congrats Honda

JD Power is “pay for play” according to our resident hondatard.

LOL….

Honda is a better choice than Toyota.

No worries everyone. According to the wise and powerful tripleonefive J.D. Powers is not “a source,” so this means nothing. We all know Honda does not even make safe cars. I mean, their side impact airbags will not even deploy in a side impact collision. So yeah, J.D. Powers is totally wrong.

Well like I said JD is pay for play and this means nothings Its customer retention anyway But if you were to look at the J2 resale and reliability rating on KBB or NADA then you will see why they are better than the D3
LWP still trying to come back with a better one than your sister giving head and being the driver …We all know that (and its proven fact ) Honda and Toyota make the best cars when compared to anything from detroit

I personally think Honda is the better car but at this point their only competition is Toyota and maybe Hyundai

Oh man, it just got hilarious in here. Does anyone believe anything tripleonefive says? Anyone who is not tripleonefive creating more screenames, so he can pretend people care? At the end of the day tripleonefive cannot bring himself to admit there are any categories where American car companies are at least the equal of their Japanese equivalents. The only explanation? Tripleonefive is ethnocentric. Thank God some of us have evolved beyond racism. Too bad tripleonefive has not. He will, undoubtably take a few more stabs at my sister, but we all know what a poor sad little man he is. Racists, like tripleonefive, are relics of the past who have not yet realized their antiquity.

Lets face it, tripleonefive has no response because Honda made a 2008 Civic whose safety features DID NOT WORK. He cannot respond because that is a FACT (his favorite and overused, but misunderstood, phrase). So, since Hondas are not safe, but tripleonefive is in love with them, he has to attack my sister. Brilliant move Bobby . . .

p.s. Checkmate Bobby.

The Sheeple have spoken…

Some brands with lower than expected retention rates:
VW — 39.7%
Infiniti — 37.9%
Audi — 37.2%
Mazda — 30.7%
MINI — 29.3%
Pontiac — 27.2%

When there is proof that D3 make cars that are equal I will admit it but that wont be for another 10 or so years
YOu try and call me a racist bc you cant prove your point lol Wont work and its lame and the sad part is you know it
Your sister should have taken driving lessons and one idiot crashing her Honda due to sexual promiscuity doesnt make Honda cars unsafe ..it does make sex with your sister unsafe though
Im in love with no machine but I prefer ones that are reliable and have high resale values and D3 cars dont have those qualities
If When they do they should be considered until then they are crap
Thanks Larry

Honda kicks ass. But not as much as it could if it wanted to. Stop building blandmobiles, people have no idea how bad ass the S2000 is. Make a whole series of cars as hardcore as that one.

Get that racing tech out on the street. Show the world what you actually can do.

Only a few other companies have racing abilities as good as Honda, (Ferrari…BMW…Renault) plus bikes and jet planes.

“Does anyone believe anything tripleonefive says?” I have to admit that I believed him when he said his sister was giving him head, but other than that…

Again, like I always say, “better” means different things to different people. Some people prefer power, others prefer reliability, others comfort, and others (LionWithoutPride) prefer safety. When a car excels in one area, chances are that it has problems in other areas. I don’t think there is a car that has 100% of everything perfect. And I don’t believe any auto manufacturer is even close to having a perfect car. I do believe that there are more people that prefer reliability, fuel mileage, price and just basic A-B transportation than anything else, but that doesn’t mean a car’s better. More people eat at McDonald’s than just about anywhere else, and more people return to McDonald’s than just about anywhere else. But that doesn’t make them “better” than your local gourmet burger house.

