Looks pretty amazing!!! And the car’s not half-bad either!

pretty impressive…nice character line, nice interior, should be very competitive…i wanted to get this in before the ridiculous hyundai hate starts…

Gee, you think they’re going after the Camry here? Even in its debut they’re showing it off in refrigerator white.

Looks very nice. Rear fascia looks very similar to the current 5-series…not necessarily a bad thing! I like the black roof and HVAC controls too.

Good job.

Definitely a follow-up to boring Camry.

Come on Johnny! On a car that has these kind of lines and character, pearl white does the best job to promote the details in a car. I personally am a big fan of the color, if it wasn’t considered such a chick color over here where it’s seen as a sports car color in Japan, I’d own a pearl car! Oh well, that silver is amazing too, great job overall! Awesome!

Wow.

This IS amazing. Yes, it’s a bit aggressive in design for those who are used to the vanilla of the Camry, and dare I say the Accord even, but they’ll have to get over it.

I’m sure this will be priced to compete with the others, but will offer much more bang.

I might even buy it.

-cereal

Another stolen, (ahem I mean ‘inspired’ cough, cough,) design by Hyundai. Hello Camry/Lexus ES how are you today? At least they’re consistent, along with Kia (if not original)…..

Very sexy! This blows away the Accord and Camry *YAWN*

Nice looking upscale interior but the exterior is a Korean ripoff of the previous Lexus ES. Why try to duplicate an old stale design. Hyundai could/should have done better. Progress rather than retread

GM and Toyota,

Just give up now. This is awesome. The Belt molding coming into the headlamp is sweet. NIce bodyside, nice rear end. Delish.

Only 250 hp in the V-6? I suppose we’ve been spoiled with about 270 hp in Camrys, Altimas, Accords, and 6s.

Very, very impressive so far, Hyundai. Make the Genesis look like this by the way.

it’s nice, Hey it’s a Sonata.
Hyundai is doing a good job.
I am curios to see the next generation Genesis. I hope they will improve the design, specially the interior.

90% is really good for the segment. That’s far better than Toyota or Honda can say.

The front end is too exagerated and busy for my liking. Too many things going on there. Plus, though not as bad as Toyonda, they are doing that lame etruding headlamp gimmick to a degree. That clutter drives me nuts There’s a bit of it going on with the taillamps in the #5 pic (gray car, chicks in black/white cow prints). It looks lumpy and discontinuous.

I feel sorry for the chicks in the blue&black star trek alien dresses. Must suck to dress down like that for the sake of promoting a sonata.

Jake, I don’t know about the pearl paint but do you think one those models might be interested in a matching necklace?

mm, i see too much of the new fiesta in the front end. all those lines leading towards the nose of the car, well at least its better then some of kia’s past offerings

Anybody else see a direct copy of the last-generation ES300?
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bueller?
DrFill

You know… Hyundai is way up there on the reliability charts… they’re producing good designs. They have a RWD V6 sport compact car. They’re really the new Honda… I even had to stop making fun of the people that drive them…

This looks better than the last generation ES300… anyway to continue my post from above, they’re even made in the US. They really are the new Honda, lol.

Hey guys, seriously, the front & back design, reminds me of Camry Solara

And the Navigation LCD reminds me of Nissan/Infiniti

What’s going to be even more amazing is how full your wallet will feel when you’re done buying this car compared to a Honda Accord or much of the rest of the competition.

However, what isn’t stated is, will there be a manual option, if if there is, will it be a lame one like now where only the base, bare bones car is offered with it?

Aesir
Except they don’t have the guts, the heart, the brains, to be what they wanna be (Lexus)
If you wanna make Genesis and Equus, and Sonatas that look like Lexus, then grow a pair and be a luxury car maker
Honda did it
Nissan, Toyota
But Hyundai is deathly afraid of failure

The best way to fail
Is to not even try
Congrats on setting yourself apart
The one maker who can’t grow up
And is afraid of their own shadow
Good job!
DrFill

this car dose not look like the Camry or Lexus, it looks more sporty then then most midsized sedans that are out now. the grill it a little large (head lights a bit streched tooo) for me but still better then most. I would not be suprised to see 185-195hp from a direct inject 4cyl with goodt torque too. witch will be better then any 4 in a midsized non tuboed sedan. it will also probaly priced 1 or 2k less then most to hyundai is blazeing a head, they are a car compony to fear, probaly will be put some serious hurt in toyota in the near future. it dose not look like they copied any one or it a real strech to say then did. and if there 2.3L v6 put out 249hp there 3.5 going to put out i would think more then 1hp more.

Wow Johnny!!!! ZIng times 10!!!!

I don’t see how this is compared to a last gen ES, at all. Maybe some current ES looks, but honestly, it’s about as original design you can get these days. The CC looks as good as this, and so does the Mazda6 (one of those is probably my next car), but honestly, this is a great car.

