Comments on: Lexus in jeopardy of losing footing in the luxury market http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:50:37 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: CTS DRIVER http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-2#comment-335267 CTS DRIVER Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:55:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-335267 exactly jack i just didnt use the name, a name shouldnt be synonomous with luxury exactly jack i just didnt use the name, a name shouldnt be synonomous with luxury

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-2#comment-334936 jackjimturkey Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:08:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334936 I think the Toyota Century is a Limo in japan. I don't see why that wouldn't be a luxury car. CTS: A cadillac Cimmaron is DEFINETELY not a luxury car. It's an overdressed cavalier. GM's worst idea ever! nagmashot: Duh! Shaq isn't the NFL's best quarterback. I think the Toyota Century is a Limo in japan. I don’t see why that wouldn’t be a luxury car.

CTS: A cadillac Cimmaron is DEFINETELY not a luxury car. It’s an overdressed cavalier. GM’s worst idea ever!

nagmashot: Duh! Shaq isn’t the NFL’s best quarterback.

]]> By: nagmashot http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-2#comment-334924 nagmashot Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:21:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334924 Lexus is not the best selling luxury brand..only because they are good in the USA does not mean anything..world wide they are only on 4th place. Lexus is not the best selling luxury brand..only because they are good in the USA does not mean anything..world wide they are only on 4th place.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334923 lucklaster Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:19:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334923 Still, it is in the perception of the beholder. To some that were born before 1960, let's say - luxury is from their experience and I might add the world of many classic things. To some that were born after 1980, let's say, the idea of classic and luxury might be exclusive and more influenced by what the current and young media writers say it is. Still, it is in the perception of the beholder.
To some that were born before 1960, let’s say – luxury is from their experience and I might add the world of many classic things. To some that were born after 1980, let’s say, the idea of classic and luxury might be exclusive and more influenced by what the current and young media writers say it is.

]]> By: CTS DRIVER http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334917 CTS DRIVER Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:05:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334917 Weeks i guess that is the question, is it automatically considered luxury because the name or the features? Weeks i guess that is the question, is it automatically considered luxury because the name or the features?

]]> By: WEKS http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334874 WEKS Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:21:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334874 Ahaa, so a fully loaded Toyota Century would not be considered luxury? Ahaa, so a fully loaded Toyota Century would not be considered luxury?

]]> By: CTS DRIVER http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334850 CTS DRIVER Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:57:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334850 Is luxury because of the name or standard features? could a 1984 cadillac with cloth seats be luxury? probably not. could a bmw with fake leather be considered luxury? mabey by name only. the avalon is considered luxury, but the toyota name would SUGGEST otherwise. Is luxury because of the name or standard features? could a 1984 cadillac with cloth seats be luxury? probably not. could a bmw with fake leather be considered luxury? mabey by name only. the avalon is considered luxury, but the toyota name would SUGGEST otherwise.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334832 jackjimturkey Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:04:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334832 WEKS: By your reasoning, Hyundai could be a luxury brand. Dodge. Rotman: I think you're on the ball. WEKS: By your reasoning, Hyundai could be a luxury brand. Dodge.

Rotman: I think you’re on the ball.

]]> By: Rotman http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334810 Rotman Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:13:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334810 I see I caused some trouble here. First of all I want to point out that the definition of luxury is highly subjective. To me it's a combination of brand (heritage), performance, status (it still works yes) and quality. I don't see Lexus as luxurious since they only seem to fit the quality part. Audi doesn't fit since I see 1000 basic A3's for every fully loaded A8. Flame away. I see I caused some trouble here. First of all I want to point out that the definition of luxury is highly subjective. To me it’s a combination of brand (heritage), performance, status (it still works yes) and quality. I don’t see Lexus as luxurious since they only seem to fit the quality part. Audi doesn’t fit since I see 1000 basic A3’s for every fully loaded A8. Flame away.

]]> By: WEKS http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334775 WEKS Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:57:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334775 You're wrong, that would be more like the definition of prestige. You’re wrong, that would be more like the definition of prestige.

]]> By: Luca http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334773 Luca Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:22:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334773 WHAT IS LUXURY? First of all is a world reknowned brand: name it Jaguar or Ferrari, Tiffany or Cartier, Armani or Gucci, Bulgari or Bentley. Try to ask anyone in Europe if they even know the name Acura or Infiniti.... Those brands aren't in the radar. Barely the Lexus name, which is heavily advertised, have some recognition only by press. WHAT IS LUXURY? First of all is a world reknowned brand: name it Jaguar or Ferrari, Tiffany or Cartier, Armani or Gucci, Bulgari or Bentley. Try to ask anyone in Europe if they even know the name Acura or Infiniti…. Those brands aren’t in the radar. Barely the Lexus name, which is heavily advertised, have some recognition only by press.

