Comments on: Iacocca: “Daimler screwed Chrysler royally”

By: Fatstrat

Fatstrat — Fri, 25 May 2007 20:30:06 +0000

Lee did more than the K-car, which was a financial success to mopar if nothing else.
He also had a hand in the inception of the Mustang which seems to be a bit of a success.
Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, the car business is a tough one.

By: rodeo40

rodeo40 — Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:39 +0000

This from the designer of the K-car ladies and gentlemen!

By: ml350pc

ml350pc — Tue, 22 May 2007 20:59:18 +0000

Iacocca is right, Daimler gutted development budgets, and drove a lot of talent out of Chrysler (i.e. look at the positive influence Lutz has had at GM) Consequently, Daimler can only blame themselves for an investment the cost more than $30Bn, and sold it for slightly more than $7Bn with strings. Way to go Doctor Z.

By: Get Real

Get Real — Tue, 22 May 2007 15:32:21 +0000

Very funny Mitch, but true.

My LH car was horrible, I sold it before I found out the body mounts for the engine cradle go bad, and it’s big bucks to replace.

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING will break on a Chrysler product.

Buy one, help the USA remain uncompetative.

By: A4

A4 — Tue, 22 May 2007 04:55:23 +0000

hahaha^

By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Mon, 21 May 2007 22:44:36 +0000

primegtp just perfectly summed up the global auto industry.
nice post.

By: spud

spud — Mon, 21 May 2007 18:55:45 +0000

Not 100% sure now, but certainly 5 or 6 years ago, the largest (by # of units sold) 100% British manufacturer (i.e. owned and manufactured in Britain, which discounts jaguar, rover, aston etc etc) was LTI – a taxi manufacturer. Something to be proud of whatever happened to our ONCE great motor industry… (sob sob)…

By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Mon, 21 May 2007 18:38:35 +0000

Shahedc is 100% correct, there really aren’t any “American”, “Japanese”, or “European” automakers anymore. Chrysler was German until a week ago, GM is a global effort of American/Australian/Korean/German/etc operations, Ford is a American company working heavily with Europe and practically owned the entire British car industry for a while. Nissan and Renault are a combination of French and Japanese influences. Almost all the Japanese companies are working with the Koreans now. I could go on for a while.

By: Piablo

Piablo — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:33:14 +0000

Did the editor of this site call out sick or what? Where in hell is some new news so we can get past this overdiscussed topic?

By: Mitch Bangowitz

Mitch Bangowitz — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:21:08 +0000

“For those of you complaining that it was the product, I don’t know what to tell you. To me, Chrysler’s product is the best it has been in a very long time.”

Yeah… instead replacing your steering rack and transmission every 3 years, now it’s every 4 years!

By: homeboy234

homeboy234 — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:09:22 +0000

______________________dmbpearl, so if im incapable of speaking the english language then what language am i speaking now then?? spanish???

By: shahedc

shahedc — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:02:33 +0000

p.s. we need to accept the fact that, in this global economy, you can’t just have a plain “American” or “British” company. Let’s just appreciate the good products that come out of these hybrid companies!

~shahedc
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By: shahedc

shahedc — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:01:14 +0000

>> i will only say a word: Elise. You can google it since i doubt you even heard of something
>> other than V8′s with 500hp.
>> Comment by masrkitos, posted on May19 at 8:21 am

masrkitos,
the Elise uses an engine made by Toyota, a Japanese company.

~shahedc
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By: CTS DRIVER

CTS DRIVER — Mon, 21 May 2007 17:01:13 +0000

a4 i got what you meant, and thus far have completely avoided this subject.
spud, good job keeping a level open mind after this pile of garbage segment.
some of you guys are just too plain arrogant, its just cars morons, who cars who thinks who is better.

By: dmbpearl

dmbpearl — Mon, 21 May 2007 16:09:52 +0000

Is it just me, or does it appear that homeboy and the English language are distant friends? Taking an entry level writing class may help him with not only with his writing skills, but also his severely lacking logical thinking skills as well.

You have to love it when a Brit makes a reference to Hitler, you know, the guy we stopped from killing everyone in London and taking over England. Hey, maybe homeboy would be a better writer if it was in German? Oh, and that whole America saving your ass back then… you’re welcome.

By: A4

A4 — Mon, 21 May 2007 15:48:21 +0000

i swear your all stupid, i never said american cars were better than european cars, i just said that when it comes to mass-production and quality standards, american cars are superior to most BRITISH cars when they were still british. American cars are not better than european cars in the big picture.

