Lexus is what you get when you are too old for a Buick.

This car looks and feels so old already. The only thing I enjoyed while using one as a loaner was the cooled seats. those were really nice. The rest of the car – Meh just an appliance

Wow! Exciting! *YAWN*

Still looks like the same ol POS Buick wannabe that it’s always been. Lexus is a joke when you look at GM’s winning Buick and Cadillac lineups.

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM.

The Chevy Malibu smacks this POS around like a toy.

GM. An American Revolution

Too cheap for me. I’ll take the GS.

NMOFGM….good lord. Can’t LeftLaneNews just ban your continous banter? Seriously, it’s just not funny any longer. You HAVE NEVER had any positive comments for anything.

We’re all lovers of cars, whether they are quality (like the above) or pieces of trash like you promote.

6ix, you must be blind ig you think this POS Lexus is a quality piece. You should be embarrassed or maybe you just need glasses.

Be American. Buy American. buy GM

Diversity is perversity. This is GM Country.

Actually, you redneck, I’ve had Lasik, so I think my eyes are pretty good!!

I’m American, but also part of a capitalist society…I’ll buy whatever I so choose, and smart people buy what is best for them. Unfortunately, for the last 25 years, that seldom has resulted in a domestic vehicle being sold.

that sure is one fancy camry. nice job lexus on neutering your almost your entire line up of autos.
this car was definitly designed for the geriatric population.

I’d love to see a comparison chart of the resale $ of a buick vs a lexus. I’d be tickled to death.

Lol, can’t we just tickle NMOFGM to death instead?

Oh oh, I guess in a couple of years this is what the new Hyundai sedan’s will look like….

@NMOFGM, I guess you forgot about last week when everyone here was calling you an idiot for your pro-American rantings! How many international companies make vehicles in the US, supplying people with jobs first of all. For years Lexus has been considered one of the best manufacturers for build quality. Don’t call people blind when you make spelling mistakes in your own post! To call this car a POS compared to the Malibu makes you a complete retard, not just an idiot.Toyota didn’t surpass GM last year as the worlds biggest car maker by making crappy products. You may not like the design or look, but the build quality cannot be compared to GM. It’s like comparing the quality of a Nike shoe to something made by Sketchers or comparing an Apple computer to Dell or a Compaq. They are not in the same league. You’re so stupid I wonder who has to turn on your computer for you?……Moron……

nice tombstone shaped center stack. lets the driver know where he/she is headed next.

Actually these go pretty well in a straight line. The saddest part is 99% of their owners never let them.

NMOFGM just brings the level of these discussions to the 3rd grade. Stop responding to his stupid comments and he might go away

All of you posting your anti – NEED MORE OIL FOR GM comments are completely wasting your time (and ours). You are giving him precisely what he wants: Attention.

Best way to shut him up for good is to IGNORE HIM.

Stop letting him get you all worked up. You’re playing into his hands.

Most people wont know the difference between the 2009 and 2010.

You guys missed it.

In the 4th comment NMOFGM actually admits Buicks are POS’s ! ! ! !

He said this looks like it wants to be the “same ol POS Buick … so in this case, I think we can all agree with NMOFGM. Just this once.

Nice car… But for its price, we can get a bigger, RWD, V8 and much better equipped Genesis…

Unlike the creative new Sonata, the Genesis really is a Lexus copycat and seriously lacks personality… But if it delivers much more than Lexus ES for less, who cares about creativity…

And if you are on tight budget, you can have the same features, power and space as the ES for 40% less buying the new Sonata (which makes this “new” Lexus look like 10 years old).

By the way, I´m not a Hyundai owner… But I have large expectations on the next i30… If it gets as good as my Audi A3 and keep costing much less, there´s no doubt that it´ll be my next car.

