HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The demise of the Japanese.

Not stated in the LLN explanation:

1) Toyota was fighting tooth and nail not to recall the Tundras (which they knew since 2003 were not within regulation)and now that they have lost all appeals, are taking the cheap way out, rather than actually fixing the problem.

2) Cost cutting measures (such as the quality of clips and connectors holding interior pieces in place) are begining to become very visable at Toyota. I am not saying that they are exclusive in doing this, but that I personally know a number of happy current older toyota model owners who are worry free and happy who say they will not purchase another Toy because they are seeing a major decline in quality and reliability.

This can’t be true. Everyone knows only American cars have recalls and Japanese cars are perfect. A conspiracy I say!

I had many more problems with my Tacoma than I have ever had with my Z71 Silverado.

Not to jump on the bandwagon but I’ve had more problems with my ‘04 TL than I did with either Mustang GTs (1998 and 2001), both of which had more miles. They’re not mechanical problems but more like electronics failing (seat memory, traction control speed sensor, multiple power window failures and other minor issues).

I wonder how much play these recalls get on local news broadcasts. Would be interestign to see. Maybe have everyone check out their nightly news tonight and report back?

ABOUT TIME I THOUGHT EVEN LLN WAS COVERING THIS UP GOOD JOB BOYS, HOWEVER THE TUNDRA WILL BE LESS SAFER AFTER THE RECALL AS PAUL HARVEY WOULD SAY THE REST OF THE STORY. COME ON ALL YOU LOVERS OF THE JAP CRAP LET,S PLAY NOW ASSWHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Completely minor issues. They aren’t on your 5 o’clock news because there is no blood involved. I know everyone is looking to dogpile on Toyota, but you guys sure pick some of the most petty issues to decry their downfall.

AHK-MED THE MINOR ISSUES YOU REFER TOO ARE ABOUT THE SAFETY OF CHILDREN PRETTY PETTY HUH DON’T YOU GET IT
TOYOTA HONDA GM THEIR STUFF IS ALL ON AN EVEN KEEL
THE DIFFERENCE IS GM PIONEERED YHE LATCH SYSTEM AND TAKES BETTER CARE OF THERE EMPLOYEES DIP ****

This recall has made to cnn.com auto section — which btw says the Tundra recall is bizarre..

1st Scion gets probed for their shattering moonroof & now this: not a good week for Toyota.

This article gives the impression that all japanese cars are falling apart right now. Japanese cars are perfectly known for their quality and reliability and that won´t change in one day.
Discrediting them is not the way to fight them. Just make good cars.

ITS THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR TOYOTA. HA

Ahk-Med:

I remember you specifically fighting tooth and nail the fact that you always praise voluntary recalls and you would have a negative view of any mandated recall.

In the case of the Tundra, Toyota knew the regs (if there is an airbag shutoff switch, there must be a LATCH system in the belts)and purposely ignored them. When they were told they had to fix this situation, they appealed, and appealed… and they are now out of appeals.

so they are faced with two options for this mandated recall: Upgrade the seatbelt latches to comply with regulations, or simply disable the airbag shutoff switch.

instead of doing the right thing, they are taking the cheaper way out… now making it INFINATELY more dangerous for a child seat in a tundra.

and STILL you support them. :shakinghead:

mike i am impressed.

say it aint soooooooo.iam glad to see this …i hate toyota…

I didn’t say I would have a negative view of ANY mandated recalls. However, they are certainly more scarring than a voluntary recall. Just to be clear, Toyota did not “purposely ignore” the regulations. In fact, it was Toyta who notified the NHTSA.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/07/11/bad_recall/

Toyota originally discovered the compliance issue and, in a letter to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in July 2005, the company asked regulators to let them to ignore it as “inconsequential to safety.”

I understand that Toyota appealed for a exception as was denied. Before I run off and proclaim Toyota’s solution to the problem as wrong, I’d like to know how other manufactueres are handling the airbag/LATCH situation. Do most have a switch and LATCH, or do most have no switch and no LATCH? New Tundras will have no switch and therefore no LATCH, which is effectively what the recall accomplishes.

I consider this a minor issue and accept Toyota’s fix for a couple of reasons:

1. The common accepted practice for child car seats in is to place them in the BACK seat.

2. The Tundra is a pickup truck, not family transportation. I can fully apprecaite Toyota not wanting to spend the money on recalled OR new Tundra’s to install LATCH in vehicles that are not designed for family transportation.