Oh, and LionWithoutPride, Honda also had some front wheels that would fall off while driving, too…

I have nothing against honda, but i could care less about any statements/awards that come from JD sh!t POWER!!! there statements really have no meaning besides stating the obvious and does not prove what car company is actually better. From our experience, the same gm dealers will not even try to get you to keep buying gm cars by giving you more incentives. honda/toyota/nissan and many other foreign competitors on the other hand, are willing to go out of their way to make sure they keep a customer for life! We have had a couple of Honda’s because they have given us more incentive than just the crap “gm owner loyalty” that gets put back in to the final price. I am on my second vw, my first was a 2005.5 new jetta, and now a 2008 passat. These days, you have to have more than just a good car to sell them. you need to have a great customer service like honda and toyota. thats what keeps people coming in, and that(in my opinion) is what is shown by this new study released by JD.
Although i am not a fan of VW service(snobby little b!tches), i think their cars(new) have that German handling characteristic that i have not found on any thing else besides other German cars. thats why i am on my second.

IMO, this is my list of the best overall car list. 1st is best. this isn’t just what lasts the longest. it is what has the most appeal, handling, performance, and style all together.
Infiniti, bmw, lexus, porsche, audi, kia(just kidding:), mercedes, vw, acura, toyota(no base models), honda(no base models), subaru(no base models). but this is how i see them. and of course, you can tell infiniti is my favorite especially because of the new g37 sedan and the new fx!

Oh, and Beat, GM has trucks that set a house on fire …a Vette that had a roof fly off and the Cobalt had failing safety equipment

honda’s are great cars, they deserve it, toyota has gonna WAY down in the past couple of years just like Mercedes.

JD Power can suck on the end of my hockey stick and choke on the tape, but since this is one statistic they can’t twist like a bad Steven King novel congrats to Honda. I ride a Honda and I know I would not hesitate to buy another of their bikes.

sorry… Stephen King, like anyone gives a sh*t.

Congrats Honda, you earned and deserve it.

The absolute smartest car company around. Well done.

idrinorbarsaku
If you do some “due dilligence”, JDPower also does Sales/Service experience surveys, and Toyota & Honda are regularly bottom-feeders in those contests

People don’t buy them because they get treated well, or they get the price they want.

Toyota and Honda owners usually HATE they dealership and the service department

They just like (or love) the car they bought. It does exactly what they were told it will do, usually by a friend or family member. It’s not magic, allthough it can seem that way

It maybe science
DrFill

HONDA #1

They are the best

DrFill.
thats exactly why i said i could care less what DJ says! I go by personally experience that my family and close friends that we have all had and we always have nice things to say about toyota/honda/ and others like lexus. we all have fallen under the same agreement that domestics have a bit worse dealer care for customers. You can’t just base decisions based on writings, you have to base them on personal experience. we have NEVER been to a ford, chevy, gmc, or ANY other domestic car dealer without feeling pressured to get more options/ a more expensive car. I don’t even want to start with their stop-in-service. I’m not trying to be mean against our big 3 because i hope they some day take over all other car companies, but this is how it has been for the dealers in my area. I have never had such a great experience as we had when we got the 08 lexus IS 250…just two words describe it…UNBELIEVABLY AMAZING!

I’m not gonna go into the fanboy discussion of which brand is the best blah blah but I’d have to say the new Fit and City really didn’t impress me. Actually everyone’s comment regarding the cheap interior material and overpricing is echoed throughout the industry. It’s just that maybe in US the competition is still a lot worse with the domestics around. But personally I wouldn’t buy another Honda for personal use unless it’s the AWD 3.7 TL. Ugly but nice car regardless…

I wouldn’t expect good (or great) sales/customer service at ANY non-luxury dealer, foreign or domestic!

This survey is important to me because I believe people have MUCH higher expectations of Hondas and Toyota than they do the Broke 3 vehicles.

This tells me Honda and Toyota regularly exceed their lofty reputations and expectations, according to customer’s wallets, the survey that counts the most
DrFill

Nobody expects fancy interiors at that price point. They still run finer than the rest.

Nobody cares what you think about the US domestics, why don’t you sit by the phone and wait for them to call for advice.

thats true DrFill, their expectations are very high compared to the rest, and the fact that their are first shows that they are succeeding

*they*

JD Power kills puppys and pokes holes in the ozone layer

Why do you people even acknowledge the retard that is 1115…just ignore the douchebag. by the way, does anyone heer actually own a Toyota?

