recall which is (1) irrelevant because its from 2002 and (2) not something that I will accept as fact until you back it up with a source.

Commodore, here is the difference: defect with rusting of motor happened to a 6 year old car (2003 model year started in 2002). GM recalled Malibu in the beginning of the run, therefore they rushed to production ahead of completing test cycle.
It looks to me like supplier (from US) of windshield motors did not follow requirement and some motors corroded. Since it happened to Accords which are made in Ohio and for N.A. consumption I deduce it was US supplier. Honda could not test 6 years worth of corrosion on a car that is developed on 4 year cycle. Honda will examine parts and those that need replacement will be replaced. Some of them are fine and were of perfect quality. It could not one but several suppliers (most likely scenario) and one screwed up or was screwed by his supplier of parts.
Generally Hondas and especially Accords are best buys in consumer report and in top 10 cars in car and driver for the last 20 years(or since beginning of top 10). Accords hold resale value right after Jeeps and Minis. Try to test drive the latest one, jacjimturkey was impressed after he tried.

wheres everyone that gets horny for asians and bashes the hell out of GM now?

HONDA= Hated Old Noisy Damaged Auto
HONDA=Hold On Not Done Accelerating
HONDA=Had One Never Did Again
HONDA= Hand Over Dollars Da Asians

autonut – first, I have not been given a source that supports the fact that there ever really was a recall. I won’t take anyone’s word for it except for a credible source’s word.

Second, don’t be so quick to blame it on the US or America or GM or whatever. You must accept the fact that this is a HONDA recall. One of many recalls made by Toyonda over the past few years. You just “deduced” as you said that this is a US supplier’s fault. What would you say if I said the Corvette roof issue (which only affected 1000 or so cars) was because a Japanese glue supplier fukked up. So stop assuming things…just look it up and see if it happened that way. And also remember that this isn’t country vs. country (America always wins anyway) so just because its an American supplier, IF IT WAS an American supplier, doesn’t change anything. The “its a 4 year development cycle bull**** so it couldn’t forsee what would happen in six” is fundamentally wrong. How come the Accord is the only car with this problem? Or, at least, why don’t all cars developed in 4 years rust after 6?

And don’t tell me that you can’t do proper testing because of a small time frame. That is disproved by the Volt whose engineers are doing 10 years worth of testing within a 2 year period so it can be done.

I couldn’t care less about consumer reports (even though it is funny when even THEY rate the Camry as crap lol). I have test driven an Accord. I guess it’s fairly sporty so driving-wise it is not as boring as the last one. Exterior is still extremely bland though. But don’t think that I am anti-import either!! I have and still do praise the Accord’s interior – it is damn near perfect. I am not trying to persuade anyone here that the Malibu is BETTER than the Accord or something. Just that both are cars with great interiors, fun to drive for a midsize sedan, etc so they should both be on everyone’s mid-size sedan shopping list.

‘1115′ is an illiterate chimp … Hondas and Toyotas are ugly pieces of **** … everything else is on par these days … keep screeching in your cage, primate.

GM must be paying LLN to post such lies. My daddy sez he has 40 quintillion miles on his 1993 Accord and he ejaculated in the gas tank one day when my ass was sore. Consumer Reports says my daddy’s car is worth a lot so it must be fact. Daddy used to buy american but his saggy 400 lb ass broke thru the seat cushions while banging hookers so I know that every single american car ever made and that ever will be made is junk. It is a fact because I say so.

Daddyyyyy, I’m thirsty!

This is the kind of recall other automakers would dream of having.

people are stupid

mayer_ray_nagin

your ****ing equally if not more retarded then whoever your trying to make fun of.

this 1115 keeps getting called dumb, yet he hasn’t posted in 28 comments, half of which allude to him. so whos dumber now?…………. the people that waste space to comment on someone not even in the conversation.

I wish this place could actually be used for smart, and intelligent discussion

acura, you mean like the drivel you post defending your
soichi-honda-sphincter-buddy?

400horse, we know they may have shotguns in their mouths but we all know what’s in yours you peter puffer. Funny how 1115 makes this a legitimate excuse but if an AMERICAN company had the same problems they would be the epitemy of crappiness. Honda Sucks!