By: MyGodBeatsYourGod

MyGodBeatsYourGod — Mon, 21 May 2007 15:41:29 +0000

Enough with the Iacocca nostalgia…

Two words:

DODGE DYNASTY

Hello? Lido lost it after 10 years at the helm.

He got ChyCo back on it’s feet after Ricardo and the 70′s, but then he drove it to the brink in the late 1980′s too.

C-C needs to look FORWARD…

By: Piablo

Piablo — Mon, 21 May 2007 14:45:02 +0000

Iacocca is just trying to sell a book. And look at the conversation he spawned ^^^^^
Mission accomplished. State the obvious in less than diplomatic terms ~~~~ sell more books.

By: Get Real

Get Real — Mon, 21 May 2007 11:28:50 +0000

Iacocca gave us garbage transmissions in the late 80′s and early 90′s.

Iacocca himself ruined Chrysler by not repairing a flawed product and driving people to Toyota and Honda.

Iacocca is irrelevant today.

Just go away old man, you had your chance and failed.

By: fan

fan — Mon, 21 May 2007 08:10:45 +0000

Iacocca maybe right in some parts, but – he too – contributed to the fall of chrysler. he got things rolling that just started the big 3s demise (not him alone, all the folk who ran the important levers in the time…)

personally, i think it a bit loudmouthed to now blame it all on daimler… plus.. they did a great job to chrysler so far, they (or rather the shareholders) didnt have patience anymore to see chrysler rise to fame…

By: spud

spud — Mon, 21 May 2007 05:53:16 +0000

Veda – wise words. You can also add the Koreans to that list.

By: spud

spud — Mon, 21 May 2007 05:51:42 +0000

Oh good God, please done say that retard homeboy is a Brit. What a moron. That’s really made a good start to my week….

I could reel of a huge list of crap British cars.
I could reel of a huge list of crap U.S. cars.

Likewise I could reel off lists of great US and Brit cars. Lets get over the over-generalisations shall we kids?

Someone mention Jaguar earlier – I worked or Ford when they bought Jaguar (1991-ish), and to say Ford had a hell of a shock when they realised the lack of quality / reliability of their manufacturing is something of an understatement. The overall feeling amongst the people who knew the internals was “Oh my God what have we just bought?!” They really turned round the quality of the output (still some way to go I know) and still need to do something about the image, but if it wasn’t for Ford they would have gone under by now…

By: kayne001

kayne001 — Mon, 21 May 2007 01:28:29 +0000

no wonder why there will never be world peace

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By: Veda

Veda — Mon, 21 May 2007 01:10:59 +0000

“why does every car discussion turn out to be something about my country is better than yours?”

You should be glad the guys from China hasn’t learned to post in English yet. 5 years from now when their auto companies boom and sell, they’ll probably add more to our pointless discussions here.

By: Veda

Veda — Mon, 21 May 2007 01:08:06 +0000

“Is that a joke? So good-looking cars that fall apart frequently are worthy of praise?”

Certainly not in this site as the guys here can only comment on the looks given their inexperience in actually using and owning those vehicles. There are things like creature comfort and interior amenities that they completely ignore in making their purchase-less decision.

By: kayne001

kayne001 — Mon, 21 May 2007 01:08:02 +0000

why does every car discussion turn out to be something about my country is better than yours?

Why can’t everyone play nice and not blame people all the time?

By: jcgeorge007

jcgeorge007 — Sun, 20 May 2007 22:39:55 +0000

This is off topic but I just heard Bob Lutz on NPR’s Wait, wait, don’t tell me. I realized then why domestic car makers suffer. He struck me as a someone who just doesn’t get it, period. Not only did he refuse to play along in their weekly ritual of a fun, three question quiz, but debated the veracity of ‘lacrosse’ as slang. It might not be part of you 77 year old vernacular, Bob, but just because they didn’t use it in the post World War II French brothels you frequented doesn’t make it less true.
GM’s cars may be good, but everyone elses seems to be better. I guess you weren’t much of student, sport, because you’d settle for a D while everyone else gets A’s and B’s.

By: homeboy234

homeboy234 — Sun, 20 May 2007 20:13:49 +0000

__________________________________________^ LOL Stuart, i’d rather trek through the sahara desert on foot without any water than use an american 4X4. Prime GTP if american cars are as good as you say they are then name one american car that looks good, achieves respectable mileage for a car in its class, is reasonably priced, doesnt have an interior made out of Ronald Mcdonalds shoes and handles well and is a class leader. Im Listening……………………………………………………………………………………..