Buicks are quiet and all and the new Lacrosse does look incredible but nothing beats the Lexus, they’re simply better all aroudnwhich is reflected in it’s sales numbers, quality awards, reliability, and most car comparisons. And like a Buick, they are extremely boring. At least the new ES’s getting fast engines which is something they sure didn’t used to have.

i liked the old headlights and tail lights better…they were more aggressive…this revision makes the car much more generic…boo…

I’m usually not a Lexus hater, but damn are they looking more and more plain each time, they’re starting to look like suppositories. Maybe NMOFGM can use one.

this is exciting news, folks. Instead of 12 horizontal lines for 2009, the 2010 will have, count’m 14 horizontal lines in the grille!!!!

And one of the shades of grey will be a slightly different shade of grey!!!!!!

It may not be big a difference, but the changes do provide a fresh look and retains the attractive yet conservative look. That is why it is the best all-round car in its class. If time serves me correctly, we are due for All-New models of the Camry/ES around 2012, if not sooner. With Sonata looking better stylistically and mechanically to the Camry and with other makes finally being able to compete with the ES, I would assume sooner and suspect that Toyota/Lexus is not going to take this lying down. Yes as of late, Toyota/Lexus models are starting to show their age, so if they want to remain on top of these segments then their new models are sure to impress. Only time will tell. Regardless, more competition can lead to better products and moreover possibly better deals.

Be American. Buy whatever you want.

NMOFGM: You total idiot! You said Buick is a POS! DUMB@$$!
But anyways, the Lacrosse is the only true alternative which is okay since GM is finally making a good car, BUT, I’d rather get an MKS than the Lacrosse.

Honestly, If the Lacrosse was not on the market, i would take this over any other car in its class. I honestly fall for its quality, however, i do not fall for its looks, and that is why i would choose the Lacrosse. The future of the ES is in doubt though. Toyota will either move the car of its shared platform or discontinue it for 2011. You can find this anywhere. Its been reported many times. The 2010 update was also announced along with the statement about 2011. Lexus would be making a mistake by getting rid of the ES, but they could be wanting to go further upmarket by shedding any near-luxury autos from its lineup. I admit Lexus has an amazing lineup, but the styling turns me away.

As for the haters, just be quiet. Buick is not a “POS”, nor is Lexus. Lets bring these blogs up to a first class level and stop acting childish. These comments keep me away from here. It’s impossible to stand this when you are trying to make points to people who are most likely idiot teenagers with nothing to do or pathetic adults with no jobs nor lives. At the end of the day, these comments on here do not count. What counts is what is real, and people’s so called “facts”, i.e. opinions, are not the bottom line about an automobile or anything for that matter. Grow up and be more mature or leave and let us adults make reasonable and mature comments torwards the actual article itself and not a topic someone else brought up because they cannot handle the truth.

-iluvamcars

I never said that moron. The ES Lexus is just like any other Lexus, a POS. And also a Buick wannabe, just like the Toyota Avalon. You need quality and relibility to match Buick and Lexus has none. Just what the ignorant focks in the media tell you which are all lies.

Buick is the Standard of luxury, quality and dependibility. Get that through your thick, uneducated skull before throwing out idiotic insults that only make you look stupid.

GM. An Amercian Revolution

The worst looking glrified camry ever.

@ NMOFGM
Standard of Luxury?
I’ll try to name them all: Mercedes, BMW, Audi, and? Hmm… I think that’s all…

Did they “tweak” the floormats?

@NMOFGM: I can understand your brand loyalty, but why do you disregard the fact the GM already has a division aimed towards the “Standard of Luxury”: Cadillac. Buick is not meant to crossover into Cadillac’s arena. If that is what you are proposing then GM is set to fail again. I only point this because you did not make one comment to the CTS-V sport wagon. Why is Buick so much better than Cadillac? Do you think Cadillac is a POS brand? If you were as GM loyal as you appear to be then why not back Cadillac as the prime luxury brand. No one on here will ever respect you or your posts, but you may sound less like an idiot if you were comparing like brands, such as Cadillac to Lexus.

Be American. Buy whatever you want.

PS. You spelled American wrong. It is called spell check.

IluV” I dont see Lexus discontinuing their best selling sedan. That doesnt sound too smart. I do see them moving away from the Camry platform though.

There are worse cars IMO. But the lack of any style or driver involvement take this vehicle off the list for me. Especially for the money there are better choices out there for true driver’s

By the way, The Lacrosse does look nice. It looks like a beefed up ES.

