In the case of CR, they seem to have a mass delusion that Jap cars are better than they really are. That perception is quoted in every automotive news article, and pretty soon those misconceptions are the ‘facts’ that dim witted uber trolls seem to fall in love with.

As for whether the G5/Cobalt matches up with the Honda in this particular case, well you’ve driven them both and made your observations. I have not driven either of them (not my cup of tea). But they seem to match up numbers wise, and the G5 has a better warranty. For someone looking for cheap transportation, the G5 might do pretty nicely…

1115: “Yea you are right this certainly makes the Cobalt a world class leader in refinement and build quality.”
Cobalt is a good chooice for boring cheap transpo. iid go for a focus or Mazda3.

AMGoff: you’ve plugged 1115’s worldview

Where are those cars today? I’m miffed that the “best in class” gets only 36. Come on, that’s pathetic. And that’s nothing against Chevy, but the whole industry as a whole.

Comment by 6ix: “What ever happened to the little Civic hatchbacks from the early 90’s that got close to 45-50mpg?”
People stopped wanting civic-sized civics. They’re bigger now, and have a bunch of new heavier stuff in them.

i64X: ” The Civics achieve their 36 mpg rating with the 5 speed automatic.” And there’s an assumption that people know how to drive stickshifts. If you don’t, you’re using more gas than with an auto.

rsg: “Those Civics were great cars, cheap, fuel efficient and fun to drive …”
One out of three ain’t bad. Only good thing I have to say about my civic was that i could never remember when I last gassed up. Sometimes I’d go 17 days between trips to the station.

i64X: My cavalier lasted 100K farther than my cuvic did … then it got wrecked.

dumb ass. If you hate the GM fanboys on here, stay out of the GM articles. There is plenty of Acura/Honda articles to appease you. Your such a dumb ****.

deantj: “Instead of XFE, they should badge it with POS.”
Funny!

Need4SSpeed: “the Honda CRX literally weighed like 2074lbs, very light compared the the new civic that weighs in over 2500lbs.”
The CVCC weighed 1500 pounds

Comment by autonut: 20K for a civic?

AMGoff, autonut: resale value is theoretical at best, and is divorced from quality.

“if you watch movies you will know where the name tripleonefive comes from.”

A theory: there’s a movie clip of him deep-throating three guys each packing 15″
just a theory, i could be wrong

trooper1 “everyone knows the Focus is the absolute worst of the worst when it comes to reliability and quality.”

that’s an ign’ent-ass statement if I ever heard one!

Enjoy your 4 spd auto matic while the rest of the world has 5, and your rear drum brakes. Oh, and the non ss versions offer no auto ac, no led tailamps, no HID xenon headlamps, no projector lensed headlamps, no telescopic steering column.

Yeah, I want THAT over a Mazda 3 Grand Touring. While you do get the worlds gayest looking spoiler on the cobalt sport, and on-star, it costs $200 more.

Perhaps some other Corolla?

:ding: a new four slice toaster for 1115, please!

This was posted on Edmunds Town Hall forum on January 1, 2006 by a certain 1115:

RE: Transmission Problem 2001 CL,

“I had the tranny replaced about 2 years ago at 41k and now I have to do it all over again Typical problem it seems. I have to get rid of it before the 100k warranty is up. Ill take my business over to Infiniti or Lexus when they make the IS coupe”

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0e5fe1/23

Amazing… a replacement transmission at only 41K… on an Acura… that can’t be right!?! Simply amazing, especially seeing as how I’ve never had the transmission, nor engine, nor anything other than normal wear and tear crap out on any number of Buicks, Chryslers, Cadillacs, or Jeeps that I’ve owned through the decades…

Hmmm…. Interesting indeed…

Just like all those links he posted that no one bothered to read didn’t say a single damn thing about excessive accidents, injuries, nor was there mention of single death… the only time the word “death” was mentioned, it was preceded by the word “possible.” Amazingly, in the devastating aftermath 8 years later, there hasn’t been a single case of it. More than a decades worth affecting millions of vehicles and there were only a handful (under 170) of incidents.. 159 of which happened when no one was even in their ‘96 Skylark… oh but there was one claim of smoke inhalation… these are the types of exaggerations we have to accept as “proof” that GM make unreliable, people-killing machines… 1,899,999 people were unscathed and one person claimed an injury of smoke inhalation…. unreal.

I almost wonder if he secretly hoped no one would ever read through all of his “proof.” Because I saw nothing but run of the mill, precautionary recalls… just like the ones the Japanese have been putting out.

Either way… it’s time to find another horse to beat… maybe you can go back to your tried and true RESALE argument.

Which BTW – If someone else could explain the direct correlation between reliability and resale value, than please do… because I’ve yet to get an explanation from the person who puts out such conjecture.

The Cobalt looks dated, it was one of those cars (along with the G6) that kind of send the message that GM was going to try to turn itself around because it was an improvement on the Cavalier (just like the G6 and the first CTS were vast improvements on their predecessors). All these cars kind of sent a “We’re getting there” message from GM. So I can’t wait for this car to be replaced by whatever car they want to replace it with (because, seeing their recent all-new cars, they are great so I have no doubt the next debut will follow that pattern). And seeing the “new” Corolla, the Cobalt is definitely going to be more than competitive with it and the next generation minivan-shaped Fit with that ugly triangular window IN FRONT OF the A-Pillar. Gross

The bottom line here is that I will never buy this car, but if I did, I would (like most others who are buying small cars) have fuel economy at the top of their list so I would buy a Cobalt if I was in the market for economy cars.

Good that the Cobalt is getting these kind of mpg figures, which will help it in the future of rising fuel costs. I was wondering what the hell XFE stood for. The freaking 08 Cobalt SS T/C with the new LNF gets to 60 in like 5.5-5.7 seconds does the quarter in 13.9-14.1seconds and still manages to get 23-25 city and like 30mpg on the highway and costs 22k, sure it isn’t the best looker and it’s still a “Cobalt” but hey you’re not going to find a car with that performance with that mileage on any other car south of 22k