How about they save themselves the design time and money and just make a Cadillac Insignia? Keep everything the same as the Opel and just change the badges. Done and done.

Catera 2

Great GM. A big front wheel drive Cadillac I guess it wouldnt be so bad as long as they offered AWD

Expect another winner.

Don;’t buy Imports. Buy American. Buy GM. It is our patriotic duty as Americans.

no! expect another piece of **** is more like it! Unless that is what you are looking for!

^^ @ NMOFGM
last time i checked. um Canada built cars were imports. now if you live in Canada, thats different, but looking at the end of your comments, you probably live in america. so i wont buy a cadillac XTS (insignia) because it is made in canada. I will buy a camry or accord or acura or infiniti.

05z88Path
i agree completely

tripleonefive
i agree. AWD or RWD

I can’t believe someone here just asked for another Catera!!!

Is the Insignia really that big?

Basically, create this new sedan on the Zeta architecture. It’s so far been a great platform, and would be in production next to the Camaro, another Zeta platform. Why not?

Infiniti’s are amazing cars! handling and performance is great, luxury and reliability is at it’s highest!
you can’t go wrong with them!

jayjc08 – It would seem they are closing up shop on that Zeta platform! I hope it stays..but who knows!

There are too many unknowns in this story for anything definitive. However, just as plausible would be for the new XTS to be built on the new Zeta II platform, rumored to be even better and more importantly lighter, that is due in this time frame – the Aussies seem pretty pumped about the next gen platform. It would also make sense that this model would be built alongside the Camaro at Oshawa as they would both be on RWD related platforms. Note both of these models at best would account for ~100k in sales (give or take).

As for the Impala, the current gen is already built at Oshawa. They were promised its replacement three years ago. To build the Buick Regal and Impala together at Oshawa would make sense since both are on the same platform Epsilon II with the Impala, similar to the Lacrosse on a LWB variant.

GMCL (General Motors Canada Limited), a wholly owned yet legally separate operating unit, the reason as with Holden, Opel, GM SA and China, they are not in BK, accounts for ~20—22% of GM NA sales. To placate the Canadians, for loans and market share, they are contractually obligated to a minimum production target.

The one point that has not been brought up is what happens to the Insignia tooling that is supposed to be in place at Kansas City. They were very close to production of the new gen Saturn Aura before the plug was pulled last year. Demand for the Regal would not require two production facilities. Canada producing three large sedans for the NA market seems to be more than what is obligated and/or logistically possible.

The link for this story:

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=1749690

DB9;-)

But we’ve come so far…………stick with RWD Cadillacs. We also certainly don’t need another Catera catastrophe. Those stupid cars still continue to plague Caddy dealershiips across the nation. This would be a bad move all around, and XTS……..I already feel bad for the people with lisps. And most of the time X denotes an all-wheel drive feature in cars or suvs.

(NMOFGM – If you’re so “Patriotic” why do you bash Ford and Chrysler? You should be promoting them as well.)

As for this car, great platform. The Buick will appeal to the younger crowd, the Caddy to the older.

Ricky B Cadillac is a Garbage Scow and has been ever since Henry Ford left it. It was great only when he was there to found it and then it turned to **** after GM aquired it.

Lincoln what a Luxury Car should be. Buy Lincoln buy American!

Bankruptcy2009 – All I was saying is that the Insignia is a great platform for this new Caddy. Now, what GM does with that platform is an entirely different thing.

XTS is a dumb name. I agree with zeegone that most people will automatically assume it’s a crossover or SUV of some sort.

And ricky_b, the only difference you’re going to find between who’s behind the wheel of the Buick or the Caddy is what’s in their wallets, not the date on their birth certifcates.

ricky_b what’s to bash? I never said not to buy Ford or Chrysler, it’s just that their quality and reliability have never been on the same level as General Motors. That’s a fact. THat is why Americans would rather drive a Gm vehicle over a Ford or Chysler. GM is Americas brand of Automobile

Buy American. Buy GM. It is our duty as Americans.

Those forgettable and confusing lettering will turn off Caddy’d faithful clientele: older Italian gentlemen. In good old days there were: DeVille (coup or sedan) for working crew members, Brougham for capo, Seville for wannabe and of course our favorite Cimarron for a village idiot(NMOFGM).

Lincolns are known as great cabs, pardon limos.

Your Right NFMOGM Ford’s Quality has Never been as POOR as GM Quality and would’nt want it to be that way either. Buy Superiority Buy Quality Buy Ford and Buy American. Also the New Lincoln MKT is about to be introduced man what a Beautiful Luxurious Automobile.

this may even be a good car, as its based on an import, the german made, german designed insignia… which actually is a decent ride, nothing like the average gm-quality…

Cadillac needs to be rwd only, period. they’re just going to go back down the road of shame if they revert back to fwd land barges that are thinly disguised rebadge jobs. please, gm, find a way to make it rwd.

enthusiast89,
I agree!