This would never happen if you bought a Chevy Malibu or pontiac G6 or any other car from GM. Unlike import brands that will build you nothing but garbage, GM engineers quality and dependibility into every vehicle it produces. You shouldn’t have a problem with a Gm car until well past 300 thousand miles, maybe more. Imports (and most Fords and Chryslers) don’t last 50 thousand miles before heading to the junkyard.

So who wants to take on all the folks who ramble on and on about the reliability and quality of Honda? PWNED.

acura, look at post #8, maybe then you’d get it. You are not owed an explanation, but this dope has posted more crap about the infallibility of Honda than most of us can stomach. We are enjoying a little crow eating. Don’t like it? There are other web sites out there…

Thereis no evidence,sir.No one is equalto Honda,the Pinnacleof perfection.It should cost $100just to speak the holy name “accord.”

Alright, I’m honestly getting pretty sick of all this stuff, we already know it’s (1115) out there to push some hot buttons, and that’s what it’s been doing. Nothing wrong, I laugh too when I read his posts. But this is getting absurd, LLN’s finally gotten rid of the fake names and a few users that never pertained to our discussion, and now every single page is full of this.

Just quit posting to it’s comments. Simple as that.

And we’re not “crow eating”. There’s not much to eat, and it’s just a message board.

Aside from that, you guys are getting your panties in a wad over nothing. It’s a windshield wiper, something that I’ve replaced in my vehicle once which is a domestic, and that’s about all I’ve had to replace aside from the alternator and regular things. Take care of almost any vehicle, and it’ll last.

I think Need More Oil For GM’s posts are funnier than 1115’s, but both of them are retards, and I suspect they might be the same retard.

I suspect your right. Great detective work.

the only thing i’m getting here is that water might/will cause the motor for the wiper system to fail, not the motor of the car, if this is true…. why is everyone all in a fuss over a wiper motor? how does this reflect honda quality? a freaking wiper motor!! ooooooooooooooooo the horror, i almost bought a used cts from gm and they tried to force me to buy an extended warrenty incase some of the “switches” for the windows went out…

1115 and Need more oil are both Phil Henrie, fing w/us

The domestic fanboys just love this type of news. They are so pathetic that they get all giddy with joy. I guess when your a fan of junk, you look at any little thing to make you happy. Enjoy this news domestic boys, you know its just a matter of time till you hear about another drastic recall from a domestic company.

Had a 2000 Accord. 27,000 miles. Died in the middle of a parking lot one day. No warning, no unusual gage movement, no idiot light. It had a dead battery. Replaced the battery and had the system checked. Same thing happened two months later, in the middle of a freeway. Dead battery with no warning of a problem. Also died on the lot where I traded it in. Junk car, lousy service. No more Hondas.

I always laugh at these people who are fans of domestics or work for a domestic auto maker and go on forums posing as former owners of imports and stating how horrible they were and how they will never by an import again. Nice try guys, but the reality is Japanese cars are better, thats why they have better resale value, thats why Jap car owners always buy another jap car, and domestic car owners later switch to imports.

OMG, now there’s another one!!!

2000 Accord also rusted alot. Only got $6000 on a trade in. Volvo dealer told me alternators are a common problem on these Hondas, and the bodies scratch easily.
There are people on this forum who think it’s funny being stuck in the middle of a freeway. I had to restart the car many times and get it to a nearby off ramp. Rolled down the off-ramp and found myself in a very bad Cleveland neighborhood with three women in the car.
Laugh all you want moto-boy. You are an asshole. We could have been injured or worse. The Volvo has given perfect service, and it’s an import.

What does this have to do wit auto enthusiasts? Anyone who really likes cars would never buy a Honda, Toy, Ford, Cerberus, or any Korean crap.

hmm Watch out Moto if you speak the truth on this site they block you
BTW the 2003 and 2004 malibu were recalled for the accelerator pedal as well as the 2004 had hydraulic braking problems
Lets see if this will be posted ????

