April16
Things appear to have gotten a lot more serious on the Lexus LF-A front in the last few minutes. A new prototype was spotted and photographed on the public roads around the Nürburgring, prompting increased speculation about the status of the LF-A program.
The latest prototype shows some more extreme, track-focused details. The new fixed rear wing replaces the retractable unit on the latest LF-A prototypes, and it reaches much higher, presumably to increase downforce. Some additional aerodynamic wings have been added in front of the front wheels. Everything about this car screams of increasing control at high speeds.
There remains the possibility that this hotter LF-A is some sort of race-prepared version, perhaps to do battle with the Nissan GT-Rs that have already begun winning races. But this prototype was clearly running on public roads as a pre-test shakedown, which doesn’t seem like something you would do with a solely race-prepared vehicle.
Regardless of the true destiny of this car, it looks like Lexus may have a little more up its sleeve with the LF-A than originally thought.
April 16, 2008
April 15, 2008
April 14, 2008
June 2007
Concept version
Lexus Sucks!
It’s going to be hard to beat the performance of the GT-R. That goes for any automotive company really, not just Lexus. At any rate, where they’re really going to have to compete is price. ( which seems unlikely as the GT-R is already a “bargain” ) So, what can you say? It’ll probably be a nice car, but my feeling is it’s already been outdone.
Wow Lexus is making a V-10 in this time of rising fuel cost, Earth murderers, we all should riot, and loot.
I’m willing to bet a 14 year old Supra is still faster
Should be sweet when it finally comes out.
I would lean towards the Lexus over the GT-R for one reason only- looks. Do I really care if it turns out to be a few seconds slower around the ‘ring? No. You can get thrown in jail for topping out in a Hyundai Accent. The visual stimulus, for me, is at least as important as the visceral.
that’s right.
this car is not ugly.
Yeah, I agree, at this looks like a supercar! Sure, it’ll probably cost more than the GT-R, and I wouldn’t expect it to cost any less. Nissan has outdone itself on the GT-R’s dynamic systems, and I’d love to have one, but it just isn’t visually appealing.
I still think toyota should name the car the new supra and it would do good on the market
“I’m willing to bet a 14 year old Supra is still faster”
Not stock of course with only 320hp and 315 torque. I doubt a future-model V10 will have any problem beating those numbers, although I’d love to hear how much this thing weighs. This definitely has a much more distinct look to it, I’ll give it that.
The fact that they’re even bothering testing this thing on the ring over such a long span of time speaks volumes about their intent with this car. I expect it will be a very well performing overpriced luxury car. Just like all the other overpriced performance luxury cars. I’ll take performance and leave the heated seats for people with fat butts and wallets.
The only visually appealing part of this car is the middle … the front end is retarded and the back end is laughable … Godzilla’s design works better than this wannabe supercar look.
a dedicate model? I don’t believe it!
Johnny: “Do I really care if it turns out to be a few seconds slower around the ‘ring?”
You would interrupt folks’ fantasies with the real world
THE ZR-1 WILL RAPE THIS AND THE GT-R, JUST LIKE I RAPED ALL OF YOUR MOMS!
who exactly is going to buy this thing?? lexus does not equate to sporty, not in anyone’s book
Maybe the IS buyers, but I doubt they could foot the bill. But their are lots of rich folks out there who will try anything once? Besides I’m sure this is a large part of TOYOTA’s bid to return to GT racing.
I see it as a return to push-starting, not GT racing. Just look at the pictures.
johnny, you in Canadia you got to go jail for topping Hyundai, in LA you get clubbed, made into a movie and cause a riot.
I don’t think it is a stunning car, but better looking then GT-R. And considering the black market price GT-R commands I would splurge for Maseratti even if starts only on a sunny day.
JUST BUILD THE DAMNED THING ALREADY
Actually yes, I wouldn’t care too much about this car topping the performance of the GT-R as this is about a balanced combination of sport and luxury. Actually if it’s true to the Lexus philosophy it would make a cheaper alternative to the Maserati Grandturismo. Personally I’d get the GT-R for all out track use and one of these for daily use.
Actually autonut, in Canada it’s tough to get thrown in jail even if you kill somebody. I’ve often speculated there would be less wasted years and money involved in killing my spouse than getting a divorce. Not that I’ve ever really thought that, but **** goes through your mind on a slow day.
This should be good competition
… to win ugliest fast car.
