Hopefully ford has something good up its sleeves. Its having its first major competition in years with the camaro and challenger.And it doesnt seem as easy to outpace them as was before. Expect some engine changes, and some new features as with all new mustangs.

I love it when my car predictions come true (as they almost always do). Early on, I said that Camaro would eat Mustang’s lunch. And so it does.

Ford can option Mustang to death and monkey with the powertrains all it wants, yet stock Camaro SS will reign supreme. Plus, if you’re Ford, how do you option away the fact that your cars are BORRRRRR-ING???

The Transit is the quintessential Ford — pure boredom and orthopedic retardedness.

I saw Ford Mustang V6 with 3.5 Liter Duratec (non EcoBoost) in the option list along with the old 4.0L V6 in the car dealer’s computer. So that should be a good idea of the next Mustang V6. About 250+ HP. I don’t think Ford will go Twin Turbo on the V6.

howsmydriving.
check this out you might like it
http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t158/arrinef/?action=view&current=motivator1e14c823e891e6b0ce30467f09.jpg

howsmydriving

hahaha…… your post ROCKS!!
you are correct who does Ford think they are now they got a slight lead in sales with their dated lookin’ Fusion. now they are goin to attempt to revive sales of their Mustang which they havent put in hardly anywork in since its intro some 4 years ago except sum recent minor nose and rear job thats it!! Here Camaro has a BRAND NEW CAR for 2010. Give the consumer what they want to drive the Camaro. If Ford was so confident in their Mustang, then why are they running nervously back to the drawing board so early after a new car introduction.

Eminem u suck just like Ford!!

I keep hearing that Camaro sales will once again go below the Mustang once this intro period is over. I do see a good drop in sales starting in the fall of 2011(after summer selling season) but not as much as some feel it will be.

Reason is is that the Camaro is so hot looking. Every time a person sees one they just cannot believe a car looks so good. Chevy NEEDS to improve the interior though and hopefully a 2012 redo will make that happen.

Why so much hate?
Ok, setting aside any Ford vs. Chevy vs. anyone postion that some would like to make, anyone interested in these cars should hope that at least the Camaro survives…the camaros competition has helped Ford finally put a good base engine in the Mustang, and most likely the next revision of the Camaro will have a 325hp v6…these things are good for all. I dont favor either car, but come on be realistic. Also, I don’t see any serious performance figures that would indicate one car dominates the pack, so other than internet fanboys who will probably never own one, the cars perform similar enough in the real world that people probably won’t care when shopping around, it’ll be up to style or quality or some other factor. ENOUGH OF ALL THIS FORD AND CHEVY BASHING, if you dont have a valid comment, please dont post it.

WHEN FORD CAME OUT WITH THE 05 MUSTANG AND ITS RETRO DESIGN, CHEVY STARTED CRYING AND MADE THEIR OWN, SAME STORY FOR THE CHALLENGER. IF IT WERENT FOR THE STANG THERE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A CAMARO, TRANS AM, OR ANY OTHER MUSCLE CAR. YOU GUYS SHOULD THANK THE MUSTANG FOR THE REVIVAL OF THE CAMARO, AND HOPE GM DOESNT DO ANYTHING STUPID TO KILL IT OFF AGAIN, I AGREE THE CAMARO KICKS ASS, IM NOT DISSING IT, IM ACTUALLY GLAD ITS BACK FOR NOW FORD IS PUTTING A POTENT ENGINE BACK IN THE STANG. THE MUSTANG WAS BORN IN 64, THEN CHEVY CRIED AT HOW BAD THEY NEEDED A FOUR SEATER V8 POWERED CAR TO FIGHT THE STANG, THEN IN 67, BOOM CAMARO WAS BORN, SHORTLY AFTER CAME CHARGER, TRANS AM, CUDA. COME ON AND STOP BEING SO IGNORANT. CAMARO IS BADASS, BUT THE MUSTANG WILL PREVAIL, AND HAS BEEN FOR THE BAST 48 YEARS. NOT TO MENTION THE MUSTANG HASNT BEEN KILLED OFF, LIKE THE SO CALLED “LEGEND” THAT THE CAMARO IS.HAHA DONT LEGENDS NEVER DIE?

