Comments on: Honda to produce diesel-powered Civic Type-R?

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:05:21 +0000

no **** jack i had my windows down on the car the other day at work and my seats were just covered in ashes. by god dont break a sweat rite now, i feel ya man, i feel dirty constantly rite now.

By: 55amg

55amg — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:44:27 +0000

high revving diesel?

By: jackjimturkey

jackjimturkey — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:46:14 +0000

meanpants: The Honda GL appeals to me. The Civic does not.

cts: I feel like I’ve got a soot-covered face.

By: DeansterTJ

DeansterTJ — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:13:23 +0000

Finally Honda wakes up.

By: A4

A4 — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:49:52 +0000

bring it to the US and ill respect you honda

By: 1c3d0g

1c3d0g — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:08:51 +0000

EGGcellent! Great move, Honda.

By: swamprat

swamprat — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:58:38 +0000

I have heard that this car will be available in the United States in 2023 and will get 25 mpg highway, thanks to U.S Diesel emissions regulations.

By: RicardoHead

RicardoHead — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:13:42 +0000

Autonut I can interchange effortlessly between left- and right-hand steering. Have done it a million times.

By: CA36GTP

CA36GTP — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:49:19 +0000

Diesel development is a defnite plus. But no amount of mechanical progression can take the ugly out of the Civic.

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:27:20 +0000

After LSD you feel no torque whatsoever

By: deutschetouring1337

deutschetouring1337 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:12:19 +0000

Of course it would be fitted with an LSD so torque steer would not be an issue.

By: Z06ified

Z06ified — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:48:29 +0000

That’s a helluva lot of torque for the front wheels! The torque steer must be crazy in that thing. Would be a neat option to have, but I’m sure the U.S. will never see that engine.

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:45:33 +0000

No RIcardo you cant. It is not sold in Mexico and it is Honda. You are not allowed to drive rice crackers! Furthermore, it is British model can you drive stick shift with left hand in opposite traffic direction?

By: Impulsive

Impulsive — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:42:06 +0000

Attractive … to a 16 year old.

In terms of engineering, the diesel wins me over.

By: RicardoHead

RicardoHead — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:00:21 +0000

Can I buy one of these in Mexico and bring it up?

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:19:08 +0000

If it would have half a torque you would not know the difference. Nobody going to pull boat behind Civic. The 1.8L motor in US has less then 130 lbs and most of buyers dilute it with automatic and they still peppy do be bought in huge quantities. I would dream of 1.6L diesel which comes with 170 lbs. If you have good left foot you can start driving in 4th gear and change into 5th at 30 mph.

By: 67_L-88

67_L-88 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:52:38 +0000

WOW!! That’s the first Honda that i actually have a desire to buy. That much torque in a small car, is just simply beautiful.

By: LP640

LP640 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:45:40 +0000

GO EURO CIVIC !

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:39:10 +0000

thank you autonut that is really cool of you, you are a good guy.

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:35:16 +0000

Dude, 90% of diesels sold today in Europe are turbos. There is no reason not to put turbo into diesel engine. The enemy of turbo is heat, but diesel is plenty hot already, so there is no need for a special gasket. You just bot it on, adjust computer and go.

Yes diesels have lower red line, but this is not decrement of the engine, but actually a positive point. The torque peaks in diesel anywhere from 1750 RPM to red line from 3800 to 5000 RPM depending on the model and maker. This makes driving manual diesel a pleasure: passing and changing speed does not require constant gear changes.

Cyclone, US does not dislike hatchbacks, it has few people who buy them . I believe the reason is that US driving public (everybody including Britney and Paris) raised on very quiet cars and expect very high level of quietness. Hatchback exposes rear axle into the passenger compartment and the whole structure is creaky and not as tight as sedan.

CTS, good luck. If fires will spare you the relatives definitely will make you sick with time. But you’ll be a better man for it in the future. Like your neighbor will say “Stay cool, brother”. Also, Ricardo, jjt and ensign will be pleased that it is Toyota burning not Ford/GM/Chrysler. Those don’t burn even in California fires!

By: purdue

purdue — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:31:57 +0000

I love my hatch. It’s a minivan. Two, actually. The smaller, slanted hatches like the above are not as useful as a good old minivan. But for kids, they’re CUTE! Especially girls!