]]> By: WEKS http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334766 WEKS Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:49:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334766 I think anyone who doesn't think Lexus is luxury brand is a ignorant fool. Remember that Bentley, Rolls and the like are the so called ultra-luxury brands, which reflects in the price. Lexus isn't as luxurious as them, they aren't even trying, and neither are Mercedes, BMW and the like. I think anyone who doesn’t think Lexus is luxury brand is a ignorant fool. Remember that Bentley, Rolls and the like are the so called ultra-luxury brands, which reflects in the price. Lexus isn’t as luxurious as them, they aren’t even trying, and neither are Mercedes, BMW and the like.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334763 lucklaster Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:03:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334763 Jacqueline: Good comment. Many people think that luxury means one thing and it's their thing. I never think of Lexus in that way. But Lexus has done a good job of advancing that connection. Jacqueline:
Good comment. Many people think that luxury means one thing and it’s their thing.
I never think of Lexus in that way. But Lexus has done a good job of advancing that connection.

]]> By: Jacqueline http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334752 Jacqueline Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:20:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334752 I'm with the crowd that never really considered Lexus a luxury car on par with Bentley, Rolls, and the like. Actually, to draw a parallel to the fashion industry, Lexus is to a Louis Vuitton logo bag as a Bentley is a Hermes Birkin - they're both above average but one is on a whole other level. I’m with the crowd that never really considered Lexus a luxury car on par with Bentley, Rolls, and the like. Actually, to draw a parallel to the fashion industry, Lexus is to a Louis Vuitton logo bag as a Bentley is a Hermes Birkin – they’re both above average but one is on a whole other level.

]]> By: sharpie http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334730 sharpie Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:48:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334730 Luxury doesn't mean vague handling and automatice soft suspension. Unfortunately, Toyota/Lexus has gone "mainstream" and uh... soft! A Lexus rides more like a Buick than a BMW. Luxury doesn’t mean vague handling and automatice soft suspension. Unfortunately, Toyota/Lexus has gone “mainstream” and uh… soft! A Lexus rides more like a Buick than a BMW.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334707 jackjimturkey Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:21:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334707 First, they have to ENTER the luxury market. Tialiafan: "One cool model can change everything." So true. Rotman, true too, though I'd be more careful about throwing around the word "reliable." autonut: $70K for a toyota just show's that P.T. Barnum was right. tripleonefluffer: "All three mentioned above ARE luxury brands." Who besides you believes that? atourya: The closest thing there's ever been to a japanese luxury car is either the Mitsubishi Diamante or the Nissan Maxima. MikeFX: You forgot bentley and its ilk, and included some by mistake Fluffer: "If L---s is so boring unattractive and awful to drive why are they the # 1 luxury brand." Why are the Spurs Super Bowl Champions? Injunrav: "It is possible that LLN is becoming pro-GM. But then again, GMs products have markedly improved and have lots of good stuff in the pipe. So maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe the reality of the market is beyond 1115s grasp." The concept of "bread meat bread" is beyond the Fluffer's grasp. Autonut: "But as long as we are including Benz flagship and Bimmer flagship into luxury club, I see no reason not to include L---s, Infinity and maybe A---a (ok, I do like Honda a lot). Uh, BECAUSE THOSE ARE REBADGED COMMUTER COFFINS, maybe? junushaun: Scion was a great idea, and has been well excecuted. snork: i drive an olds, and will soon be in a Buick. I was born in 1969. a4: I agree get Real "L--s"= Toyote + "L." First, they have to ENTER the luxury market.

Tialiafan: “One cool model can change everything.” So true.

Rotman, true too, though I’d be more careful about throwing around the word “reliable.”

autonut: $70K for a toyota just show’s that P.T. Barnum was right.

tripleonefluffer:
“All three mentioned above ARE luxury brands.” Who besides you believes that?

atourya: The closest thing there’s ever been to a japanese luxury car is either the Mitsubishi Diamante or the Nissan Maxima.

MikeFX: You forgot bentley and its ilk, and included some by mistake

Fluffer: “If L—s is so boring unattractive and awful to drive why are they the # 1 luxury brand.”
Why are the Spurs Super Bowl Champions?

Injunrav: “It is possible that LLN is becoming pro-GM. But then again, GMs products have markedly improved and have lots of good stuff in the pipe. So maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe the reality of the market is beyond 1115s grasp.”

The concept of “bread meat bread” is beyond the Fluffer’s grasp.