Oh how about that
Anyway buh bye you are an idiot of course the Volvo dealer is going to trash the competition Its amazing what idiots will believe and there is NO way your Honda died at 27 k its a Honda not a Focus or any GM
This recall is a possible water that could possibly get in and then it would have to possibly corrode the motor then possibly catch on fire
Commo could possibly like women but its unlikely
JJT possibly could have gotten an education so he wouldnt have to be a janitor
Jjayc possibly could have had sex but in all three scenarios its unlikely
Accelerator pedals and hydraulic brake failure now thats a real recall and it came from GM’s malibu
So commo can someone please find me the WORST problem(s) that happened with the old Malibu?
Yea you have been told and my point is poven once again

Malibu VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:ACCELERATOR PEDAL Recall – ID# 42901 you can look it up on the NHTSA website Potential Units Affected
92863

Malibu SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:ANTILOCK:CONTROL UNIT/MODULE Recall – ID# 29831

wheels flying off Civics is another big deal.

Potential Units Affected
65439
Along with 20 plus and counting years of GM recall 1982-2002 like Commo said and the links in this thread from 2002-current including the Lambdas and the poor build quality of the last Malibu this is a nail in the coffin to your Malibu argument

Along with all the links above with GM cars catching on fire
Nagain The proof is there whether you or Commo choose to ignore it or not

Blah blah blah. At the end of the day, you’re the one driving the boring car.

Blah blah blah i dont drive an Accord you dolt Even if I did it wouldnt matter if it was boring bc its reliable has high resale and is a Honda

??? Well, I know it’s a Honda, and if it’s not an Accord it must be a… WTF? I don’t care! They’re all the same toaster to me. If it has an H on the hood, it’s BORING.

And so are you. Goodbye.

YOu Hemmi and the rest of the jackasses need to get a life Get a hobby and stop looking to your car to make your life exciting and define who you are Saying a car is boring is a telltale sign that you have no life You probably park in front of resturants and clubs trying to show off so that maybe just maybe you can get a girl to notice you
You are a loser in life and need to kill yourself
Take Jacjsc and Commo with you

1115, if you ever rode in my Road Runner, you would learn the definition of adrenaline and excitement. It spins the tires more power shifting into 4th than your damn toyota would ever do off the line. You need to get a chick and stop wacking off to shemale porn looking for excitement. Oh yeah, your mom is a good source of excitement also, tell her I’ll be over later.

Commodore, there are some defects that can be tested on accelerated “aging” tests and some don’t. You can drive a lot of miles in a car and simulate that way 10 years use in 1-2 years. You can test components on wear and tear using robots. Rust is very difficult to test. Body rust was eliminated only 15 years ago with advent of better paints and inexpensive steel alloys, but electric motor requires qualities beyond body rust. Granted, GM/Chrysler/Ford did not have those issues and Honda does.
I do believe that Honda is the only company who made or maybe still makes ordinary machinery that handles better then peers and sportier then peers. It is also has great statistical quality. It does not mean that there will be no lemons, but statistically there is better chance of getting quality Accord then Ford or Chrysler car. The book is open on GM – initial quality so far is great, let see what happens in 4-5 years.

If you read the fine print of this Campaign/Recall, if corrosion is NOT present then an additional water barrier must be installed. WHY, because the original engineering did not design the water drainage through the cowling PROPERLY. Water will take the path of least resistance, in this case directly onto the wiper motor module assembly connector. This is an engineering FLAW. Live with it, someone made a mistake and I bet Honda will blame their cowling vendor for this one.

out of curiousity, what kind of car DO you drive, 1115?

Hey, I drive a Taurus, so according to your mentality, even if you drove an Indian taxi that would be the Holy Grail vs Monty Python.

autonut – that was a completely fair assessment (especially the book being open on GM initial quality being great). It is nice that you recognized both sides of the story by mentioning both the good and the bad that both GM and Honda do. I suppose I should make it more clear that I am greatly impressed by, for example, the Accord’s interior, because (1) it simply deserves praise and (2) so that I am not stereotyped as another domestic-lover or whatever. The one glaring mistake in your last post though was the idea that you put forth about manufacturers not being able to test for rust.

As technicalassistance brought up, this is a design flaw. It is not about the fact that Honda didn’t have enough time to test the parts against rust, it is about the fact that Honda didn’t engineer the car so that the engine parts, and other parts which were never meant to be rust-resistant, would be protected against water. This situation is like Kodak or something designing a water-proof camera that has a gap in its protective shell which is meant to keep water from getting to the sensitive parts.

