How do you like that, 1115? Best in class fuel economy. What is Toyota and Honda doing about THAT? Huh? Let’s hear what B.S. you can come up with now.

You’d have to really want to save gas to buy one of these.

… update their cars to get even better MPG? I fairly certain thats what everyone is trying to do right now. Let’s just hope Toy and Hond and everyone else doesn’t put extra badges on their cars just because they get a few more MPGs.

Yea you are right this certainly makes the Cobalt a world class leader in refinement and build quality
First best fuel economy next it will have better windshield wipers and then it will take over the WORLD!!!!
Sorry this is nothing to get excited over and GM still has mild hybrids and that Volt is going to pushed back until its irrelevant
LCL I agree I would rather spend the gas money though lol Z06 actually got excited about this that is too funny

It can’t be best in anything because it’s a Chevy and that’s the truth because that’s my opinion and I have links and if I don’t have links I’ll just steer the conversation in a completely different direction because I can’t possibly ever shut my mouth or admit to something that goes against my opinion which we’ve already decided is the truth and if you try to say otherwise I’ll call you a bunch of whiny kids who can’t take no for an answer because I can’t take no for an answer because I have OCD and because it’s a Chevy so it can’t be best in anything.

thats dumb they’re actually giving it a badge. its good that it can get that sort of mileage but they don’t need to show it off. toyotas and hondas dont show it off and some of their models get that kind of mileage.

Why dont they do this with all cars if thats all it takes.
Add stop-start to that as well.

What ever happened to the little Civic hatchbacks from the early 90’s that got close to 45-50mpg? Where are those cars today? I’m miffed that the “best in class” gets only 36. Come on, that’s pathetic. And that’s nothing against Chevy, but the whole industry as a whole.

“What ever happened to the little Civic hatchbacks from the early 90’s that got close to 45-50mpg? Where are those cars today? I’m miffed that the “best in class” gets only 36. Come on, that’s pathetic. And that’s nothing against Chevy, but the whole industry as a whole.
Comment by 6ix”

They’re rusted into oblivion . The fact is the Cobalt is the size of an early 90s Accord, not Civic and the early 90’s accord didn’t get 36mpg. A 2008 Civic is the same size as a 1990 Accord. The fit would be comparable to a 90’s Civic

@astonman,
I think the badge is to keep customers from getting duped by dealers who may try to pass off a non-class leading Cobalt as the 36mpg one. I appreciate the effort for that reason. Allows me to easily identify which cars are the efficient ones.

How can it be “best” in class when the Civics (non-SI) are rated at 36 mpg highway as well?

Better yet – most people now’a days (myself NOT included) opt for automatic transmissions… the Cobalt achieves it’s 36 mpg rating with the manual trans only. The Civics achieve their 36 mpg rating with the 5 speed automatic.

Bias much LLN?

Those Civics were great cars, cheap, fuel efficient and fun to drive, which is hard to find these days. All the crash test standards and safety equipment adds weight and size, hence bigger engines to power them and larger tires, which all make it impossible to have the Civic’s and Corollas and Geo’s fom the 80’s and 90’s with that mileage. The government refuses to realize that less bulk = more gas mileage.

It can’t be best in anything because it’s a Chevy and that’s the truth because that’s my opinion and I have links and if I don’t have links I’ll just steer the conversation in a completely different direction because I can’t possibly ever shut my mouth or admit to something that goes against my opinion which we’ve already decided is the truth and if you try to say otherwise I’ll call you a bunch of whiny kids who can’t take no for an answer because I can’t take no for an answer because I have OCD and because it’s a Chevy so it can’t be best in anything.
you typed that but all I see is “wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh” waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
LoL …pathetic

LLN is an american based board i64 thats why all the people on here praise the ground that GM vehicles catch on fire on

Get a Focus.

@61x
the civic got fat.