eminem,
you need help

!!!damn j-dubb, you got knocked out by slim shady!!!haha thats the most agressive post i’ve seen by eminem. or betta yet, by anyone on here. i’ve only seen these kinda posts by johnnykanuck, and borat. but man eminem served ya!!

and not to mention his facts are legit. thats crazy!! yo

@howsmydriving: Dude you are hilarious. What are your further predictions? Like there will be no sun during night? Camaro is after 7yr break and Mustang was in production 4yrs, only updated. What do you expect?

so, wait…it took chevy 111 more horse power, a 6 speed manual trans, an independent rear suspension, brembo brakes, and 2 movies as advertising to beat a lowly Mustang GT that has 315hp, a 5 speed, factory ford brakes, and a solid rear axle? wow, thats really pretty sad if you think about it

I am wondering whether or not the an ecoboost engine will be available. They must, at least try, to put one one for a short term since the ecoboost sales are doing good.

i am impressed with eminem’s post.
im a camaro guy all the way, but i gotta give props where its due.
And since he put it that way, its true. I wouldnt be driving my z28 had there not been a mustang. I never thought about it like that. i always thought the mustang was a rip from the corvette, but the thunderbird was copy, and the mustang was the pioneer…….i should have paid attention in history class

Well is funny to read all these post against Ford, specially when one have to consider that Ford was the only American Car Co that not used taxpayer money to survive….
But let’s see:
Ford Fusion is the best selling car (Domestic)
Ford Transit blew the estimate sales by 59%
Ford Taurus is exceding it monthly sales by42%
Ford Market saher has increased by 4% in the last 9 months.
Ford has declare a pre tax revenue of 1 Billion for its third Q.
And besides all these goos point Ford share is at $9.00 and looks like will keep going up!!!

Can GM (Goverment Motors) and Chrysler (Chrysler-Fiat) claim the same????? No. They chose the easy way, taking money out of our pockets and then going Chapter 11, and now all of you are yieling that these two companies are the greatest proud of America??!!! No, the greatest proud of America is Ford Motor Co because they did everything to survice and they did it. And today Consumer Report is stating that they are as good as Honda and Toyota products are.

I wish GM and Chysler can survive and get stronger but that can’t erase the fact that Ford did not took our money to survive.

Hate to bust the bubbles but believe it or not the Mustang was a reply from Ford to the Corvair which came out in ‘60. I know it does not sound reasonable but the Corvair Monza was the first lightweight “sporty” vehicle and the Mustang was a better response to it.

I know you guys are used to a lot of bullshlt on this site so here is a link:

http://www.online-racer.com/corvair&mustang.htm

As they might say in Rome, “a funny thing happened on the way to the forum.” The Corvair had ignited a fire under the … um … butts of some other very significant competitors, including some other GM divisions. One major competitor, whose pockets weren’t quite as deep as GM’s, went to the parts bin and designed a new model from existing pieces. The undercarriage, suspension, engine, transmission, and all the running gear was comprised of parts they already had in the production stream. Their biggest investment was a new and attractive body. It was introduced on April 17, 1964, as the Mustang. It was a clutch home run for Ford Motor Company; their North American operations were tremendously talented at losing money under Henry Ford II. The European operations and the Mustang were among their profit centers for many years.

Carstuff
im sorry my friends but i was indeed aware of the corvair, but like i said the mustang was the first 4 seater V8 sports car. The corvair was a V6. Now if you must have proof, well here it is
http://hubpages.com/hub/Birth-of-the-Chevrolet-Corvair

Like i said before, the mustang is the original pony car. P.S. thanks to all who agree with my post.

GTDI,
I agree with you!

Hey everybody!, Ford Freaking Owns. No Bailout money/fuel efficient cars/ Quality= Everything every other american brand isnt.

I’m more interested in knowing what kind of horsepower the new 5.0 GT motor will crank out.

Hey Ford Man! Show me a major American car compnay that doesn’t owe it’s shirt to somebody! Ford was just the first to borrow money, from the private sector rather than the government. They still own next to nothing outright. Now does being the first to mortgage your whole comany to stay afloat make you the best? Props where it’s due though, their product has gotten much better in the latest generation. Just ask Motor Trend.