Noo… a recall from Honda… that can’t be… not from Honda, they don’t do anything wrong… just like they would never purposely calibrate their odometers wrong so to rack up supposed excess mileage which would void warranties early and screw millions of people… No, I can’t believe it… I won’t believe it.

Just like I won’t believe Buicks and Cadillacs rank higher in quality than a Honda… it’s just not true… because other people say so.. and other people know everything….

And that’s just because my 1990 Honda will resale for $32 more than your 1990 Chevy… so that makes it a more reliable car… and if you don’t believe me, my argument will be held up in a court of law.

1990 Honda will resale for $32 more than your 1990 Chevy uh…………………..

1990 Chevrolet Corsica
Condition/ Value
Excellent $725
Good $600
Fair $375

1990 Chevrolet Lumina ( How is this the bigger car but worth even less ???)
Condition/ Value
Excellent $685
Good $525
Fair$338

1990 Honda Accord (still holding its value )
Condition/ Value
Excellent $2,060
Good $1,735
Fair $1,375

So your dream of owning a mint condition 1990 honda accord is going to wait until you get a few more Burger King paychecks huh 1115?

Don’t be stuttering the next time I pull through the drive-thru either 1115.

Awww, poor 1115. Did we make you feel insignificant about your ride again? Sorry. Don’t have your mom call me anymore, OK?

Only people who drive Chevys and Hemis are insignificant so no

Whats wrong mad cuz I provided fact to prove my point and in addition I dont live through my car and rely on it to make life “exciting”
lol Losers

Since the corsica and lumina sold for 2000 less out the door they lost less value than the accord. Maybe not on a percentage basis, but it’s true. Plus that 2000 properly invested over 18 years would be about $5000 today, so whereas the Accord buyer has his $2,060 resale value, the Corsica buyer has $5,725 because he is a “patriot” who understands a bit of finance too.

What 1115 fails to take into consideration is that part costs because of a strong automotive recycling industry affect resale. New or used replacement Starters, Alternators, Rads, Fuel Pump, and Suspension parts are 2-3 times more expensive for the 1990 Accord over the Corsica. An ECU is 4-5 times more expensive.
If you decided to break down your used Corsica or Accord and resale the parts then yes, your Accord is worth more. IMPORT parts cost more$. I’m not saying that 1990 Corsica are anything special, in fact they are pretty ****ty, but a 1990 Accord isn’t a pinnacle of automotive engineering either. Every 1990 Accord I service needs just as much repairs these days as a Corsica in a neighboring stall.

:poke: :poke:

What 1115 fails to realize is, well, almost anything to do with cars! But that happens when one drives a boring old toaster…

Chuckle chuckle chuckle hey if you need your car to be excited then so be it, pathetic yes but hey to each is own
I enjoy the car I drive but I don’t let it define me like yourself and Hemi
Hey umm why don’t you try posting some fact some links anything???
You fail to realize you have to come with some evidence instead of half thought up comebacks that show how reliant you are on your automobile
It burns a little but you can get some life ointment and cure it

Oh please, like we haven’t been through all this before. I post facts, links, etc. You ignore, change the argument, evade. You are a joke. I just enjoy poking at you, and you ALWAYS take the bait. Which of us is more pathetic?

Remember folks, it’s hard not to argue with a fool, but it’s wrong…

What’s wrong about being excited over your car? I get excited over your mom too you know. That’s the problem with most modern cars, there is no excitement.

That’s the problem with people like you, you lack intelligence. Its ok bc the world needs gas station attendants. You are probably one of those idiots drag racing drunk and killing people to get some “excitement”.
There is nothing wrong with having your car excite you but most people rely on life to do that
Injun,
You can’t counter my argument so you basically just repeat what I say to buy time.
I’m sure you will think of something clever to say….or not

Uneducated??? I’m a mechanical engineer dumb@$$. Yeah I like drag racing on the street, it’s retards like you that have to go out to get crap at Wal Mart at 11pm that get in the way while we’re trying to race. You had be wearing the Burger King crown hat when I come in there next time, because at Burger King it’s MY WAY!!! And don’t try pushing me to get the super size if I don’t want it like you did last time or I’ll drop kick you in the head and then laugh like a pirate.