Pearl necklace *giggly voice*

Id like to see this car in the flesh…

For those of you who conveniently forget 350k Lexus ES on the road, here is a reminder:
http://www.edmunds.com/flipper/do/MediaNav/make=lexus/model=es330/year=2004/photoId=6460/firstNav=Gallery
DrFill

This looks awful. Look at that headlight. it will keep owner interest in less than 6 months. I’m sure this car is not comfortable at all, not even reliable. Stop comparing to Lexus, Lexus is a true classyand comfortable.

@DrFill. ok. I know what u mean. but This car has nothing worth comparing with Lexus. This is the real crap.

Looks like they took a Camry and added creases/swooping lines. Which is odd, because that’s like trying to get inspiration for a beautiful painting from a pile a horse sh*t. However, to Hyundai’s defense the “masses” seem to enjoy buying those bland appliances from Toyota so why not to cash in as well?

Hello last gen camry/Lexus ES , please meet the VW CC.
Yes the car looks nice, but I dont have respect for a company whose every model looks like a knock-off of something else.

Yes my pocket would fill fuller, but if I bought a Camry or Accord I wont have to worry about the above or buying another car for at least 15 years. (If I decide to keep it that long)

Huyndai is most definitely on to something, but like someone else said until they grow some, don’t count me in.

Bad taste prevails today, I see. This thing looks quite bad, at least in these photos. At the very best, it’s a cacophony of too many swooshy lines and bulging creases, overly elongated lights, all enveloped in the increasingly trendy overarching swoopy roof line.

Probably going to be a good car nevertheless.

And what’s up with the ill-fitting garb on the models? Sex sells, and the dresses are anything but sexy.

ASIMO, it’s called class. If you want skank, go to a Lambo showing.

I must say this is highly impressive for the mainstream brand. They are quickly pulling from the amusing category straight to the worthy contenders in the market. The last Sonata was a successful attempt and this is even more stunning, Although There is heavy influences in the design straight from the CLS/CC and the interior from the Lexus’. Within a few years, they will be in Toyota’s comfy seat, or perhaps, months? Hyundai is stepping up fast and with the attitude to take on the Germans as well. I wish you guys at Hyundai the best of luck. Or is it simply the fact that they hired the lead design chief from Mercedes? Whatever the case, they are taking no prisoners.

looks fine to me, hyandai typically copies others, but that is not all bad. its a toyota on the outside and a nissan on the inside. it all works i guess, this isnt supposed to be an exciting car and its not, but neither is the malibu, accord, camry, or altima, although i like the look of the altima the most.

DrFill thinks Toyota is the creator of the modern sedan design, and that every good looking sedan is a Lexus knock-off.
Current Lexus ES looks at least 10 years older then this car, nothing to say about the last generation.

How about starting a ranking of the best looking non-luxury midsize sedans? My ranking:

1. Hyundai Sonata
2. Opel Insignia
3. Mazda6

eh…..its way too busy. It almost makes me like the simplicity of the Camry. This car is trying to do too much. Also as good as the Koreans are getting it PISSES ME OFF that they are THE MOST UNORIGNIAL BASTARDS IN THE BIZZ!!!! Hyundai Genesis looks like a hodge podge of every other big lux car on the market, the Kia Forte–im suprised they didnt get sued by Honda for blatantly copying the civic, and now this Camry gone bad with a cheap ass attempt at Nissan/Infiniti/Volvo interior. Im sure it will be a great car and so on and so forth but dammit when did cars become appliances? when they used to be modern day art forms that pulled on the heart strings and created memories that lasted life times?

There are design cues that I dislike but I must say it’s an impressive car overall. The interior looks like it’s on warp speed. Not bad.

Also have you noticed how at least the last 3 generations of Sonata dont resemble any thing like each other. Don’t even look like they came from the same company. That’s because they do not have their own identity and are always looking to be like something else.

uhhhhhhh, that grille is something, and they call the Crosstour’s ugly. Those model dresses. These girls look better than the Lambo’s showing ones. But those dresses, that don’t spell class to me.

great interior, going to be a big seller next year.
200hp 4cyl, nice..

Another forum successfully turned against Hyundai
I am good!

Brazilian
Toyota didn’t invent the modern sedan
They invented the SUCCESSFUL modern sedan
Thank you very much

I see one company is clumsily trying to learn from their example
DrFill

Great Lexus ES knock off… They are only doing to Toyota & the bunch what Toyota used to do 10 years ago (copy the Germans’)

is dr.fill and cino a couple. they think so alike. if they live in mass. they can get married.

@DrFill -

Quit smoking whatever it is you are, because you sound like you are on crack. Seriously. Toyota’s designs are both uneventful in their sedans, and can’t be even compared to the creativity that Hyundai is showing with this sedan. I honestly think you know it too, but you’re covering up your true emotions because a world full of Hyundais scares you. Well, prepared to be scared because this just outdone Toyota and Honda at their own game.