Autonut: “But as long as we are including Benz flagship and Bimmer flagship into luxury club, I see no reason not to include L—s, Infinity and maybe A—a (ok, I do like Honda a lot).

Uh, BECAUSE THOSE ARE REBADGED COMMUTER COFFINS, maybe?

junushaun: Scion was a great idea, and has been well excecuted.

snork: i drive an olds, and will soon be in a Buick. I was born in 1969.

a4: I agree

get Real “L–s”= Toyote + “L.”

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334677 Commodore Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:15:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334677 Deanster - "fine" wont get you anywhere. The Cadillac STS is fine...and look where it is. Lexus is definately becoming this generation's Buick Deanster – “fine” wont get you anywhere. The Cadillac STS is fine…and look where it is.

Lexus is definately becoming this generation’s Buick

]]> By: 67_L-88 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334623 67_L-88 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:02:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334623 Perhaps Buick and Lincoln should have been included, but Cadallic has a wide following with the younger crowds these days. Perhaps Buick and Lincoln should have been included, but Cadallic has a wide following with the younger crowds these days.

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334616 autonut Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:36:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334616 Well, reading the collective crapping on Lexus one would think that Lexus in trouble. I actually started to believe in it and re-read the article. Lexus outsold nearest competitors by 50,000 units. If Toyota is making only 5K per unit (they are closer to 10K actually) this would be they collected quarter billion more then the nearest competitor (pessimistic view). Realistic view is closer to half a billion. I wish I had such trouble. Actually I wish such trouble on GM. Well, reading the collective crapping on Lexus one would think that Lexus in trouble. I actually started to believe in it and re-read the article. Lexus outsold nearest competitors by 50,000 units. If Toyota is making only 5K per unit (they are closer to 10K actually) this would be they collected quarter billion more then the nearest competitor (pessimistic view). Realistic view is closer to half a billion. I wish I had such trouble. Actually I wish such trouble on GM.

]]> By: atourya http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334615 atourya Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:26:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334615 scarface, you are right.. comparing the STi and the Evo to a Lexus doesn't make any sense. If I didn't care about driving dynamics, I would get an ES350. It looks good now, it is extremely reliable, fit/finish is top notch, and it keeps its resale value pretty well. The problem is that you feel like you are floating, not driving. scarface, you are right.. comparing the STi and the Evo to a Lexus doesn’t make any sense.

If I didn’t care about driving dynamics, I would get an ES350. It looks good now, it is extremely reliable, fit/finish is top notch, and it keeps its resale value pretty well.

The problem is that you feel like you are floating, not driving.

]]> By: Driven http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334611 Driven Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:23:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334611 Shouldn't this story have been Lexus, Jag, Lincoln and Caddy will fall on hard times because the average age of their customer. Seems odd this story is just about Lexus when this problem is being faced by many other brands. And the other brands are in worse shape as their average age is even higher than Lexus. Shouldn’t this story have been Lexus, Jag, Lincoln and Caddy will fall on hard times because the average age of their customer. Seems odd this story is just about Lexus when this problem is being faced by many other brands. And the other brands are in worse shape as their average age is even higher than Lexus.

]]> By: Scarface03 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334606 Scarface03 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:12:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334606 This is probably much ado about nothing. First of all, where are the IS numbers? The competition cited in the article (G34, A4, 3-series) goes up against the IS more than the ES anyway. And where does Lexus think the IS buyers will shop once *they* get older? Maybe and ES or GS, to keep it in the family. It looks from the article that total sales units are being referenced, and not just sales for the ES. That being said, if the baby boomers start walking past the ES on the Lexus lots as they get older, then won't the boomers walk past the ES competitors on the competitors' lots as well? What you would have would be a drop in sales for the ES segment across the board. As long as you have a balanced line, why couldn't Lexus handle the change... especially if you include Toyota offerings in the mix. Does anyone else think that the 1-series, Evo, and STi really not belong in this discussion? *Maybe* the 1-series will provide some competition for the IS, but I wouldn't consider the Evo and STi in the luxury ranks. This is probably much ado about nothing. First of all, where are the IS numbers? The competition cited in the article (G34, A4, 3-series) goes up against the IS more than the ES anyway. And where does Lexus think the IS buyers will shop once *they* get older? Maybe and ES or GS, to keep it in the family.

It looks from the article that total sales units are being referenced, and not just sales for the ES. That being said, if the baby boomers start walking past the ES on the Lexus lots as they get older, then won’t the boomers walk past the ES competitors on the competitors’ lots as well? What you would have would be a drop in sales for the ES segment across the board. As long as you have a balanced line, why couldn’t Lexus handle the change… especially if you include Toyota offerings in the mix.