“THE ZR-1 WILL RAPE THIS AND THE GT-R, JUST LIKE I RAPED ALL OF YOUR MOMS!”
Actually, the ZR-1 barely beat the standard GT-R on the ring. So it would seem unlikely that it could beat the V-SPEC.
Funny when ricers^^^ get beat on the dragstrip their last resort is the circle track, when they get beat by that, they trade there cars in for real American muscle! A GMC Syclone would own a V-spec or a GT-R on the track and strip, with 17 year old technology!!!
Syclones own Supras!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlegvttYGXw
And Actually I was talking about dragracing, nobody gives a **** about the circle track. People care more about a straightline stoplight to stoplight performance than circletrackin it. ZR1 owns on the dragstrip and cricle track! NUFF SAID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlegvttYGXw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5UIaFZxIhg
Murderedout, there is an entire world out there beyond your redneck neighborhood. There are probably more people in the world that care about circuits than straight lines. What a car can do in a straight line is no test to anything other than raw engine power, and we have dynos for that nowadays. However, a car performing in a circuit is only as good as the driver. The dragstrip does require skill, don’t get me wrong, but there is a lot more driver activity in a circuit.
Also, World Cup Soccer is the world’s most watched sport.
As far as the Typhoon, well, GM chose to keep the styling of the vehicle for 20 years, and they should have stayed with the engine technology instead.
Redneck neighboorhood? LMAO ,I live in Oakland County the Richest county in America. Beatus, You probally live in the ghetto projects, with 10 illegal beaners. Soccer is for fairy faggots like you. As for your import loving gayness, go get cornholed by some small japanese dick. Faggot!
Learn how to read, SYCLONE, not TYPHOON I said! I guess mexicans aren’t that well educated. Yo can mow my lawn now.
“Wow Lexus is making a V-10 in this time of rising fuel cost, Earth murderers, we all should riot, and loot.”
Good point 400horseSS.
I actually really like the general shape of this thing. I hope it doesn’t look like it’s wearing plate armor on it when the camo comes off, as it does now.
I read someone’s comment on another site stating that this thing has pulled 7:20s on the Nurburgring … but since it’s from a comment I question reliability. If that’s true, however, it’s running neck and neck with the V-Spec, which, btw, has broken the track record on the Nurburgring for a stock production vehicle.
who the fook designed the taillights
“Funny when ricers^^^ get beat on the dragstrip their last resort is the circle track, when they get beat by that, they trade there cars in for real American muscle!”
Funny how no one actually gives a **** who is quicker on straight line.
G (#31)
This listing gets updated periodically. It hasn’t been updated to show the VSpec or ZR-1yet.
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073
The LF-A posted and unofficial time of 7min24sec. It was obviously a prototype so it can’t really count. But I would expect that the production unit will do at least as well. The car is much like the MERCEDES-BENZ SLR; basically a street legal front-engine formula car with a detuned Formula engine. The time posted was for a Company tester, not a time attacker.
Anyway, The LF-A looks to be going in that direction as well. As an all around racer and a car working for points, it should be overall superior to the GT-R and the VSpec. This considering the Prototype aced the Vspec time long before the Vspec rolled out.
“Actually, the ZR-1 barely beat the standard GT-R on the ring. So it would seem unlikely that it could beat the V-SPEC.
Comment by WEKS, posted on April15 ”
WEKS - there are no official times of a ZR-1 ever running the Nurburgring. What you mistakingly think are real ‘ring times were a rough estimate from a spy photographer using his stop watch while the ZR-1 was testing on a WET track. You try driving a 620hp beast on a wet Nurburgring track, and get 7:40’s.
Bottom line is once the ZR-1 is officially tested and unleashed on a dry Nurburgring track with Ron Fellows or Magnussen behind the wheel, it will rape a GT-R. Guaranteed. Do the math - it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure it out.
” The car is much like the MERCEDES-BENZ SLR; basically a street legal front-engine formula car with a detuned Formula engine.
Comment by Blakkarr, posted on April15 ”
Man, the idiots are out in droves today. The SLR is a far cry from a Formula 1 car, and its engine isn’t anything even remotely close to a Formula 1 engine. You obviously have no idea what a Formula 1 engine is, Blakkarr.
The SLR is a nice car, but it is not a street legal Formula 1 car. It’s way too large and heavy to ever be considered that. It’s more of an amped up SL than a F1 car.