^^ WRITEEDDIE

oh really? so why does the back of the E-class look like the back of the current sonata? looks like the opposite of what the german cars and hyundai are what you call copying.

On a side note – this thing has a built in ionizer? That’s the first time I think I’ve seen that in any car, let alone a mass produced model. Props to Hyundai.

Sorry DrFILL

looks nothing like the old lexus ES .. try again.

genesis, i agree. this is kind of the anti-toyota. the interior is to nice to be compared to a camry. well its nice to know that dr.filled with crap thinks this a lexus knock off. its half the price for same damn thing then. maybe its the lexus for people under the age of 65.

this thread hasn’t turned against hyundai in the slightest, most of the comments are positive…

there are, however, several threads that have turned against you personally

^^ word.
dr.filled with crap has no friends. so he tries to piss people off by making ignorant comments to get some response. he seems a little worried about this car.

ALS
I’m not your friend

If Hyundai had any guts, I’d be worried
But……..

This design shows me they don’t know the market
But I knew that already
DrFill

LEXUS WILL FAIL, HYUNDAI WILL KICK A$$…jeez i said it………

…………………………………………….. Methinx DrFool doth protest too much.

DrFill –

Since when did Toyota have guts with their bread and butter sedans? You are faulting (which you are wrong btw) Hyundai for being TOO CONSERVATIVE yet fight for a company who’s never been anything BUT conservative on their Camry. Give me a break!

toyota is so middle of the road. not guts no balls nothing to offer except boring lazy generic walmart sedans. grandma autos.
i ‘m not in love with hyundai. i just like to face the facts. the biggest balls in the past 5 years is hyundai. they have more up to date cars, with more style then toyota has had in 20 years. this new sonata blows every toyota out of the water when it comes to standard features and interior design.
dr.filled with crap is way to worried about this car..
its ok, you can still have your boring camry, its not going bye bye like your thought process is on auto’s outside of toyota land.

Interior can be easily confused with my Mrs. Accord. Same fallopian tubes motive (not Mrs. her Accord and this Sonata).

looks great to me! but only one thing i dislike about it is its busy front fascia…

Looks like a Mazda6 without all the estrogen and eye-liner

its probably one of those cars that look better in person, pictures don’t do it justice. well we hope atleast. if it has cool seats an on option. its over.. this will be the best sedan for the money, hands down.

>How about starting a ranking of the best looking non-luxury midsize sedans? My ranking:

1. Hyundai Sonata
2. Opel Insignia
3. Mazda6<

My ranking:
1. Opel Insignia
2. Chevy Malibu
3. Mazda 6

4. Ford Fusion
5. Ford Taurus
6. VW CC
7. Honda Accord
8. Hyundai Sonata
9. Camry

1.vw cc
2.ford fusion
3.hyundai sonata
4.mazda 6
5.nissan altima
6.honda accord
7.chevy malibu
8.camry
9.kia optima
10. dodge charger

If I was in the market I would highly consider this car, I like the front a lot, not your typical sedan, in a good way. @ Elvacano: I own a 2004 Sonata, and I’m glad it doesn’t look anything like that, change is good.

I think Camry is looking good. It reminds me of FT-HS concept. Sonata did not remind me anything. Altima also remind me of the old Z.

Yes, the exterior is a bit derivative of other marques, but it still looks good. The interior, however, looks fantastic!

@ masteryoda

Why does that piss you off? Its not like you have any personal affiliation with these car companies. Nor do you any eyes for that matter.

Unoriginal car maker? Have you seen what the Chinese have been putting out? You really want to talk about unoriginal?

“Evoking emotion and pulling at the hearts” in a family sedan? Whatever your smoking, let me have some. Praise Hyundai for at least trying to push the envelope by designing a 4 door coupe for the bread-and-butter hyper-competitive family sedan. They have balls to even think about doing that but they’ve actually pulled it off.

cino- maybe you and dr.filled with crap need to get a room. you two and the love of the camry is one of the saddest things iv’e heard in a long time. to actually have a passion for the camry could be some kind of disorder. its like loving a rent a car.
this blog was actually about the sonota. not about the douche camry and old man lexus brand.

Jake
I guess you don’t know the meaning of “Bread and butter”
Moving on…….

Smegley
I have nothing to protest
Hyundai took too big a swing at a conservative segemnt
I’m happy with this turn of events
Hyundai’s lack of market knowledge proceeds itself

ALS
You need a basket
Because you’re a basket case

Evants
Mazda 6 is a pretty aggressive design for this market
How’s it doing?
Why would a Hyundai sell any better than the Mazda?
DrFill

The thing about Hyundai is they set out to do one thing and it was the perfect time to do it. They wanted to do to Toyota what Toyota did to this country. They are beating them at there own game, has anyone taken a real good objective look at Toyota’s interiors in all there cars built here, they are worse than GM and Ford from 10 years ago, mis alighned panels interior fit and finish is just the beginning of the decline. If these cars are left to leave the factories looking this way it won’t be long before Hyundia is gaining huge share. The sad thing is and I hate to say this but since Toyota started building most of there cars here and are built by UAW workers there has been a DRAMATIC decline in there quality and there recalls have grown two fold. If GM does this revamp right they just might be a player again because Toyota is sliding.

gonfishn– i have thought the same thing. but, it was not about he uaw workers. i thought the toyota plants in the states were free of the uaw. does anybody actually know the answer to this?

