With all due respect, you’re an idiot … take 20 minutes of your life and do some research into views that are more intelligent than the biased one you hold.

OK, so now that we’re all on the same page: perhaps now will be the time that steel will no longer comprise most of a vehicle’s body parts/chassis, and hopefully it’ll force auto manufacturers to use aluminum/carbon fiber or some other lightweight-yet-strong material. Governments around the world should put pressure on these manufacturing industries to make their materials more economically feasible for auto makers. IMO there’s no reason why an SUV should weigh 5,000+ lbs. That’s_just_frigging_ridiculous!

That $650 billion went somewhere, how much to fueling (pardon the pun) research into engine efficiency or alternative fuels?

You clearly have bought into all the media hype around global warming and the political bullshit that gets spewed everyday on our national news networks.

Take some time and read what’s posted above … might help your ‘project’.

Since 1983 the CAFE fines collected from just European manufacturers (that’s excluding the Big 3 and any of the Japanese companies) was over 650 billion dollars. Sounds more like an income source to the gov rather than an environmental preserver.

terminator: “If the manufacturers could build cars that got awesome gas mileage and still appealed to consumers don’t you think they would do that and is their goal?”

To a certain extent, they can, but they’re not allowed to. but you’re right in that Government can’t force innovation.

If the manufacturers could build cars that got awesome gas mileage and still appealed to consumers don’t you think they would do that and is their goal? MPGs and safety are probably the most important aspect of a vehicle to the average consumer.

To put a set standard on something that is already moving at it’s maximum pace is asinine. The vehicles out today are utilizing every technology today to increase MPGs that is still affordable to the average consumer. We can’t afford nor want hybrid vehicles. I’d bet money that the majority of people in the world would opt for style, safety, performance, and an average mpg rating than just whatever it takes to get good gas mileage. Vehicles are something people love just like we love a nice house so cutting corners on them is out of the question.

These damn liberals are making me insane!

Wow, that gets the prize of the stupidest statement of the day. We don’t live in lawless land. I don’t like government intervention anymore than you do, but things need to be regulated. Not everybody is a “good” citizen like you who will voluntarily obey the law even if there is one. When was the last time you drive speed limit?

‘jjt’, the value of a society is derived by its lowest common denominator … you just happen to choose wanting to live with waste. Unfortunately, waste is toxic in many ways and the only way to deal with it is to treat it, not ignore it.

Your argument about choice, and only focusing on bars, ignores the problem which creates severe, diametrically opposed attitudes and results in longer term pain. But I understand how you see only three feet in front of you instead of looking down the road … your choice and your freedom is all that matters. You just don’t get it. Kind of like the idiots who built these derivatives models marked to model … REALITY comes back to bite those who use freedom and choice, and in this case, we will all pay for their stupidity.

People who don’t want to work in smoky bars always had a choice.

CTS: If I were in charge ….

Got any more good quality fecal matter that I can flush down the toilet for you?

I’ll give you some credit, you rank up near the top of monkeys in this zoo … good interaction … where some monkeys lie down and go to sleep, you seem to have a lot of energy screeching and jumping. Good show.

Good show.

EVERYTHING I posted above is FACT and worth its weight in gold. I have returned every feather-weight volley of yours with a resounding SMASH. I have shone light on your lies, twists and utter worthlessness for all to see.

EVEYTHING you posted, like many here, is garbage. And like ‘Lambo’, you are a schizo. Your arguments contradict your own initial statements.

You, like many here, are a moron who posts nonsense and you have ZERO merit in posting anything of value … much like a child calling an adult stupid.

You, like many here, are my toy. I have proven to you that I come loaded with guns ablazing … you are no match for me, monkey.

You are nothing here, chump. Move on.

Are you really as dumb as you seem or is it the best acting job I’ve ever seen? Yesterday at 10:59 am you wrote ‘desolve’ which I have to call you on because there is no such word, fucking moron. You stated the leftists are to blame for ‘desolving’ your country into a lesser power. My post at 11:57 am on Nov. 2 clearly stated I was forced to overpay for a vehicle because of the overpaid line workers … hmmmm, one could deduce I believe union monkeys are bad, as I’ve stated in other threads before and a child of five could then infer that I couldn’t really be a leftist, but that logic is out of your intellectual realm, isn’t it?

Who is selling your middle class ‘down the river’ and who is ‘killing them through the back door’, idiot? Is it the business leaders, the capitalists, who think they are are overpaid and want foreigners in India to supply cheap labour? I don’t see leftists in that equation. Who has been allowing illegal immigrants into your country to help enrich your businesses in making a bigger profit than might have occurred if these immigrants didn’t exist? I don’t see leftists in that equation. So who, exactly, are these leftists you refer to in that post?

In my post on November 3 at 12:47 pm I stated that progress means adapting and that assembly workers are overpaid and these jobs should be shipped overseas … hmmmmm, this again displays a non-leftist view, or you dumber than a flagpole, moron? Oh, and your entire post at 10:39 pm yesterday is the biggest joke in this thread. I have proven everything you stated WRONG and yet you still argue trying to twist the facts into some fairy tale that holds no water. You initially blamed leftists who prop up unions who want to see your country ‘desolve’ into a lesser power … then you later state I misinterpreted that and that I am a leftist … you should be insulted by your own stupidity. You are one of the most retarded people posting here. I’d love to see how you untangle this twisted mess of rope with which you’ve tied yourself, moron.