I’m not a fan of Lexus as a whole but this one takes the cake for the least interesting model they offer. You could not have a more boring car if youy tried. Maybe for some that is great (60+ year olds) but for the rest of, this is just a nicer Toyota appliance. For the money and the status you could have a nicer car. Not something ostentatious and not something fast but just something better. Infiniti G37x comes to mind. Similar price and size but with AWD and 50 more hp wrapped in a better looking (inside and out) package. And nearly equal reliability for those that care.
This car is just not for me. And I don’t think Lexus made it for a 24 year old male anyways, so I doubt they care that I don’t like it.

That is some nice paint on that Camry.

BFD

this car is hideous

I WISH WE COULD CLICK ON A BUTTON TO BAN LLN FROM POSTING LAME TOYOTA/LEXUS ARTICLES!!!! MAKING US ALL SLEEY!!!!!!!

NMOFGM- you said “Be American, Buy American”…… OK, i will just do that! I’ll get a FORD. Another thing, STOP saying “BUY”. Some of us don’t BUY cars. We LEASE.

Buy/Lease American!

Whoa. What happened to that fancy piece of equipment known as a cassette deck?

Tweaking or not, it’s still a snore-mobile. I’ll take a GS instead.

ChuckTown86, i have to disagree…i think they removed elements that gave the car character…it doesn’t look fresh to me, it looks like they took a step backwards towards a more bland appearance…the tail lights, for example, lost all the angularity they used to have, which gave it a recognizable shape…don’t ask why i focus on styling elements like lights so much, but i thought the old car had very good lights (front and rear) and this is a major step backwards into anonymity…

NMOFGM Ford kicks GM’s ass!

so they fixed the floor mats right, last thing i need is some 70+ grandma doing 120 out of control!

I’m a Lexus fan. I love Lexus, but IS, GS, LS even HS are better than ES. ES is maybe the worst looking Lexus in their lineup. I would also take GS over this one, but I have an IS.

High quality car, but its basically a dressed up camry. So why pay so much more for a this car when the Camry is basically the same car. I guess people like to tell others they drive a Lexus. Can’t imagine anyone feeling proud mentioning to others that they drive a Buick lol

Toyota is on drugs. What’s with all their whack taillight designs?

American_Cars_Crap, of course you can’t. Your screen name clearly displays your bias. You must be one of those old fashioned, closed minded, slow to respond morons that large companies’ marketing departments prey upon.

Buick has several good products and more on the way. The nameplate does have a sordid past but in your very own post you question peoples’ tendency to buy a vehicle using brand name as a factor. If you read the reviews of the latest Buick models with your hands away from your eyes, it will give you a more objectionable perspective. Not that I have any reason to defend Buick.

Once again I will ask the lemmings to stop feeding NMOFGM. He is clearly an anti-GM plant as he constantly gets people to bash on GM products by making outrageous comments that do not deserve reply. He tarnishes an otherwise worthy attempt by that company to produce seriously competitive cars. I’m sure he posts similar drive-by comments on several other websites and could not care less about automotive news. He is a hack.

No LED’s still? Dang, the MKS really is better than this, not to mention the LaCrosse.

Long live Lexus. At least they didn’t need to get government bailout money and they’re profitable. They are not owned by the government. Quality and reliability. GM sucks. Buick sucks.

After sitting in a LaCrosse today (and being blown away), there’s no way I would buy this over the Buick.

No doubt, the Lexus is a great car, but haven’t we all been looking for a domestic product worth ownership? I’m convinced it’s now available.