Sweeeet mother goose, how can someone not see the resemblance to the last generation ES/Camry front end?

Jakekk, if there was any creativity coming from Hyundai, we wouldnt be having this debate.

writeeddie: How exactly did Toyota copy the germans 10 years ago?

You can all hate Toyota all you want, I’m not defending their designs, yes they are a little bland, but havent you noticed how they are still kicking ass in sales, which means their customers dont care about their “bland” designs.

My ranking based on what I drove

1. Accord
2. Impala
3. Passat
4. Outback
5. Malibu
6. Aura
7. Altima
8. Camry
9. Fusion
10 Hyundai Sonata (not this one, the one rental companies have)

All of the above were 4 cylinders, except Impala – it comes only as V6.

@ Elvacano
Those people are loyal buyers…
I’m sure that you have heard the phrase “loyal Camry/Accord buyers”…

Hyundai would be nowhere if the US didn’t let the Koreans cheat on exchange rates. They undervalue their currency by about almost 40 percent which gives them a huge advantage on pricing. You can basically get 40 percent more car for the same price. I hope Obama/Geitner/Summers will slam them and the Chinese for the sake of this country.

I hate to say it.. but my favorite part is the little stylized chrome strip across the trunklid connecting the white part of the taillamps.. amazing what a nicely shaped, tastefully sized piece of bling can do to dress up an otherwise bland rear end (Jaguar XJ, please take note!).

I would say most people who buy Toyota buy by brand name and don’t give much thought in to there car. they know it as the most reliable brand. Lately Toyota has been slipping in quality there not bad but there not leading like they used to. there cars are all boring toyota and most car companies should watch out, i fear what Hyundai may do.

And why would Hyundai lunch a luxury brand in this economy?

and the 1996 Camry copied the 1994-1997 accord, then from 1998-2001 they look identical but Honda that time

I will tell you this my aunt has the current gen sonata nice car but not for me it’s a little boring stylistically! This sum Bitch on the other hand is a nice interpretation of a sedan with coupe lines from a car company that will sell these puppies at 23K nicely equipped compared to a 40K car! Perspective my friends for what this car is the market it will reach and the coin you will need to drop( or lack there of) it far exceeds most in the segment.

johnny- that was a great one!
jake- white is actually the best color to hide bad body work.

And why would Hyundai lunch a luxury brand in this economy?

If Hyundai had a brian, they would!
Why?

Because NO ONE is selling luxury cars in any great numbers
Even Lexus and Mercedes are down 30%
If you don’t sell, it’s expected

Everybody is looking to cost-cut, buy for less, seek value
Now is the time to position yourself as an alternative
But you can’t use the Hyundai name for luxury cars
Hyundai name still isn’t worth anything
They are struggling to use it for mass market cars

Lexus’ inception was perfect in it’s timing
The nation was heading into a recession
And $50-60k for S-Class that really weren’t that good left an opening in the market
Once Lexus had the ES and SC on the market, they wrote their ticket

IF Hyundai were smart, they’d take this new Sonata, and market it as the Lexus ES competitor
Take the Genesis and sell it as a 5-series competitor
And the Equus as the LS/S-Class
And spin off a more luxurious Genesis coupe as a luxury coupe/G37

They have the product
They Just have no vision
No brains
No guts!

Do what Lexus did 20 years ago
Build 75 dealers nationwide
The media would EAT IT UP
Is this the next Lexus?
20 years later?
With the internet, they could get a buzz even faster than Lexus did
The media is looking for the next Lexus
They could actually ride Lexus’ coattails right into a successful franchise
Just because they tried, and followed the steps to success

There is a blueprint for success
Hyundai needs to learn how to read
Dopes!

They act like losers
So I treat them as such
Don’t believe in themselves
So why should I?
DrFill

doubt that was worth reading

but it is interesting a hyundai thread can generate 80 posts…the car will sell, and hyundai is kicking ass as a company…they still have the buzz, obviously…

Hyundai thread = a walk down Jabroni drive

I really should get back to my big house, on the nice side of town
DrFill

Not liking it. Sorry try again.
I like the tail lights and the interior, but that’s it.

This car looks beautiful. It makes the Camry, Accord and Altima look 10 years outdated. I think Hyundai is really becoming a serious contender.