Oh and can I see the option list for the 2011 Kia Rio? It’s bound to be about as interesting as this. Man I’m surley today.

EMINEM – Actually I believe the Plymouth Barracuda was the first V8 Sporty 4 seater when it came out April 1, 1964. It just did not sell nearly as well as the Mustang did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Barracuda

and i highly doubt the camaro and charger drew inspiration from the first cuda.

Eminem – I never said that Mustang or Camaro drew inspiration from the first Barracuda. I said it was technically the first pony car to the market beating the Mustang by 2 weeks. I know the Mustang was not modeled after it as the development on it was already done when the Valient based Barracuda came out. But, it was the first 4 seat fastback pony car to the market. The Mustang was the first successful one to market which Chevy copied with Camaro. As for the Charger, why are you throwing that in there? That is not even a pony car.

i threw in the charger for it was a 4 door v8 car as well. i never said you said it drew inspiration. but the whole deal behind my argument was the whole mustang & camaro history. Which the camaro was based on the success of the mustang.
I gotta admit ajm11, i like going back and forth with you, you seem to be the only member on LLN, that isnt disrespectful, and argues with maturity.

to zfenderguy
Ford was just the first to borrow money, from the private sector rather than the government. / What’s wrong with this? As a matter of fact I am proud of this and every single american should be too, why? Because Ford decide to take the hard path rather to run in to Goverment arms and take the easy way, hurting even more our pockets. If they do everything wrong they will lose all their money, not the taxpayer money.

They still own next to nothing outright. Now does being the first to mortgage your whole comany to stay afloat make you the best? / Yes!, because the are taking a big risk and therefore they will put their best effort in building the best cars and trucks for America and the rest of the world, if they fail then they lose their money andtheir company. The other example is GM, is they fail we will be losing all the money that the Goverment dumped in to GM and Chysles. If that doesn not make a different for you then you have to go back to your school.

Props where it’s due though, their product has gotten much better in the latest generation. Just ask Motor Trend. / Today’s Fords are among the best cars you can get in the market.

Eminem – I always try to treat people with respect, especially others that show respect. That being said, out of all the originals, I am have always liked the 64 Mustang and I can say that the Barracuda styling did not do anything for me until they changed it in 1970.

senior year 1988, i had this amazing 67 gt fastback i got from my uncle, i had it up until i had my kids in 96, and i had to sell my car to my cousin. A 97 explorer replaced the stang which my wife still drives today. But man do i miss that car……..

Great debate people. As thrilling as 100+ posts on a 4 cylinder Buick or zip-ties can be this is just a tad more engrossing.

I still say the biggest mistake in the current pony car revival was Chrysler’s decision to go with the Challenger as opposed to the Barracuda. As was pointed out the ‘Cuda has way more history behind it and quite frankly it’s just a more revered name even in collectible circles today. How cool would it have been to have a one-off Plymouth or even better how about a Charger based Road Runner to back it up? I’m sorry, but both those names are just too good to waste.

EMINEM – I wish I could say I owned a nice piece of American Muscle like that. Unfortunately, my first car was an 87 Integra. I almost bought a 69 Mach 1 when my girl friends father needed cash fast but unfortunately for me he realized he would never have had a chance to buy it back from me. I also was looking at a 69 Camaro RS back in 2000 until I lost my job back then. Closest muscle car I came to owning was my parents 70 Skylark.

The Camaro sux

johnnycanuck – You are right, the Road Runner and Barracuda names are too good to waste. I can not remember who did this but someone took a brand new challenger and turned it into a close of a 71 Cuda I believe. Looked fantastic.

http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/3611108/aview/HXC2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.projectcuda.com/&h=450&w=600&sz=95&tbnid=qnDkBLWEctGIIM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHXC%2BCuda&hl=en&usg=__9b5f11j7lm2uWWGsPmIg4vOXV2U=&ei=KWoFS52ZLoKgMMXXlcAK&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image&ved=0CAkQ9QEwAQ

wow, now thats amazing.A Cuda would have been awesome.

