Looks kinda like a Supra, with maybe a little Celica in the front end?

Still, more money than I’d pay for any Toyota.

>$.5M for a modern Supra?

These guys at Toyota are smoking crack. They had the opportunity to kick the GT-R in the arse, but not at this price.

I can get a F430 Scuderia AND a LP560 Gallardo for this price!

sorry i thought carscoop said it would be priced from $375K ?? like i said i can buy 3 GT-Rs and still not come close to the price of this car!

supra written all over this

Hopefully the floor mats are fully ziptied down…

yeah you need to be a hardcore supra enthusiast to want to pay 557K for a lexus… i would rather go with ferrari, lambo, pretty much almost any supercar out there…

Can you say Move over Nissan GT-R , see ya later Dodge Viper ACR, and of Yeah Corvette ZR1 you’ve been “OWNED” forgetaboutit!

Show me how this low-torque Supra can beat a ZR-1?

Damnnnnnnn!!!

BK2009….I think you’ve been smoking the same crack as the yota

The craftsmanship of this car is SUPERB, but does it merit this high of a price tag? Only a driver could tell…

A half million dollar Toyota? Fail. What a waste. Where’s the 370Z competitor?

Like I said in another thread, give me an R8 5.2 V10 and a house. This is so far beyond overpriced I can’t imagine who would buy it, besides those people out there who will only buy a half-million dollar supercar from a large Japanese automaker. I don’t think those people exist. Hell take out a second mortgage and buy a Bugatti Veyron once you’re almost at this price. I’m sure the 500 of them will sell eventually but nobody will care.

P.S. once again Bankruptcy proves that he’s a moron. IF Lexus really does beat the Viper ACR around a track, it costs them almost $600,000 to knock only a second or two off of the time of a car 1/6th its price.

This car looks cool and all but the car does not have supercar credentials and is not anywhere close to being worth that much. maybe 200k but not 500k

Ok, first of all, the price listed is how much it will be will be in Europe, specifically UK. LLN converted pounds to dollars. Here, according to R&T: “There will only be 500 LFAs produced. Twenty per month will be made at the Motomachi plant in Toyota City in Japan. Price has not been confirmed, but it’s estimated to be in the high $300,000s. First delivery is expected in January 2011″

Second, this is supposed to compete with the 599 and for the most part, it does. Nearly 560 HP from 4.8L of displacement (regardless if it’s a V6, V8, V10, or V12) is amazing. This is NOT a modern Supra. If I’m not mistaken, the last Supra didn’t do 0-60 in 3.7s stock…and it was powered by a naturally-aspirated/turbo straight-6, NOT a V10.

Everyone just wants to bash the car because it’s made by Toyota. The styling is a little weird from the front, but no one will notice how the front looks when you’re going 200 mph.

@Blaze. No it’s not a Supra. It’s what the Supra would be if you wanted to compete with lets say a Lamborghini Gallardo…

Too overpriced, with too little performance for today’s supercars. Not sure about the interior but it has a lot to beat when going against Italian cars.
Even with lighter weight, the GT-R will still eat this car alive.

I’m sorry….. My hearing aid pops my ears and my bifocals make me cry… What did you say/wrote? $600K for a Lexus??? What’s next? A $200K Prius? Puh-leez!

BMW M6 has a 4.999-liter V10 with 507 “horses” for less than a $100K! Should I say more???

Oh yeah – can anyone imagine a person shopping Ferraris or Lambos to cross-shop Lexus??

’nuff said!

I think its a great car and will do well against its competitor the only problem way overpriced.

Blaze… the whole point of cars like this is to be cheaper than the competition with the same performance, because frankly, they aren’t Italian Ferrari’s. The ZR1 also comes with over 600hp from 6.0l of displacement – closer to the 599 – and runs just as fast as this car. The ZR1 may look like a Corvette but it has 90% of the carbon fiber technology that this car has, and weighs about the same. Even $350,000 is too much for this car. This should have been a $150,000 car. Lord knows very few people would pay even $200,000 for a ZR1 nevermind $350-$550k for a Toyota.

Sorry, I meant 6.2L on the ZR1.

To BlazeAbraham09: The only place you would be able to go 200 MPH is on certain Autobahn portions in Germany…. And Germans LOVE their German cars! Of course you can do 200MPH on public roads, but then the last thing you’ll be driving is the sh!tter in a “can”.

Listen to what Blaze said you ignorant people.

$500k for a Toyota??? Get serious! Good thing they are only making a few ‘examples’ of this quite plain car. At least when Ford built the GT in 2005/2006 they had a sticker of 150k and most people who bought one were not seen as total losers. $500k is ridiculious even for Lexus buyers.

@ BlazeAbraham09, the 560hp from a 4.8l engine isn’t a big deal anymore , the cars in F1 have around 1000hp from 2.4l and Toyota is in F1 so they have the expertise to build such high revving engines. compared the F458 engine with 570hp and more torque from 4.7l , the LF-A engine is weaker and more expensive.

High $300s is still too much for a goofy looking car.

Track time numbers please….

@scratchy those engines are only built to last two races….

If I may I’d like to go against the grain here and at least congratulate Mr. Toyoda for undoubtedly lighting the fire to get this thing into production. Whatever you want to debate about its price or performance at least it’s out there now… and while most of us will probably never get a chance to drive let alone own one you have to admit it certainly breaks Lexus out of its staid little pristine corner of all things automotive big time. And as for things most of us can afford don’t forget that the FT-86 isn’t that far away either.

I don’t want to sound like I’m blowing smoke up Toyota’s ass but Mr. Toyoda said he was going to fix their image and it certainly appears as if he’s out to do that. Are they going to stop making boring appliances altogether? I doubt it… and really why would they ’cause they sell millions of them… but at least now there’s something for those of us with a pulse to get excited about when we think Toyota.

This car is relevant if priced at $150-$200k. Other than that, it brings absolutely nothing new to the table: no innovative features, no stunning design, no racing pedigree, no earth shattering performance figures, no revolutionary use of materials and weight savings. Who, save the Japanese market, would buy one of these over anything else? A 458, a 599, a Gallardo, a Murci, a ZR1? I’ve NEVER been one to advocate the corvette, but let’s face it, next to the LFA, GM look like penny-pinching geniuses (especially if factoring in the weak price of the dollar). I’ll give this round to NMOFGM…where is he anyway?