This car supplants its own category moving the stakes far higher in the family sedan class. This car will be is extremely successful.

dr.filled with crap just wrote a thesis.
dr.filled you don’t be so damn worried. the sonota is just a car, don’t take it personal. people will always love the junk that toyota is producing
you and cino need to meet at the local starbucks for a cup of coffee to discuss your issues and insecurities with hyundai.
or maybe just go sell them to understand that they are making a better car right now over the toyota.

ALS
As long as people like you are in Hyundai’s corner
Toyota’s crown is oh so safe
Tootles!
DrFill

@Pauly

Seems like you dont know how the currency market works.

There is an INCREASE in demand for the dollar and a DECREASE in demand for the won. That is why the value of the won is decreasing. Simple macroeconomics 101. It seems like your taking things a little too personally here. Perhaps a refresh of macroeconomics from college should open your eyes of how things really work.

Continued from above…

Because the value of the won is decreasing, you can get more wons for every $1 dollar.

The south korean government has nothing to do with supply and demand. It is controlled by the “invisible hand”. If you dont know what the means, look it up.

I think Pauly was referring to tariffs for US automotive products that Korea imposed in the past. However, all US manufacturers went around S. Korean tariffs by acquiring Korean companies: Ford aligned itself with Kia and GM bought Daewoo outright.

Why would they launch a luxury brand if their cars actually cost less than most non-luxury cars? I think it´s much better for the Sonata to keep beeing compared to cars like the Accord, and smash them in any comparison.
In the same way, they should stop forcing comparisons of the Genesis with the germans and compare it with similar priced cars (like the Taurus and the 300) to show how much better it is.

This seems like a nice car but I am more concerned with the fit and finish. Hyundai uses terrible materials and puts them together terribly. I know a lot of people like the Genesis but having some seat time in it, it has terrible build and material quality. It looks like a $30,000 car but doesn’t “feel” like a $30,000 car. I hope that this new Sonata can change that for Hyundai. I never even minded the old Sonata. It was decently quick too (under 7.0 to 60). I still don’t think I could buy a Hyundai though. Not yet at least. I will pay a bit more and get a VW or something with a bit better/best build and material quality in it’s class.

Easily said, “you get what you pay for” Cars are no different.

Brazilian
You are right
But…..these are issues Hyundai has made
THEY bring up Lexus and other cars they aren’t ready to mess with

If they want to make luxury cars……….
Make luxury cars
Grow a pair and do it right!

Anybody with half a brain won’t throw $35k+ into a Hyundai
For what?
DrFill

@TornadogTI your quote: “This seems like a nice car but I am more concerned with the fit and finish. Hyundai uses terrible materials and puts them together terribly.”

Now that’s a really an “accurate” statement. NOT! Reality check: Consumerreports.org; Motortrend.com, Cars.com, J.D. Powers and Associates all disagree with you or should I say proves that your statement lacks not only integrity but any semblance of truth.

The Genesis which you cited in your error filled rant received the prestigious North American Car of The Year award not only in the U.S. but also in Canada.

All the experts and sources mentioned above must know less about cars than you do. NOT!

Congratulations Doc, you’ve just reached double digits for posts on a Hyundai thread. This officially qualifies you for their paranoia sweepstakes and a chance to win a new Sonata. Just come down and test drive any new Hyundai and right now they’ll give you an extra $1,000 for that 1982 Tercel your mother gave you after she ponied up for the ‘88 Corolla. C’mon Doc, there’s only 5 posts left until we hit 100. Show Hyundai just how worried Toyota’s number one fanboy really is!

John
Come on, John
You’re better than that!

From the picture above, I have absolutely nothing to worry about
I’m trying to get you to bask in my glow
I’m beaming!
This is the final nail in Hyundai’s coffin!

Between this mess-terpiece, the level of mismanagement, and the support from the town mush, ALS
Hyundai should be Chrysler-broke by 2015

Can you feel the excitement?
DrFill

Looks great. This will give Honda and Toyota a run for their money. I love the lines and the interior is even more impressive. Hyundai is on a roll and going to be running right over the competition. However, this questions the place of Kia. It seems Hyundai is trying to move up the market to Volvo and Acura levels while Kia stays in the mainstream Toyota and Honda level. Hyundai as an entry-level near luxury brand would be good. With models like the Genesis, Equus, and now this Sonata that future is looking more realistic. Anyhow, this model will force other brands to build more interesting family cars. Should be fun for all.

Be American. Buy whatever the you want.

No matter if they’re the only company in the world, they’d be copying something else.