Borat: its been named the DTS for years, so if anyone has jumped ship because of an acronym (or whatever it is), they already arent coming back.

zeegone and others

THE CATERA WAS RWD… Get your f’en facts straight, it can’t be another Catera because the Catera still lives in the CTS short for Catera Touring Sedan, although some claim it’s Cadillac Touring Sedan, no one knows. This is the follow up to the Aurora if anything, which was originally supposed to be a Cadillac.

Why GM? If there is no AWD, long wheelbase or high price tag, then i am turning the cold shoulder. Really this is getting pathetic. Cadillac will never be what GM wants it to be if this is what they are going to do. And wait one minute, this is a mid size car. What in the hell is this going to compete with, the 5-Series, or the 9-5. If the CTS competes with both the 3-Series and the 5-Series, then what will the baby model do? Very sad. I thought this model was supposed to be a FULL-SIZE?

Bankruptcy2009/NMOFGM, that’s the worse acted fight a single person could come with.
You don’t only act childish but you write like one to.

Ignore this idiot comments, and before you tell me to ignore it as well, I’m starting from now on.

Honestly I can’t see it being totally bad if AWD was standard. For the new DTS (I doubt XTD is right, it’s just an X as they don’t know the name), CTS-levels of style, quality, and technology would go a long way. Audi’s A8 is on a FWD platform and is sold in America as AWD-only.

I would like to see the more performance-oriented XWD though.

Don’t get me wrong I’d rather see a RWD Cadillac, but Audi is proof you can use FWD platforms and be respected by most. The real question is what will be under the hood. The Ultra V-8 5.0L is dead, the Northstars are outdated, and a V-6, even one with 304 hp, just won’t cut it as the top engine. Maybe the 6.0L or 6.2L?

Other Man, don’t forget that Cadillac quality and relibility is second to none so right there General Motors has a leg up on the competition. Everyone would rather drive a GM vehicle so your precious Audi and the rest of the German crap don;t stand a chance. If Cadillac will build it, then they will come. Like the CTS, SRX and Escalade, people will come in droves.

Buy American. Buy GM. It is your patriotic duty

Stop being such a troll. You’re TRYING to get people on here to hate GM.

I like Cadillacs, but not you.

They should build it on the Zeta platform, its a fullsize sedan going against the Lexus LS and such, and the BMW 7 Series, Lexus LS, S-Class, etc. are all RWD, hell even the 300C is. the base cadillac(Under the CTS-V) should be based on the Insignia.

Hey JakeK66- I know the Catera was RWD, that’s why I put the word “also” in my sentence referring to Opel and not fwd. You need to get your facts straight bub, GM did some rebadging to get the Catera from an Opel as opposed to the CTS which is NOT Opel thank god. Both generations of CTS are great cars and not just pieces of junk like the Cateras were.

I hope they throw in some other then the Northstar V8 engines, they’re so expensive to produce and don’t offer much performance. Concerning the X name, Cadillac already has a naming system that denotes all-wheel drive; they just put a small 4 at the end of the CTS, SRX, or STS.

zeegone – actually, they were developed more for the Australian market as Holdens and then taken from there to Germany to be then called the Opel. The fact that Opel produced the Catera doesn’t mean they would be any way related to the Cadillac – and the Catera lived on as the GTO and the same 2.8L POWERED the “great” first gen CTS and still is used today, albeit turbocharged, in the 9-3 Aero.

I was witness to the problems the Catera had – my mom’s ‘98 blew up in flames in front of me, but it still was a fairly decent car otherwise before that. After they fixed the problems on newer Catera’s, it wasn’t that bad, and I’d still take it’s interior over most new GMs.

Ah, another GM vehicle going foreign.

The Catera was such a piece of junk back in the day.

“Catera – The Caddy that zips.” LOL such BS. Car and Driver said “Why did they use a duck as a mascot for it? Oh, that’s right, because neither zips.”

Hahaha, Infiniti leads the way in reliability for luxury cars, not Cadillac. Nice try though.

Infiniti does not. Lexus does.

Ok, Opel/Holden…..where’s your point, they were all still a pieces of junk which btw were never powered by a 2.8L engine, they all had 3.0’s. I see several Cateras around today and the interiors have held up less then poor. New Caddy interiors are hard to beat these days, I hope you are talking about other GM brands. The current CTS has one of the nicest most elegant interiors on the market today I think (the first CTS’s, eek!)

zeegone -

The 2.8 is derived directly from the 3.0… All I am saying is that your first statement made it seem that this was going to be another Catera and I don’t see how these two cars relate – at all – in any way. Ones a large FWD sedan built in the US for the US, the other was a midsize RWD built in Germany for Australia. Why even mention the Catera, isn’t this just a new 90’s STS? Just because something “Opel” helped out designing the FWD platform on makes it the Catera again? That’s BS and you are wrong.

“This does make us question the future of the Hamtramck plant. ”

the Volt will be made there. This is common knowledge. DTS will have to be out of production by late 2010.

JakeK- The two cars would relate in one way, they both have something to do with Opel, I thought that would be obvious. If you can’t see that relationship then excuse me for your misunderstanding. Let’s just drop it. The engines are similiar but the 2.8 was still heavily improved.

