thats a f***in shame.

The joint plant was run by a third party. GM and Toyota would have nothing to do with this.

What’s a real shame is how easy it is to bring everyone and their mother in as defendants in a suit against someone else entirely.

Well done you stupid worker. How long did it take you to realise this?

This is an intense situation. The Japanese do not like to speak of failure, and if fact will look blindly when confronted with such a situation. GM…well, that’s another story. The use of “crazy and violent” holds strong negative connotations in Japanese society, and were probably used as a means to get others to start the silent treatment of Ms. Cameron. The silent treatment is the worst that can befall you in Japanese society and workplace, it is the greatest of shame.

“The joint plant was run by a third party.”
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A Delaware corporation by some chance?

Damn it. Who did that? GM or Toy? Or both………

Yeah lets just hope SHE doesent get anything out of it unless if she drives one of those.

if she would have been workin for ferrari, lamborghini, alfa romeo, maserati… they would have made her an offer she couldnt refuse. Her signature or her brains would have been on that contract.

We need better laws on frivolous lawsuits, maybe even punishment for filing them. She does sound crazy.
The best assembly plants in the world have seen every defect imaginable. Automakers do not knowingly ship defects to customers though.

maybe she was crazy and violent we see it every day on the news, sounds like she is just another pshcho trying to get rich over emotional distress. that is only a term you will hear in america, sometimes i believe our society here is too soft and fluffy, in other countries people walk around corpses and dont bat an eye, but here in the sissified states of america those people need counseling forever. pathetic.

F451- you’re dead on about the Japanese regarding “crazy and violent” as incredibly negative and giving these people the silent treatment. Couldn’t have said it better myself. If this happened in Japan, they’d probably drive this employee to suicide from public humiliation.
Sure, the plant may be run by a third party, but it’s still GM/Toyota’s product and it’s their responsibility to make sure quality standards are adhered to.

Shouldn’t a joint plant be making joints and not cars?

Yes, but no work would get done because no one could operate heavy machinery.

In other news, Toyota and GM fanboys confused as to how they should respond.

Thanks F451 for enlightening me about the Japs. It is just weird because “Crazy and violent” are such positive comments here in crazy old violent america.
Anyhow, its like my grandfather used to say you cant have women on the boat (its bad luck) and they have no place in the male dominated workplaces. Excuse me why my crazy ass goes to reload.

Anyone on this thread currently driving a newer Matrix/Vibe with broken seatbelts, faulty headlights, inadequate braking, mirrors falling off, engine oil leaks and steering wheel alignment problems? While those traits could pretty much have described every Chevy Chevette that rolled off the line, I think not or we would have heard something before this. Sounds like another nutburger with an axe to grind looking for their 15 minutes.

Wow. It’s awesome that most of you guys posting sound so insecure of your masculinity that you gotta cut up on an entire gender.
I guarentee three things here:
As an auditor, this girl is making more money than most of you.
She is probably smarter than all of you.
And for many of the teenage posters, do you even know what a certified auditor does?
Thought not..and SwerveEarly, your grandfather I actually get girls and take my women on a boat, in a car or anywhere they want.

*unlike your grandfather

“NUMMI has done everything in its power to try to break Cameron psychologically and force her from the workplace,” the lawsuit said. “Cameron is an American hero who will not be silenced by multibillion dollar corporations at the expense of hardworking American consumers and families”
If her being a woman has nothing to do with it, neither does being a multibillion dollar corporation. It’s because she’s playing the “poor, poor me” card that I think she is crazy and violent.

And I don’t think that suing is very heroic.

vincenzo, what does being a fanboy have anything to do with this?

hockeygod: my bad women are completely cool on a ski boat, but not a fishing boat. Its a hunting trip dumbass. The fact that your on here tells me your no ladies man.
Also my wife is smarter and makes more money then me, but that doesn’t mean she isnt a whiney bitch at work, she is.
FACT: anyone who has ever worked in the same office as women knows they are treated different and it forces everyone to be careful with how and what they say.

if the silent treatment drives someone to suicide, they were probably a loser to begin with.

