Comments on: Production Lexus LFA supercar makes world debut

By: ajm11

ajm11 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:58:19 +0000

Well, I am not sure about down in the U.S. but up in Canada you are not allowed to flat out buy the Lexus LFA. They have announced that the LFA will only be available on a two year lease. The buyout at the end is mandatory as per the lease contract. The pricing in Canadian dollars is $406,690.

http://www.wheels.ca/Industry%20News/article/782737

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:34:20 +0000

which fools will buy them…isn’t that an oxymoron? Are you really a fool if you can afford a car that costs a couple of hundred thousand? I think not!

By: adrian8806

adrian8806 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:54:47 +0000

Ah yes, the car that became outdated even before its release… Now which fools will buy them?

By: reedfast

reedfast — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:08:33 +0000

for this money, why not just buy a mucielago sv.

or two

By: Pazzo Canguri

Pazzo Canguri — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:02:55 +0000

So after all that time waiting in anticipation for this car which looks great and much better looking than the fugly gtr, lexus goes and shoots itself in the foot before the car even lands in dealerships…
£336,000 ($557,000) ??? they must be joking….by the time in lands here (if it does at all) in australia it will be well over $700,000 AUD, that is just not worth it at all…..give me a scuderia anyday…sorry lexus you stuffed up on the price big time….

By: ajm11

ajm11 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:30:31 +0000

So what the are saying is roughly $100,000 per second of 0-60

By: TornadoGTI

TornadoGTI — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:11:11 +0000

Just got my Dec issue of Car and Driver and they predict this car will be $350,000. JUST LIKE ME. They also predict a 0-60 of 3.5 sec. Knowing that they are a bit conservative I see this being closer to 3.2.

Anyways, just wanted some confirmation on MY predictions.

By: ajm11

ajm11 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:48:02 +0000

idrinorbarsaku – Your right there are statements that the LFA lapped Nurburgring in 7 minutes and 24 seconds. Unfortunately that is also an unofficial time. It was probably run with a professional driver at the wheel of the car. While that is still an incredible time, I would be hard pressed to spend the amount they are asking for on the Lexus when you can get a 2010 Corvette ZR1 that can run the same track in 7:26.4 official time. When this time was by the vette it was driven by GM development engineer Jim Mero not a professional race car driver.

By: Soravia

Soravia — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:24:05 +0000

Aside from cost. Lexus LF-A looks very much like Nissan 300XZ Second Gen. The ‘gator’ look. Could have been a lot better with small twin turbo system to boost the torque.

By: LunaticRider

LunaticRider — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:57:47 +0000

ok i know this is becoming old news but u got to say this was the most anticipated freaken car right after Nissan GTR. I said it and i will say it again GTR is something else compared to this lexus. But if u hate at least respect this cross breed between a 2001 toyota celica gts wide body and rear fake air intakes of the supra but this doesn’t quite stop here check this link if u really want to hear this baby prrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpmZoZEIiI and this has some great music in it and now i bet after seeing this will quite change your mind about this lexus.

Drive fast live free…

By: Smokin305s

Smokin305s — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:00:48 +0000

Styling is 99.9% in the eyes of the viewer, theres no denying that. This Lexus just doesn’t look like an expensive car. Fine, it does look purpose built for racing, but besides that its full of awkward angles and just looks plain unproportional. That other .01% is reserved for the Carrera GT, as there is NO flaw with that car. Don’t even try to rag it.

It would be great if it was in the same league as the Nissan GTR, but Toyota completely skipped the entry level coupe segment, skipped the entry level sports car segment, skipped the exotic car segment and went straight for the supercar/hypercars. The only problem is the big dogs in this arena have established themselves over the decades. So why would I pick up this LFA over a 458, CGT, 911 GT2, GTR, Lamb SV, 430 scud? All of those were purpose built for racing….they undoubtably look better, perform better, and have the racing pedigree to justify their prices (in many cases, are still CHEAPER than the LFA)

By: superman

superman — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:20:57 +0000

a porsche*

By: superman

superman — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:19:35 +0000

smokin, i love bmw’s but the M6 and even M5 to a large degree are styling atrocities. what’s with that junk in the trunk? and the front kidneys almost looks like they belong on a pontiac. this car, whether you like it or not, apes bmw’s styling; it looks mean but purposeful and focused, it actually looks like a race car, a supercar, whereas the M6 comparatively looks like something I would take to a dinner with friends. any porsche, while i like their carrera, looks like a toy. and again, people who have this kinda cash to throw around buy plenty of exotics, this one is different not only because it matches those exotics in performance and style, but because it will also trump their reliability.