I agree: Toyota would’ve had something if they priced it realistically. They’ll probably still sell them since it’s a pretty exotic engine putting out pretty stupid HP levels. But the car’s overall design is overwrought and pretty senseless. First it was rumored to be mid-engined, and now it’s FE, which is fine, but they have this contrived air system that appears to do nothing for the car other than help the styling somewhat. To make matters worse only the back half looks good enough to compete in that price category, and about the worst move they could’ve made was to put a slightly more agressive version of the Prius’s face on the thing. This car offers nothing over anything else other than being a Toyota, and barely meets the GT-R’s technological prowess, let alone its performance, having 4 more cylinders and another liter of displacement. And if that weren’t enough, these cars were found to be a bit slow compared to Porsches and other cars at the events the LFA raced in.

A Porsche 911 TT can match and/or beat this thing at 1/4 the price, and arguably looks better. As far as I see it the only thing good about this car is that Toyota has at least built a world-class performance car to appear like it wants to compete. Maybe the absurd pricing means they don’t intend to do this often, but the car is just flat out nonsensical IMO. Could’ve had something if they stayed around $150k.

A4: while i beleive the ZR1 is quite an achievement for GM, they reached these performance levels with a SUPERCHARGED OHV V8, although somewhat impressive that it is being produced, and for $100k, the ZR1 is hardly any match for Ferrari, Lambo, or even LEXUS in this case, the LF.A has a V10, of only 4.8 liters, with Dual Overhead Camshafts, (maybe Single, they never specified, but that is doubtful), and a redline of 9000 RPM ! – Producing 552 hp

Again, ZR1= SUPERCHARGED 6.2 V8 OHV 640hp redline only 7000rpm (not high enough for a ’supercar’)
100 hp per liter WITH a supercharger :O

LFA = Normally aspirated 4.8 V10 OHC 552hp redline of 9000rpm!

It would have been a great Supra but not at anywhere near this price.

The nose needs work as well. Those weird, jowls over the front that kind of merge/hang over the headlamps are just gross.

I could buy several ZR-1s in different colours to suit my mood for the price of this thing. Hell, I could buy one of each Corvette model and still come out ahead.

Good luck in selling these. Even Ferrari would have a tough time selling a car at this price. A Toyota even if it is a Lexus for this much is insane. Someone should have killed this project.

LFA = 115 hp per liter with NORMAL Aspiration

what if LF-A were turbo charged or supercharged??
–which it surely could withstand @ reasonable boost levels

This car is really great in term of both performance and look, but too less torque. I would get this car over 458 Italian( the wounded eyes).

This car is as interesting as the launch of the original IS300. It changed the game, broke all the rules and was a rebel on the Lexus line in terms of luxury. This car kinda does the same, but on a different spectrum. Though one does argue that it blends the bland uninteresting lines that Toyota incorporates on their cars but it is a step towards greatness. The price is ridiculously set high but look at the trends of the market. First Acura introduces a $90K NSX that forced Ferrari and other suercars to wake up and smell the fuel, Hyundai introduces a car that we all will remember longer than two years, the Genesis for $40K, the Equus for north of $65K, and now Toyota thinks it can do the same. Though they went a little extreme on the price and not enough on the body, they have a vision that this will make them profitable. And in this business, its about how well you can pocket a decent sale. I could imagine that the maintenance on this will be close to none, and with a redline at 9,000 like the S2000, its gonna create lots pf smile and garnish lots of happiness from its driver.

This car is gorgeous. I can’t name a car in today that compares to the beauty of this one. But in the 500-600k range this car would get stomped on performance. A similar design with an I6TT or a V6TT with a Supra badge would sell much better.

This car has only slightly better numbers than a C6 ZO6. I don’t see how anyone could justify spending that much on a Toyota.

Err. This car need no badge delete option. there will be a stereotype about LFA owner, This guy is f*****g rich. and This car will be the queen in the garage. This car may be priced too much, but this is the first time on producing supercars for Lexus. I hope the next generation will be priced lower or have higher performance. I also believe that Roadster is on the way. It may come will more power, and torque.

come with more power and torque* typing mistake

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Toyota is falling of a cliff. The 350z competitor is being sourced from Subaru. JeeeZZ subaru and now this so called super car. This is what happens when you take the number one spot. You start producing dumb sht. Its a curse. Just ask GM

The fact that there is so much interest in this car confirms that Toyota has been 100% successful already with the project even if no cars were to be sold – but I predict they will sell out. Imagine, a 20 year old brand already challenging the world’s best in the super car category. Those who talk about the high price simply don’t understand that market at all and will never be involved in it – those who are involved know that the price is less than half of some supercarsand worth it for this product as it will actually work.

Nickkop, I don’t think redline affects supercar status. The ACR is considered a supercar, and it has a redline of just over 6,000 rpm I believe. The ZR1 is definitely considered a supercar. although it is much more common in the US than most of what we consider “exotics”, like Ferrari and Lamborghini.

As for me, I do like the looks of this car, and like Johnny said, this will really make a sparkle on the current image of Toyota. They seem to be bringing the fun back, and that’s good for them. I do feel the car is a bit overpriced, but I believe Toyota is going for exclusivity and “exotic” status with this car, rather than a “performance bargain” like the GT-R, or our own ZR1 or ACR. That’s another reason there will only be 500 of them.

cheers, johnny, i’m on board with you on this…all the “omg too much for a toyota” comments are missing the point…boring toyota built this…think about it…i don’t care if you would buy it for that price, that is pretty much irrelevant…point is, they made it…i’ve heard some audio of this thing running on a track and it sounds pretty fierce…i don’t like the look so much, but as i’ve said many times before, dismissing a car’s performance based solely on looks isn’t being a true auto enthusiast (that’s more along the lines of being an image-conscious metro)…

lets just hope a little bit of the performance and tech of this thing trickles down into toyota’s next sporty offerings…a v10 at 9k rpm, though, sounds like music to the ears…

ZR1, CTS-V, GT-R, Caddy EXT and a nice boat instead… thanks

Well well – it’s finally here ……..i think it looks great, i actually saw a concept convertible version
of this car at last years US OPEN tennis championships in NYC …..thought it might actually turn
into this car.