:ding: 1115, your toast is ready!

Yea how dare people actually try and get some shopping done while you are drag racing
Umm Wal mart? That’s where you shop and work Just bc you work in the tire dept doesn’t make you a mechanical engineer ok They gave you a fancy title so you would feel so bad about working there so get over yourself
I think someone who drives a Hemi and lets it define who they are is more likely to wear a BK crown You are such a hick the Blue Collar tour guys tell you to tone it down

Sorry nice try but no

Inj my point is proven once again

:ding: Geez, even your toast is boring. Pick up!

Same old typical BS… your MO never changes… You pick the one tiny little line (that was also dripping with sarcasm) and use that to try to make your argument… while totally dodging any of the other points because you have no way to counter them.

Typical… sad, pathetic, and typical. It’s the same **** over and over and over and over again… and even after all of this time, 99% of everything you say is nothing but pure opinion, with the other 1% being carefully selected factual bits from here and there. Why is it you can never respond to every point directly? Why is it when something is said that there’s no way you can truthfully refute, you either ignore it, change your story, or try to steer the argument to something you think you’re right about? How freaking long have you been here now?? How many countless people have told you you’re full of **** and the points you constantly drone on about (such as resale value) mean absolutely nothing, especially when with regard to something like reliability/durability?

Add that to the fact that you never answer anything about yourself (because it “doesn’t matter”), and it all adds up to the fact that you’re just some little whiney punk who thinks he knows better than everyone else – despite the fact you’ve shown time and time again that you know very little about cars. Reading some publications (most likely Consumer Reports as well) and browsing the internet specifically for whatever information there is to justify your absurd assertions does not an expert make. I also can’t imagine that you’re this thoroughly ignorant and obnoxious in real life when you’re not hiding behind the safety of your little monitor, because if you were – you’d probably be missing quite a few teeth by now.

Okay… so you want to play the “1115 cherry-picking game?” Okay then… how come when I go to Edmunds I can price a ‘90 Camaro IROC-Z convertible, a ‘90 K1500 Silverado LB, and a ‘90 S10 Ext Tahoe LB all around or even higher than a Honda Accord? And that’s not even comparing it to Chevy’s actual flagship car. See folks… it’s really easy to find facts and figures that seem to back up one’s argument when you sift through and cherry-pick the ones you need.

And then we’re going to try and pull the BS that the Accord is a more reliable car because it holds it’s value better. First of all, I highly suggest (if you’re old enough) to go down to your local community college and take a few general economics classes – you might learn a few things (that is if you’re actually capable of learning anything, but that means taking your head out of your ass for at least a little bit.) But more importantly… who the hell really cares if an 18 year old Honda is still worth 12% of its original value and an 18 year old Corsica is “only” worth 9% of its original value? That’s not even counting the fact that pretty much all of that difference is accounted for by the fact that all the parts needed to keep that Honda going cost more, part for part than it did to keep that Corsica running… So the original owner spent more for it when it was new and he and any subsequent owners paid more to keep it running.

You logic, if you can call it that… only makes sense to you. And until you want to start responding to all the points people bring up… you really need to STFU.

And to everyone else… Do you research and challenge him on facts… because he really can’t handle them.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ This should be the Bible for LLN.

AMGolf, we’ve tried facts & figures, we’ve tried logic, we’ve tried mockery, we’ve tried sarcasm, we’ve tried name calling, we’ve tried… Well, I guess we’ve tried everything. She has her opinions, and no amount of evidence is going to change them. Personally, I like torture….

:ding: Boring, white toast is ready. It holds its resale value very well. Pick up!

The toast thing is funny. I think I’ll have a piece when I get off work.

When you walk into a toyonda dealer, the door bell should make that DING sound like a toaster.

inj & HRR… I’m not sure when you guys started actively commenting on LLN as I haven’t been on here in quite a while. But that little douche bag has been spewing literally the same exact drivel ever since he first came to this site – almost word for word.