@rsg
the civic was never a great car

lol see what I mean I suppsed the Escort Cavalier and Reliant neon where better lol
This board is so biased Its made up of a bunch of good ole boys

@bean

Who cares if the Civic got fat – it still gets 36 mpgs… and is a quieter and more solid ride than a Cobalt. Plus I’m sure it’ll retain its value longer, and run longer as well. I owned a Sunfire, and have spent extensive time in the 96-01 Cavaliers, AND have driven a Cobalt… they’re all pretty much the same. The Cobalt wasn’t a very big upgrade from the old Cavaliers. The new Civics are a LOT more refined than the 96-01 body style Civics. I’d say Honda made much bigger strides in the small car market than GM did from 96 to now.

The new Focus’ are the ugliest cars in the segment. I’d rather drive a Calibur than a focus with bits of shiny tinfoil taped all over it.

triplefagboy, you living at home with Mommy retard. You name four cars, two of which have been nonexistent for over a decade. dumb ass. If you hate the GM fanboys on here, stay out of the GM articles. There is plenty of Acura/Honda articles to appease you. Your such a dumb ****.

And you live in the grave with yours lol
Cobalt along with GM sucks

even if they did make these tweaks to all their cars, it only impacts those with manual transmissions which is probably less than 5% of the cars they sell.

lol???that was really funny. Tripleonefag’s, your Mom sucks too. Every willing male in the trailer park.

This Cobalt is a fine piece of machinery Its a gem lol
ha GM is so desperate they are putting badging on the car thats so silly Try engineering a reliable car that looks great I cant wait until this car gets recalled

The good things about this Cobalt:
a) it’s cheap
b) it has a warranty
c) it gets reasonable mileage

The not so good things:
a) it’s cheap
b) it’s not aesthetically pleasing (especially the 4 door)
b) it will depreciate 50% in the 1st 2 years

So it kind of depends what you want out of your car. As a cheap commuter coffin that you’re planning on holding onto for at least 5 years, not so bad a choice. As your only vehicle to drive 24/7/365? Well… you’d have to put a gun to my head before I’d make that promise.

1115
“I cant wait until this car gets recalled”
You still talking about the accord???

tripleonedouche… YOU’RE RIGHT… it did sound pathetic, now you ****ing know what we have to listen to every day, multiple times a day…

Decent ride for the coin, plus you dont look like a honda-humping soccer mom.

I like how the tried to compare it to the Mazda3 at the end.

Instead of XFE, they should badge it with POS

1115: Everything you say is so dumb. I think you like the attention. Give up and go to a Honda site and get off. Your a joke on LLN. Your so biased and the “links” you have to back it up are biased tow honestly I like Chevrolet, however i believe GM could do better on the cobalt but it is much better than a caviler. It seems that every new car that GM is spitting out these days seems to get a lot of good praise(Lambda SUV’s Malibu, Silverado, CTS, any new Saturn, G8. You can’t help but to sit and watch how GM is really producing some good models and we ALL know it gets to you. So do us all a favor and stop commenting on GM/BIG3 oriented articles. Thank you.

yeah reason why the Civics, and most small economical cars that are still around today don’t get as good of gas mileage because they’ve increased in weight, If you compare a Honda Civic CRX to a New civic, the Honda CRX literally weighed like 2074lbs, very light compared the the new civic that weighs in over 2500lbs.

Good that the Cobalt is getting these kind of mpg figures, which will help it in the future of rising fuel costs. I was wondering what the hell XFE stood for. The freaking 08 Cobalt SS T/C with the new LNF gets to 60 in like 5.5-5.7 seconds does the quarter in 13.9-14.1seconds and still manages to get 23-25 city and like 30mpg on the highway and costs 22k, sure it isn’t the best looker and it’s still a “Cobalt” but hey you’re not going to find a car with that performance with that mileage on any other car south of 22k

Yea Im jealous that the Japanese cant make cars like the Cobalt the Aztec the Vette with or without the roof s and the trucks that catch on fire and injure people Yea lol

yeah 1115, pretty sad that a lowly Cobalt SS is quicker then anything in Honda or Toyota’s current line-up isn’t it?? Oh and I haven’t heard or seen any stats with the roofs flying off Cobalt’s and Aztecs? Could you PLEASE put some hyperlinks on here proving that?