I can appreciate a well crafted, finely tuned, sports oriented car but I don’t understand all of the people who think the market place only supports BMW clones. This may be boring for many, but to bash every person who buys one as being ready for the grave (and even if they are so what) does not respect the market places need for a variety of cars. We all profit from it! You see these cars everywhere and Toyota must have made a huge amount of cash on this model-not so dumb in my mind. Every model has a life cycle and maybe this one is coming to an end but I would buy that car over the Acura TL anyday. The Acura may be an excellent car but in my mind its styling is hideous and I would take boring. I am not bashing the Acura, for many it’s a well crafted car with bold styling but it sure doesn’t work for me.

architect.– i totally agree with you on the new lacrosse. it’s a great car and it’s not a lexus. no, way would i buy this pricey camry over the new lacrosse. yet, the quality of the dealers is enough to sway buyer to the lexus. every buick dealer i have been in was the same good old boy network that just wants to rip people off and the salemen know very little about the product. the service is also something to worry about when it comes to the buick. i don’t see any buick dealers giving our courtesy cars for buick owners when they get their cars serviced. yet, the local infiniti and lexus dealer has great customer service with many loaner cars for their customers. this is a big deal when spending $30 to $40k for a vehicle.

als:

First of all in a modern car you shouldn’t need service that often. Overpaying for a car just to get slightly better treatment when you go in for an oil change is ridiculous in my book. Have you seen any surveys or objective data that support the notion that Buick dealers are poor? I’ve had mostly positive experiences with service at GM dealers and I have never even owned a Buick or cadillac. Saturn proved you dont have to pay a lot for a car to get decent service, its a myth reinforced by luxury brands who want to justify their high prices.

All Gm brands are to provide you with a loaner if your car needs warranty work. You probably wont get a loaner if your car is in for maintenance but that really is determined by each dealer.

I don’t believe for a second that the average Lexus salesman is truly an expert on Lexus vehicles. Most salesmen don’t impress me when it comes to knowing about their vehicles or the competition. I guarantee you the dealer isn’t going to tell me anything I couldn’t figure out with 5 minutes of internet research. Besides, buying the car is a one or two day process, its not like you have to hang with the salesman after you sign the papers.

Its funny that so many import humpers spend time bashing Buick and praising lexus as the standard of luxury. Buick was luxruy decades before Lexus ever existed. Lexus took the Buick formula and applied German styling cues. Lexus vehicles to this day are doing the same thing that Buicks have done for YEARS- provide a smooth ride and isolation from the road so you can consumer miles effortlessly. Buick got a little lost over the years, especially in the 80s but the fact remains it has FAR more history than Lexus and unlike Lexus it has a heritage of good design back in its heyday. Lexus has never had that and never will. From its inception Lexus was cloning established vehicles and selling those designs for less money and the promise of higher quality.

Buick was out of the game for a while but they have been back in it since Enclave and I would expect more strong entries going forward. With the exception of the LS400 Lexus debuted as a marque with cars that were essentially Toyotas with better interiors. Buick’s good years lasted longer than Lexus’ entire existence in the US. All Buick has to do is remember their roots and keep making great, affordable luxury cars.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/18/AR2009091802495.html

i was not trying to be a buick basher. i actually love the new lacrosse and would probably buy it over many imports. but, the fact is that the american auto makers have crappy service centers and people are tired of this issue. modern cars still need maintenance and the way that infiniti and lexus treats their customers is above and beyond that buick or any other american car makers provide. again almost every buick or gm dealer that i have been in the salemen know nothing about the car and just want to make the sale. i recently went to look at and possible test drive the new lacrosse in orlando fl. the salesman knew nothing absolutely nothing about the car and he just wanted me to look at the lucerne. it was annoying and unprofessional of the dealer to allow this type of salemenship in this time of the gm crisis.

Ignorance. I’m sick of it. sj79, our article was quite amazing and i hope many of the morons on this forum read it and remember that. Its pretty sad that everyone forgets that GM was in this country long before Toyota. GM has a much stronger heritage. They ruled the auto industry for nearly 100 years. Yes, like you said about Buick, they lost their way and forgot their amazing history, but they are working on it and are getting back on track to assure the customers are happy. Right now, just making the customer happy is the world to them.. I buy all my cars from Weber Chevrolet and i never had a problem with service. First, the buying process was easy. The dealer let me look and only talked about cars when i wanted him to. After i picked out the car he went through all the basics and the car was mine. Second, i had ran over a whole bunch of nails in my Blazer and the tire was gone. The wheel also suffered damage. It had to be repaired at the dealer. The dealer gave me a Monte Carlo to drive while my car was being fixed. The dealers do care, and any respecting mature person would care and grow to except and love GM. In the real world, millions of people enjoy GM and do not bash them. The reality is all automakers do good. Every automaker has at least one great car.