It is VERY close. If they build a convertible like the one i saw – it should look great.
BUT NOT AT THIS INSANE PRICE ! Holy D-Cup Batman !

Honda – remember when you were building that new, reworked
thing called – oh yeah – THE NSX last year and KILLED IT ????
And the price was going to be in the “reasonable” 150k range ??

Oh the shame …….;-(

A4,

I agree with it being a bit expensive…but keep in mind they’re only building 500 of these…FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD. They’ll sell every single one of them.

DIESEL,

I go 200 mph…in school zones. That’s how legit I am.

I would sooner buy a Corvette ZR1 with 638hp 6.2L Supercharged OHV engine 0-60 if memory serves me properly is 3.2 seconds. I could be wrong but that seems faster than the Lexus, plus it is a lot cheaper. Anyone who pays half a million dollars for this Lexus has way more money brains. At that price, you should be looking at a Ferrari or Lamborgini not a Lexus.

I have nothing against this car for being a good performance car. It just should have been a good performance car at the around the price of the GT-R and the Corvette ZR1.

@ blaze…. being a bit expensive? lol… understatement of the year… this is just a good engineering exercise i think, it won’t create a revolution in motoring or anything, and as other people said, it would be relevant if it actually competed against the GT-R or the ZR1, you know priced realisticly… and you know what… even if i had $.5M i would still take a lambo, a ferrari or even a Lotus Exige(65K)…

@ scratchy… those 2.4L – 1000 bhp are bulit to last 1 or 2 races

Blaze: care for a carpool? LOL

Nickkop I totally agree with beatus, since when is supercar status judged by how high your engine revs? The ZR1 has a bunch more torque than the LFA does, and along with the equally low revving ACR it’s one of the fastest cars in the world around the ‘Ring. And who the heck cares about power per liter? The only number that matters is power to weight ratio. You may be totally impressed by engine technology in the LFA, but it still loses to a much much cheaper GM car.

“Anyone who pays half a million dollars for this Lexus has way more money brains.”

I’m sure there are at least 500 of those people in the world. That’s all Toyota wants this time.

Simply incredible car, welcome to the Supercar ring! I have no doubt this thing is going to tear up a race track, sound incredible, look stunning, and be the new exotic of the world but why on earth does it cost that much?!?!

You could buy any new Lambo, super AMG, Ferrari, Spyker, or anything else and still have money to spend. I’d personally still rather buy a used Carrera GT then send it to a tuner and see the Lexus in my rearview mirror. And how does this machine expect to beat out the next Mclaren super with that ridiculous price tagl.

8bmws…your statment is rife with tautologies. I don’t know how you define automotive market success, but were I a Lexus marketing director, I certainly wouldn’t bet on the controversy that my vehicle generated on an LLN board as an indicator.

Also, I talk about the high price. And I understand the market. I don’t know who you are to shut down that avenue of criticism with a blanket statement. As I said before, this vehicle doesn’t offer anything subjectively over other offerings in the price range in terms of style and pedigree, nor does it offer anything objectively, in terms of technical prowess (ferrari racing development), technology, or hard numbers.

The ONLY market that I see for this vehicle are Home Market Buyers, and billionare playboys who want a car for their girlfriends.

Nice car, but the GT-R still seems to reign over it! NIce try though!

Wow! That’s a Lot less pretty than the show cars were, especailly those odd triangular headlights and the slab sided rear quarter panel.
I also can’t help but notice how much the design of the dash recals the Ford Tempo. Look it up!

FIRST OFF NICKTOP IS AN ARROGANT DUMBASS. Seriously last time I checked supercars are not defined by how high their redline (because that matters Jack SH!T–hello Honda S2000) is. The term orignated due to the fact that these cars were just balls out, deathly fast. First off let me say that I lke this car is looks great, performance is there, comes from a well established psuedo reliable car company, and they WILL sale every last one they make. However I come from a more simple apporach of “i dont give a sh!t how much tech your car has if mine is faster then thats what matters most”. Cars like GT-R and the ZR-1 and the 911 Turbo or GT3 to me scream performance at the RIGHT price. This vehicle cant even out perform a ZR-1. I dont care who builds it, or how many super/turbo chargers are under the hood if a car peforms better then at the end of the day it matters who crosses the finish line first not how many dual clutch 8speed trannys, and reinforced cabin plastic you used to get there. Long story short this car should have went to the GM school of supercar finishing to learn how to build a proper BAD ASS engine and a fair price.

@ JSi , no sh!it , Sherlock , but i was talking about the know-how and expertise to build high revving engines, it’s not like the Toyota guys woke up one day and pioneered this technology.

@ 8bmws , Toyota has more than 20 years and how old a company is means nothing , you can hire some good engineers and build a supercar with a brand new company , look at Zonda, Caparo, Ascari, etc.

Toyota/Lexus really missed an opportunity to build a good R-8 contender! This thing should be priced around $120,000 and have a front grille that looked more like the concept.

and btw , the Toyota F1 team is based in Cologne , Germany , their engineering team is European.

i dont think this car is meant to be an actual competitor to the gt-r, zr1, etc, no matter what anyone says. i think this is more of a marketing thing. since this would count as a halo car, profit/production number dont really count. its all about hype. maybe toyota is readying up a more “downmarket” version of this? in the $100-150k range. so when you see that next to the lfa, the other car will seem like a good value, and will sell like hotcakes. in that case, the lfa would have done its job already.

this thing is way over priced i will take a low rpm high torque high hp engine any day, coast less better acceleration. if it was 1/2 as much it would be a good competitive car but at is price it not really. I wonder if it will even be reliable. for that much cash you can get a few supper cars and mod them to perform way better then this. I can get a hennessey viper for half this and it will blow it away with out electronic nannies. then i can add even a lot more to it, a gt-r with just a little work would beat it down too.