The only car produced that closely resembles a street legal F1 car, was of course the McLaren F1. A McLaren F1 will kick the piss out of an SLR. Case closed. And with the Lexus packing only 500hp, I predict the McLaren F1 will kick the crap out of that too.
According to my sources the track was damp / moist, but not enough to be called wet, so taking that in to account I doubt it will improve by much. Can it beat the GT-R, I think it will. Can it beat the V-SPEC, hell no.
Z06ified (#36),
I said basically. If you knew as much about the SLR’s mechanicals and dynamics as you claim to about the CORVETTE, you would come to the same conclusion. So just chill. It isn’t the end of the world. I was told that GM is aggravatingly honest about their testers. They “lot stock” run with the stock street rubbers not racing meats.
Anyway, you might want to stop and consider the substance of a statement before responding only to the words. No one is comparing the McLaren F1 to anything. I only compare the LF-A to the SLR because they appear to be conceptually the same. That is they seem to be “Front engine formula cars with detuned Formula engines”. That is the idea… not the outright reality.
Yes, I know want a Formula engine is, I don’t think you understand what the concept of one is, or else you might have understood. The LF-A has a roughly 5L V10 making over 550hp ( the LFA tester tacks at 552bhp), a Redline in excess of 10,00 RPM (just a stupidly fast engine - faster than HONDA’s S2000). Yes, it was designed for the daily drive, but no it is a formula derived engine (or have you forgotten that TOYOTA has a very strong F1 program?).
Don’t be so stupid as to think that any auto maker would put a straight Formula engine into a street car meant for daily driving. Damned fool is what you are for calling me an idiot and you have no idea of what is being discussed.
Try not to to misunderstand (which may take a great deal of effort for you), The McLaren F1 was a superlative car, with a weird seating arrangement, but it really wasn’t all that much different from most supercars of the day or the majority of them today. Don’t let the name fool you, the McLaren F1 was actually farther from an F1-race car than the Ferrari F50 or the Enzo. The Saleen S7 is closer to a GTP. The SLR is as I said. It was built on MERCEDES-BENZ formula experience, with help from McLaren (not by as you would want to say) and reflects that brilliantly without the gaff of being like every other super car out there.
As much as we both love the CORVETTE, I think you need to take a step back and think a moment about the subject of this thread, jackass. We are discussing, or trying to discuss, the LF-A and the GT-R. Because we have no relevant data on the ZR-1 or a time attack Z06, just company testers, and they are NOT the subject of this thread, they are generally left out.
Besides, I would look forward to the C7, myself. That should kick them all to the curb in short order.
“Don’t let the name fool you, the McLaren F1 was actually farther from an F1-race car than the Ferrari F50 or the Enzo.”
Blakkarr, you just confirmed your ignorance with the statement above. You’re so wrong you should quit now while you’re behind.
I agree with you Z06ified, I also know the SSC ULTIMATE AERO TT would own anything on the strip and track for a production car. It already holds the record for the fastest production car, beating the Bugatti Veyron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSC_Aero
Uses a CHEVY V-8 twin turbo too!^^^
I’m glad they are taking so much time with R&D for this supercar. It’ll be an absolute screamer when it finally it released. Too bad I likely can’t afford one when it comes out.
Z06ified (#39),
Don’t start that ****. You know you screwed up when you didn’t really read the comment and started up an argument no one cares about.
Besides How am I wrong? Say something useful or just shut up.
BTW the Nurburgring time for the Z06 was set after multiple laps with Jan Magnussen behind the wheel, not a company tester.
The 7:42 isn’t going to be improved on, I would think, b/c I doubt many can beat Magnussen.
The ZR-1 hasn’t posted a real time yet, but you won’t see nearly as much improvement over the Z06 time as you will from the V-Spec over the standard GTR. The ZR-1 has more power (slightly over 100hp more) and slightly improved aero over the Z06, BUT it has softer suspension and (the major factor) an extra 200-300 lbs!!!
The V-Spec supposedly gains 70hp but I highly doubt that number, with improved aero, improved overall mechanics, and sheds about 300 pounds. So there’s no way you’ll see the same level of improvement.
The power output of GTRs seems to be tremendously underexaggerated as Motortrend’s recent dyno test of a stock NA-spec GTR produced an estimated 510-550 hp, depending on losses. (510 for 15% losses, 550 for 25% losses) Not the 480 Nissan has claimed. So that makes it highly doubtful the V-Spec actually has 550hp. This goes a long way in explaining its lap times.