Regardless, the Tundra was not up to code and now they have paid for it through a government madated recall. The NHTSA accepts their fix. If you have a problem with their solution I suggest you contact your congressman/senators and have them change the law.

In the end, the switch/LATCH law is written to protect stupid people from themselves. Anyone with half a brain would take their child’s safety into their own hands. My point remains, these recalls are minor issues.

MINOR ISSUE?? LOL! Ahk-Med get a life…. I guess since it is a Toyota it is minor….I guess the plastic piece in the Highlander/RX falling off getting lodged under a gas pedal is minor as well….Toyota failed to comply, period. They built it without one knowing full well it was already a law. Then they take the cheap way out. A recall is a recall….and I recall people going off on Ford Focus for faulty side door latch….well that is minor if you think about it yet the American car companies get POUNDED by people saying look at the junk they make. Crap is crap, Japanese or American. Admit it, Toyota wants to play with the big boys. They are succeding, however they are now realizing to play up here, you may have more quality issues, since you are pumping out more cars faster and faster, having more and more quality glitches. I am sorry, if I was a Tundra owner with kids I would be furious…. If you have 3 kids and one has to be in the front, I feel sorry….trade it guys…On a Chevy Siverado or a Ford F-150, you will at least know they will be safe….

ahk med a silverado has an auotomated shut off on the airbag which is engaged by the weight of the passenger or lack there of if it is a child and a latch system,genious huh that is just one reason the best trucks in the world have chevy all over them, pretty cool huh

LR3s have the exact same system. A weight sensor in the passenger seat then will shut the air bag off if their is a child in the seat or if someone leans too far forward and is too close to the air bag.

Like I said earlier… there is a proper, responsible manner of doing business, and then there is the self-interested ‘anything to save a buck’ approach.

the latter is the focus of this article, from the Tundra recall to the 5 cent clip.

To satisfy my own curiosity regarding LATCH/front air bag switch I checked Chevy’s web site. Here is their page w/ respect to LATCH.

http://www.chevrolet.com/safety/during/latch/

Fine print with respect to LATCH

“Excludes cargo vans, conversion vans from an independent supplier, and vehicles with front seats only. See your dealer for details on a specific vehicle”

And specifically the Silverado regular cab:

“Front passenger child seat allowed, but not recommended. Silverado Regular Cab is equipped with a passenger Air Bag Off Switch for use when carrying children. Never place a rear-facing infant restraint in the front seat of any vehicle equipped with an active frontal air bag. Always use safety belts and proper child restraints, even with air bags. See the Owner’s Manual for more safety information.”

Chevrolet recommends you don’t put your child seat front seat, but say it’s acceptable. That isn’t exactly a tough stance on safety. Wouldn’t you follow the manufactuer’s recommendations if it was your child?

“Silverado Regular Cab is equipped with a passenger Air Bag Off Switch for use when carrying children”

which means the Silvarado is equiped with LATCH, and has the ability to turn off the airbag when a child seat is buckled in.

Toyota had the option with this recall to retrofit LATCH systems on to their vehicles, allowing the air bag to be turned off when a child seat is present. They chose to take the least expensive route, which is to disable the switch… meaning that anytime a child seat is present, the airbag is active and the child is potentially at risk.

“Chevrolet recommends you don’t put your child seat front seat, but say it’s acceptable. That isn’t exactly a tough stance on safety. Wouldn’t you follow the manufactuer’s recommendations if it was your child?”

broken record here: it is acceptable because the airbag can be switched off. After this recall, the Tundra cannot say the same.

Oh this just can’t be true! We all know that Japanese vehicles don’t break and American cars are crap!!!! hahahahahahahaha! Could’nt happen to a better company….

who the hell puts their baby in the front seat of a truck…

anyone with a child and a toyota tundra regular or extended cab pickup. Feel free to replace toyota tundra with any make/model pickup in any compact, midsize, or fullsize light truck class.

AHK MED why is it that when the jap crap lovers want to compare models they never go apples to apples you choose to compare the mid line tundra to the very basic work truck edition v6 reg cab wt WORK TRUCK.
not a ls or lt which is consistant with what mike said
if you went to the web sight you saw this and ommitted it your arguements for the inferior models is getting weaker and weaker every day!!!!!!!!!

ooodaddy,

First, I’m glad you found your caps lock button. Do us a favor and remember where it is.

Why did I choose the regular cab Sliverado? Because with an extended or crew cab Siverado there is a back seat. Anyone with a lick of common sense would place the child/childseat in the BACKSEAT. The backseat does not exist in the Silverado regular cab. This would be the only logical reason that a child/childseat would end up in the front seat of a Silverado. Again, you can certainly put your child/childseat in the passenger seat of the Siverado regular cab, but as I quoted Chevy’s web page above, it is NOT recommended.