@ab–if this car is not meant to compete with the GT-R or ZR-1 then who is it supposed to compete with. Cars in that price range have to be its competition. Cars like the R8, GTR, and ZR-1 are rewriting the rule books when it comes to what a “supercar” should and can be. And your rationale of charging a ton for this only in turn to build some more affordable is bologna. That theory would hold water if Toyota had brought some sort of new ground breaking tech to the game with this car and they did not. Toyota building a car that has these kind of performance numbers WILL be compared to any other car that has similar performance regardless of the price. Yes I understand pedigree and plain old snobiness comes into play with supercars and cars in this price range but when it all boils down the question still remains —- Which car can handle better, which car can stop better, which car can go faster? And I dont know of any legitimate supercars the LFA is better than right now today

This car is seriously overpriced! Why would anyone pay twice or three times as much for this when they could get a GT-R or ZR-1, both of which in my opionion look better than the LF-A, and yet they both meet or beat it in performance!

For whoever of those who think a GTR will beat this……..dream on. As much as that be awesome, it wouldn’t even be close as it shouldnt be with the price.

zeegone , the GT-R will be faster than this , heck , at the 24 hour ‘Ring race , hot hatches were faster than this

Give me an r8 and a murc…
This thing is hideous and the specs are low on the supercar spectrum.. I hope they sell just one.. So that person can realize what an idiot he is and tell everyone not to get this junk…

Price means nothing zeegone, the GTR does 0-60 FASTER than the LFA. And isn’t too far behind on top speed (Who spends a huge amount of time at 200 anyways?).

I think the the Switzer P700 GT-R (they have a P800 as well, but it’s not street legal) should beat the LFA, and for a lot less… Just sayin’! I still stand by my original post that I’m glad Toyota made a supercar, and the price doesn’t bother me b/c I’m never going to buy one and neither is anyone on this site….

@masteryoda83: at least from this article, there is no competition for this car. only we are trying to compare it to other cars. even though toyota says theyre not doing so well, theyre doing this car for themselves. no, its not an engineering or styling milestone, it will never be, it is MARKETING, brand image. they worked up quite the hype, and it got us talking, didnt it? maybe thats all toyota wanted. and theres no denying that this car raises some serious value issues-you all have pointed who their competitors are. snobbish and arrogant? yes. is lexus aiming too high? probably. maybe its more of a modern-day 2000gt than modern-day supra. it really wasnt all that great, but they did manage to get it into a bond movie, and now its highly collectible. maybe thats the point of this car.

@ab: okay okay, youre right about that, it purely is a hype car, a brand image thing. But to me for something to cost so much money and not have any bragging rights is a bit insane to me. Take for instance the Veyron. Everyone knows Bugatti makes no money with those things but they can say its the fastest produciton car on earth and demand a price tag fitting of such a tag line. However even as a pure hype car/brand image scenario this car doesnt bring much to the table regardless of hype. This car could cost 200k and it still wouldnt be all that impressive. They could have made a modern day Supra and cashed in on that built in fan base and made something affordable enough where they could sale them by the tens of thousands. Thats how you change peoples minds you have to attack middle america. I just dont like how after all these years of dumping money into being perceived the “green” automaker they want to make this gas guzzling speed machine. To me I feel like make up your mind Toyota, just get back to what you do well (for now) which is convincing middle aged fat ass americans that you make the best car for them.

Gotta love a bunch of average Joes on here complaining about how “overpriced” this thing is. The LFA is some 200 pounds lighter than a 911 Turbo despite its size. Its V10 engine is related to Toyota’s former 3L V10 engines in Formula 1. The interior will be customized individually. Go figure why this Lexus costs that much.

We complain because this thing is no faster, and offers nothing new technologically when compared to cars that cost much much less. So why should it cost so much?

Lexus sucks!

Translation:

Lexus sucks!

I get the point about this being a showcase of Lexus’ capabilities, a halo car. If that’s the case then why didn’t they build a Maybach/Rolls Royce luxury car instead? Lexus’ aren’t marketed to performance buyers, they’re marketed towards people who want soft riding, quality luxury cars. A ’super’ luxury car would have made more sense.

@masteryoda83…theres no rhyme or reason for this car. i dont get it either. as if the is-f was irrelevant enough-especially considering toyota’s lineup-im not sure that lexus is trying to prove here. on top of that, some enterprising kid is going to come up with a body kit to make the last-gen celica look like this.

*what

Lexus will sell every single one of these. Translation to all the haters:

Eat it!

@superman

Hahah Yup. there is a competing market as of right now.

…thanks again beatus. Although I swear I’ve seen him use that one before.

Price drop!

MAN PEOPLE ON LEFTLANENEWS ARE STUPID.

Lexus LFA does **NOT** compete against:

Nissan GTR
Chev Corvette ZR-1
or even Ferrari 599

Does ANY Lexus model compete with those brands??

CLEARLY, Lexus brands biggest rival, in terms of clients, is MERCEDES-BENZ. This car is meant to go head to head against the SLR.

Case Points:
SLR’s MSRP = $507,500, LFA’s MSRP = $557,000
SLR’s Horsepower = 617HP, LFA’s Horsepower = 552HP
SLR’s Curb Weight = 3900lb, LFA’s Curb Weight = 3300HP
SLR’s LB per HP = 6.3, LFA’s LB per HP = 5.9
Transmission = Both automatics with manual control
Config = 2 Seater, Front Engine, RWD
Availability = Extremely limited for both

LFA is the lighter, more nimbler version of SLR. Think S2000 to 350Z, etc…

How the f.uck are you morons comparing this to other supercars? Does a V12 Ferrari 599 owner cross shop a Porsche 911 GT3? No.

And in terms of value.. would you rank Caliber SRT4 a better buy than a BMW 335i, just because it performs the same, at half the price? Unless you place absolutely ZERO value in anything outside of performance, it doesn’t even begin to make sense.

Now having said all that…

This 4.8L V10 (smaller displacement than their V8 in the IS-F), can be used in the GS class sedans. If they wanted to make some money out of this thing, that would be the logical way.