GTDI – I see your point and respect your well thought out rebuttal. I find it refreshishing that my criticism was met with honest opinion rather than the typical flaming and general bashing from idiots. Concerning Ford and their financial position relative to GM and Chrysler. Practicing good capitalism and borrowing money against your assets is far better than running to the goverment and selling your soul to stay afloat, but my point was that Ford was in no better position than the other 2 in the first place, they just got to the cheese first. All good though, they have the healthiest pulse of the 3 at this point, with GM running a close 2nd IMO.

I’m interested in the DI 3.7 V-6 as the real underdog in the muscle car war going on. The light weight, low cost, high custom-ability as well as the relative high level of refinement of that car could make it the real winner and prove to be the best buy out of all the Big 3 Muscle cars.

Too bad andy was on about what happens to these cars – like the Camaro – is that who buys them creates the stigma that makes you just say fvck it and go out and buy the GT.

The biggest advantage to Ford with the Mustang is the uptime that Ford will acquire when GM goes completely under, and the Camaro brand is bought by a new owner; it simply takes a lot of time when businesses change hands. Ford started this category, and Ford will end this category. Great job Ford on the Mustang!

Soravia
I saw Ford Mustang V6 with 3.5 Liter Duratec (non EcoBoost) in the option list along with the old 4.0L V6 in the car dealer’s computer. So that should be a good idea of the next Mustang V6. About 250+ HP. I don’t think Ford will go Twin Turbo on the V6.

Soravia?
I work for a Ford Dealership.. My question to you is this? Did you see this in fdealer because you know as well as I do these are not on locate yet because they are not even being built yet. Where did you get this information?

Will they ever offer a factory-installed sunroof on their options list? I’ve looked at a Mustang a couple of times over the past few years to replace the beloved Prelude, but always walked away shaking my head because Ford just never seems to want to offer this basic option that almost every other car has. When you live in a sunny state and do not want a convertible or a fixed glass rood, the Mustang falls off the list time and time again.

zfenderguy – Thanks for your words, I really enjoy chatting here, as you said with respect and also serious statement.
About your last comment, this is what set leaders apart, when they can foresee what is going to happend and make desitions to be in better shape than its competitors. GM and Chysler were in the same boat but they did nothing when they could. Then they did have no option than selling their soul to the Goverment, which was their only option at that time.

I tell you I am proud of FORD. Mulally did a great movement and thanks to this right desition they were able to launch:
Refreshed Fusion – 2010 Car of the year.
New Taurus
New F-150
all new Fiesta
and the all New Focus.
Eco Boost engine L 4 and V6
If we are able to see the future, then a see an even brigther future for Ford and the naciest thing is that all this change cost nothing to the taxpayer. I am proud of this comapny because they reflex what we are caplacle to do when we work together. This mentallity is what build America and for sure lead our founders to foresee the great future this country had and will have. Ford represent all this to America.

GM and Chrysler are great companies, but they jus show how conformatble is not to fight and also not to make the right desituion on time. All the product they are showimg us (I am talking about GM) were designed before their went in to a chapter 11 and before the bailout. But they failed in bringing all this new and nice product on time.

I just hope GM can put the emphasis in QUALITY as Ford has been doing llately

Hey Eminem,
You do realize the Corvair was an OPPOSED 6, not a V6, right?

Until ford puts some new engines under the hood of this car, Camaro will continue to reign supreme. Where is this 400hp 5.0 “Coyote” we’ve been reading about for a year now? How about a more fuel-efficient replacement for that boat-anchor V6?

Come on… seriously. A V6 Camaro will outrun a Mustang GT. What is with that?

I have to agree with Eminem and GTDI.

Ya have to remember that Ford has also won car of the year and truck of the year too.

2010 Ford Fusion was name Motor Trend car of the year

2009 Ford F150 name Motor Trend Truck of the year

Ford Company has been name one of the best safety from Insurance

Ford made a smart move before the economic goes down, but GM and Chrysler has done nothing. The 5.0L Coyote is still in process and it will be for 2011 or 2012. In Shelby website, that Shelby are still decide either they going to use Coyote or 3.5L Twin-turbo.

