With all due respect, you’re an idiot … take 20 minutes of your life and do some research into views that are more intelligent than the biased one you hold.

OK, so now that we’re all on the same page: perhaps now will be the time that steel will no longer comprise most of a vehicle’s body parts/chassis, and hopefully it’ll force auto manufacturers to use aluminum/carbon fiber or some other lightweight-yet-strong material. Governments around the world should put pressure on these manufacturing industries to make their materials more economically feasible for auto makers. IMO there’s no reason why an SUV should weigh 5,000+ lbs. That’s_just_frigging_ridiculous!

That $650 billion went somewhere, how much to fueling (pardon the pun) research into engine efficiency or alternative fuels?

You clearly have bought into all the media hype around global warming and the political bull**** that gets spewed everyday on our national news networks.

Take some time and read what’s posted above … might help your ‘project’.

Since 1983 the CAFE fines collected from just European manufacturers (that’s excluding the Big 3 and any of the Japanese companies) was over 650 billion dollars. Sounds more like an income source to the gov rather than an environmental preserver.

terminator: “If the manufacturers could build cars that got awesome gas mileage and still appealed to consumers don’t you think they would do that and is their goal?”

To a certain extent, they can, but they’re not allowed to. but you’re right in that Government can’t force innovation.

If the manufacturers could build cars that got awesome gas mileage and still appealed to consumers don’t you think they would do that and is their goal? MPGs and safety are probably the most important aspect of a vehicle to the average consumer.

To put a set standard on something that is already moving at it’s maximum pace is asinine. The vehicles out today are utilizing every technology today to increase MPGs that is still affordable to the average consumer. We can’t afford nor want hybrid vehicles. I’d bet money that the majority of people in the world would opt for style, safety, performance, and an average mpg rating than just whatever it takes to get good gas mileage. Vehicles are something people love just like we love a nice house so cutting corners on them is out of the question.

These damn liberals are making me insane!

Wow, that gets the prize of the stupidest statement of the day. We don’t live in lawless land. I don’t like government intervention anymore than you do, but things need to be regulated. Not everybody is a “good” citizen like you who will voluntarily obey the law even if there is one. When was the last time you drive speed limit?

‘jjt’, the value of a society is derived by its lowest common denominator … you just happen to choose wanting to live with waste. Unfortunately, waste is toxic in many ways and the only way to deal with it is to treat it, not ignore it.

Your argument about choice, and only focusing on bars, ignores the problem which creates severe, diametrically opposed attitudes and results in longer term pain. But I understand how you see only three feet in front of you instead of looking down the road … your choice and your freedom is all that matters. You just don’t get it. Kind of like the idiots who built these derivatives models marked to model … REALITY comes back to bite those who use freedom and choice, and in this case, we will all pay for their stupidity.

People who don’t want to work in smoky bars always had a choice.

CTS: If I were in charge ….

Got any more good quality fecal matter that I can flush down the toilet for you?

I’ll give you some credit, you rank up near the top of monkeys in this zoo … good interaction … where some monkeys lie down and go to sleep, you seem to have a lot of energy screeching and jumping. Good show.

Good show.

EVERYTHING I posted above is FACT and worth its weight in gold. I have returned every feather-weight volley of yours with a resounding SMASH. I have shone light on your lies, twists and utter worthlessness for all to see.

EVEYTHING you posted, like many here, is garbage. And like ‘Lambo’, you are a schizo. Your arguments contradict your own initial statements.

You, like many here, are a moron who posts nonsense and you have ZERO merit in posting anything of value … much like a child calling an adult stupid.

You, like many here, are my toy. I have proven to you that I come loaded with guns ablazing … you are no match for me, monkey.

You are nothing here, chump. Move on.

Are you really as dumb as you seem or is it the best acting job I’ve ever seen? Yesterday at 10:59 am you wrote ‘desolve’ which I have to call you on because there is no such word, ****ing moron. You stated the leftists are to blame for ‘desolving’ your country into a lesser power. My post at 11:57 am on Nov. 2 clearly stated I was forced to overpay for a vehicle because of the overpaid line workers … hmmmm, one could deduce I believe union monkeys are bad, as I’ve stated in other threads before and a child of five could then infer that I couldn’t really be a leftist, but that logic is out of your intellectual realm, isn’t it?

Who is selling your middle class ‘down the river’ and who is ‘killing them through the back door’, idiot? Is it the business leaders, the capitalists, who think they are are overpaid and want foreigners in India to supply cheap labour? I don’t see leftists in that equation. Who has been allowing illegal immigrants into your country to help enrich your businesses in making a bigger profit than might have occurred if these immigrants didn’t exist? I don’t see leftists in that equation. So who, exactly, are these leftists you refer to in that post?

In my post on November 3 at 12:47 pm I stated that progress means adapting and that assembly workers are overpaid and these jobs should be shipped overseas … hmmmmm, this again displays a non-leftist view, or you dumber than a flagpole, moron? Oh, and your entire post at 10:39 pm yesterday is the biggest joke in this thread. I have proven everything you stated WRONG and yet you still argue trying to twist the facts into some fairy tale that holds no water. You initially blamed leftists who prop up unions who want to see your country ‘desolve’ into a lesser power … then you later state I misinterpreted that and that I am a leftist … you should be insulted by your own stupidity. You are one of the most retarded people posting here. I’d love to see how you untangle this twisted mess of rope with which you’ve tied yourself, moron.

As for your country making me feel inferior …. riiiiight. Please go back and reread my last post and identify exactly one item that would make anyone feel inferior, dullard. I am ‘always off to the races’ because I am far more intelligent than you … everything seems to go by quickly to you when your brain works in slow motion. I know exactly what your handle is, jackass, and I can type whatever I think is appropriate for you here, as I did. The difference between me and you is that you hold far too much value in your identification where I really couldn’t care less what I am labelled. I let my quality posts, as exemplified in this and every thread, dictate my worth on this site … everyone can see how utterly worthless you are.

I will preach FACT to you and any other monkey as my heart pleases. You have a choice to learn and adapt or stagnate and suffer. It’s obvious your ignorance places you in the latter’s camp. Read the FACTS, loser … tell everyone again how great your country really is …. BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!!

You’re a chump.

But you’re right … I shouldn’t ‘preach’ to ignorant fools who have ZERO clue about REALITY. You are so lost, I might as well discuss with a frog. ****ing moron. Your handle here is more than appropriate.

‘jjt’, no, I want to live where I want to live and I don’t want anyone to interfere illegally with my enjoyment of life by polluting my skies. Just like I don’t want to inhale smoke from a jackass’s cigarette. What you don’t understand is that some people were forced to work in such an environment, be it bars, offices, warehouses, etc., until the government stepped in to stop it altogether … leaving it up to society to figure out would have resulted in countless people suffering because you want to have status quo. WRONG.

In cali, smoking isn’t allowed in bars. I don’t smoke, but I would only go to bars that didn’t allow smoking. No government interference necessary.

Spingood Tanoya: a lot of Muscle Cars from the old times don’t put out much power. Today’s V6s in many cases outperform old V8s

autonut: lobbyists should be banned from maryland, Va., D.C. Sacramento and Austin.

Piablo: good **** at 541p on the 2d.

People would like to have sex everywhere without restriction but that’s not possible. People want to smoke beside me at work but that’s not possible. People want to drive 200kph but that’s not possible.

Don’t worry, people will want fuel economy soon enough … like i stated earlier … the market isn’t truly ‘free’.