As for your country making me feel inferior …. riiiiight. Please go back and reread my last post and identify exactly one item that would make anyone feel inferior, dullard. I am ‘always off to the races’ because I am far more intelligent than you … everything seems to go by quickly to you when your brain works in slow motion. I know exactly what your handle is, jackass, and I can type whatever I think is appropriate for you here, as I did. The difference between me and you is that you hold far too much value in your identification where I really couldn’t care less what I am labelled. I let my quality posts, as exemplified in this and every thread, dictate my worth on this site … everyone can see how utterly worthless you are.

I will preach FACT to you and any other monkey as my heart pleases. You have a choice to learn and adapt or stagnate and suffer. It’s obvious your ignorance places you in the latter’s camp. Read the FACTS, loser … tell everyone again how great your country really is …. BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!!!!!

You’re a chump.

But you’re right … I shouldn’t ‘preach’ to ignorant fools who have ZERO clue about REALITY. You are so lost, I might as well discuss with a frog. Fucking moron. Your handle here is more than appropriate.

‘jjt’, no, I want to live where I want to live and I don’t want anyone to interfere illegally with my enjoyment of life by polluting my skies. Just like I don’t want to inhale smoke from a jackass’s cigarette. What you don’t understand is that some people were forced to work in such an environment, be it bars, offices, warehouses, etc., until the government stepped in to stop it altogether … leaving it up to society to figure out would have resulted in countless people suffering because you want to have status quo. WRONG.

In cali, smoking isn’t allowed in bars. I don’t smoke, but I would only go to bars that didn’t allow smoking. No government interference necessary.

Spingood Tanoya: a lot of Muscle Cars from the old times don’t put out much power. Today’s V6s in many cases outperform old V8s

autonut: lobbyists should be banned from maryland, Va., D.C. Sacramento and Austin.

Piablo: good shit at 541p on the 2d.

People would like to have sex everywhere without restriction but that’s not possible. People want to smoke beside me at work but that’s not possible. People want to drive 200kph but that’s not possible.

Don’t worry, people will want fuel economy soon enough … like i stated earlier … the market isn’t truly ‘free’.

I am with you there. Driving such slow car on the highway or in and around Atlanta, NYC or L.A. is un-Smart! But the solution does not have to be so extreme when you look at a Mazda3i or even the Cam-cord. CAFE may just force carmakers to bring more diesel models to N.A. That I like!

Cafe should be scrapped. Fuel-economy is its own reward. if people wanted fuel economy, honda would be selling a 70 mpg civic.

‘lucklaster’, as one of the blind being led by the blind, it’s not the leftists who put you in the position in which you find yourselves. Progress means adapting. That means not depending on overpaid assembly jobs that should take place in countries that can provide cheap labour. Your country is dissolving because of triple deficits, not because of the ‘leftists’.

CAFE standards have not changed since 1990 for passenger vehicles and have not changed significantly for light trucks. Had regular incremental increases been mandatory, this may not have been so heated now.

Look, if I have to overpay for a vehicle because of a bunch of people making too much money building it on the line, I can pay a little more to have it meet CAFE regulations. That little extra can go towards paying the fine if the manufacturer can’t meet the target.

‘Bryce’, your ‘gminsidenews’ link leads with a rant by a nutjob … fortunately, many of those posting after him/her put things in perspective. I would assume (s)he’s also a smoker and wants to murder any and all who have now endorsed anti-smoking laws indoors. Oh, and ‘Spingood”s reference to a gas tax to cover road maintenance is no different than arguing for car drivers to pay for health problems due to pollution, which is no less ridiculous than your link to that nutjob.

‘sj79′, if peak oil is, for arguments sake, happening now, what will prompt progress by the manufacturers to stay profitable, or even survive, over the next decade or two when gas prices are MUCH higher? Clearly, if they can’t do it because they are lawfully required to do it, they can’t do it regardless of how high oil prices rise.

What’s funny is that your country can devalue its currency and essentially make everyone poorer vis-a-vis the rest of the world and nobody blinks an eye. Your country can fight a war under the false pretense that it was about WMDs and a threat to your freedom, and spend hundreds of billions in a losing battle, and you keep that monkey in power by voting him back in. Your country is teetering financially because of a derivatives mess that is only now starting to show how big it might be, and how it will affect everyone else in the world …. but instead, you’re all arguing about not wanting cleaner air and not lessening your reliance on foreign oil.

You’re right … screw CAFE … go back to driving the antiquated stuff from decades ago because you want to drive what you want to drive. We’ll discuss this again in a decade and see how good life is then.

Someone tell me again why we need CAFE? Because of Global Warming? Nooo, global warming is a hoax and purely agenda driven. Is it for carbon emissions?? Noooo, as stated earlier, that problem is really population density. Maybe it’s so we can use less foreign oil?? If that’s the case, we have plenty of oil here in the states. So why aren’t we drilling and creating our own power?? Ahhhh, there lies the answer. Because the same people promoting global warming, promoting CAFE, blocking new refineries, blocking new Nuclear plants, blocking drilling, who want to raise your taxes, who want to socialize your health care, ARE SOCIAL-ISTS!