Oh yeah, call me when your boat sinks and 3 dumb blondes are dragging you to the bottom of the sea. Atleast Ill save 3 of you. Ha Ha

Looks like the girls have hockeygod by the balls. Sucks, don’t it?

Anyway, I have a friend who works at a Pontiac dealership that sells vibes. He normally would talk about a car if it were going in for service often. I haven’t heard anything about vibes. In fact, he’s thinkin of buyin one. My point is, this lady is full of ****.

Defects is a very loose term. Who is to say that they weren’t within tolerances, but she called them defects. If she was highly critical,it’s hardly shocking they tried to get her to quit… it is hard to fire a union worker.

my government inspector rejects entire shipments if we dont offer him a cup of coffee, he refuses to look at anything outside so we have to stop production move the machines that were built outside inside so he can work in the shade. we call him the rogue inspector, he seriously stops shipments of medical equipment until we give him coffee…..he is crazy just like this broad.

CTS Driver: that is insane! That f*cker should be fired!

Matrix made in California? I have a friend with a Matrix and his is built in Ontario Canada. Theres an ID tag on the car that shows where its built. Maybe just the Vibe is built in California. But my friends Matrix with 140k put on it in just 4 years has been rock solid reliable with not a single thing gone wrong with it. So maybe all thos lazy California workers should be fired and have the Vibe built in Canada.

“my government inspector rejects entire shipments if we dont offer him a cup of coffee…”

Better than having to give them “the envelopes” every holiday season…

Amazing just about everybody has sided with the companies based on the little facts that were mentioned by LLN. One way (certainly not the only way) to see if she is telling the truth is to look at TSB and NHSTA complaints. Whether she drives a Matrix / Vibe is irrelevant because this is not a product liability class action suit, but a wrongful termination suit brought only by her. Any product defect will only speak to the validity of her claim, not whether the vehicles need to be recalled etc.

And she should sue the third party that manage the firm and GM and Toyota because the third party company is probably wholly owned subsidiary owned by GM and Toyota jointly. I reserve my judgment as to the validity of her claim as there is no way for me or you to know from these facts alone, that’s why there is a DISCOVERY period!

Pretty boring story, followed by incredibly stupid comments.

Crazy bitch. She sounds violent…

Sounds to me like she sucked some serious sausage for 23 years and still didn’t ever get promoted.

Maybe if she were UAW she wouldn’t have this problem.

OHH BOY so where are all the toyota fanboy groupies who constantly take a dump on GM for this one? We’re in it together now pals, whatve you got to say for yourself?

“Automakers do not knowingly ship defects to customers though”

prove it.

“Cameron is an American hero who will not be silenced by multibillion dollar corporations at the expense of hardworking American consumers and families.”

Cameron is a victim, as many people are wont to be. I’m not sure how much to believe her, if at all. But the article blasts toyota at the end, when this is a JV.

nitinsharma1000 “if she would have been workin for ferrari, lamborghini, alfa romeo, maserati… they would have made her an offer she couldnt refuse. Her signature or her brains would have been on that contract.”

funny stuff.

Fletch: there’s no such thing as a frivolous lawsuit. Some should be laughed out of the court, and this is probably one of those, but spare me the whiny “malpractice cap” crap.

6ix: “Sure, the plant may be run by a third party, but it’s still GM/Toyota’s product and it’s their responsibility to make sure quality standards are adhered to.” True.

vincenzo: don’t use the word “fanboy,” unless you’re 13 and debating the relative merits of PS3, Xbox and Wii. I prefer the PS3.

hockeygod1331: she ain’t smarter than me. few are. I’m a mother****in’ Renaissance Man.

Bryce: “She’s playing the “poor, poor me” card.” Exactly!

SwerveEarly: “anyone who has ever worked in the same office as women knows they are treated different and it forces everyone to be careful with how and what they say.” true, in most cases.

cfishgo: good theory.

CTS DRIVER: I see a sting operation in your future. Get the P-E on their asses!

planet_drive: “all thos (sic) lazy California workers should be fired.” “When I get back from my 2-hour coffee break, I’ll take issue with that.