I expect to see the ZR-1 lapping in the 7:30s but 7:20s is doubtful.
(Do keep in mind I’m a giant fan of both the GTR and the Vette … was actually looking into getting a Vette but it’s ummm … too expensive for me)
What is suprising is if the LF-A actually pulls out a low 7:20s. Toyota making an actual performance car?!? Couldn’t be …
tell us what the LF-A sounded like at the ‘Ring!!
G (#44),
I thought the ZR-1 had variable modes to it’s magnetically damping system. If GM tested using a “Cruise” setting, something the average person would use just driving around town, like their assumed tendency to use street tires instead of racing tires, then likely the ZR-1 simply was not allowed to really show off what it can do.
GM has for a while now, made a big deal about tuning their cars at Nurburgring, but has made no claims to even trying to post a hot lap. A bit of solace that GM is hanging on “truth in advertising”. No special tires the car does not come with or may not openly be available. No special modifications that aren’t going to be added to the car. Just how good what you are going to buy really is. I’m sure the GT-R and Vspec would add 10sec on their times with normal street tires.
But it would be nice if GM did take the CORVETTE out for a real shot at a hot lap. I’m sure the Z06, itself could ace 7min38sec easily and the ZR-1 could at least shave about 10sec off that.
Astonman12,
Try this one. Sounds pretty sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSRbpNdCTUg
^ I’ve heard that even on the hardest setting the suspension is still not as racy as the Z06’s … Oo hmmm that would be dumb …
The GT-R laps were done with stock tires.
It wasn’t using racing slicks. The confusion came about because the Japanese engineers refer to the GT-R’s stock tires as “grooved slicks” or such - the Japanese language often produces miscommunications b/c of use of what is called “katakana English.” - if you do a search you can confirm this. If you take a look at the full-size (not YouTube) video of the GT-R’s hot laps you can also see the tires are stock.
The ZR-1 definitely hasn’t posted any real hot laps, but Magnussen was definited trying to post the best possible laps in the Z06. I saw the vid and he was not going softly … and GM wouldn’t bring Magnussen out to drive the Z06 if it weren’t for hot laps.
It’s probably possible to get the Z06 into the 7:30s … if you get Michael Schumacher out for it! …
hmmm I saw the GT-R in a showroom a few months ago …
I have pictures of the tires (lol yes I went a little nuts but there was a crew in from Norway who were taking way more pics) so I know they’re the same ones … can’t post it here though I think … ?
Here you go! Read this article you’ll see Jan Magnussen (who btw is a former F1 driver and an ALMS driver for the Corvette team!) was going all-out in the Z06 when he posted his 7:42.9.
The “racer” he’s talking about in the article is not a Z06 with a wing; it’s obviously the ALMS Corvette. The C5R and (not sure if he was still driving?…) C6R.
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/939436-post1.html
If they are having this much trouble maybe Gm should consider a mid-life cycle suspension update away from Leaf springs. That should be good for a few second off the time.
The only people who care about the ring are Europeans. Here in America, people care more about the straight line stoplight to stoplight street racing. Watching a car go into circles is boring, and dizzy.
Oh and NASCAR sucks, it’s the same thing.
Beatusfagus, I’m not a ****ing hic, I DON’T WEAR COWBOY BOOTS, I HATE THE ****ING RODEO, HORSES SMELL LIKE **** TO ME, AND I DON’T **** ANYONE IN MY OWN BLOODLINE, so by definition I’m not a REDNECK, and by Damn I ain’t a ****ing hic.
“Here in America, people care more about the straight line stoplight to stoplight street racing.”
Well that and racing on the freeway.
“BTW the Nurburgring time for the Z06 was set after multiple laps with Jan Magnussen behind the wheel, not a company tester. The 7:42 isn’t going to be improved on, I would think, b/c I doubt many can beat Magnussen.”
While this is true on the stock tires, which the 7:42 was run on, I know the Z06 could turn better times with even just Michelin PS2’s, and significantly better times with Pilot Sport Cups (R-compound tires that Porsche uses on the ‘ring). The bottom line is, the stock Goodyear run flat tires on the Z06 suck compared to PS2’s or any R-compound tire. Ask any Z06 owner how bad the stock run flats are on the track.
Even if the GT-R’s ‘ring time was run on stock tires (which is debatable), the GT-R’s stock tires are far stickier than the stock Z06 tire.
