Comments on: First Drive: 2010 Land Rover LR4 [Review]

By: PPD

PPD — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:39:12 +0000

The vehicle is class leading no matter the fuel economy. I am keen to see the pictures but all I get are empty links. Some help with this please.

By: jmc8387

jmc8387 — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:38:04 +0000

Beautiful! It’s good to see Land Rover has not crossed over to the CUV craze! Land Rover puts out great, highly capable SUV’s, I just wish they would focus on getting their quality up to standards.

By: TornadoGTI

TornadoGTI — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:02:05 +0000

@ rpiotr01 – I saw a new Grand Cherokee crusing around a few weeks back. (only benefit of living in metro Detroit is the cars I see. Not to mention Car and Driver and Automobile mag both have their editorial offices in Ann Arbor where I work. Lots of nice cars parked in their lots) It was all black with a matte finish paint, no disguise though. It looked real nice and tough. I think the LR4 is quite a bit larger though. it does have a 3rd row and whatnot.

@ idrinorbarsaku – JD Power is projected reliability, not actual reliability. Hummer is close to the bottom when surveying vehicles produced and sold in the last 3 years. They rate it as problems per 100 cars. Besides, ALL cars made, besides lemons that slip through the cracks, are between 130 and 180 PP100 (problems per 100). That means that the most reliable car has on average 1.3 problems in a 3 year period whereas the least reliable car has 1.8 problems in a 3 year period. Such a small difference that the only concrete value of this is bragging rights. Keep in mind this evaluates problems that are detrimental to the cars ability to do its job, drive safely and appropriately. This does not count a broken radio button or moonroof switch, things like that.
Going forward for Hummer may be, and sounds like, a different story.

I know for me personally, since I don’t keep cars out of warranty, reliability is the LAST thing I look at. So long as it is not SO bad that it effects resale value. The two are oddly not very coorelated. Take VW for instance, very high resale in it’s class and only modest, at best, reliability.

By: rpiotr01

rpiotr01 — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:07:58 +0000

I wonder how this will compare to the 2011 Jeep GC. I know they were trying to up the luxury factor of the GC and even decked out it may come in thousands of dollars cheaper than the LR.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:47:22 +0000

lemonade,
My name broke your computer….aaahahahahahahhaahhahaha…you must have a piece of sh!t dell or something!

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:45:47 +0000

TornadoGTI,
from the last JD Power…Hummer was one notch above scion in the reliability standings. People make fun of the hummer for not being reliable, but they stand up for scion claiming that they are UNBELIEVABLY reliable. So, which is it??

By: Need more crap from GM

Need more crap from GM — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:16:37 +0000

Much better than any GM SUV, this gets my tick any day

By: lemonade

lemonade — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:58:25 +0000

OK, OK I give.

Hey Tornado, maybe next time you could make your post into a movie and I could just watch it? Maybe like one of those award winning documentaries or something…

By: TornadoGTI

TornadoGTI — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:47:54 +0000

Now that I think about it. It is easier to make a reliable car with low quality. There are less parts and gadgets to break so it naturally is more reliable. When you get into the luxury level of cars, many low quality brands will exceed the reliability because they don’t have things like hill decent control, lockable differentials, AFS Xenons, back up cameras, satellite connected nav systems with updated traffic and weather, heated AND ventilated seats, adaptive cruise control, direct fuel injection, etc.
It just makes sense that a Scion Tc would be more reliable than a car like this. It has power windows and a moonroof. Not a lot going on there. I know this isn’t an absolute with brands like Acura, Infiniti, and Lexus making nice, reliable cars, but even those lack some of the high tech gadgets of Land Rovers and Bimmers.
I wonder if Ferraris and Bentleys are reliable…THEY AREN’T.

By: TornadoGTI

TornadoGTI — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:43:11 +0000

Reliability and Quality ARE NOT the same thing. A Scion is reliable but is not a quality car. It uses cheap materials and puts them together cheaply but happens to not fall apart.

This car, as with all Land Rovers, use high quality materials and builds nice cars, they are just not very reliable. However, that has never stopped people from picking up every last Range and Range Sport in sight. By far, the most common luxury SUV I see here in metro Detroit. They are higher quality than Escalade’s and Navigators, but are more unreliable.

Also, reliability only matters if you are going to keep your car for a long period of time. The least reliable car today is still more reliable than the most reliable car 10 years ago. If you keep your car, like most, less than 3 or 4 years, you can’t go wrong. Also, I doubt many buyers of $60,000 luxury SUV’s give a crap about the reliability as made evident by the sales of Range Rover Sports ($59,000) to Range Rover S/C ($95,000). They will buy the next new big thing in 2 or 3 years anyways. Many of us care because we, like many consumers, buy $30,000 cars and keep them for 4 to 6 years. Inside a warranty, who cares.