Veda: yes, the envelopes.

DeansterTJ: Way to get right to the point.
3 good things come from canada — CFL, deantj and Gauge.

Well look at the track record and quality of Toyota vs Gm for the last 20 years GM has cut corners sold crap and taken shortcuts and continue to today
Its clear that this is all GMs fault

No, it’s all your fault!

Hooray for Katy Cameron! We, the thousands of Toyota owners online who are seeking a proper resolution in the Toyota engine oil sludge fiasco, encourage other honest Toyota employees to speak up!

Having endured harassment for speaking out about the Toyota sludge problem since late 2000, I understand what Katy has experienced. There are plenty of vicious online attacks on those who wish to provide information and connect the stakeholders in cases of major Toyota problems. Why?

We believe it is because Toyota is keenly interested in protecting its name and reputation; the customers are a secondary thought. We, the affected Toyota owners, believe that Toyota will not acknowledge its vehicle defects properly, honestly.

We want to send a message that we will not be silenced. We want others to benefit from our experiences; we want the safe, reliable vehicles promised to us. We want Toyota to stop blaming the vehicle owners for inherent, major, safety-related problems.

Thank you, Katy! Encourage your Toyota associates to do the same! Cover up? Deception? Fraud? Many Toyota owners say so! Google “Toyota Sludge Petition” to learn more.

Charlene Blake
cblake@erols.com
Toyota Owners Unite for Resolution: Toyota Engine Oil Sludge

Uhh Charlene, why do you still own a Toyota then?

Hockey, deantj and Gauge
Veda: good question

Thirty years ago, were pro-domestic buyers as arrogant and naive as the import-humpers (Charlene, tripleonefive, and planet_drive) of today? If they were, then I say that we’re getting what we deserve.

Er… should probably clarify the statement. Not related at all to the lawsuit, but to owners of imports who are blindly loyal to the brand just because of a stupid misperception that domestic quality sucks.

Its clear that this is all GMs fault Look at the last 20 years and see where the short cuts were taken Gm is the short cut king

problem facing two top competitors

make it right

1115 so instead of a hostile crazy inspector its gm`s fault? i dont believe she knew about a sludge problem in an engine that only has been run for a few minutes. its profiteering at its finest.

@CTS, you just pointed out why big government is bad. Imagine that guy dictating healthcare!

Its just an allegation, no proof. Toyota/GM know that they have no interest in letting defects roll of the line because it would cost them 100x more to fix it later either in a re-call or lawsuit. This is just frivolous lawsuit.

It’s funny to see that the $5M lawsuit is aimed specifically at Toyota. Funny because I remember clearly how 1115 claimed the Toyota’s off this assemblyline were superior to their mechanically identical Pontiac twins because Toyota supposedly did an extra quality inspection, whereas Pontiac said “fück that inspection crap” - of course he only claimed it and did not back it up. Anyway - goes to show you how good Toyota’s quality inspections are.

Broken trucks, broken motors, tranny problems fuel pipe leaks, charred bodies. Ohhhhh what a feelin’ ! ! ! !

lol I said this before in another post. Here I come Ford! lol

“Broken trucks, broken motors, tranny problems fuel pipe leaks, charred bodies. Ohhhhh what a feelin!’”
Good stuff, man.

Comment by RicardoHead

is it Singh, or Sing, LLN.

It’s Driver error.

REBUTTAL FOR CHARLENE BLAKE:

The real causes of the Toyota specific issue are still unknown, and there has been a tremendous amount of speculation about it over the years.
I disagree with Charlene Blake’s narrow focussed assessment of the sludge problem.
She blames Toyota exclusively, where in fact the issue is a complex one with any number of possibilities.
Her frequent appearances on the net are characterized by generalities and politicized rhetoric which appear to be thinly veiled attempts to raise alarm by innuendo and inference.
When pressed for facts and verification, she craftily avoids these challenges, and when she does respond, it’s always with more alarmist rhetoric.
The absence of factual and verifiable evidence in any of her remarks is conspicuous; it certainly doesn’t point to credibility.
While I hesitate to use the term ‘lies’ in describing much of the rhetoric she liberally dispenses, I must say it seems she does take some pretty wild liberties with the truth!!