When anyone says anything contrary to him and then cites sources – those sources are either irrelevant or biased. Prime example – JD Power. I’m not really sure how JD Power could be biased or payed off when for quite a few years they ranked most American makes well below the Japanese and I’m sure they were perfectly fine and unbiased then… but now that we have Buick tied with Lexus at the very top for overall quality… and when we have Cadillacs ranking higher than Hondas – it’s all rigged, biased, or BS.

The little ‘tard changes his story whenever he sees fit… and the worst part is he won’t go away. People have tried everything… even downright ignoring him for a while – which usually dispatches most trolls… but not him, not the uber-troll.

He has absolutely zero grasp of cars, he never has and if anything he’s just getting more and more belligerent and ridiculous with his assertions. Like I said… 99% of the **** he says is nothing but his own misconceived opinions… he’s the only one who can’t see it. The boy has some serious problems…

If you really want to get at him, just stand your ground and say you feel Acura isn’t a full-fledged luxury car maker (which they’re not, they’re a premium car maker)… I found a long time ago that really gets him going…

Ok, I still want some toast though. 1115, lexus’s are absolutely THE most overrated car in the history of the automobile. A drunk monkey with an etcha-sketch could come up with better desings than any lexus. Now go grille me up my Whopper and don’t forget the large Coke.

AMGolf, I didn’t know you were an old timer here! Welcome back! Yeah, we’ve all gone round and round. He’d spout nonsense, someone would counter it, he’d spout something else like that was the point the whole time. I like the uber-troll name!

I giggle whenever I see his name attached to a post now. I remember him going on and on about Toyota being superior to GM. Then Toyota started issuing recall after recall. We went through a period of him posting every recall GM ever had, blasting the media for bias, touting his ‘resale’ prices, etc. Then after so many recalls, he says “I drive a Honda anyway”, and has been on about Honda quality ever since. Now a Honda recall happens, and he does all the EXACT SAME THING! If he had a brain, he’d be dangerous. As it is, it’s pretty fun just abusing him.

The best part? He’ll read this and respond. I fell like I could just recite his next post right here… But that would just diminish the fun I have troll trolling…

I still want some toast though Im sure you have eaten many grilled cheese and or toast sandwiches in your trailer
I always said I drive Honda and i praised both companies for beating the Big 3 at building a better more reliable car
Unlike me exposing Commo I never said I drove a Toyota I just know they are superior to domestics THey recall after recall? two truck recall on the Sequoia and one on the Tundra just to compare GM recalled MILLIONS and Ford recalled their trucks as well and they are supposed to be their best sellers I still havent seen this so called Camry recall No one has provided evidence yet everyone has something to say with no fact to back it up Ive posted link after link in thread after thread proveing what I say on top of the resale value by KBB and Nada
You actually think you abusing me but in order to do that you would have to disprove my point and show me that GM is superior or equal to the Japanese and none of you can do that
Its ashamed that 10 people cant defeat one person I keep posting you keep denying I post links with fact you cry and lie and the saga continues
The facts are with me and the more you deny the more you show how ignorant you are
American pride is something else lol
I laugh at all of you

LOL, see?

:ding: toast is ready!

INJ…

Yeah… it’s been a while since I’ve been on here and I couldn’t believe that the little douche was still here and still saying the same exact ****… it’s uncanny.

I love how he thinks that he constantly “defeats” everyone else when all he posts is nothing but his own opinions. The saddest part is that he can’t even tell the difference between his own opinions and actual facts.

He’ll then accuse everyone of saying things and never providing any proof to what they/we say… even though when we do post a link to something, he always has some pathetic, limp-wristed excuse as to why its not valid.

He’ll drone on and on about the same reasons he THINKS that GM and other domestic sucks like when he constantly cries about things like recalls but then goes and ignores it when there’s a Japanese recall.

So what’s the point of people even posting links to things when he’ll downright refuse to acknowledge them? It’s like arguing with a ****ing 4 year old… or a retard… what’s the point? It’s only possible to have a reasoned discussion with a reasonable person.

Then I love when he accuses others of being ignorant as well… even though he’s shown that he has no clue what the word ignorant even means.