One item JD Power did not report out, as they have in the past, is what is the corporate retention rate.

i.e. Lexus/Toyota/Scion.

In past years GM has been at the top of the list because many buyers move about the GM marques. The guy buying a GMC truck may purchase a Cadillac as his 2nd vehicle replacing his Buick.

Retention rate by this measure? 0

Retention rate by corporation? 100%

@1115 that just means that the vette has the fastest roof down time of any convertible by the way how’s your prius? You eco hippie a$$hole

It might also be that Honda/Toyota buyers have very very low expectations, and Honda/Toyota are adept at meeting very low expectations, so their retarded customers feel happy and come back for more BS. Domestic buyers expect a lot more, and when some tiny thing goes wrong, they switch to the next guy and see if that is better.

I never denied that GM had some problems. What I’m saying is that Honda is not perfect. In fact, they are far from it. No one is even near perfect. That’s my point.

I’m no fanboy. Don’t put words in my mouth.

Plus I think a big thing in choosing a car is how the basic features that everyone wants is done well. What I mean is that people know how they want their air conditioner controls to work, or how the seat adjusts, or if there is a 12v power source instead of a cigarette lighter. When a company focuses on the simple things and makes them the best they can be as far as look, feel, and location, people tend to like that way better than having a bunch of extra buttons, cup holders, and clutter they don’t want and will never use.

I give Honda a big thumbs up for the achievement. I’ve been in plenty of Hondas in my days (never owning one) and a good friend bought an 09 Fit the week it was released, and I can say the interior was done very well IMO.

mayer_ray_nagin, you are right. Considering that Honda customers have highest education level (used to be Saab & Volvo before change of ownership) all that educated euro trash does not know about cars and all they care about not to buy Broken & Bankrupt 2.6 products.

JD Power is not pay to play. CR, on the other hand, is exactly that. Literally based on the opinions of those who read their magazine, not objective statistics from every source.

DrFill, you wouldn’t expect good (or great) sales/customer service at ANY non-luxury dealer, foreign or domestic because the domestics dealers suck and you think foreign ones suck just the same! With the exception of Mazda/kia/hyundai, other average priced cars have the same buying experience as a luxury dealer. it all starts when you walk into the door. I’m not sure where you live, but the foreign dealers in my area are completely different from any domestic dealer, even Cadillac! We walked into a GMC dealer looking at the Acadia one day. the first thing we noticed was that one of the lights near the door wasn’t working. then the tiles! they were so old and ugly that they looked like someone had vomited so much that it covered the hole sales floor. we left without trying it there. On the same street, there is Lexus. now i know some of you might be saying, “those dealers aren’t the same”, but to me, the cars we are interested in can come from either company. First of all, even the glass on the windows looks different. and when you walk in, you look at yourself to make sure you came with the right clothes on. to think that this place offers a car for the same price as gmc makes you wonder “wtf are they doing over there? and why on earth would i spend my hard earned money at a run down place when i can come over hear, fell good for being inside the dealer, know that the lease will be better because of its depreciation, and they always take care of their customers”

the street that I am talking about has many dealers! Of all of those, they can be placed under 2 categories.
the first one is, run-down looking dealers. These would be GMC(which has actually closed their doors as of a couple of weeks ago), kia, hyundai, chrysler, dodge, cadillac, mazda, ford and other small private dealers. I left Chevy out because the one dealer there just got built and it looks nice! but thats the only chevy dealer that looks incredible, and if we buy a chevy, its probably going to be a suburban from them!

the second is the new look, shiny tiles, luxury amenities to make you feel comfortable being there. this includes Honda, toyota, lexus, acura, vw, bmw, mercedes, jaguar(although IMO, their sales service people can suck a big one), Aston martin/lotus, infiniti.