Think here…

M5 = 5.0L V10 = 507HP
“GS-F” = 4.8L V10 = 552HP

Perhaps lack of demand, but certainly they have a right engine that they can use for the job.

Lexus shut their mouths up with the style and performance, so the gm fanboys have to squirm about something. “quick, start talking about its price. “

**AND**

If Toyota was smart, they will an aluminum version of the chassis… stuff the 5.0L V8 from IS-F in here.. re-skin it.. and call it Toyota Supra. And make it compete against Camaro SS.

Camaro SS = 430HP
“Supra V8″ = 416HP

Or boost their 3.5L V6..

There are a lot of potential here, except for using the development only for the supercar.

Wow, shocked to see that price tag! This is a beautiful car with some interesting lines on both the inside and outside. It seems to compete only with the Audi R8 however the Audi is mid-engined and costs $120-160k.

I agree with whoever said the front should look more like the concept. This front end somehow looks a but plasticky and supra-esque but I can get over that. In the end though, at this ludicrous price, it basically does nothing more than ANSWER A QUESTION THAT NO ONE EVER ASKED.

At 300k+, there’s simply no reason for anyone to take it seriously. At 150k, will gain interest but enthusiasts like me would prefer the Audi R8 with the mid-engine configuration and lamborghini-sourced motor. At 100k, I could see this being the next hot thing due to its unique design and excellent construction. Unfortunately, its not 100k.

It actually looks a lot better than the concept version. Which I’m surprised. But that’s a good thing.

While many “supercars” are being beat in value and performance by the ZR1, GTR, & Viper ACR the person who would buy this isn’t going to buy the following mentioned. But if it was me, I’d buy all three mentioned above instead of the LF-A… lol

Guys, this thing will most likely priced under $350,000. I say this because a direct currency exchange does not equate to the predicted selling price in the states. Take a look at other cars that are sold in multiple countries. It has been my experience, which is a lot, that it almost always works out that the price in Euro equals the price in US dollars when it is sold. I.E 350,000 Euros will sell for $350,000.

Point in case is an Audi R8 that lists for 109,000 EURO in Germany, which is $180,000 converted, BUT ACTUALLY lists for $114,000 here. Don’t get your panties in a bundle just yet. This car WILL NOT cost the direct currency conversion value of $557k.

Also, speaking of the R8, I will take a black V10 for me and my wife (who loves Porsche) can have a white 911 Turbo Cab with black seats and pink stitching (which is what she would die for) over JUST this car. That would be $160k for the R8 and $140k for the Turbo. That would leave us $50k, if my prediction is true, for a Ducati 1098S.

Sh!t, I could supercharge my hypothetical V10 R8 and STILL be under $200,000. That would be fine. I could “Ruf-ify” my wifes hypothetical Turbo and be under $250,000. This Lexus IS NOT worth $350,000. I think some proper market research will prove this to them at Lexus as well. I have a feeling it will not sell for this price and if it does, it won’t for long.

Something just fell off the ugly truck.

Anyone who does not think this car competes with the GT-R, ZR-1, etc, is delusional. Just because the LF-A is ridiculously over priced does not mean those car are not its competition. It just means you pay more for something that is slower and looks less attractive.

with 375k price tag I want carbon fiber everything from buttons to door handles. every damn parts need to be carbon fiber in order for me to even consider this over lambo or ferrari

The only “supercar” part of the LFA is its price.

Burn in hell Toyota.

Sorry, Toyota. You fail. No heritage, no class, no way. You can’t just jump into the supercar game and expect to sell for twice or triple the supercar price. Nuh-uh. No way. Cool looking brakes though.

CAN’T WAIT TO SEE THIS CAR ON EXOTIC WRECKS…..

I don’t think Superman understands the “translation” joke.

dose any one know if it is true, that they have been slow to put the car in to production because they wanted this car to have better lap times then the car mentioned above (ZR-1, ACR, GTR 911) and they have been working on the car so it can do that?

thought i read that some where bud don’t remember where, but if it true that would mean at some level they are competing with those cars.

I would so take a Lambo over this for the price.

100 posts already. Yeah… they’ll never sell 500 of these.

Quote”
CLEARLY, Lexus brands biggest rival, in terms of clients, is MERCEDES-BENZ. This car is meant to go head to head against the SLR.
Case Points:
SLR’s MSRP = $507,500, LFA’s MSRP = $557,000
SLR’s Horsepower = 617HP, LFA’s Horsepower = 552HP
SLR’s Curb Weight = 3900lb, LFA’s Curb Weight = 3300HP
SLR’s LB per HP = 6.3, LFA’s LB per HP = 5.9
Transmission = Both automatics with manual control
Config = 2 Seater, Front Engine, RWD
Availability = Extremely limited for both”

Ok If the biggest rival to this car is MB offering then look at the current super car.

SLS MSRP: Converting from the quote EURO price $265,000 LFA $557,000
SLS HP: 571 LFA HP: 552
SLS Torque: 480 LFA Torque: 354
SLS Curb Weight 3600lb LFA Curb weight 3300lb
SLS LB per HP 6.30 LFA LB per HP 5.97
SLS 0-62 Repeat 0-62 is 3.8 LFA 0-60 3.7

Now assuming people are going to buy these for straight up prestige and exclusivity I think the MB SLS makes a better case the the LFA. The SLS has for one the mercedes badge (for better or worse) and also heritage looking back at the 300SL. But it also does this at a price that is half what the LFA costs.

So the LFA can’t compete with the likes of Ferrari or Lamborghini in pure sporting terms, and it also can’t compete in the luxury GT category as well. For $557000 it is more expensive then the Ferrari 599 GTB and isn’t able to compete with those numbers.

So who cares. In today’s world, it’s totally irrelevant. The technology developed for a vehicle like this just doesn’t make a difference to the real world. It doesn’t have CVT, so it has gears. Gosh, what year is it in Japan?

People buy these because salesmen tell them that it’s prestigious to own one and that “they” are amongst the few that have the money to do so. Must really stroke one’s mug in the mirror.