He thinks just because he spends an obsessive amount of time reading about cars, that means that he actually knows about cars.

Every time he posts something which he thinks has “defeated” someone else, all he really does is dig his pathetic hole even deeper. I mean… just look at the latest – He uses KBB as a basis to value cars… no wonder he thinks they’re worth so much! Not even a ****ing monkey would put any stock into the reality of the prices KBB quotes. KBB exists for one reason and one reason only… as a tool dealers use to con unsuspecting, ignorant people like him into paying too much for a car… “Oh.. well, we’ll let you have this Camry for under Blue Book value… it’s a steal!” What a ****ing moron.

You know… I used to think this boy was nothing but a troll who liked to get a rise out of people. But as time’s gone on… I’m seriously beginning to think that he has some actual behavioral/personality/adjustment disorders. He’s shown textbook signs of being totally and completely delusional. He has no sense of right or wrong, no sense of reality, no common sense or humility. He’s incapable of admitting that he’s ever wrong about anything. He shows no sign of being able to rationalize anything… AND he thinks that it’s always everyone else.

I used to get pissed at him… but now, honestly… I think I just feel sad for him.

Why don’t you address the recall information I showed in the links and why don’t you tell me which is more serious Cars catching on fire and injuring people or a Honda recall where water could get on a windshield wiper motor possibly get corroded and possibly cause a fire
GM recalls are mandated by the NHTSA and the Honda recalls cars themselves to be careful and no one was injured Even Korean Hyundai issued the recall themselves and didn’t have to wait until someone was injured to recall their cars and they are smaller companies with less resources
Show me some more evidence more than some Buick study tying with Lexus GM has about 7 more companies and Buick definitely isn’t their best seller as well as no one under 65 drives Buicks therefore the car will outlast the driver
Buick interiors are fairly sinple and things like button are taken into that bull**** JD Power study
If you want to ask the same questions over and over again like a child who cant accept no for an answer fine
Obviously you are hard or learning so I will post and post until you get it

LOL, no one is even talking to you…

:ding: toast is burning…

Well, I’m glad 1115 had time argueing on here over the weekend like a nerd, I sure had fun at Rod Run in Pigeon Forge. Funny how I didn’t see ANY imports there.

Sir, you are wrong. No such thing as a Honda in “Good” or “Fair” condition.

1990 Honda Accord (still holding its value )
Condition/ Value
Excellent $29,060

“I drive Honda and i praised both companies for beating the Big 3 at building a better more reliable car.”

No, sir, Honda dosn’t just beat the big 3 at building a better more reliable car. It beats everybody at building a better more reliable car.
Buick. Benz. Toyota. Ferarri.

I just read some of the previous comments for the first time and to post some “3rd party research” that I posted earlier on lln

I just checked out some recall data and found some very interesting information. The 2007 accord has had zero recalls. The 2006 accord had 4 recalls and 1 owners manual recall(not a real recall). The 2005 accord has 10 recalls. The 2004 accord has 9 recalls. The 2003 accord has 8 recalls.
The 2007 Camry had 1, the 2006 had 1 owners manual recall(not a real recall), 2005 had 1, 2004 had 2, 2003 had 1 and the 2002 model had 3 recalls.
the Fusion since it’s inception has yet to receive a single recall.
Please feel free to draw your own conclusions.

Source http://www.autorecalls.us
Comment by Bubs Solo, posted on April22 at 11:27 am

Correction 9 recalls now on the 2003 Honda Accord/current Chrysler Sebring/2000 Ford Focus.

Bubs, you must be mistaken…

:ding: Toast is up!

LOL, I’m starting to have trouble finding this story. The Honda avatar is just so boring I keep missing it!

I’m seriously beginning to think that he has some actual behavioral/personality/adjustment disorders. He’s shown textbook signs of being totally and completely delusional. He has no sense of right or wrong, no sense of reality, no common sense or humility
HMM Im the delusional one ?
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/1403717-post22.html

oo… a recall from Honda… that can’t be… not from Honda, they don’t do anything wrong… just like they would never purposely calibrate their odometers wrong so to rack up supposed excess mileage which would void warranties early and screw millions of people… No, I can’t believe it… I won’t believe it.
HUH ?