GM has been crying about no muscle car since 2002 after camaro and firebird was been remove, but if you guys really looking at the engine size in Ford. it actually Ford has more fuel efficient then GM and Chrysler. Think about it, Camaro and Charllenge has to use premium gas, and Mustang only use regular gas to make almost same MPG during the compare.

No IRS?
That’s one of the main reasons the Camaro is better than the Mustang. A solid rear axle is ludicrous in this day and age.
I heard it only adds $100 to the cost of the car, which begs the question why Ford let the car be built without IRS and why the Chevy Cruze doesn’t have it either.

Steve, The reality of the IRS debate is that in this type of car IRS is not a critical factor. Every one who has compared the Camaro to the current Mustang finds the handling of the Mustang to be far supieor. There were many 2003-2004 SVT Mustang owners who REMOVED the IRS and reinstalled a solid axle

Yep I sure liked those 2006 Camaros……oops GM wasn’t building those road turds anymore. Poor boys vette I guess.
Yep I need one of those All Americian musclecars. designed in Australia, built in Canada and schleped to mulleted gray hairs presiding in American trailer parks.
I was driving past a McDonalds the other day and a red camaro piloted by an overweight 50 somehting pulled into traffic and I couldn’t help but notice how the thing looked like a clown shoe. I mentioned it to the person I was riding with and he said “yeah…Ronald Mcdonalds roller skate”.
Yep keep cheering on the Austrailian/Canadian/Goverment Motors clown shoe.
PS GM Where is my Money

RaineMan, I think you should do some more research before you post. Where is the 5.0? It’s coming out in MY2011 and job 1 starts mid-March…so that’s where it is. A more fuel-efficient V6? That too is coming out for next model year with a 3.7 liter V6 that’s used in the Lincoln MKS…315 HP and achieves better gas mileage than the outgoing 4 liter. And it hasn’t been talked about for a year…news of these two engines was just released a few months ago. And no, a V6 camaro will not outrun a V8 mustang…that’s just an asinine statement at best. And when you do start seeing 5.0 mustangs on the street next April it will absolutely stomp an SS. Camaro is a fat ass.

Road_ams
i’m impressed my friend

Well… pardon my exaggeration.

The ‘10 GT does the quarter in the high 13’s and the ‘10 Camaro V6 does it in the low 14’s. We’re talking like a half-second difference in the two, which is really negligible and can be attributed to differences in track condition, driver skill, and weather. On the streets, that’s pretty much even.

Has any reputable auto reviewer lined them up side by side yet? I haven’t seen any reports.

its not all about straight line man… as its been pointed out many, many times. The current gt mustang has better suspension then the camaro ss. The GT can handle a SS on the track any day, so a V6 camaro wouldn’t even stand a chance.

Sorry raineman you are still wrong the v6 camaro is mid 14’s meaning it will still get beat by a 99+ GT and the reason for that is torque. People continually talk about horsepower and ignore torque numbers. The 05+ GTs will run mid 13s leaving the camaro v6 at least a second behind and thats because it had the same horsepower, more torque and get them both at lower rpms. Not to mention the camaro is a fat pig

Yeah, ill have to agree with the majority in this forum, looks like educated opinions. Do keep in mind too that because GM and Chrysler declaired BK their debts are wiped clean… Ford doesn’t have that working in their favor, and they are still better off than the other two. At least they are paying back their debtors instead of taking the easy way out.

No way the v6 camaro beats a v8 mustang. And the 5.0 will add more power to a lighter vehicle… u do the math

I hope Ford pulls it’s head out of it’s ass and gives the car IRS.

And before any of the blind Ford cheerleaders start whining about handling…the IRS Camaro handles FAR better than the stock Mustang. Only when the Mustang has the Track Pack option does the handling gap close.

So…the Mustang needs special “enhancements” to handle like the IRS Camaro.

here is an good comparison.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/11/02/feature-fall-muscle-car-challenge-camaro-ss-vs-challenger-rt-vs-mustang-gt.htm?page=all

RaineMan, first it’s straight line performance, now it’s track handling…make up your mind man. And according to the C&D challenge the Mustang still comes out on top. There’s no magic happening with the Track Pack buddy, trust me. I’m failing to see any headway with your arguments here.