DrFill…… in one of your previous posts here, you say the market is looking for another lexus hyundai needs to do this that blah blah blah if they wanna blah blah blah……… ummmm, they’re pretty much the ONLY car company (beside Kia) that’s actually selling cars right now in quantity that’s worth talking about…. so tell me…. what’re they doing wrong? sounds to me like they’re not doing what you WANT them to do – so you hate them instead. how about let them do what they’re doing best and make dang good cars that people are buying… if they feel it necessary to do something different they will. i personally thing that’d make them mold into the norm and right now they’re doing a good job of being and staying different. however, when or if they do bring us a “lux” brand – which is plausible…. my money goes that their cars will be better than Lexus, BMW, & even Benz for the simple fact that their CURRENT cars are full of the same technology AND THEN SOME as their european and japanese competition…. being positioned as lexus, audi, bmw, etc. in MOST applications (obviously accent and elantra aside FOR NOW– give them a couple years, tho.) so what does that mean for their lux brand when it arrives???? it means you’ll get a better car for the same money – in typical hyundai-kia tradition…. so would we be getting a bentley continental or maserati quattraporte for the price of a Lexus LS/S-Class???????
think about it………….

dr.filled with crap.. you sound paranoid about hyundai.
they have been increasing their world wide market share every year for the past 10 years. they are 4th world wide now. i know you cannot comprehend this information. but its is the truth.

did a hyundai dealer once fire you or something?

every auto magazine has been stating how hyundai has increased the use of better materials. while some have stated how toyota’s interiors are being made cheaper and cheaper every year. even the accent is made with better materials over the yaris and corolla.
i’m not going to write a thesis like you because your a waste of everyones time on this blog. your a loser that got fired from a toyota dealer, thats it.

back to reality. oh, i forgot some of you including dr.filledwithcrap and its partner cino need to get out and test drive a genesis or even a elantra to see what the auto magazines are talking about.

this new sonota is just another way hyundai is slowly gaining market share in the u.s.a. and world wide.

i think we are spending to much time on dr.filledwithcrap and his ingnorace. he is nice to play with from time to time. but, even a new puppy gets old after awhile. they start to piss on the rug and chew on the new leather loafers.
oh what the hell. puppy ’s are always fun to play with.

ALS
I’ll be your puppy
You’ll be my bitch
Cheers!
DrFill

JLoft
If you haven’t figured it out after my posts, you need to sit in “Time Out” with ALS and think about it
Isn’t that Hyundai’s tag line
Think about it?

Why did their fleet sales double this year?
They’re the ONLY major automaker WITHOUT a luxury car division. Why?
Why are they competing against themselves with Kia?
IF they are so good, why are sales down for the last TWO years in a row?

Think about it
DrFill

I like the puppy thing. Doc, is that why you spend so much time humping Toyota’s leg?

DrFill… actually i’m not a big enough nerd to know what hyundai’s tagline is. and look @ kia – they’re not like hyundai in any way other than siblings. hyundai competes itself openly to BMW, etc. (dont wanna name them all, you got the pt) and kia to honda, toyota, etc. hyundai is moving up and if they continue to do so – they wont NEED a lux division. they ARE the lux division now and maybe later too. kia to me competes more what scion should be. a more sporty economical branch that likes to be different. all new kia designs are much better IMO to any competitor to either H or K. and i don’t need timeout – i wasn’t hating on you or going all cut-throat on you… i’m just sharing my opinion that happened to be directed towards your comment… i’m not on LLN enough to know why everyone else hates you. so don’t assume i’m them.

PS – i VERY happily drive a 2010 Kia…. as does several of my friends (who bought because they were so impressed with MY purchase) and my mother, who’s on her 2nd kia since 2007…. i can count 8 people i know who drive kias (not hyundais, that’d bring the # even higher) that are 2006 or newer and 4 have bought 2010s since i bought mine. they’re doing something right. we can all afford our new cars and we’re actually glad we own them. most of us (me included) traded in honda or toyotas and feel we’ve all upgraded. that says something…. the fact its not from just me – but many ppl.

John
John, you and I used to be beautiful, baby
I tell the jokes
You laugh, and get me a drink when I’m done

When I cash in my $80 ‘Yota shares, I’ll buy enough vanishing cream to make ALS disappear
That’s a lot of cream
DrFill

toyota has been renting cars for years now. the last couple of cars i rented was a matrix and a camry. the matrix brakes were making noise and the camry was like a old chevy.

wow, you havae $80 worth of shares. loser… paranoid loser…

here puppy puppy… hahaha..

john– when do puppies get spayed or neutered? we cannot as a society let dr.filledwithcrap reproduce.

he can always just dry hump used toyota’s to have a thrill.. hmm, he probably already the dry humps his yaris. which rhymes with paris, which he thinks is his girlfriend. hahaha

@DrFilled

You should read today’s New York Times article on how Toyota tried to deliberately not warn their customers of the transmission glitch which is a safety issue. It’s clear that Toyota has gotten too arrogant and even brash thinking they could play hardball with their customers. Perhaps Toyota is not only becoming complacent, but so greedy to save a few bucks at the expense of their loyal customers.

Salaam_e

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/toyotas-reaction-to-transmission-woes-draws-customers-ire/?scp=9&sq=hyundai%20cars&st=cse

My 2002 RAV4 had this exact problem. I no longer have any confidence in the car and cannot get rid of it fast enough. Thank you so much for publishing this article and giving us a voice.