This applies to the Tundra as well, as long as there is a backseat available, children/childseats should NEVER be in the front seat. The only model that the no switch/LATCH issue could be considered a problem is the standard cab. The “double” and “access” cab models have back seats and the children should ALWAYS be there.

Unfortunately, the recall information we have here does not say if the recall only applies to standard cab or all Tunrdas. Pretty silly if Toyota had to recall “double” and “access” cab Tundra’s that have multiple LATCH hookups available in the rear seat. Apparently though, this is exactly what is happening. Whatever, the law is the law.

Actually Ahk-Med, the extended cab in the Tundra is too tight to fit a rear-ward facing seat, part of why the recall was executed by the NHSTA. That is why some people were having to put the car seats up front, here is where the LATCH system comes into play. The rear seats in these trucks are fine if you have a child old enough to sit in a forward facing seat. However, infants have to be in a carrier style car seat, thus it does not fit well in the back of many extend cab trucks….SOOO Toyota to me is playing a dangerous game by not fitting the latch system in the truck because they say it is too expensive, screw that. People paid for the truck to have that in their and Toyota failed to comply….

AHK-MED YOU HAVE DONE A VALLIANT EFFORT IN DEFENDING YOUR CASE BEEN FUN WISH THAT SOME OF THE OTHERS WHO
LOVE THE SLANT EYED INJECTORS WOULD HAVE PLAYED THEY SEEM TO BE HIDING SEE YOU TOMORROW

you all act like this is going to change the fact that gm and ford are going to die and toyota will become the world’s number 1 automaker in the coming years. domestic brands have just as many recalls, this isnt altering anything. get over yourselves you blind patriotic dumbasses

ooodaddy, go to hell. “SLANT EYED INJECTORS” and “JAP CRAP.” You might as well put on some Klan robes to complete your stupidity. You’re a complete waste of flesh, racist prick.

I love it. This is so gratifying. I sell the best selling vehicle in the world, the Ford F-series, in the middle of rural America and even here I am not sufficiently sequestered from the onslaught of asian fanboyism. One day, fed up with hearing about the superiority of asian auto manufactury, I found an interesting statistic that usually stops the common fanboy in his tracks. At NHTSA.gov, in the Office of Defects Investigation I ran a search comparing the 05 Camary to the 05 Accord to the lowly 05 Taurus. You will never guess the results: defects per 100 reported- 05 Accord: 44. 05 Camary: 86. Guess how many the Taurus showed… 4.
Stick that in your rice patty and smoke it!

Jay,

at the risk of being accused of being an import fanboy, I must ask the obvious questions:

Why are the Accord and Camry still here while the Taurus is gone?

An excellent question, Ahk-Med. I will try to be succint;
In keeping with Ford’s “Way Forward” and in response to everyone saying that the domestics need to build vehicles that people want, the Taurus is being phased out and replaced with fresh, new offerings like the Fusion (for the up-and-comming 20 to 30 somethings,) and the 500 (for the family sedan.)Now, I know response is generally negative in these forums about the 500, but in reality, it sells well and is an extremely safe and comfortable family sedan. We sell a ton of them. Plus, in keeping an eye to future sales, not many people are interested in buying new Taurus’ because they are “granny cars”- literally! Conversely, not many people say that Cams and Accords are granny cars, because 10 or 15 years ago, when the Taurus was the best selling car in America, no one’s grandmother would DARE buy a Japanese car. It was UNAMERICAN, especially for someone of the WWII generation. Ford simply chose to retire that name plate, in the spirit of looking to the future and refreshing the brand image.

All the racist comments on this site make me make me want to buy a Toyota even more. Ahhh…so inspiring.

Gotta love the ignorance in here. Racism and slander are not going to win over import fans. In fact it will just drive them further away. If “Buying American” means being a racist ignorant A-hole, count me out on ever joining your KKKlan. And I highly doubt I am a minority here in the US.

Don’t forget those who buy GM cars are all poor ol rednecks with no edumacation or class. How’s that for slander assholes.