By: Smokin305s

Smokin305s — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:44:40 +0000

I was always under the impression that this car was in the mid to upper 300k range, which is considerably overpriced for what it is. At $500k, i really don’t see a reason for this vehicle. Everyone is going ape **** over the 560hp V10, but BMW did a high-revving 4.9 (5) litre V10 in the M6/M5 for roughly $100k. In the exotic car market, Porsche did it with the Carrera GT, which looks,sounds, and goes better than the LFA. Why anyone would choose this thing over a real exotic is beyond me, its doesn’t look like a supermodel and doesn’t **** like a high end stripper….so why dish out the cash?

By: majoodmud

majoodmud — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:17:21 +0000

more then 0.5 M the price for this car really hearts !?!
anyway who said you can buy 3 GT-R actually you can buy 5 GT-R
The GT-R Cost around 85 .

By: DrFill

DrFill — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:09:02 +0000

928
Uh………if I wanted a torque-rich engine you don’t have to rev
I’d get a Cummins diesel!

A 550+HP V8 engine, that gleefully runs to 9000 RPM, while sounding like ripping silk
That’s called Exotic
Look it up!

Or a Carbon-fiber Lexus that will beat virtually every sports car ever made around The ‘Ring
That’s called Exotic
DrFill

By: 928dreamer

928dreamer — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:07:36 +0000

I don’t understand why some here think that you have to have high revs to be an exotic. Sure, there are magical engine noises that are generated at those revs, particularly in V10 or 12 applications.

However. there are significantly higher engine stresses as well. The higher the revs, The higher the engine stresses, and usually the higher the maintenence.

Large displacement engines with boost tend to experience significatly less mechanical stress than a similarly powered engine reving in the stratosphere. Therefore, the higer displacement engine will likely be more reliable.

In racing, cars are often limited by displacement and not allowed boost. This has been overcome by pushing the revs higher and higher. This is especially obvious in F1. If higher displacement and forced induction was allowed, the power levels would be pushed to insane and unsafe levels.

In a street car where this restrictions are not mandatory, why not go with a higher displacement, lower stress application to deliver the same amount of power and performance. That doesn’t make it any less fast.

Get over the snobbery of HP/liter and revs and appreciate reliable HP and absolute speed, no matter how it is produced.

Let there be no mistake, the VIper ACR and the Corvette ZR1 are supercars, by virtue of their Nurburgring lap times (and other track lap times). They are viciously fast supercars matched by very few. Who cares if the redline is 7K or 9K. They are faster than most can utilize by driving skill alone.

Oh, and Nickkop, I really don’t understand how an engne speed above 7K has anything to do with understeer. Have you ever driven a car with over 400 HP or have any Idea what causes a car to change dynamics at the limit. From your comments, I am guessing……..NO.

Take a few track days and get back with us………OK?

By: beatusmongous

beatusmongous — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:22:00 +0000

“a ZR-1 would be amazing and all… …its NOT an exotic …
i said supercar before, and that was incorrect. sorry, my mistake… ”

Thanks for the correction, Nickkop. I agree with your point, too, in that the high revs do make a difference. I, personally, am a little more keen to the high-displacement, lower-revving engines, but I still love the high-revs in certain cars. Both are fun to me, but you’re right, that point between traction and breaking traction is a lot easier to deal with in a high-revving car.

I really hope a lot of this styling and interior carries over to the FT-86. This interior has a much nicer design, and I like it.

By: nickkop

nickkop — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:52:53 +0000

Dr. Fill ++++

By: nickkop

nickkop — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:35:34 +0000

should it**

By: DrFill

DrFill — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:34:56 +0000

This car, and maybe the Italia, actually sound like F1 cars
Many claim to have an F1 effect
Few achieve it

A ZR-1 can’t do that
Nor any Mercedes
DrFill

By: nickkop

nickkop — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:31:46 +0000

by the way, I am sure the LF-A …. HAS IT…

By: nickkop

nickkop — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:31:18 +0000

by the way i agree that 350 or 375k or especially anything more than that is pretty steep for this car, but Im sure its fairly worth it…if you had it to blow…. i would rather have a fleet of tuner sport compact/ import and maybe a few american muscle machines too, not to mention crotch rockets, atv’s, dirt bikes, shifter karts…. and the like….. I would not rather have any corvette, ZR-1 or not… Im sure many LF-A buyers own or will have owned a ZR-1 as part of their fleet of toys anyway….. cmon are you serious? as if their budget would be limited to one sports or exotic car…..