I’m going to talk about the government loans. First, GM was hit hard by the economic crisis. Their sales happen to fall worse because they were living off SUV’s and trucks and when no one wanted them anymore they were in trouble. They burned through their cash tryng to create efficient cars, and they didn’t pay much attention. They also had much debt from the past ten to fifteen years. It all looked good because reports of many small and fun cars would be coming from GM were all over the place. The reality was they did not have enough money to make it through 2009. They needed the money to pay for expenses. Unfortunatley, they Obama decided he could control GM and made things slightly unreasonable. GM had only two months to restructure, which was not enough time at all. The government decided to put them into bankruptcy. GM needed a buyer after bankruptcy to keep going so the government took a large share. What many on this site do not realize is that the government does not want to own them forever and will slowly unload their share.

However, Toyota was already relying on cars and not trucks. They also had very little to no debt. They were not effected. Now, however, they are being affected because they are not making good decisions. They have too many projects and are losing moeny.

It’s all a cycle and everyone was, is, and will be affected until the economy turns around and everything is back to where it should be.

-iluvamcars

“Unfortunatley, they Obama decided he could control GM and made things slightly unreasonable.” obviously i’m not going to agree with that statement…you’re implying he wanted control with this sentence and then state that the government doesn’t want to own shares forever and will slowly unload them…well, which is it? the two sentences are in direct conflict…obama didn’t want to control GM, but the management of GM displayed for the entire world to see that they were incapable of running the ship, and were then absolutely unqualified to fix the problems they created, therefore another entity had to step in…since there is no special forces brigade of executives in the army ready to parachute into a crumbling board room, that meant the government had to step in…

obama didn’t decide he could control GM, the previous controllers of GM failed so utterly and completely that they had to be replaced as a term of their bailout…

bottom line. the new lacrosse is just is nice or better then the ls granny 350 by lexus

leftwing, at the time Obama wanted to control things. Now the government is not out to own them. Things do change over time. Obama did decide. He decided that GM management was not fit enough and he fired them and he chose to have the government step in. While that one line may have been written slightly incorrectly and could have been reworded to sound less bias. You had to jump off the gun and point it out in a paragraph that no one will want to read. You were being more immature. You could have simply pointed out my bias mistake but you had to go off the deep end. Calm down and be reasonable. You can’t get anywhere if you act like that.

-iluvamcars

“Your CommentIts funny that so many import humpers spend time bashing Buick and praising lexus as the standard of luxury. Buick was luxruy decades before Lexus ever existed. Lexus took the Buick formula and applied German styling cues. Lexus vehicles to this day are doing the same thing that Buicks have done for YEARS- provide a smooth ride and isolation from the road so you can consumer miles effortlessly.”

sj79 and IluvAMcars are the only two logical people on this whole board. The only two who actually speak the truth rather than all the lies that the media feeds you ignorant focks. Time to grow up, listen to these two as they KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!! Damnit get witht he program.

It is time to realize that GM is the heart and soul of this great Country and we owe them our support and loyalty. Without GM this Country will be plunged into economic and social chaos that we will never recover from. This is GM Country, lets show it to them. Time to dump the tincan japcrap and Naziwagons and get into a real vehicle, one that ensures our money gets pumped back into our economy and not some foriegn scumbags who do nothing to help the greatest, most powerful nation in the world. It is our patriotic obligation to ensure that our great Automotive base in Detroit doesn’t end up like the UK where their people abandoned them for foriegn garbage. Without General Motors, there is no US of A. There will be a third world shadow of it.

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM

folks – remember the demographics. Lexus ES and RX are aimed towards affluent (older) women (55+). Those that I know who own these was the cushiness and the name.