Im glad i don’t own either one. I wanna know why she didn’t speak out sooner. I’m sure their is much more to this case then LLNews knows.

I drive one of those jobs from NUMMI and actually have not had problem in 15 months (one nail in the tire). Of course after this post my brakes will freeze and seatbelt will bust during short stop. The end is near: I will test the strength of the windshield with my skull. Did anyone see any complaints about windshields?
I do believe that a lot of QA folks are deranged, but I don’t know if Mrs. Cameron is. Let’s hope that her lawyer is better trained then GM’s. System will decide who is insane or guilty of evil doing (do I sound like George W? it’s not even SNL).
Mr. Gurinder Singh maybe an ace racer behind wheel of the faulty Toyota, but traveling through “Indian” territory in state of NJ I see a lot of non-native Indians who would benefit from driving a donkey vs. car. Great majority of them drive Corolla. The worst part of that experience that drivers smell like WWII german submariners after month in the sea and give garden state adverse publicity.

This lady is a nut job and her lawyer is a typical blood sucking shark. Her accusations of defects are completely inconsistent with the reported quality levels of the vehicles produced by the plant. The Corolla and Matrix consistently generate high quality ratings in JD Powers, Consumer Reports, Strategic Vision, etc. If what she was accusing was true, there would be systematic quality problems reported by owners, and its just not the case.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….huh? Gm in another one of its famous lawsuits, Nothing new here

Gents, the lawsuit is driected at Toyota, not GM.

Prove it, prove it, prove it. I’m in Toyota’s corner on this one.

By the article I’m ready, someone did prove it. Granted that’s one out of many. But this is still early stages, and I feel if this is true, plenty more will pop up. Either way this will come out in the wash one way or another. I can’t side with either the complantent or defender. If this is true, that plant is in deep.

CA3 - I agree, I’m in Toyota’s corner and want them to win. I also think the alleged “allowed defect” is BS.

Still, since GM and Ford are always getting beaten up by bullshìt lawsuits, I’m glad to see it happen to Toyota now too.

Next up, 3 soccer-moms in their new Accords will break their nails buckling up, and Honda will get sued. It’ll also be bull, but the joy of frivolous lawsuits must be shared. ‘Tis the season…

R-head: The system isn’t set up to properly and quickly get rid of the few frivolous lawsuits that actually exist, like this one.

Its clear that this is all GMs fault Look at the last 20 years and counting

Good one, LP640.

Yes, LP640, that was sarcasm. Dip ****.

I’m not sure if people realize this but Toyota, GM…whoever…sells A LOT of cars. Forget whatever lawsuit claims this woman has made for now. Let us say 10…or even 50 people who have a Corolla/Matrix/Vibe sue Toyota/GM/NUMMI for faulty seatbelts or some other similar defect. It would support this woman’s claim and make it seem she is telling the truth. Nevertheless, Toyota/GM combined sells over 400K iterations of the models a year. No matter how much you check for quality, there are ALWAYS going to be hidden defects in a small amount of those cars.

However, I will say that I’m surprised that the majority of this forum is actually calm to consider all the facts. Maybe because it implicates Gm along with Toyota, and not just Toyota.

Yes on the stats and the odds, Kaizen, no on the “implications.”

Of course any company that mass manufactures will have a few defective components. All of us realize that.

Which is why your “implicates GM” comment is a bit overdoing it. There are some “domestic-fanboys” here, just like there are “import-humpers.” In total both groups are maybe 10 to 15% of the posters. The other 85% try to be reasonably fair in their assessments, maybe admitting a preference while still being fair. Those are the bulk of posters in this thread, plus I believe everyone is sick of these frivolous lawsuit ässwipes and the fact that our crappy courts give them the time of day.

LLN consists of:

20% rabid import humpers
10% equally-moronic foreign bashers
70% moderate posters who take **** from the import humpers because they are actually fair