Fortunately, the ZR-1 is running PS2s. If GM were smart, they would swap on a set of Pilot Sport Cups like Porsche does, and give Porsche a taste of their own medicine on the ‘ring.
I’m not digging the front or back of this LF-A. I know its not done yet (like those brake lights are temporary), but the overall shape of the nose doesn’t look too good. Side profile and wheels look nice though.
Even with the Camo, the LF-A looks better to me then a GT-R. But yeah this car will easily have a $100k + price tag to go along with it. Also what kind of hp #’s is this V10 supposed to put out? 500? 550?
Oh who said this was posting 7min 20’s on the gring?
YAY! ANOTHER PICTURE UPDATE THANK GOD!
clear for take off!
ROGER!
The car that looks like a jet fighter… now with wings and connards. Liking the the taillight covers, and the whole package in general.
Need4SSpeed,
That was me. I found several listings but I link this one:
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073
I also think I goofed, but am looking into it. I think the engine “only” makes 500hp but is a very fast engine, with a very well developed frame and suspension, so the loss really isn’t much of one.
I’m hoping GM (and FORD and CHRYSLER) takes notes on this. Raw power is fine but how about some technological loadout as well.
“Bottom line is once the ZR-1 is officially tested and unleashed on a dry Nurburgring track with Ron Fellows or Magnussen behind the wheel, it will rape a GT-R. Guaranteed. Do the math - it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure it out.”
With a skilled driver the ZR1 will have no problem with the GT-R, but you don’t really understand the GT-R’s uniqueness. Any idiot can post a decent time with a GT-R, can’t say the same for a ZR1
But it will have a problem with the V-SPEC
Oh ok Blakkarr, yeah I saw the 7.24 unofficial time on that link you provided. Pretty quick. Well this one looks like maybe a racing version or performance version of the LF-A maybe? it looks a little more aggressive with the front canards, I see some carbon fiber, tail light covers and lastly that huge fixed wing.
I liked the retractable wing that the standard LF-A is going to have, but this fixed wing set up indicates maybe the possibility of a race version or possibly maybe a LMS entry factory car.
when I meant race version I also meant a competitor to the GT-R Spec V.
V-Spec*
hate the triple tailpipe layout…
in fact i hate the tailpipes on the IS-F…yuck!
NOOO, remove the wing and bring back the retractable version. the more and more they changing it,the more it’s becomeing to look like a tuner car and losing that exotic feel.
“With a skilled driver the ZR1 will have no problem with the GT-R, but you don’t really understand the GT-R’s uniqueness. Any idiot can post a decent time with a GT-R, can’t say the same for a ZR1
Comment by frylock350, posted on April16 at 2:03 pm”
You’re barking up the wrong tree. I love the GT-R, and the ZR-1. They’re different animals, primarily for the reason you described. The GT-R, thanks to its AWD, is relatively easy to drive fast, while the ZR-1 with its RWD and better power-to-weight ratio will require much more skill to drive fast without killing yourself. Sometimes you don’t want to be associated with “any idiot.”
(sorry, couldn’t resist):P
What I like is both cars make a 911 Turbo look slow by comparison, while costing less. Any car that does that, I have total respect for.
Assuming that 7:24 ring time was on the mark before the new modifications, (which as an official time would make it the fastest stock production car around the ring ever…)
What the hell are they doing with the new mods? Don’t tell me this is some Japanese rivalry thing where they’re going to make sure the take the record over the V-Spec … ?
And … more importantly, don’t tell me TOYOTA cares enough about performance and track times and has enough car passion to actually try something like that?!? Couldn’t be!!!
(I’m actually quite serious … how could Toyota actually care…?)
lol that’s because the 7.24 was unofficial.
WEKS the V-SPEC 4 cylinder is no Match for a Supercharged V-8 ZR-1, GO BACK TO KINTERGARDEN CLASS, FOOL!
The supercar/sportscar class is ultra competitive. I really don’t see the benefit in creating such a car. Seems like they’re making more money than they know what to do with. Toyota would, in my opinion, benefit from an affordable sports compact, such as the Celica or MR2. I’d venture to say the Supra was even affordable when compared to what this’ll cost. They could also throw a little more cash into the design of their cars. They’ve gone down a path of bland that GM has recently decided to leave. You think they’d learn from others mistakes.
murderedout, you ignorant ****, the V-SPEC, and the standard GT-R for that matter, have twin turbo V6.
hateful83, very good point. Toyota would benefit if they focused more on an affordable sports car or sports compact and sold those by the hundreds of thousands compared to making only probably a handful of copies of these and selling them for quadruple the price, I still think the LF-A is a cool car. The only gripe I have against it were the little extensions of the front headlamps on the latest LF-A roadster concept. But Lexus will indeed have very stiff competition. Thank God Toyota actually is working on bringing back a RWD/AWD Sports compact car with Subaru. I’m anxiously awaiting the arrival with that.