Fukken faggots all over this forum – 1115 AND SOME of those arguing with him included.

The Cobalt looks dated, it was one of those cars (along with the G6) that kind of send the message that GM was going to try to turn itself around because it was an improvement on the Cavalier (just like the G6 and the first CTS were vast improvements on their predecessors). All these cars kind of sent a “We’re getting there” message from GM. So I can’t wait for this car to be replaced by whatever car they want to replace it with (because, seeing their recent all-new cars, they are great so I have no doubt the next debut will follow that pattern). And seeing the “new” Corolla, the Cobalt is definitely going to be more than competitive with it and the next generation minivan-shaped Fit with that ugly triangular window IN FRONT OF the A-Pillar. Gross

The bottom line here is that I will never buy this car, but if I did, I would (like most others who are buying small cars) have fuel economy at the top of their list so I would buy a Cobalt if I was in the market for economy cars.

Need4sspeed
I could show you some links of ball joints falling off Toyota’s. Or maybe some camshafts and tailgates breaking off of the brand new Tundras.

“How can it be “best” in class when the Civics (non-SI) are rated at 36 mpg highway as well?”
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The Civic’s (non-SI) with manual Transmission are only rated at 34 MPG highway. Manual trans actually gets 2 MPG worse than their automatic.

It is either 5th is very low or GM got brake from CAFE.

what the ****…..what the **** assholes….

Deanster, it wasn’t French was it?

Need4SSpeed, the thing is that Civic cost less then 22K. Loaded EX with auto is about 20K, not 22. Those cheap cars (Cobalt & Civic) are usually purchased. At some point you want to sell it and get something else, and that is where rub comes in: Civic will hold value much better then Cobalt. Don’t believe me: look up at Edmunds, Blue book or anywhere else, except Chevy dealer and ” Need oil” (former GM_18XX guy).

A recalled being issued on this Cobalt is no more or less likely than another issue coming out from Honda or Toyota… except if it does happen, there will be wild exaggerations about the Cobalt’s recall causing injuries and death to those who bought them.

Just like all those links he posted that no one bothered to read didn’t say a single damn thing about excessive accidents, injuries, nor was there mention of single death… the only time the word “death” was mentioned, it was preceded by the word “possible.” Amazingly, in the devastating aftermath 8 years later, there hasn’t been a single case of it. More than a decades worth affecting millions of vehicles and there were only a handful (under 170) of incidents.. 159 of which happened when no one was even in their ‘96 Skylark… oh but there was one claim of smoke inhalation… these are the types of exaggerations we have to accept as “proof” that GM make unreliable, people-killing machines… 1,899,999 people were unscathed and one person claimed an injury of smoke inhalation…. unreal.

I almost wonder if he secretly hoped no one would ever read through all of his “proof.” Because I saw nothing but run of the mill, precautionary recalls… just like the ones the Japanese have been putting out.

Either way… it’s time to find another horse to beat… maybe you can go back to your tried and true RESALE argument.

Which BTW – If someone else could explain the direct correlation between reliability and resale value, than please do… because I’ve yet to get an explanation from the person who puts out such conjecture.

An “xfe” badge? What do they gain by putting that on the car? It’s cool they were able to achieve that type of mileage though. Can’t wait for the redesign.

Does anyone want to hear a really great testament to the “superior” reliability of Japanese vehicle – Honda/Acura in particular?