By: Stuart

Stuart — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:56:15 +0000

PrimeGTP = You really should get some glasses and go back to school to learn how to read english. Read the blog from the beginning and you will see there are two arguments 1) the quality of british car against america (2) European cars against the american. Personally I would rather use a bike then a aamerican car. Least you could still turn corners.

p.s. Big three will be dead in a matter of years. God bless the UAW

By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:42:56 +0000

Chrysler’s best is everyone else’s average. The only other maker they have beat is Ford.

By: Ray Sinclair

Ray Sinclair — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:39:30 +0000

Paying 30+ billion for something that you couldn’t sell for 10 billion a whopping 9 years later? I’d say Chrysler gave the royal screw job to Daimler.

For those of you complaining that it was the product, I don’t know what to tell you. To me, Chrysler’s product is the best it has been in a very long time.

By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Sun, 20 May 2007 17:53:09 +0000

Is that a joke? So good-looking cars that fall apart frequently are worthy of praise?

By: masrkitos

masrkitos — Sun, 20 May 2007 17:42:43 +0000

Are good cars made of reliability? Im talking about true great cars, the ones that live beyond their owners, like the Jag E-type or the XJ220. Like the TVR speed twelve, like the Lotus Europa, Elan or Esprit. Like the Marcos TSO, like the Aston DB1 until DB6…not mentioning Rovers or Thriumphs or Catherhams or even Atoms.

Calling true British cars crap is just plain stupid.

By: Eurolion

Eurolion — Sun, 20 May 2007 13:46:44 +0000

Well, they’re not the most europeans of europeans, it’s their islander status.

By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Sun, 20 May 2007 13:29:30 +0000

Stuart, British =/= European. Learn to read.

By: Stuart

Stuart — Sun, 20 May 2007 11:43:46 +0000

What’s up with all the editting? A4 : I really wanna hear your point on why american cars are better then european especially when your name mensions a european car

By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Sun, 20 May 2007 02:48:43 +0000

LOL, so now the space shuttles and 7-series Boeing jets are shit as well. Go figure.

By: Veda

Veda — Sun, 20 May 2007 02:33:42 +0000

What’s the point of all these arguing, the bottom line is Chrysler is a company that should not even exist in the current day of automotive competition. Just cut it apart and sell the pieces.

By: homeboy234

homeboy234 — Sun, 20 May 2007 01:48:42 +0000

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By: A4

A4 — Sat, 19 May 2007 23:40:46 +0000

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By: PrimeGTP

PrimeGTP — Sat, 19 May 2007 22:59:23 +0000

Blakkarr, I have to back you up on the 300′s powertrain. Aside from rental fleets, I have NEVER seen a 300 or Charger with the base 2.7L V6. As far as I’m concerned, that’s the way it should be. The 2.7L is a pathetic engine and to expect it to pull 3800lbs+ of RWD sedan with 190hp is ridiculous. The 0-60 time is something like 10/11 seconds, which is what I consider dangerous. I don’t expect everyone to want a sporty car, but ALL cars should have enough pick-up to be able to accelerate in the event of an emergency, which a 2.7L Charger/300 can not.

By: deantj

deantj — Sat, 19 May 2007 22:34:37 +0000

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By: Blakkarr

Blakkarr — Sat, 19 May 2007 20:58:54 +0000

The “insider” information on the NEON is not so inside. It was in tuner and compact sport magazines for months before the NEON was killed. This punctuated with “Daimler Benz refused claiming they did not want to weaken the C-class brand image”. Go read some literature some time, Autonutt.

I knew that was BS because the C-Class is a total package not just the engine, which wouldn’t make it, or the Drive line, which could have easily. This was just another example of Daimler Benz not giving when they could have and should have.

By: Blakkarr

Blakkarr — Sat, 19 May 2007 20:53:28 +0000

Autonutt,

That engine is offered, but strangely I have never seen a 300 on sale or sold where I live. Of course it’s the heart of truck country and almost no body is going to take a car with such a wimpy little engine out here. The 3.5L is the, if unofficial, minimum offered. It might get more play in Europe and New England though.

Go to an actual car lot and check. You’ll likely, depending on where you are in the US, find rather few base 300s. I know their aren’t many, if any, around here. Besides which site did you check. The Corporate site only tells you what they are building not what they are selling and where.

As far as I’m concerned the base car is the touring with the 3.5L.

By: homeboy234

homeboy234 — Sat, 19 May 2007 19:41:27 +0000

____________Stuart I Thank you