On one more note, I think Toyota should do what Nissan did with the GT-R and used the 911 as a benchmark. I think if Toyota brought back the Supra name, or came out with something similar to the HT-S concept (but just not as ugly looking) and competed with the GT-R, Corvette and 911 they’d have another potential sports car to benefit in that niche.
7:24 is B.S. There’s no f’in way that car could pull a 7:24 with RWD and 500-550hp. The car would have to weigh less than 2,300 lbs., and looking at the size of it, and lack of 100% carbon fiber, there’s no way that car is that light.
The Japanese magazine that speculated the 7:24, which is all it is, mere speculation, is full of crap. Case closed. Look at the cars that have performed anywhere near a 7:24 on the ‘ring. They all had either 1) much more horsepower, 2) much lighter weight with a better power-to-weight ratio, or 3) AWD (or a combination of all of the above).
High 7:30’s is what I predict this car can achieve on the ‘ring, and that’s giving it the benefit of the doubt that it’ll be around 3,000 lbs with 550hp.
Murderedout…
Mexican? Because I said soccer? That proves that you are a total idiot, because all of Europe, Asia, Australia, South America and Africa play soccer. That was so broad a statement, and you narrowed it to a Mexican thing. Wow. What an idiot.
Of course, you don’t know my real name, so you wouldn’t know that I am of British and German descent. I have absolutely no Latin blood in me. However, I do speak English and Spanish very fluently. I do that by choice, because I educated myself to do so. I’m also teaching my kids both languages, so that they can talk to people all over the world. Basically, what I’m trying to tell you to do is get out and explore, because there is so much out there, and you are so narrow minded that you don’t even realize your own shortcomings.
As far as the Typhoon / Syclone thing: I’m sorry. I watched the videos, and the Typhoon was in the “related videos” section, and it stuck in my head. That was my mistake, and I apologize for that. However, I never said anything about loving Japanese cars… And I’M the one that needs to learn to read? Just because I posted in this thread doesn’t mean I love Japanese cars. You posted in this thread, and obviously don’t like anything but American cars.
I respect anything that’s fast, no matter where it comes from. And I don’t care how it’s fast, whether it has an LT-1 or a rotary engine, as long as it’s fast. However, my opinion on GM vehicles stays the same. They have a few nice cars (I love the Vette along with a few others), but most of their cars are just plain and boring. It’s like the designers have their version of writer’s block. Not much has changed in 20 years. That is my opinion, though, so I’m not stating fact. If your opinion differs, that’s okay. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong, just different.
You ARE wrong, however, by stating that no one cares about anything but a straight line. That’s not an opinion, that’s a false statement. And my rebuttal to that false statement was that you need to get out of your house and actually see the world. There are a billions of people in the world, and I’m willing to bet that more people care about circuits (circuits are not circles) than straight lines. The only reason people race in a straight line on the street is because what else are you going to do? Street racing is illegal and can be dangerous. If you start throwing turns into the mix, you’re asking for a lot of trouble. I’m sure you know that some of these street racers can’t even keep their car going in a straight line. Imagine what would happen around a corner with some of these guys. Anyway, you get my drift (pun intended). By the way, I think drifting is silly, so don’t go off about Japanese stuff again.
As far as your “redneck neighborhood,” well, tell your neighbors that I apologize for calling them rednecks. The obviously are not rednecks. However, just because you live in Oakland county does not mean you are not a redneck. It’s not where you live but how you write that says all. Plus, the fact that you don’t do anything besides watch YouTube and post here says quite a bit more. At least learn to spell the following words before you go spouting off about the lack of education others have: probably, hick, circle, straight line, ferry, you and kindergarten.
lol yeah, “Rednecks” are the furthest thing from living in Oakland County, Mi.
Real sports car enthusiats are going to stick with Porsches, Lambos and Ferraris…maybe even Vettes. Sorry Lexus, but don’t expect to upset the heavy waits with one car and one year of production unless you can buy this thing for under $100K.