I don’t think its hard to get the big picture here. i think our domestics need a big change if they want to become better. its like that one saying, if your neighbor is selling his house with a pool for the same price as you are selling yours without a pool, you better out one in fast!

what do you guys think of this?

I have 2 four year old Honda’s for our daily drivers.

They are awesome and reliable. Period.

to that person that asked if anyone has a toyota, we just sold our 22 year old Toyota Cressida with 24X,XXX miles for 2000 bucks!!!!! we bought that car with 44XXX miles and the only problem we had was when a rock hit the radiator, went through it and broke the fan. it came from the bed of a pickup truck. it was one of the loudest noises i have ever heard. ! thats it!!!! this car was unbelievably reliable, idk if there is another toyota out there like that now. it didn’t even have a single rust spot on the body.

A Cressida without rust? Reliable, I’m not surprised. But rust free makes this thing a true anomaly. 80’s Toyota sheetmetal’s greatest love affair was with Oxygen. Their spawn, a rust pile that would never stop.

oldraven, what you are saying is only partially true. All manufacturers switch to corrosion resisted metals and better paint compounds 15-20 years ago. The only non-rusted cars of 80’s were in Arizona, California and other “sunshine” states (or driven by older people during fair weather, otherwise garaged).
Toyota of old were much more reliable then what we got are seeing today (at least in US). This year Toyota was shaken by recalls, and yes, their sales and service staff are complete azzholes (not that Honda much better, but you don’t need to see them). I have 11.5 year old CR-V and it feels much tighter then 2.5 y.o. Pontiac Vibe GT (made by Toyota).

Oh, I didn’t say they were the only ones. I live in Nova Scotia and have seen everything but Saturns and Corvettes rust to pieces. They’re just known for being particularly bad for rust.

I’m not really surprised about the rust on it because at the time when it was REALLY used, my dad always took care of it as he does with all his cars(good thing this habit got passed down to me). we also had a suburban that was always used during winter so when the Cressida did get salty, it would be clean the next day inside the garage.

@ idrinorbarsaku

Interesting comments. I have never heard anyone say they would buy a car from a dealer because the building is shiny. In my experience, service is much more important than flash. But I’m not deriding you, I’m actually enamored with this comment. Maybe I have been missing something…

idr: as someone who has now worked for three different dealerships in the last few months and on different sides of town, i understand what you mean about dealer location and how it looks. First impressions can either make a deal or break it within the first few minutes and if either the salesperson or the dealership looks or acts crappy, you’re probably not buying from them.

The Chevy store I was at, was older, but they always kept it clean and we did the best we could to keep it looking good. Now was it as nice as some of the other newer stores on the block or other new Chevy dealerships in the area, of course not!! The Acura store was only four years old and very nice. And now the VW store I am in is a rat hole, but luckly we are moving into a new building in May ‘09 by the Acura store (same owner). I know I am loosing business being here, but I like the product and know the opportunity will be there when we move the the new location. I don’t know how it is where you live at, but I have to say that 80% of those I have worked with are salesproffesionals I would buy from becaue they are not idiots or jerks. Unfortantley there still are a few out there who give us bad names!

Good luck in your search for a new vehicle and if you go to Chevy again, the Suburban is by far the best Full size SUV out there if you are comfortable with that size. Its a beast, but man is it smooth riding and suprisinly not worse then a Tahoe or Sequia/Armada on gas. Black and Tan was alwasy my favorite in either LTZ or Z71, depending on if you like the luxury/contempory look or the Sporty/Modern look

bradleygt,
we’ve had 2 suburbans in the past, a 1998 Lt fully loaded, blue with grey interior, and a 2003 Lt red metallic with beige interior and every option. i have never missed a car as much as the 2003 suburban we had. i remember skipping class that day because it was getting delivered early in the morning to my local dealer. I actually thought the 2003 was really easy to drive because you can see all around you and judge distances far better than a sedan or something else. After we traded it in, we felt so bad and stuff that we went back to buy our suburban back, but the manager of the dealer had been using it as a personal vehicle and damaged the front bumper(mother f-er!!!!!!).