THE POINT IS FOLKS….Toyota has screwed up and is trying to take the dangerous and cheaper way for them to fix this recall….And I say the NHSTA should force them to do it like the law demands….Why does Toyota feel they are above the law? Cause they proclaim to not have problems? And to clear this up I have a German car, but I feel American companies are getting treated unfairly cause it looks to me that these Toyotas are really not any better, just better in the consciousness of the consumer…And it shows when a recall comes about that could endanger a child and Toyota folks say, oh its not that bad of a recall….That’s crazy b.s. talk there. But you TOyota fans will bash a GM product when its wiper blade motor can fail….that is my point, you all are being very hypocritical and to me its funny and sad you have been sooo brainwashed by Toyota. I used to own a 90 Celica and it was a good car. That was before the days of Toyota being hell-bent on becoming #1 in the world. Now that they are close to GM they are now looking a lot more like GM, with tons of quality glitches and problems.

Unless you are an Asian, why would you care/be offended by what these morons say on the internet? And why would you base a car buying decision on internet comments? You think you are being the smart one here? Buy the best car for your money and quit whining.

Watch out for the Japanese chinky eyes.
Those chinky eyes are only a slip of a line for all our safety.
Once those eyes open, fiery burning beams will shoot out of their eyes and destroy us all!

Be thankful them asians keep their eyes closed as a tiny line.
I buy their cars to keep them happy.
for our children’s sake, don’t anger them!

lol, remember all the recalls that the american brands has had, it would be like 20 times more than these numbers so dont be so proud that Toyota is making an small recall of cars

No mater what the situation Ahk-meds’ **** will never stink at least not to him, hes got his head buried so far up toyotas ass. I’d swear he was on the payroll. This is great at last this site published a recall by toyota last time they even din’t mention the one million recall. ALL CARS HAVE FLAWS BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE FLAWS.

well said firesq157, could hardly say it better myself.

firesq157 – “ALL CARS HAVE FLAWS BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE BY PEOPLE THAT HAVE FLAWS.”

Atleast you managed to say one thing thats mildly insightful. This is known as a “truism”. However, I didn’t see anyone dispute this.

Atomicbri – “And I say the NHSTA should force them to do it like the law demands”

They are, it’s just not the fix that you think they should install. Write your congressman.

To repeat myself from another thread:

The truth is your just idiots for assuming I’m a Toyota fanboy and that I’d come in here spin all of Toyota’s woes. More truth – I’ve never owned a Toyota vehicle, and I don’t see that changing any time soon. Basically they are boring. But, they understand the market and built a huge reputation for quality (real or imagined) and thats why there are where they are on route to be #1. Don’t worry, nothing lasts for ever.

I’ll call it like I see it. If that means supporting OR ripping on Toyota, GM, or any other manuafctuer I will.

You domestic fanboys are so hungup on lynching Toyota that you’ll leap on the most minor of recalls and issues and pronouce them as a sign that Toyota has somehow tricked and made a fool of every American who ever bought a Toyota (talking to you Mike). Why don’t you fanyboys try a little objectivity?

LMAO…oh…Toy Ota has been recalled, again. This time y’all can’t say anything, ’cause your East-Asian **** now officially stinks!

Ahk-Med:

1) irony at its finest:
“The truth is your just idiots”

2) “you’ll leap on the most minor of recalls and issues and pronouce them as a sign that Toyota has somehow tricked and made a fool of every American who ever bought a Toyota (talking to you Mike).”

Where do I say, or imply that toyota “tricked” anyone or “made a fool” of anyone?

I said that toyota is being forced to comply with regulations it knowingly violated. they had 2 ways to do this. The first way costs a little more money but is the safest route to go. The second makes the vehicle potentially more unsafe and side-steps the regulations, but saves a little money.

Toyota chose profit over safety.

Kaptain, like you said Toyota’s move will cost them PR, and what makes money for a company? Cost cutting or PR? Most of you will recall Audi’s PR nightmare and how much did that had cost them in terms of sales?

Also like you said, the drivers of the defected cars probably won’t care, but what about all those people buying the family sedans and suvs who think they’re getting a good reliable car from a socially responsible company (they keep touting they’re eco-friendliness,no?)? Someone made a point that people buying Toyotas expect well running cars not neccessarily the greatest styling in the world, however. But once they get word of Toyota trying to cut costs in one product that will make them question Toyota’s practices all around. In bussiness its all about perception and not the reality. GM’s motors are used by many different supercar makers, Noble, Mosler, makers of the Optima GTR, etc. but on this site a select few love saying how some guy they knew who knew this guy’s cousin’s sister’s GM car broke down due to engine trouble.

Now, those family oriented buyers will question Toyota and not buy Toyota. It will cost them much more not to sell whole cars than to fix those recalled cars and still make a profit on cars they sold because no one had doubts over Toyota’s product.