Hey realist the mustang track pack was out before the camaro so your logic is flawed. The realistic way to look at it is the camaro needed IRS to try to keep up with the stang on a track………… FAIL

I knew this would happen simply because the MUSTANG was the “old man on the block”. It’s still the handling champ, which is hard to believe but still true, but that’s not what people buy Muscles cars based on traditionally is it?

The Camaro really has two things going for it.

1. Bumblebee. That Yellow @$$-kicking TF is doing for the CAMARO what KITT did for the FIREBIRD back in the day. Too bad KITT couldn’t do the same for the MUSTANG but then the new KNIGHT RIDER show was only slightly better than SEAQUEST’s abysmal third and canceled season. If anything, that probably hurt the MUSTANG. FORD needs to find a new “Steve McQueen” or “Bullit”.

2. It really delivers on absolutely everything, whether they said it out loud or not, that fans and buyers wanted since 2002. Bigger, beefier, retrospective/future-modern styling, up-to-date engines and suspension, and still pretty affordable though it does cost about $3K-5K more, across the board, than the F-bodies did. Any other complaints are because you wanted a car that costs $20K more. Go there and buy that or shut it and enjoy the car.

I don’t think the MUSTANG is going to make a comeback this car around but will tighten the gap until the next ‘STANG is out around 2012 or 2013. Although if things get really upsetting, FORD could opt for a sooner launch of the next MUSTANG. That one should be based on the then current AUS FALCON, both cars being developed at the same time, with IRS, a lower weight (Under 3500lbs with the V8), a higher performance spec, better Trannies maybe even Transaxles (6-7speed DCG, developed for some new LINCOLN product at that time as well), and likely a GT with a TTV6 (the V8 pushed back for the “Super-stangs”). Sadly I think that this new MUSTANG will cost even more than the CAMARO, even if it beats it at everything but a straight line. Again, not really what buyers buy Muscle Cars for typically. Though if FORD can contain costs, not try to fleece buyers, and really court the youth and tuner markets, the MUSTANG could serious dent the CAMARO.

But I’ll wait for the 2011 Mustang. I just like the look of it more and it is still the handling champ.

*C’mon DODGE, get in there and challenge them… (disgruntled sigh)

“My name is CHALLENGER and I am the champ of nothing.
I am built to last.. at least as long as the car note.
I am fast… but only in a straight line.
I can take corners… but you’ll need to spend a few grand on upgrades to get me to that point
I am cool… if you are over 40.
My name is CHALLENGER and… Dear lord…
FIAT HELP ME!!!!
I’m overweight, under-powered, and I look like the first car my Dad drove as a kid.
I’m not a challenger. I’m not even a contender!
I wanna be cool, and fast, and lose at least 400lbs!
Heck I’m go Mid-sized if it’ll help!
Just do something! *Whimper and sob*”

Blakkarr,
What on earth was that? Are you really serious? You seriously disappoint me. But i’ll cut you some slack.

Hey everybody,Ford SUCKS! Nothing like playing follow the leader,next they’ll rename the Cratang,the Assclown mobile,that out-dated retro piece of crap! BaaaaaaaWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I saw it on Army AAFES car sales dealer’s made to order screen. I didn’t get a good look at the time, but the sales person was trying to show a friend of mine on V6 Mustangs.

Hey everybody! FORD RULES! GM ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO STEAL MONEY AND STEAL IDEA FROM OTHER PEOPLE.

I’d buy the Mustang over all the other pony cars. The Camaro and Challenger look like over stuffed pigs. They look HUGE, but the interiors are tiny.

A guy I work with we all call “Mullet Boy” bought a new Camaro. First thing was sit it up on blocks in front of his single wide to “fix it up”. Apparently it didnt come whored up enough from the factory for him. It took him less than a month to get all the proper Camaro parts rounded up and installed………full race floor mats, over size seat covers, fuzzy steering wheel cover, some of those faggy blue headlights along with some 30 year old rusted Cragar SS wheels and Maypop tires . The crowning deal was the bolt on alum wing and chrome stick on flames and fender vents from Pep Boyz.

Yeppers, now it looks like a real Camaro!

stang’s got nothin to worry about…craparo has no sustainable future and wil die away like it did before and the challenger, well we all know where chrysler is headed.