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Legislation to mandate minimum vehicle sound levels coming

04/09/2008, 1:00 PM

By paulee

With the increasing numbers of quiet-running hybrid or electric vehicles on U.S. roads today, concerns are growing for the safety of pedestrians, and specifically the blind, who often rely on the sound of vehicles to get around safely and independently. As such, legislation that would set a minimum sound level for vehicles is slated to be heard by the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday. If passed, the law would require all cars sold in the U.S. by as early as 2010 to emit a minimum decibel level, one way or another, although no numbers have yet been set.

The bill would first require the U.S. Secretary of Transportation to perform a study, with input from organizations representing the blind and other pedestrians, to determine if a minimum sound level is required, and if so, what it should be. Under the proposal, automakers would have two years to make their vehicles, hybrid or otherwise, meet the criteria.

Last November, SAE International set up a task force to study the effects of quiet vehicles, with findings expected by the end of 2008.

The idea is not new, as Fisker had a speaker system planned for its Karma hybrid, though that system is also meant to stimulate engine sounds for their aural entertainment for the driver.

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04/09, 1:04 PM

posted by:

Need4SSpeed

Time to start investing in those Sound boxes, so your Prius or Smart Car, or Volt can sound like a Ferrari, or muscle car, or the days of loud rumbling V8’s that will be a thing of the past… (I pray not)

04/09, 1:11 PM

posted by:

lucklaster

Just make it sound like Flows or Magnaflows.

04/09, 1:18 PM

posted by:

400horseSS

What happened to looking both ways?

04/09, 1:20 PM

posted by:

jdasch1

How about the blind and deaf people…maybe a minimum SMELL level should be mandated…good god, when will congress and the government do something really worth writing about.

04/09, 1:30 PM

posted by:

A4

TAKE THAT PRIUS!

04/09, 1:31 PM

posted by:

jackjimturkey

Put in a set of “V8 roar” speakers

04/09, 1:32 PM

posted by:

A4

maybe blind people should just wear orange DOT vests that say BLIND on them… there would be alot less of those than there would be of stupid speakers making noise

04/09, 1:34 PM

posted by:

Richard

No. 3. 400horseSS wrote What happened to looking both ways?

They can’t look both ways. In fact, they can’t even look one way. That’s what being blind means.

No. 4. jdasch1 wrote … good god, when will congress and the government do something really worth writing about.

There is a blind school in my neighborhood. We have a large number of students on our streets who are learning how to fend for themselves. In the last 20 years of her life, my grandmother suffered blindness due to cataracts. If it is all the same to you, I will forgive Congress its transgression of trying to ensure the safety of the students in my neighborhood and of old women like my grandmother.

04/09, 1:42 PM

posted by:

RaineMan

Perhaps Congress should do more to educate drivers and enforce safe and courteous driving habits when around pedestrians. Cars don’t need to be louder… drivers need to yield when they see someone crossing a street.

04/09, 1:45 PM

posted by:

jdasch1

More noise = more pollution. Noise is also a cause for health problems. So Richard I guess back in the horse and buggy days, at least the horse made snorting sounds…that would qualify wouldn’t it?? I bet if you look into the money behind this legislation, you will see oil companies. Start-stop systems like the Prius, Civic Hybrid and others have save gas…millions of barrels a day if all vehicles were mandated to have them. So now they have to emit noise for blind people. What kind of noise is acceptable? Piston engine noise? Music ? Beeps? The debate will go on and on.

04/09, 1:47 PM

posted by:

johnnycanuck

Had me worried for a second there- thought this had something to do with driving while getting head.

04/09, 1:49 PM

posted by:

400horseSS

^LMAO

04/09, 2:08 PM

posted by:

RaineMan

I can fix this easily. Free pack of baseball cards with every new car purchase.

Anyone who has ever had a bicycle will know what I’m talking about.

04/09, 2:11 PM

posted by:

400horseSS

Between the spokes, funny as hell

04/09, 2:12 PM

posted by:

400horseSS

Well Richard get a seeing eye dog.

04/09, 2:23 PM

posted by:

jumpoffit

isn’t this why we have HORNS in our cars? honk honk, move- get out the way

04/09, 2:25 PM

posted by:

Commodore

Ridiculous. I do like the idea – I wish all cars can sound like that GT500 that I drove, but it is funny how on one side you have the people that want less “noise-pollution” because cars are too loud and want to build 50 ft falls to hide freeways and others – the blind – who can’t hear the cars. I have heard of this before – a blind man getting hit by a Prius because he didn’t hear it (and the Prius owner, like all most Toyota-worshipping treehuggers) was too stupid to see him

04/09, 3:21 PM

posted by:

davebo

Yes Commodore, people who drive hybrids are too stupid to not commit vehicular manslaughter on a daily basis. Excellent observation.