By: Cyclone of Red

Cyclone of Red — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:51:06 +0000

I, also, am confused why the U.S. dislikes hatchbacks so much. I always thought those BMW Z3 hatchbacks were mean looking beasts.

But then again, I grew up with an abnormal fetish for all those early 70s almost-hatchback muscle cars.

And I agree with CTS. Put that Honda in red and it would look mighty fine.

By: deutschetouring1337

deutschetouring1337 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:48:22 +0000

A Hi rev diesel that will be interesting, since even the R10 tops out at only 5000k and most Honda motorsport v8 engines have a rev limit of 10,300k, and even the K20 series 4cylinders can do 10k.

By: jamaicandude

jamaicandude — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:41:18 +0000

autonut:
Yeah, those Audi TDis rock, but they’re turbocharged. I just don’t see Honda doing a turbo’d Type R motor, but I really hope they prove me wrong.

By: deutschetouring1337

deutschetouring1337 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:38:25 +0000

Honda is putting a Diesel in the 09 Accord.

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:30:43 +0000

autonut i am surrounded on 3 sides, i am inbetween the lake arrowhead, san diego and orange/irvine fires. i think i smell a burning toyota and mabey a couple deer, and some dogs and cats.
seriously i have two aunts and uncles with kids who were evacuated from the mountain last nite, i took my cousins in they are in my apartment rite now, the adults are at work rite now, but we think their homes might be gone at this point we wont know for a day or two.
my next door neighbors were displaced by katrina and have been a great help last nite, they are the nicest people in the world and love theit whiteboy neighbor.
i was their first friend in california, so my little corner of the comples are basiclly evacuees of something rite now.
the whole sky is orange today and the smoke smell is just nausiating but i still crave some BBQ, mabey i can find some roasted dog later.

By: jonnycat

jonnycat — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:23:59 +0000

Hatchbacks, especially in this case, are far superior than coupes. I don’t know why they don’t sell here. I guess everybody likes tight fits through narrow holes when putting junk in the trunk. Persoanlly that’s a trait best found in women, not cars.

By: meanpants555

meanpants555 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:31:52 +0000

Diesels are coming in all shapes and sizes, get used to it. I love the idea of a Honda with torque; it finally makes them marque appeal to me.

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:29:03 +0000

Yep, Audi won Le Mans (twice I think) with diesel engine. Fast enough for you? It makes perfect sense, because the beauty of diesel is in precision manufacturing. What defines high performance engine? Precision (well in my simple mind at least). Those concepts fit into R type Civic (almost rimes with Fit, but no cigar)

By: jamaicandude

jamaicandude — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:23:06 +0000

The words “diesel” and “Type R” don’t seem to belong in the same sentence. I have no doubt that they’d be developing a higher performance diesel engine, but I doubt they’d ever call it a full-blown Type R… maybe a Civic Euro R? Honda has always been very choosy on which platforms to give the Type R treatment. They haven’t even done an S2000 Type R.
That aside, it’d be nice to see a high performance naturally aspirated diesel. I don’t think that’s ever been done before… anybody know of any instances?

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:12:13 +0000

Astra is 4-5 years old model, this Civic is in the second year. Astra is not a better car then Civic, according to British press. Have to drive both to compare, so I reserver the judgment. What we need or not is market decision. If Astra will sell well, we may actually see other coupes competing in the segment including this one. If it does not set the world on fire, well the hatches is not American forte.

By: buenos

buenos — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:11:08 +0000

Perhaps this isn’t the right place to ask, but why is there such an aversion to hatchbacks in North America?

By: Commodore

Commodore — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:07:46 +0000

I like the coupe better than the hatch. Besides, we already have one of the hottest hatches in the world – the Astra – we don’t need to have this (I’d like a Euro Focus though).

By: autonut

autonut — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:50:43 +0000

I would be pleasantly surprised to see hatchback in states. Unfortunately they don’t sell, ergo it will not be here. Let’s pray that at least any diesel in any shape pr form will get here into any car. Can you imagine 315 lbs or torque in a car? This is Hemi and ‘Vette territory.

CTS, did you roasted some nuts or you are away from fires?

By: R1GHT30U5

R1GHT30U5 — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:44:41 +0000

I am sure we wont be seeing this one in the USA either.