And as well all know, if it’s custom-made it’s not reliable or dependable, even if it’s a Lexus.

Nothing like living in never never land for a living.

This is all speculation. You think that the people over at Lexus haven’t thought of ALL the things all you just mentioned. Granted, this car is or will be expensive, but Lexus is not stupid. They know you will have to get something from that. A 599 GTB Fiorano is faster around a track than the Veyron but both of those cars sell well. They are for different people. I think, like mentioned before, this car compares with the SLS from MB. Mercedes and Lexus are very similar companies building similar cars. Sure, the SLS has the 300SL but the Lexus has MORE exclusivity and “should be” amazing performance. I was skeptical about people spending $120k PLUS on a V8 Audi TT (R8) but people cannot get enough of it, including myself. This is no different. I think that with the 10 years of development and ALL the money that it must have cost, this car HAS to do well. Granted, not a reason why it WILL do well but certainly a good case.

I will just wait and see. Look at Saleen for instance. The S7. That car lists for either $350,000 or $700,000 depending on the base or turbo model. Saleen builds tuning kits for $30,000 Mustangs. That car has done well enough to earn a name for itself. This is coming from Lexus, which already has a name for itself. Sure, not for sports cars but for good, quality, luxury vehicles. You have to start somewhere. Like all cars did. The Corvette was un heard of prior to the 1950’s but someone came up with the idea and 50 years later can be argued that it is the most pure sports car on the road. Defining a generation. Let the LFA be the Corvette of 2011.

i would like to meet the crack smoking moron who forks over half a mill for this car! there are several supercars from 150-250 that have more credibilty and heritage..not a toyota supercar..a company that never won anything except champcar.

Tornado,
a Mercedes sls would be about half of the price of this

Nice car, but that price just can’t be correct.

$375K is the right number.

This car is brilliant.

any country that loses the ability to make things eventually becomes irrelevant. when we can no longer support an army of engineers, scientists and innovators we will become a nation of paper shufflers and merchants. rue brittania!

Inside my head, chronologically:
-Cool, they released it…
-It looks decent, a little ricer but decent…
-557hp, really? unbelievable, and cool…
-90% torque up to 9000rpm, that’s a lot…
-Reads price, re-read price, re-read whole article, falls from chair.
-Seat.
-Read comments, everybody thinks the same…
-F(.)CK that’s not expensive, it’s simply too much buck for the bang.

One more ting
This makes the Mercedes SLS look like a $2 Ho

Not as stunning as the SLR was doh
DrFill

Ever wondered what happened if you take out the badge and judge the car the way it is. Technically it is more impressive than any other super car at any price with carbon fiber chassis and all. The price is justified, the logo isn’t and unfortunately at that price range human ego matters more.

Doc… that’s it? Ho and doh? More like tame and lame.

Ok first of all Johnycanuck is a ****ing deuche bag. Ok now on to the real subject here ah Toyota please first u can not come even close to what Nissan did with their GTR. And if some loser out there is willing to spend close to 600 grand for a lexus that person must be really stupid or blind. And in that area of 600 grand I can buy lets say a Ferrari F456 or the new McLaren P11 or the SLR for that matter or Koensiegg well i really thought Toyota/Lexus could do better but in the end it seems they couldn’t get this one right so that said this thing with the price and performance wise can not even come close to the ZR1 or the Nismo GTR.

I just dont think the proportions warrant that price tag.

why didnt they just make something to compete with the GT-R in the 80k range… honestly theres no way this car is gonna be competing with ferraris and lambos.. its a ****ing toyota

Oh yeah… why are there so many homosexuals on here calling this a Toyota?

Does it share parts with any Toyota cars? No.
But your Lamborgini shares parts with Volkswagens.
Your Land Rover shares parts with Ford.
Your Audi shares parts with Skoda.

Haha. Hilarious. You just paid $250,000 for a Volkswagen.

People are dumb. Real dumb. This isn’t an ES350, or an RX350. It’s a one off Lexus.

nickkop-
The ZR1 is not a supercar and doesnt hold up against Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’?
What are you smoking?
Plus, since when is 7000 RPM too low of a redline to be classified as a supercar?
The GTR redline is 7000 as well and the Porsche 911 GT2 is 6800.. are those not supercars?
The simple fact that the ZR1 looks like a Corvette does not mean it is not a supercar. It very much is.
And the fact that they have decided to use a supercharged V8 to get 100+ hp/liter has no bearing on the fact that the Lexus uses a V10. Especially considering the Lexus costs AT LEAST $200,000 more. Is that a $200,000 better engine than the LS9? No. Lets not forget BMW’s 5.0 V10 makes 100+ hp/liter from a naturally aspirated powerplant and revs like a bastard – and they sell it in cars for $90,000.
If you can re-examine or re-explain your logic behind the ZR1 not being a supercar, please do, and my point of this being overpriced being invalid, please do. Like I said I’m sure there are 500 people out there that hump the proverbial import leg, and like I also said this is a great car, but this is a great car for $150,000 – not $375,000-$575,000

@ Veda , what are you smoking , the F458 is more advanced than this in any way. it’s also faster , cheaper and it’s a Ferrari, not a Toyota.

@ LS7 , people call Lexus Toyota because they are Toyotas. Toyota invented Lexus, they didn’t buy the company, instead of putting the Toyota badge on their expensive cars , they just invented a new badge and fools you you are buying into their little marketing trick.

this car is a halo car, it took so long to develop , the R&D costs must have been huge, that’s why it is so expensive. maybe now they have the know how to build a cheaper car and with the money they make trying to sell 500 LF-As they will be able to hire some designers because this car looks like it came straight from Pimp my Ride.

I would like to meet anyone who actually is stupid enough to buy one of these cars. Not that it will not be a good car. I would just like to meet someone who chooses a Lexus as an exotic over a Ferrari or even the Mercedes SLS. Anyone who is willing to pay 375,000-575,000 for a Lexus needs some serious help. Halo car or not, anyone looking at this vehicle in a Lexus showroom will not be looking at anything else the sell to buy. With the exception of the IS-F every other Lexus is a boring over priced Toyota. The IS-F actually has some performance to it.