I’m interested to know what findings this study will have. Will it be completely biased for the blind and recommend some ridiculously high level to ensure everyone’s safety, or will it just be a reasonable audio level that’d you’d expect from a lightweight 4cyl? In either case, how do you all think they’d most likely achieve the minimum level? Some sort of speaker tacked on or would they just make the engine itself louder? Some sort of side vent system so the audio escapes the engine compartment more easily? Or we could all tack megaphones on our roofs and play ice cream truck songs. Sorry Billy, no King Cone for you today, its just some lady in a Prius running over another blind man.

04/09, 3:24 PM

posted by:

RaineMan

So can I use the “blind people can’t hear my car” excuse to remove my muffler?

04/09, 3:43 PM

posted by:

DeansterTJ

MAndatory subwoofers blasting all the time.

04/09, 3:51 PM

posted by:

maximus

how about legislating that there be less blind people?

04/09, 4:08 PM

posted by:

global_lightning

“Loud Pipes Save Lives”

04/09, 4:11 PM

posted by:

1c3d0g

Ridiculous! Although I do understand the concern of accidents for blind people, they shouldn’t be walking alone on streets anyway for a variety of reasons (for instance, a mugger can easily grab their belongings from them and run away). I’d rather have the Government put all their energy on setting a MAXIMUM decibel number, ’cause some vehicles are just too G-d damned loud! :evil:

04/09, 4:22 PM

posted by:

johnnycanuck

Sure, global, and the hell’s angels are just a bunch of old guys who like to ride.

04/09, 6:24 PM

posted by:

jayjc08

jdash1- That’s a really ridiculous rant. High sound levels are the only cause for concern, and the “brown noise” (just joking… ever watched Myth busters, they had tried to bust the myth of a noise producing diarrhea?). All this legislation will do is provide a basic sound noise level, probably similar to what they produce today, and will be very easy to meet (I could most likely meet such a level on a bicycle, but I’ll leave that for after they pass some silly legislation).

04/09, 6:35 PM

posted by:

jdasch1

Just making you think jay. I understand mandates when they affect a majority of us…but this is crap. Just a slap at electric drive automobiles. They are quiet, clean and fast. Why can’t they be quiet. I cannot jackhammer in my neighborhood at 10pm because it affects everyone. My electric car is whisper quiet and they should stay that way. My opinion. Noise in electric vehicle = loss of charge. Maybe the government will spend millions researching the subject, when they should give the money to the seeing eye dog organizations for extra dogs. My sister trains seeing eye dogs for the blind and she says the vast majority of blind people are hit by stupid jerk drivers, and not by quiet ones. And the vast majority of those not injured by motorists have seeing eye dogs. More dogs, more safety. More funding is needed here, not in noise making devices.

04/09, 6:35 PM

posted by:

Kaizen

“Priuses Kill Blind People”

04/09, 7:37 PM

posted by:

golf4me

What happened to looking both ways?
Comment by 400horseSS, posted on April9 at 1:18 pm

400, that was friggin funny.

I think they ought to make every Prius or any other fancy golf cart like it play ice-cream-truck music. Inside the car AND out to punish the driver for being such a putz.

04/09, 10:59 PM

posted by:

Jspeed

Wow, I’ve never heard of any legislation so crazy-sounding and that actually makes some sense at the same time.

04/10, 1:27 AM

posted by:

Richard

No. 20 @ jspeed

There is nothing crazy about it. There have already been accidents because the victim did not hear the electric car that hit him. With electric automobiles set to explode in popularity, this problem is going to grow exponentially unless something is done to mitigate it.

I know that some of you who think that the deaf and blind who are injured or killed have only themselves to blame. Others like 1c3d0g believe that we should reverse our decades long National policy to ensure that those with disabilities lead independent lives. However, this is not just an issue for the disabled.

Those of us who are sighted do have hearing as sensitive as the blind. Even our sight is limited to a field of view of bit less than 180°. No one is blinder than each of us to the >180° outside our field of view. It is worse if we stoop to tie a shoe or pick-up a dropped possession.

Complaints that the proposed law would cause noise pollution is unfounded and silly. Current law requires that trucks have warning beepers when driven in reverse. Since the advent of vehicular motion, we have always had audible warnings of approaching vehicles, be they the squeak of an ox cart, the clop of shoed horse, or the muzzled engine of a Cadillac. The sound need not be as loud as the footsteps of a woman in high heels walking down the hall.

04/10, 7:53 AM

posted by:

JohnnyBlazE

My Scorpion backbox is loud enough… to hell with quiet cars…

04/10, 11:58 AM

posted by:

lamboz get a life

where’s 1115? Oh yea, it’s not a story about domestic cars. Sorry.
Prius drivers never drive fast enough to actually hurt anybody, so whats the big deal.

04/10, 11:43 PM

posted by:

jackjimturkey

Just
A
Nitwit
Is
Tripleonefluffer’s
Only
Role

 
 
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