Hopefully Toyota will do the right thing and recall these cars before someone dies.

— Athena

toyota’s empire will fall in 10 years. the stock is at its peak at 83 a share. sounds like gm of 10 years ago but jap style.

alsvw your right, this is gonna put it in the camry’s butt

well that is where most camry drivers like it.. just kidding. the camry is an ok car. its just been made cheaply the last few years. moldings and pieces are just don’t fit like they used too.
this new sonota is way to up to date compared to the camry and accord.

This isn’t bad at all. A lot of design cues even in the interior, from Mazda, Infiniti, to even Volvo but overall they were able to make a better looking family car than both the Camry and Accord. Problem is, when it comes to family cars people tend to settle for the most reliable and conservative (image-wise) so they’ll probably stick with the japs.

Toyota is not a some great company out for the people, they disabled the air bag shut off on the tundra as a recall so they would not have to install seats anchors in there cars. there just a company out there to make money and they do it well now that there starting to cut quality because they built a name and build boring, and will probably start losing more and more of the market if they don’t stop there current trend.
Hyundai is not a great, but they making cars as reliable as Toyota for less with more futures (and a sports car). I see Hyundai trying to gradually become a luxury brand and KIA the mainstream. they do have some design ideas from other companies but they probably took it from some where else to. the new sonata looks fairly sporty and will probably be superior to the current Camry in most aspects.

Between your spelling, grammar, and misinformation,
You and ALS should form your own news website!

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DrFill

Oh, yeah, some more sites for you to work on

toknowmeistoownme.com
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Hyunduhlovers.com
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commoncents.com
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DrFill

did the puppy just make a pee pee.. no, its ok. your still our puppy forever..

Holy Crap, that hot! The current Camry and Honda are just blah. Just on looks, this whips their hides.

drfill, in the world of automobile design, lexus/toyota was considered(still is to european designers) level of kia/hyundai. No automobile designers consider them to be a true designed car, so plz dont say something like this company copied toyota, that company copied lexus, when lexus/toyota was the first japanese company to knock off mercedes design to create something called lexus in the 90s. Just like how much people respect toyota/lexus now, give hyundai/kia their chance. they may be the next lexus/toyota.

i’m glad to see that people actually know the roots of lexus and toyota. does anyone remember the corolla of the late 1980’s. it was a piece of junk that barely got over 60mph. hyundai for the past 15 years has not produced a car like the old corolla. hyundai did have the excel which was jointly build with mitsbishi and that was junk. but, today and for the past 10 years hyundai has never build a car as bad as the old corolla or todays yaris. the yaris looks like it has card board for interior roof panels. \

the alabama hyundai plant is going to go on overtime to keep up with demand for the new sonata.

for any one who dose not believe the recall.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/11/autos/bad_recall/index.htm

I hope this new engine is making more than 250hp. Everything about this car looks impressive, however based on the info from Leftlane about powertrain, I would be very disapointed if the new 3.5 V6 is making only 250hp. The current 3.3 is making 249hp. So a bigger motor with only a 1hp gain in power would be laughable. But Leftlanes info has not been up to date as it should be, these pics that left lane posted of the new Sonata have already been out on the net almost 2 weeks before leftlane posted them, so these pics are old news to me. I like Hyundai its doing very well, but I would not buy this car knowing its built in Alabama. Mercedes builds an SUV in Alabama and its rated as one of the worst and most unreliable vehicles on the market! As for power, if Hyundai wants to compete with the V6 altima, Mazda 6, or the Accord V6, it better offer atleast 280hp to get people attention. I drove the 270hp V6 Camry with the 6speed and its a very fast sedan. Hyundai better add more power if they want to interest the public.

e46
I’ve tried
But they refuse to learn
Kinda like ALS
Just slow of thought

Some companies try
Some companies do
DrFill

Lambda 3.5L engine will debut in the 2010 Kia Sorento. This engine is rated at 277hp and 247lb-ft, so i would asume similar numbers unless drastic changes for fuel economy.

The previous Sonata came with a 3.3 liter engine with 249 HP, I believe the 3.5 Will have at least 277 like “worst 3″ stated.

dr.filled with crap..
you poor thing. do you even think before typing. your looking quite confused. its ok, there will still be people that buy toyota’s. this hyundai is giong to be a standard of change for many auto makers.

but, its ok dr.filledwithcrap. stupid people will still buy the camry that is designed for females. its not that bad of a car if you don’t know anything about cars.

aslvw
its not that bad of a car if you don’t know anything about cars.” I have to agree
(but that kinda my opinion of Toyota for the most part”

I am interested to see mpg for this car, I could see 35mpg on high way with this engine if it uses a 6 speed because it lighter and more aerodynamic then the Equinox with is the only other car to use Di 4cyl and fusion get 34 with it 2.5 mpi 4 cyl. the v6 will probably be close to or hit 30mpg seeing how the larger 3.8 in the genesis gets 27mpg. hope Chevy get The Di 4 in the Malibu quickly i hope.