All I know is the last time Opel/Holden and Cadillac hooked up (not Pontiac!), which was the Catera, a great car did not come out of it. That’s all I’m saying, end of story.

Phew.

Notice they did not say that this will also replace the STS, so lets just what officialy goes down. We just have to wait, because its is a little early right now even for a car coming out in 2011.

Seeing Need more oil for GM argue with Bankruptcy2009 is like watching an episode of Dumb and Dumber. I will now ignore the trolls and comment on the subject at hand. Personally I don’t see a problem having one model in the line-up that is FWD/AWD. Now if the next gen CTS on the other hand was to move to FWD then you would see me throwing things. The bottom-line is that Cadillac is just doing the best they can with the cards they’ve been dealt, and judging by their newest models I would say they are doing an excellent job.

MHW-Agreed. But considering that the future of the Sigma is in doubt, now that the Zeta is basically done, the next CTS might have to be FWD. But the current model is offered with AWD, so no doubt the next generation will too. It works with the A5 and the powerhouse S5. If it works on the S5, then it would work on the CTS-V.

MHW, I have to disagree.. GM has already saddled Cadillac with a Chevrolet Equinox-based FWD/AWD SRX and is contemplating bringing the next generation of the Saab-based FWD BLS here, which would presumably be on the Epsilon II platform as well. I don’t understand how Cadillac plans to market a long-wheelbase Malibu against the BMW and Mercedes models they are currently targeting with the STS.

iluvamcars.. the problem with future Cadillacs moving to existing FWD/AWD platforms is less the impact on performance dynamics than it is the perception of Cadillac once again becoming nothing but an overpriced Chevy. The current CTS-V is considered world-class due to its unique platform, monster motor and RWD layout.. building the next one off of the Insignia would put that reputation in serious doubt.

Why is it that GM keeps retreating when they have good product. It may not be the biggest seller but does everything have to be 100+K units a year?

Just hedge back production to reflect actual demand and focus on improving the product to make it more desirable against analogous competitors. IN this case, the Mercedes S-class and BMW 7 series or to a lesser and no less verdant extent, the Hyundai Genesis Sedan and later the EQUUS.

The STS was a killer app waiting for a major update. The DTS was to be CADILLAC’s big stab and the Luxury car big time (The S-class and 7 series), but nope. This is a what a BUICK should be. Big, dull FWD for older, less adventuresome, people who are not at all interested in the drive.

Heck this is exactly the job for the ZETA platform that GM doesn’t want to use… and that FWD car slotted under the CTS? Did they forget about their ALPHA platform?

AUDI and ACURA and LINCOLN’s targets, CADILLAC should focus on BMW AND MERCEDES like they set out to when they first rolled out the CTS.

But forget it…

“Sound the retreat”.

“Let’s not compete. Let’s not even start to seriously try.”

We sunk all that money into GM and I want someone with a big clanging brass pair, like Devastator (Yeah I saw the movie… didn’t like it much), and vision running that company.

But apparently that is too much to ask. GM needs an Alan Mulally badly!

Blakkarr – well said!

I agree with you about the STS; it’s not a bad car its platform, unlike the DTS, is not antiquated it just needs an engineering refresh. The CTS was moved to Sigma II; why, as many have stated, don’t they do what BMW does with the 5 and 7 series, put the STS on a LWB Sigma II? Furthermore, the Aussies while worried for most of the first half are now whistling Dixie as Zeta II has been further green lighted. What’s the diff between Zeta and Zeta II – more refined and lighter weight.

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D966E14708147B46CA2575BD00033A20

The article (Canada’s Fin Post) is vague in that assumes the Cadillac must be an EP II variant. GM has not officially acknowledged this or anyone else. Oshawa was always slated to get the Impala replacement, as stated, they already build the current Gen and the Camaro) and Ingersol builds the GMC and Chevy Theta variants. Industry sources that I read indicate that Canada was to get one more major vehicle launch.

A transverse AWD drivetrain seems to be more in line of how they are trying to position Buick, i.e., an Acura, quasi -Audi (longitudinal) etc., competitor. Why would they use this layout for Cadillac? It’s not more efficient – the current G8 GT is lighter.smaller,faster and just as fuel efficient and roomier than both the New AWD 2010 La Crosse and Ford Taurus etc. Some one please ask GM this publicly on the next fireside chat with Fritz…

I’ll wait to see an official product announcement from GM before I criticize them further. I’ll leave it with two old refrains: If you’re not going to do something right and to the best of your capability then don’t do it all! & Just because you can do something doesn’t necessarily mean you should! Trite, I know but GM is in a put up or close up situation – Just as good or expedient doesn’t cut it anymore.

DB9

Is this GM’s plan for everything in the US?? Take, take , and take products from other markets and re badge them—change the interiors!!!! All GM is doing is making different styles and sharing the engines all around..lol. Now they want to go back to front wheel drive and base it off a platform that is being shared with other cars for caddy At this rate Caddy will be the new buick!!!.