I dont care where the engine is based from, there is no technological advancement in this car. At least with the Corvette ZR1 they have the trick exhaust that after I believe it is 3000 RPM opens up and changes from a nice growl to all out roar. And you can get that sound and performance that will beat the LFA for $150,000 Canadian or less. And if it actually competes against the SLS Mercedes I will take my Mercedes in Silver please.

I think part of the confusion is the cars identity crisis. Is this a luxury GT or an all out sports car. If it is a luxury GT, it needs to be marketed as such. The 9000 RPM redline seems to push sports car though. However, for a dedicated sports car it is too heavy by about 300 lbs.

So, different aspects of this car seem to be at odds with its intended purpose and difficult to pigeon hole or market.

I understand this though and think it will likely be a fantastic car. This car falls under the same paradox of my Porsche 928. At the time it was marketed as : Faster than Anything as Luxurious, and More Luxurious as Anything as Fast.

The problem is you run into serious cost issues when trying to make a no holds barred no compromises type car.

Overall, the price still seems too high even at 350,000.

There are about 20 cars in this price range I would get if I was in the market before I would buy this.

Overall, Lexus fail.

Whatever, I don’t care what people think, if I had this much money to spend on a car, this would jump to the number 1 spot! And another thing, I read in a motor-trend magazine yesterday that the UK’s prices are high due to importing, the US has them much cheaper and it is to run in the $200K range…not the rediculous 600k!!! 200k+ sounds more than reasonable for the name+comparison to others in this segment+reliability!

This is a win for lexus, whether you like the car or not!

***ridiculous***

idrinorbarsaku – You are entitled to think what you want about the car. If you like and had the money to buy it more power to you. Most other people would think you are an idiot for spending 200,000+ on a Lexus. But hey you would have a really exclusive car that would get beat on most track straight or curvy by Corvette ZR1.

sorry ajm11, this may not be a ferrari but people prefer a toyota over a plastic bathtub vette. as to beating, you can jack up a hatchback honda and blow the doors off a vette. lexus didnt have to supercharge this like zr-1 is. this thing has enough potential to piss on the vette from a mile; fortunately it doesn’t have to – the gtr is taking care of that.

Veda, agreed. by the way, to those that compare the cost numbers of this car to the ferraris and astons, or beemers, whats the reliability like on those cars? sic.

$557,000? The decimal point is in the wrong spot.

Superman – what have you been smoking??? GTR beating the ZR1. You must be living in your own little world. I saw the tests of the ZR1 vs the GTR. The only competition where the GTR came close to the ZR1 performance was in 0-60 and 1/4 times and that is because the driver in the vette could not get the traction he needed to launch properly. Going around the race track the ZR1 owned the GTR. They did say the GTR could make a bad driver look good and the Vette was a little harder to drive around the track, but the ZR1 still bested it by more than a second per lap. As for calling the Vette a plastic bathtub, what do you call this Lexus. It is the type body, plastic and carbon fibre. Same as the ZR1. I never said there was a problem with this car, or even the GTR. I was saying that they should have priced similarly to the ZR1 and GTR as performance wise that is what it is close to.

ajm11,
the zr1 is cheap because you get cheap sh!t with it! You get the whole package with this car. As for handling, the LFA was practically designed and built on the nurburgring! Do you even know that it lapped the ‘ring at 7 minutes and 24 seconds! That beats the 911 GT2 and significantly one ups the GT-R!!!

ajm11 did i say the gtr beat the zr1? i said gtr is taking care of it: see v-spec. get your head outa your ass.

KarLove, QR25specV, Ab, scratchy, LS7, superman…etc.

ring-taxi ++++

by the way i agree that 350 or 375k or especially anything more than that is pretty steep for this car, but Im sure its fairly worth it…if you had it to blow…. i would rather have a fleet of tuner sport compact/ import and maybe a few american muscle machines too, not to mention crotch rockets, atv’s, dirt bikes, shifter karts…. and the like….. I would not rather have any corvette, ZR-1 or not… Im sure many LF-A buyers own or will have owned a ZR-1 as part of their fleet of toys anyway….. cmon are you serious? as if their budget would be limited to one sports or exotic car…..

a ZR-1 would be amazing and all, and I’m sorry to hurt your feelings, but, its NOT an exotic …
i said supercar before, and that was incorrect. sorry, my mistake… although IMO a super car SHOULD be able to withstand higher engine speeds than 6500 or 7000 rpm… cmon… do you really want to have to modulate throttle even below 4000 or 5000 rpm around every bend, just so that you don’t understeer like hell or oversteer and end up sideways… i can drive… trust me…. and its all a matter of opinion… Driving around a nice curvy race track SHOULD require skill, but should be be so much work?? that would suck a lot of the fun out of driving fast… anyway… thats just my reasoning….

the bottom line is finesse.. Exotics have it, MOST “supercars” have it, and most sport sedans, whether Italian, euro, jap, or american, have it… unfortunately not all do…. and in my opinion.. the Corvettes do to some degree, but compared to an Exotic, they do not, and compared to most other “supercars”, they do not.

by the way, I am sure the LF-A …. HAS IT…

This car, and maybe the Italia, actually sound like F1 cars
Many claim to have an F1 effect
Few achieve it

A ZR-1 can’t do that
Nor any Mercedes
DrFill

should it**

Dr. Fill ++++

“a ZR-1 would be amazing and all… …its NOT an exotic …
i said supercar before, and that was incorrect. sorry, my mistake… ”

Thanks for the correction, Nickkop. I agree with your point, too, in that the high revs do make a difference. I, personally, am a little more keen to the high-displacement, lower-revving engines, but I still love the high-revs in certain cars. Both are fun to me, but you’re right, that point between traction and breaking traction is a lot easier to deal with in a high-revving car.

I really hope a lot of this styling and interior carries over to the FT-86. This interior has a much nicer design, and I like it.

I don’t understand why some here think that you have to have high revs to be an exotic. Sure, there are magical engine noises that are generated at those revs, particularly in V10 or 12 applications.

However. there are significantly higher engine stresses as well. The higher the revs, The higher the engine stresses, and usually the higher the maintenence.