I am am kind of scared of Hyundai if they can keep this up.

So i think DrFill made one solid point, Toyota didn’t invent the modern design but they sure as hell invented the “Successful” modern design. Bland as they may appear they look good enough to get people to look at them them they hook people with their drivability. They arent inspired, but they do everything a car is supposed to do without going above and beyond the call. toyota makes the everyday mans car that just drives. This isn’t the best lookin sedan out there, but it’s gimmicky appearance will bring people to the lots. Hyundai has hit the floor running and they are making some good plays, It started with the genesis and now that can only go forward. I’m with Tornado though, my concern is fit and finish. I couldn’t care less what all the consumer reports BS says i got strictly off personal experience, when it comes to any opinion have to make, not just something I’ve read. The genesis is nice but once all is said and done there were a few quirks with the finish that remind you though this car tries to compete with the 50k executive sedans, ur still in a 30k car. But like i said, they can only go forward and they seem to have great direction.

@DrFill

“IF Hyundai were smart, they’d take this new Sonata, and market it as the Lexus ES competitor
Take the Genesis and sell it as a 5-series competitor
And the Equus as the LS/S-Class
And spin off a more luxurious Genesis coupe as a luxury coupe/G37″

—————-
I agree this part.
They must create new brand, and sell this new sonata as “Lexus ES”.
(And, Lexus ES was originally “Camry prominent” in Japan. Lexus ES is a variant of Camry)

Hyundai brand remain as “middle brand”.
This new sonata sell as New luxury brand’s ‘Lexus ES’.

Dumbest decision is….. Hyundai itself become a upmarket brand.
Traditional hyundai customers want ‘econo car’. not overpriced luxury car.

@krautninja:

I don’t think Toyota invented anything. All Toyota has done is create a legacy of reliable products, which got them a tremendously loyal customer base. If the design looks remotely good, die hards will buy them based on the Toyota logo because they feel they can trust the car based on past experiences. There are better cars out there than what Toyota makes in just about every segment, but people are willing to pay the extra dollars for what now amounts to a false feeling of security. Toyota is only going to be able to rely on their reputation for so long before people realize that they no longer make the best or most reliable products available especially for the price. As the former owner of a 1996 Camry and the current owner of a 1999 Camry, I can see glaring problems with the 2007 Camry I sampled. It’s definitely not on par with the previous model’s build quality or, from what I hear, reliability.

@DrFill

If you have such good ideas and a visionary path for Hyundai, why don’t you get a job with Toyota and get them back on top? Why don’t you actually do something? Instead of talking **** about Hyundai all day, Why not take Hyundai out of their misery even faster by joining Toyota. Since you sound so qualified, I’m sure they will hire you on the spot. All you do is run your mouth on this site, even if it’s true or false, their may only be a couple of people that actually agree with your opinion, while many others do not. I just thought of something else, why not target another auto make? Why just Hyundai? Start knocking Mitsubishi or Suzuki, you are always so focused on Hyundai for no apparent reason.

I’m guessing you will give a pussy response to this, I won’t even check back often to read what you wrote.

I’m a self- proclaimed Dr, just like you!

DrBrown

^^^ Word

I was a little unsure at first, but after seeing some of the better updated pics here http://carspyshots.net/showthread.php?t=17909&page=4.. I have to say I love this car. I cannot wait to buy one next year! This car is slick!

its beautiful. they HIT THE MARK. EXCELLENT. they took influences from all the right parts. if hyundai is reading this. CONGRATS! i have been scared to buy a hyundai for years but this looks great.

daiso, that would be a kia

I saw the thing on the road, driven by new owners here in Korea. The thing looks great in person and looks like an AMG car with new grill. I’d Rock it if it had RWD like the Genesis sedan.

I bet the floor mats don’t jam up the brake and accelerator in the Sonata unlike Toyota and the re badged Toyota’s also known as Lexus and if they did I bet the car wouldn’t blown up and disintegrate, which is really pathetic and the funny thing is they apologize for it. What about all the other everyday disintegrating Toyota Wrecks, don’t they count. At the end of the day there is a lot more engineering going into the design and safety of Hyundai’s if anything they are approaching BMW which are designed for driving and wrecking on the autobahn anyway that’s my two cents.

drfill if ur so fukin clever y dont u just go and make a company do whatever you want to do with it and see how well you do. stop bitchin about who copied what and who copied that, cus hyundais done a lot more favour in developing the world than u have, what ur doin now is sittin on ur chair typin **** thinkin that ur so clever. stop pollutin leftlane with ur ****.

american cars crap..you didnt drive the camry, because you cant be over 13 being how much of an idiot you are.