Does anyone else think that the 1-series, Evo, and STi really not belong in this discussion? *Maybe* the 1-series will provide some competition for the IS, but I wouldn’t consider the Evo and STi in the luxury ranks.

]]> By: Get Real http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334597 Get Real Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:45:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334597 The people who wrote this article are on drugs or snorting paint. Lexus = Luxury + Reliability Mercedes = BMW = Luxury + Oops my warrant is expired time to sell The people who wrote this article are on drugs or snorting paint.

Lexus = Luxury + Reliability

Mercedes = BMW = Luxury + Oops my warrant is expired time to sell

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334596 Impulsive Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:45:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334596 'Rotman', you're an idiot. 'sunshine', BINGO! ... but you have to understand there is a market of sheep willing to buy those attributes at any cost, just like there are sheep willing to buy Chinese cars at this point in time, or knock-off Gucci watches, or equating German engineering to product quality. '1115', just a lot of sheep. Nothing more. ‘Rotman’, you’re an idiot.

’sunshine’, BINGO! … but you have to understand there is a market of sheep willing to buy those attributes at any cost, just like there are sheep willing to buy Chinese cars at this point in time, or knock-off Gucci watches, or equating German engineering to product quality.

‘1115′, just a lot of sheep. Nothing more.

]]> By: Deanster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334595 Deanster Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:45:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334595 I don't Lexus has anything to worry about. They're flush with cash, they'll figure it out soon enough. I like the IS, I think it's really well done. Agreed, it's not as interesting to look at as a nice new A4, but it's fine. I don’t Lexus has anything to worry about. They’re flush with cash, they’ll figure it out soon enough. I like the IS, I think it’s really well done. Agreed, it’s not as interesting to look at as a nice new A4, but it’s fine.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334588 A4 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:28:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334588 I will take an A8/7/S over an LS any day of the week. Particularly an A8/S8. Sorry they cost a little more, thats the only reason they arent as common as the LS piece of garbage. I will take an A8/7/S over an LS any day of the week. Particularly an A8/S8. Sorry they cost a little more, thats the only reason they arent as common as the LS piece of garbage.

]]> By: Kaizen http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334587 Kaizen Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:26:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334587 Why does LLN seem to just copy and paste AutoNews articles? Why does LLN seem to just copy and paste AutoNews articles?

]]> By: snork http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334585 snork Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:24:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334585 Forget Lexus, isn't Toyota even facing the same problem? I believe the average age of Camry buyer is also 50-51+ now too...that's not far off the 61 yr avg for the ES. I can definitely see Toyota becoming a "Buick" or "Oldsmobile" in the next 10-20 yrs. And no I'm not trying to specifically bash GM brands, it's just there's no better example of such a geriatric brand. Forget Lexus, isn’t Toyota even facing the same problem? I believe the average age of Camry buyer is also 50-51+ now too…that’s not far off the 61 yr avg for the ES. I can definitely see Toyota becoming a “Buick” or “Oldsmobile” in the next 10-20 yrs. And no I’m not trying to specifically bash GM brands, it’s just there’s no better example of such a geriatric brand.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334584 lucklaster Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:24:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334584 and I told you its- l u c k l a s t e r Spelling! Please. and I told you its-
l u c k l a s t e r
Spelling! Please.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334582 lucklaster Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:20:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334582 Guys, to you, miss. Guys,
to you, miss.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334573 tripleonefive Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:11:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334573 CTS and Lackluster talking "Lets get together and call 1115 a woman" That will do it lol. Ingenious guys CTS and Lackluster talking “Lets get together and call 1115 a woman” That will do it lol. Ingenious guys

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334572 lucklaster Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:06:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334572 sorry- then sorry-
then

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334570 lucklaster Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:02:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334570 kinda like tastes in music - if not somewhat broad than you are not paying attention. kinda like tastes in music – if not somewhat broad than you are not paying attention.

]]> By: CTS DRIVER http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334568 CTS DRIVER Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:58:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334568 probably does lucklaster, every other person who posts here likes at least 1 car from another region, she has nothing positive to say at all unless its japaneese, and unless she and gm-sales can say they like something else then they have zero credibility. probably does lucklaster, every other person who posts here likes at least 1 car from another region, she has nothing positive to say at all unless its japaneese, and unless she and gm-sales can say they like something else then they have zero credibility.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-losing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html/comment-page-1#comment-334565 lucklaster Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:49:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lexus-in-jeopardy-of-loosing-footing-in-the-luxury-market.html#comment-334565 CTS DRIVER : yeah - I'm wondering if she works in the mail room at toyota. CTS DRIVER :
yeah – I’m wondering if she works in the mail room at toyota.

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