This was posted on Edmunds Town Hall forum on January 1, 2006 by a certain 1115:

RE: Transmission Problem 2001 CL,

“I had the tranny replaced about 2 years ago at 41k and now I have to do it all over again Typical problem it seems. I have to get rid of it before the 100k warranty is up. Ill take my business over to Infiniti or Lexus when they make the IS coupe”

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0e5fe1/23

Amazing… a replacement transmission at only 41K… on an Acura… that can’t be right!?! Simply amazing, especially seeing as how I’ve never had the transmission, nor engine, nor anything other than normal wear and tear crap out on any number of Buicks, Chryslers, Cadillacs, or Jeeps that I’ve owned through the decades…

Hmmm…. Interesting indeed…

Nice find AMGoff!!! Funny ****!
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1115 = An Uneducated inbred Hypocrite!

But Acura is ****in’ awesome when they replace that tranny at no expense to you. Honda takes care of the customer…bottom line. Honda will replace alot of stuff out of warrenty. I had a 1999 Acura Intergra that at 118k miles, set a check engine light. The dealer told me to call Honda and let them know that it shouldn’t of gone out that quickly. So I called their 1-800 number, and they not only paid for the $468 repair(charcoal canister), they sent me a $100 Bon Marche gift certificate for my trouble. What kind of company does that stuff?? A profitable and customer driven company. Honda is a model for the other car companies when it comes to customer service. Find a good dealer…presidents award or same…and buy from them. Service with them. They will with Hondas money pay for more than they should. Can’t say the same for Toyota. They suck when it comes to the customer. They make buttloads of money, and want to keep it all.

“Honda will replace alot of stuff out of warrenty” So will your local GM dealer. Oops, I mean Honda rules!

And Honda rules, even though the GM warranty is better. I have a link!

stupid yanks….. they think 23,32 mpg is great…..
its called turbo diesel…. seriously look it up!

lol I find that funny being that I never owned an Acura CL. I dont know if you know that this is the internet and if you watch movies you will know where the name tripleonefive comes from .
Sad You really thought you found something
Either way it just shows how pathetic you are. You were on every board just trying to find something …anything
You still cant do it can you ???

Keep trying adam

Oh yeah autonut, I know a Civic will hold its resale value much more than a Cobalt will, and I really couldn’t care less if it does or doesn’t. Personally as a person who leases most my cars, I don’t have a car for more than 2 years, 3 tops. But yeah for whoever has a Cobalt 5 years + won’t get as much back as would a person re-selling a Civic will.

These are one of the worst cars ever built. Its not that much better than a Ford focus, and everyone knows the Focus is the absolute worst of the worst when it comes to reliability and quality. If a Honda Civic has only .5mpg less economy than the Cobalt, majority of people would much rather jump inside a civic than a cobalt. Your still losing alot of money with the cobalt because comparing the resale value between a 6 year old civic and a 6 year old cobalt (if its still running) will show you how much more money a cobalt will cost you in the long run.

Hmmm… It’s funny that anything that shows Toyondas aren’t perfect is ignored, and any little thing that shows a GM defect is the biggest news story ever. Seriously 1115, do you even try anymore? Oh, what am I saying. Feel free to troll away…

:ding: a new four slice toaster for 1115, please!

Toast huh stay off the carbs JR

“Best in Class”. What class exactly is that? Non-hybrid domestic compact sedans? Certainly not all compacts, since the HCH beats that. Even the Corolla has better mpg for the non-hybrid compact class.

A 5 speed stick or auto corrola gets 35 mpg which is less than 36 in the Cobalt.

Perhaps some other Corolla?

Got 32mpg in my 2005 2.3l Mazda3 sedan, with 400lbs of extra cargo and driving about 75mph on I-10, and that is with a final drive making it easy to pass in 5th gear (manual). 17 inch 205/50R tires too.

Enjoy your 4 spd auto matic while the rest of the world has 5, and your rear drum brakes. Oh, and the non ss versions offer no auto ac, no led tailamps, no HID xenon headlamps, no projector lensed headlamps, no telescopic steering column.