a ZR-1 would be amazing and all, and I’m sorry to hurt your feelings, but, its NOT an exotic …
i said supercar before, and that was incorrect. sorry, my mistake… although IMO a super car SHOULD be able to withstand higher engine speeds than 6500 or 7000 rpm… cmon… do you really want to have to modulate throttle even below 4000 or 5000 rpm around every bend, just so that you don’t understeer like hell or oversteer and end up sideways… i can drive… trust me…. and its all a matter of opinion… Driving around a nice curvy race track SHOULD require skill, but should be be so much work?? that would suck a lot of the fun out of driving fast… anyway… thats just my reasoning….

the bottom line is finesse.. Exotics have it, MOST “supercars” have it, and most sport sedans, whether Italian, euro, jap, or american, have it… unfortunately not all do…. and in my opinion.. the Corvettes do to some degree, but compared to an Exotic, they do not, and compared to most other “supercars”, they do not.

By: nickkop

nickkop — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:13:25 +0000

ring-taxi ++++

By: nickkop

nickkop — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:06:52 +0000

KarLove, QR25specV, Ab, scratchy, LS7, superman…etc.

By: superman

superman — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:53:28 +0000

ajm11 did i say the gtr beat the zr1? i said gtr is taking care of it: see v-spec. get your head outa your ass.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:26:41 +0000

ajm11,
the zr1 is cheap because you get cheap sh!t with it! You get the whole package with this car. As for handling, the LFA was practically designed and built on the nurburgring! Do you even know that it lapped the ‘ring at 7 minutes and 24 seconds! That beats the 911 GT2 and significantly one ups the GT-R!!!

By: ajm11

ajm11 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:52:21 +0000

Superman – what have you been smoking??? GTR beating the ZR1. You must be living in your own little world. I saw the tests of the ZR1 vs the GTR. The only competition where the GTR came close to the ZR1 performance was in 0-60 and 1/4 times and that is because the driver in the vette could not get the traction he needed to launch properly. Going around the race track the ZR1 owned the GTR. They did say the GTR could make a bad driver look good and the Vette was a little harder to drive around the track, but the ZR1 still bested it by more than a second per lap. As for calling the Vette a plastic bathtub, what do you call this Lexus. It is the type body, plastic and carbon fibre. Same as the ZR1. I never said there was a problem with this car, or even the GTR. I was saying that they should have priced similarly to the ZR1 and GTR as performance wise that is what it is close to.

By: contra3

contra3 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:43:34 +0000

$557,000? The decimal point is in the wrong spot.

By: superman

superman — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:49:03 +0000

Veda, agreed. by the way, to those that compare the cost numbers of this car to the ferraris and astons, or beemers, whats the reliability like on those cars? sic.

By: superman

superman — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:35:57 +0000

sorry ajm11, this may not be a ferrari but people prefer a toyota over a plastic bathtub vette. as to beating, you can jack up a hatchback honda and blow the doors off a vette. lexus didnt have to supercharge this like zr-1 is. this thing has enough potential to piss on the vette from a mile; fortunately it doesn’t have to – the gtr is taking care of that.

By: ajm11

ajm11 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:15:17 +0000

idrinorbarsaku – You are entitled to think what you want about the car. If you like and had the money to buy it more power to you. Most other people would think you are an idiot for spending 200,000+ on a Lexus. But hey you would have a really exclusive car that would get beat on most track straight or curvy by Corvette ZR1.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:52:50 +0000

***ridiculous***

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:51:40 +0000

Whatever, I don’t care what people think, if I had this much money to spend on a car, this would jump to the number 1 spot! And another thing, I read in a motor-trend magazine yesterday that the UK’s prices are high due to importing, the US has them much cheaper and it is to run in the $200K range…not the rediculous 600k!!! 200k+ sounds more than reasonable for the name+comparison to others in this segment+reliability!

This is a win for lexus, whether you like the car or not!

By: 928dreamer

928dreamer — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:40:23 +0000

Overall, the price still seems too high even at 350,000.

There are about 20 cars in this price range I would get if I was in the market before I would buy this.

Overall, Lexus fail.