I really like this car as it looks like NOTHING else on the road. I like that Land Rover can make a competent luxury SUV that can take on trails only matched by an H2 (NEVER H3) or Jeep Wrangler. It is worth the cost as you are getting 2-great vehicles in 1. Luxury, highway, cruiser and offroad beast. Seems like a win win for me. The upgrades just make this even better, it was a bit of a slouch.

By: lemonade

lemonade — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:25:00 +0000

I tried to copy and paste but your screwed up name broke it.

By: 05Z88Path

05Z88Path — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:23:50 +0000

^^you keep thinking that lemonade. The Camry has long been know in the 4×4 world for it’s offroad prowess….

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:19:30 +0000

ahhh what?? Reliability and quality are NOT the same thing!! Quality is the kind of leather and wood grain you expect to find! Reliability problems are associated with electrical/power plant problems…not leather looking cheap or wood not being high enough grade!! And what, you seriously don’t know how to copy and paste a name? What a loser!

By: lemonade

lemonade — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:46:55 +0000

idrnbakdude,

realiability and quality are the same thing. Land Rovers are complete poser-wagons. My ’88 Camry had more ground clearance and better approach angles than one of these.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:24:47 +0000

All you people talking about quality have probably never stepped inside one of these or you wouldn’t be talking…especially for micanichi! Reliability is what they lack, quality ISN’T! It’s an SUV, if you are worried about mpg’s get yourself a damn prius!

By: micanichi

micanichi — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:56:40 +0000

I love the eighth picture where the passenger side airbag seam on the dashboard is A) visible and B) already coming unglued. As lemonade mentioned and you did not, the quality of this vehicle has been so poor that it literally falls off the page when a comparison to other vehicles is shown in graph form. It’s amazing to me that in the year 2009 that a modern manufacturing company, the Detroit three left out for obvious reasons, is not only able to generate such inferior machinery but sell it at a premium as well. At least you’ll be able to see that trail o’parts from your very own iMax theater. Fail.

By: MarkKleis

MarkKleis — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:25:53 +0000

Vicdub85- I can’t speak for Drew, but generally speaking LLN only posts the MPG if it is a relevant selling point for the vehicle. For example, a Civic or Focus will be sought for the MPG, so it will be included. With an SUV like this, with a price tag like it has, a difference of a few MPG isn’t terribly relevant to the typical buyer.

By: lemonade

lemonade — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:09:21 +0000

Ha ha, Land Rover has suffered from only two major downfalls? They forgot to mention at least one more: scoring DEAD LAST in quality among all vehicle manufacturers currently in production. YEEEEEOOUCH.

3 strikes. You’re out Land Rover.

By: vicdub85

vicdub85 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:33:41 +0000

LLN… like a said before. MPG???

And how dare you dirty up those rims.

By: A4

A4 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:25:29 +0000

GO BACK TO DISCOVERY
damn.

By: key4wheels

key4wheels — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:20:42 +0000

Death before Disco…nice looker but I’d take the defender hands down. Of course I’m talking out of me arse, since I can’t afford either.

By: LDMAN

LDMAN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:14:13 +0000

Do not get me wrong. I would love to own one of these but..It is too heavy, the payload capacity is below one ton, the fuel tank and range are too small. Then again in America it is call an LR4 not a Discovery.
Discoveries were raid vehicles that could go the distance and carry stuff. I guess no one uses them for that anymore.
As for reliability, Land Rovers are only as good as the dealer that services them. If your Land Rover dealer is connected and knows how to work the official recalls and more importantly the “unofficial” fixes then no worries. Otherwise just go buy a Jeep if you do not mind working on them.

By: DenverGuy217

DenverGuy217 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:14:03 +0000

it’s a nice upgrade from what it was (except the taillights. why must manufacturers throw circular elements into square lenses all the time now)… The devaluation would scare me from buying one. You can find 2-year old models for at least $20k off – often much more…

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:04:34 +0000

My dad likes this suv a lot! I just can’t get over the huge rear window, and knowing that land rovers are known for being unreliable.

By: 05Z88Path

05Z88Path — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:51:37 +0000

Cool. 375hp, a luxurious interior, good offroad capabilities, and a decent exterior (now with LED lights front front and rear…oohhh!), sounds good to me! The camera feature is a nice touch too…at the end of the day nothing beats a spotter, but when you are offroading by yourself (raises hand) I could see its usefulness. I’d suffer from some sticker shock if I was in the market for one, but then again the asking prices for some of the Audi/BMW/Mercedes SUVs is pretty shocking too. It all comes down to taste though. It seems perfectly normal to me for someone to spend $60+k on a 2-door sports car, so why not a 4 door SUV I guess…