injunraiv,
i don’t buy cars because the dealer looks shiny, it just so happens that the service and better salesperson relationship happens to be better at these places that have a better environment(best example=LEXUS. We had a great salesperson named Josh at VW when we leased our first VW in 2005. that place was a dump, but we already knew the person there who got us in a 2005.5 jetta loaded at $25000 total sticker for only 125 a month for 36 months with 0 due at signing. sadly though, he went away when the that VW closed down after they built a new one(Ganley sucks!) now he’s with Subaru now:(

I’m sure people know what I am talking about

wow! i had a Honda Civic. Replaced the exhaust twice, Catalytic converter, axles, bumper cover pins. Honda makes the WORST cars. I always see ghetto gangbangers driving them in bright orange, yellow and purple! the windows are black and the base of it nearly drags on the ground. many corollas resemble this too! nothing says “i’m ghetto” like a Honda!

No real surprises. When people like a car, or have a good relationship with a dealer, it’s hard to get them to switch.

Madcapp: “Honda is a better choice than Toyota.” That certainly seems to be the case these days.

tripleonefive: “We all know that (and its proven fact ) Honda and Toyota make the best cars when compared to anything from detroit.” That’s not a fact — it’s a conclusion you came to. Maybe you examined some facts to come to that conclusion?

golf4me: “The Sheeple have spoken…” good one.

Spingood Tanoya: I think some of those with lower than expected retention rates are cases of people falling in love with a particular model and the experience is not equal to the fantasy.

tripleonefive: “When there is proof that D3 make cars that are equal …” There won’t be. There will be more facts, leading to different conclusions, but you can’t “prove” something like this.

“Im in love with no machine but I prefer ones that are reliable and have high resale values.” Like the A8? a

Renton: “Honda kicks ass.” In a way, that’s true.
The S2000 is NOT hardcore.

12/10, 7:34 PMposted by:beatusmongous: “More people eat at McDonald’s than just about anywhere else, and more people return to McDonald’s than just about anywhere else. But that doesn’t make them ‘better’ than your local gourmet burger house.” damn, that’s profound. That’s exactly what this article is.

idrinorbarsaku: “I have nothing against honda.” I won’t say the same. I OWNED one.

“you need to have a great customer service like honda and toyota.” That speaks to the point I made earlier about having a good relationship with a dealer.

RTT10: “honda’s are great cars.” No, they’re not.

johnnycanuck: when gas was $4.61, I considered a couple of hondas, but went with a Kawasaki.

hangonbig3: “The absolute smartest car company around.” Honda is good at thinking long-term. That’s why they didn’t have Behemoths sitting on lots for 344 days, and had Fits flying off the shelves.

anti-believer: “They are the best.” No, they’re not.

idrinorbarsaku: “we have NEVER been to a ford, chevy, gmc, or ANY other domestic car dealer without feeling pressured to get more options/ a more expensive car.” and when that happens, people don’t want to go back.

DrFill: “I believe people have MUCH higher expectations of Hondas and Toyota than they do the Broke 3 vehicles.” I have high expectations of my Buick, but generally, across the board, they’re higher than they’d have been in the ’80s or ’90s

carstuff: “One item JD Power did not report out, as they have in the past, is what is the corporate retention rate.” Good question.My Buick counts as a lost customer for Oldsmobile, though that doesn’t matter as it would had I bought a Pontiac before.
Interesting that chevrolet is so high. Must be all the trucks they sell to people who do actual work.

bradleygt: “Suburban is by far the best Full size SUV out there.” Straight Thuth!

SSEAN54: I, too had a Honda Civic. Worst car i ever owned, but I’m not sure i would say today that Honda makes the worst cars. The fit is a stroke of genius. The new accord/tl has nothing to be ashamed of, and the Oddessy is the second-best minivan.

RTT10: “Honda’s are great cars.” Yes they are.