Large displacement engines with boost tend to experience significatly less mechanical stress than a similarly powered engine reving in the stratosphere. Therefore, the higer displacement engine will likely be more reliable.

In racing, cars are often limited by displacement and not allowed boost. This has been overcome by pushing the revs higher and higher. This is especially obvious in F1. If higher displacement and forced induction was allowed, the power levels would be pushed to insane and unsafe levels.

In a street car where this restrictions are not mandatory, why not go with a higher displacement, lower stress application to deliver the same amount of power and performance. That doesn’t make it any less fast.

Get over the snobbery of HP/liter and revs and appreciate reliable HP and absolute speed, no matter how it is produced.

Let there be no mistake, the VIper ACR and the Corvette ZR1 are supercars, by virtue of their Nurburgring lap times (and other track lap times). They are viciously fast supercars matched by very few. Who cares if the redline is 7K or 9K. They are faster than most can utilize by driving skill alone.

Oh, and Nickkop, I really don’t understand how an engne speed above 7K has anything to do with understeer. Have you ever driven a car with over 400 HP or have any Idea what causes a car to change dynamics at the limit. From your comments, I am guessing……..NO.

Take a few track days and get back with us………OK?

928
Uh………if I wanted a torque-rich engine you don’t have to rev
I’d get a Cummins diesel!

A 550+HP V8 engine, that gleefully runs to 9000 RPM, while sounding like ripping silk
That’s called Exotic
Look it up!

Or a Carbon-fiber Lexus that will beat virtually every sports car ever made around The ‘Ring
That’s called Exotic
DrFill

more then 0.5 M the price for this car really hearts !?!
anyway who said you can buy 3 GT-R actually you can buy 5 GT-R
The GT-R Cost around 85 .

I was always under the impression that this car was in the mid to upper 300k range, which is considerably overpriced for what it is. At $500k, i really don’t see a reason for this vehicle. Everyone is going ape **** over the 560hp V10, but BMW did a high-revving 4.9 (5) litre V10 in the M6/M5 for roughly $100k. In the exotic car market, Porsche did it with the Carrera GT, which looks,sounds, and goes better than the LFA. Why anyone would choose this thing over a real exotic is beyond me, its doesn’t look like a supermodel and doesn’t **** like a high end stripper….so why dish out the cash?

smokin, i love bmw’s but the M6 and even M5 to a large degree are styling atrocities. what’s with that junk in the trunk? and the front kidneys almost looks like they belong on a pontiac. this car, whether you like it or not, apes bmw’s styling; it looks mean but purposeful and focused, it actually looks like a race car, a supercar, whereas the M6 comparatively looks like something I would take to a dinner with friends. any porsche, while i like their carrera, looks like a toy. and again, people who have this kinda cash to throw around buy plenty of exotics, this one is different not only because it matches those exotics in performance and style, but because it will also trump their reliability.

a porsche*

Styling is 99.9% in the eyes of the viewer, theres no denying that. This Lexus just doesn’t look like an expensive car. Fine, it does look purpose built for racing, but besides that its full of awkward angles and just looks plain unproportional. That other .01% is reserved for the Carrera GT, as there is NO flaw with that car. Don’t even try to rag it.

It would be great if it was in the same league as the Nissan GTR, but Toyota completely skipped the entry level coupe segment, skipped the entry level sports car segment, skipped the exotic car segment and went straight for the supercar/hypercars. The only problem is the big dogs in this arena have established themselves over the decades. So why would I pick up this LFA over a 458, CGT, 911 GT2, GTR, Lamb SV, 430 scud? All of those were purpose built for racing….they undoubtably look better, perform better, and have the racing pedigree to justify their prices (in many cases, are still CHEAPER than the LFA)

ok i know this is becoming old news but u got to say this was the most anticipated freaken car right after Nissan GTR. I said it and i will say it again GTR is something else compared to this lexus. But if u hate at least respect this cross breed between a 2001 toyota celica gts wide body and rear fake air intakes of the supra but this doesn’t quite stop here check this link if u really want to hear this baby prrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpmZoZEIiI and this has some great music in it and now i bet after seeing this will quite change your mind about this lexus.

Drive fast live free…

Aside from cost. Lexus LF-A looks very much like Nissan 300XZ Second Gen. The ‘gator’ look. Could have been a lot better with small twin turbo system to boost the torque.

idrinorbarsaku – Your right there are statements that the LFA lapped Nurburgring in 7 minutes and 24 seconds. Unfortunately that is also an unofficial time. It was probably run with a professional driver at the wheel of the car. While that is still an incredible time, I would be hard pressed to spend the amount they are asking for on the Lexus when you can get a 2010 Corvette ZR1 that can run the same track in 7:26.4 official time. When this time was by the vette it was driven by GM development engineer Jim Mero not a professional race car driver.

Just got my Dec issue of Car and Driver and they predict this car will be $350,000. JUST LIKE ME. They also predict a 0-60 of 3.5 sec. Knowing that they are a bit conservative I see this being closer to 3.2.

Anyways, just wanted some confirmation on MY predictions.

So what the are saying is roughly $100,000 per second of 0-60

So after all that time waiting in anticipation for this car which looks great and much better looking than the fugly gtr, lexus goes and shoots itself in the foot before the car even lands in dealerships…
£336,000 ($557,000) ??? they must be joking….by the time in lands here (if it does at all) in australia it will be well over $700,000 AUD, that is just not worth it at all…..give me a scuderia anyday…sorry lexus you stuffed up on the price big time….

for this money, why not just buy a mucielago sv.

or two

Ah yes, the car that became outdated even before its release… Now which fools will buy them?

which fools will buy them…isn’t that an oxymoron? Are you really a fool if you can afford a car that costs a couple of hundred thousand? I think not!

Well, I am not sure about down in the U.S. but up in Canada you are not allowed to flat out buy the Lexus LFA. They have announced that the LFA will only be available on a two year lease. The buyout at the end is mandatory as per the lease contract. The pricing in Canadian dollars is $406,690.

http://www.wheels.ca/Industry%20News/article/782737