That’s why I’m surprised that Buick would be aiming at the ES. They say that they want to significantly lower the age demographic of their brand but they chose to benchmark a car aimed at the same old targets. Buick should have taken more of an Opel/Pontiac direction.

just gotta say that Lexus’s TV ads about the hybrid right now really piss me off. I don’t know it verbatim, but they say “someday” car seats will be made from plants, and that someday is now.

Um, hey Lexus: http://www.thehenryford.org/research/soybeancar.aspx

Don’t look my name look bad NMOFGM. Your comments are wat too far past the line. Your comments are completely out of jokes and you are just doing it to piss people off. You are a fake.

-iluvamcars

” was not trying to be a buick basher. i actually love the new lacrosse and would probably buy it over many imports. but, the fact is that the american auto makers have crappy service centers and people are tired of this issue. ”

Toyota and Honda are NOT known for great service. PLEASE show me one article backing up that lie. I am so tired of people claiming that only BIg 3 dealers have poor service when JD Power and other sources do not support this. cadillac and Buick have rated well in dealer service surveys recently. ONLY Lexus is at the top amongst the imports. German dealers aren’t even in the running and Acura and Infiniti are somewhere below Cadillac. Dealers are independent companies, they are not run by automakers so this notiong that “domestic dealers” are bad and import dealers provide Ritz Carlton service is nonsense.

I would love to know when the folks constantly bashing dealer service for American brands actually OWNED an American car. Common sense tells us that Saturn (RIP) was the non luxury brand with the best service and its AMERICAN, not Japanese. I have never seen Toyota or Honda or Nissan topping any list for customer satisfaction in terms of dealership experience. Unless you have owned a Buick recently and have direct experience with a Buick dealer you are not qualified to say Buick dealers provide poor service.

“That’s why I’m surprised that Buick would be aiming at the ES. They say that they want to significantly lower the age demographic of their brand but they chose to benchmark a car aimed at the same old targets. Buick should have taken more of an Opel/Pontiac direction.”

Lets get over this idea that every car brand has to appeal to 30 year olds. Buick would be happy with affluent buyers in their 40s and 50s- the same people LExus targets. Most Enclave owners I see are in the 40-60 year old range. That is what Buick wants. Lexus owners aren’t the youngest but they are likely younger than Buick owners and richer too. Buick is going after the right crowd.

sj79– my bad, i’m totally wrong about the buick dealers. i guess thats why gm had to get billions of dollars to stay afloat, the products are go f-ing great that people are not buying them because they can’t stand driving such great cars.

once, again. if you can’t understand the above information. the lacrosse is a great car, and it is probably better then the es lexus. but, once again. dealing with the idiots that sell the cars is a hassle for many people. go to a buick that you do not know and ask them about the cars. maybe its just the dealers in central florida. i don’t know.

Everybody seems to hate on these cars Camry/ES, and I have read and seen almost every review on these cars since 89′ Camry V6 days and almost everyauto review was the same verdict smooth, bland, lack of soul, but rock solid reliabiltiy, but these cars has won numerous awards and sold millions and out here In California they seem immortal outliving most people! So lay off these cars they truly have a story to tell.

als:

As I said, if you have some sort of evidence based on customer satisfaction surveys let me know. Lexus is head and shoulders above other Japanese brands in customer service. Buick may have some work to do to get to that level but to suggest that Buick dealers are so bad that people won’t consider buying their vehicles is a stretch.

GM’s dealers are not owned by GM so blaming the dealers for bankruptcy is a little silly. Perception isn’t reality. The fact that some people wont look at GM products or aren’t aware of them doesn’t make them bad products. Most people agree Mazda makes more interesting cars than Toyota but in sales Toyota crushes Mazda. Its all based on perceptions. If we are to use the simple minded logic that sales determine who makes the best cars than Toyota makes better cars than BMW, Audi, Ferrari and Porsche. I mean, if people buy a lot of anything it MUST be great right?

Wow Lexus just showed up wannable Buick again. Don’t even try Buick to go against the top premier luxury brand that is Lexus…you’re just about to go to the pasture with ruined Pontiac almost. Lexus still has it in conservative styling. Keep up the good work Lexus.
Lexus. A Global Revolution.

New saftey in Lexus ES350. No floor mats….