Yeah, I want THAT over a Mazda 3 Grand Touring. While you do get the worlds gayest looking spoiler on the cobalt sport, and on-star, it costs $200 more.

36? That’s pretty good. I’m probably getting 25

1115: “Yea you are right this certainly makes the Cobalt a world class leader in refinement and build quality.”
Cobalt is a good chooice for boring cheap transpo. iid go for a focus or Mazda3.

AMGoff: you’ve plugged 1115’s worldview

Where are those cars today? I’m miffed that the “best in class” gets only 36. Come on, that’s pathetic. And that’s nothing against Chevy, but the whole industry as a whole.

Comment by 6ix: “What ever happened to the little Civic hatchbacks from the early 90’s that got close to 45-50mpg?”
People stopped wanting civic-sized civics. They’re bigger now, and have a bunch of new heavier stuff in them.

i64X: ” The Civics achieve their 36 mpg rating with the 5 speed automatic.” And there’s an assumption that people know how to drive stickshifts. If you don’t, you’re using more gas than with an auto.

rsg: “Those Civics were great cars, cheap, fuel efficient and fun to drive …”
One out of three ain’t bad. Only good thing I have to say about my civic was that i could never remember when I last gassed up. Sometimes I’d go 17 days between trips to the station.

i64X: My cavalier lasted 100K farther than my cuvic did … then it got wrecked.

dumb ass. If you hate the GM fanboys on here, stay out of the GM articles. There is plenty of Acura/Honda articles to appease you. Your such a dumb ****.

deantj: “Instead of XFE, they should badge it with POS.”
Funny!

Need4SSpeed: “the Honda CRX literally weighed like 2074lbs, very light compared the the new civic that weighs in over 2500lbs.”
The CVCC weighed 1500 pounds

Comment by autonut: 20K for a civic?

AMGoff, autonut: resale value is theoretical at best, and is divorced from quality.

“if you watch movies you will know where the name tripleonefive comes from.”

A theory: there’s a movie clip of him deep-throating three guys each packing 15″
just a theory, i could be wrong

trooper1 “everyone knows the Focus is the absolute worst of the worst when it comes to reliability and quality.”

that’s an ign’ent-ass statement if I ever heard one!

jjt, resale value is usually proportional to quality. Large segment of population can read and aware of consumer report. Gear heads consider this publication not an automotive authority and I agree with them (perhaps I am one of them), but from economical and practical point of view it is an authority in US culture. CR is quoted by every newspaper, website and financial publication as a source of prudent investments in toilets, lawnmowers and cars. Per CR Civic is the best buy, per Car & Driver Civic decorates top 10 cars list more often then any other car in its class. If you can find automotive publication which will evaluate Cobalt higher then Civic please share it with me. I test drove Pontiac G5 (same as Cobalt) and it is NOT Civic by any stretch of imagination. It was much inferior. Unless Cobalt outdoes G5, I rest my case.

best in class.
class here consisting of ****ty american compacts, of which there is one.

@ autonut – “resale value is usually proportional to quality”. Let me rephrase that a little bit: resale value is usually proportional to PERCEIVED quality. The problem with the perception it it’s not often based in reality, but in someone’s idea of reality.

In the case of CR, they seem to have a mass delusion that Jap cars are better than they really are. That perception is quoted in every automotive news article, and pretty soon those misconceptions are the ‘facts’ that dim witted uber trolls seem to fall in love with.

As for whether the G5/Cobalt matches up with the Honda in this particular case, well you’ve driven them both and made your observations. I have not driven either of them (not my cup of tea). But they seem to match up numbers wise, and the G5 has a better warranty. For someone looking for cheap transportation, the G5 might do pretty nicely…

GM leaned out the carburetor. Nice…

Oh, and Jason? Oops, I mean 1115: If I want to buy used clothing, I’ll contact you. If you want to know about cars, contact me.

If I want to be on “The Office” then Ill contact you
Joseph

So we understand each other then? Just remember who started this crap…