Why wouldn’t you buy a Mercedes-Benz SLS instead [of a Toyota]?

Please do not send this hideous looking lexus to the united states. This is the concept car that has the beluga whale front end. Looks like a something that was fabricated in someones garage with bondo and fiberglass. A ghetto’d out volvo c30 .

From some of the other pictures I’ve seen, this is something we’d seriously consider buying

look phat except the homie rims

Good luck with this Lexus – I kinda hope you are right, but you’re going to be again dissapointed. There was a survey to younger people recently on what they wanted in a future automobile and guess what they said – more fuel effecient? – yes, more gagets? – yes smaller? – nope. Basically it boils down to this – the US population is not going to pay more for less and by less I mean size.

Unless it’s a sports car or has something to do with sportyness – do you see people spending Lexus GS or even IS money for a smaller hatchback? I just don’t see it working. Audi has the A3 – true, but I don’t see people lining up for the ones that are priced like the larger A4 – and why would you?

I would like to see Lexus sell a hatchback in the sub $30k catagory, but for them to think of it as a $35-45k car is going to give them a rude awakening in the US.

I didn’t think the LF-Ch was bad, but it had a lot of funky little things about it that made it look ugly. There wasn’t anything special about it, it was about the most stereotypical shape for a hatchback you could get with a bunch of ugly lines and details.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a hatchback/station wagon version of the IS, however. If they go with something separate like this, sell it for around $28k, to undercut the IS some and be in the range of younger(ish) buyers.

I agree Jake. If these luxury car companies want to build a luxury compact car, they are going to have to price it under $30k. Otherwise, what’s the point? MPG is only part of the package people want. If these luxury car companies think they can price these cars over $30k and sell them based on improved MPG only, they are sadly mistaken. I would buy a car for over $30k with more amenities and accept 2MPG-3MPG less. I don’t consider this rocket science thinking here. It’s all logic people.

Hope to see A clean version of LF-Ch. This one is a busy design.

I still think that ‘luxury compact’ is an oxymoron… kind of like ‘happily married’.

this is one car that i would rather stayed across the pond

There’s talk of a 6 cyl being offered. Could be an interesting choice

If I wanted a hatchback, there is only one for me………………..GTI
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all the rest suck!

This market shift Lexus speaks of is several years away, I believe
In 2020, we will be buying smaller cars, and using cars much differently
But this car will be a niche player for the forseeable future
Bring a stick over, doh
DrFill

Another also-ran FWD Lexus derived from a much less expensive Toyota (Camry -> ES, Corolla/Prius -> HS, Highlander -> RX). Now if it were an IS-based RWD hatch we might have something to talk about…

drfilledwithcrap–
we thought you had a sticky throttle and ran into a tree. good to see that your bad in good shape. By the way, have you bought any stock in zip ties ?

zoomzoomer:

actually prius shares more with the yaris / vitz….

and HS250h is toyota Avensis

maddcapp:

uuuhhh you should try reading….the artical is about the LF-Ch

Not the LF-A

and i personally would have to see and drive both the SLS and LF-A but if i had to guess, and if i had the money, with that wailing and snorting F1 – derived V10, my money would proabably be on the LF-A …i don’t mind how it looks and id be more concerned with how many smiles per hour i got….
anyway, not a huge mercedes fan anymore…

Did a somebody say something to me?
No?
Moving on……
DrFill

idrinor… while i agree and like the gti.. i would rather take a wrx or better yet an STi… either one would embarass the gti around a track, in a straight, from a dig, on dry pavement, in the rain, in the snow sleet and ice… yeah… gti has a slightly classier interior… eeeh… and after 3 yrs/ 36k miles i would want to avoid having anything to do with owning one….

to each their own, my friend…

it’s not that hard to option a GTI up to 30k…and you would expect a lexus to come in below the price of a GTI? riiight…put the bong down…

dr.filledwithcrap-
DeNile ain’t just a river in Egypt. But it is at toyota with no top safety pics for 2010. Maybe the IIHs does not except zip ties and faulty fly by wire controls for safety. Yes, dr.filledwithdenile there is no top safety pics for lexus. But, you will always be the dr.ofoilchanges at your lexus dealer. Keep it Fill-ed to the top, Dr.Fill .

http://wot.motortrend.com/6578104/industry-news/iihs-reveals-top-safety-picks-for-2010-ford-wins-big-toyota-and-bmw-snubbed/index.html

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/default.aspx

dr.filledwithcrap-
DeNile ain’t just a river in Egypt. But it is at toyota with no top safety pics for 2010. Maybe the IIHs does not except zip ties and faulty fly by wire controls for safety. Yes, dr.filledwithdenile there is no top safety pics for lexus. But, you will always be the dr.of-oilchanges at your lexus dealer. Keep it Fill-ed to the top, Dr.Fill .

nickkop,
too bad those are totally different cars. I don’t care about tracks or anything else that would embarrass it, whats embarrassing is the fit and finish of the sti and wrx! The interior of both of those cars that you mentioned gets beat by a frikin civic! FAIL!!! I guess that boy racer thing leaves as you finish high school! Whatever floats your boat right? The perception that vw vehicles fail after 36k miles is as huge and false as the toyotas never braking down or needing a fix! Own one before making a statement based on some other idiots lame remarks!

L e xus Sux!

ALS
You know, if you are informed, that Toyota/Lexus cars and trucks are outstanding in crash tests. The best you’ll find on the market
Now they’ve just added a new variable
Only about 2 dozen vehicles now overachieve in roof standards
Only the truly ignorant (you) would figure Toyotas/Lexus are not excellent at safety
DrFill

dr.filler
Keep it filled to the top with crap, dr.fill
Now your arguing with the IIHS. hahaha

That’s what you got from my post?
You’re dumber than even I thought!
I’m impressed by your stupidity
DrFill

@ nickkop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8ILpBM8oVo

They should tbh base it off the FT86 car, with less sporty handling(leave that for the LF-C-F)?

You know, a while back they sold an IS hatch.

Methinks that would blow over better in America than this would.
They really overthought this. Methinks they should have just hatched an IS.

-Cereal

idrinor… actually ive leased / owned 2 mark V jettas – TDI and GLI 2.0t,
MkIV GTI, mkIV GLI 1.8t 6-speed., i sold new and used VW’s and have driven many mkV GTI / one or two R32’s

the MkVI GTI looks like a significant improvement… very nice.. but its just not that important… obviously you have never been in a new WRX, though if you are even remotely comparaing it to a civic (which, with respect to it, is quite nice as well for the money)…

fail actually it looks like a big FAIL for mr.vw fanboy

nickkop,
“the MkVI GTI looks like a significant improvement… very nice.. but its just not that important… ”
That makes no sense! Not important for what purpose/reason?

Ok, show me one post that speaks of their great interior quality(wrx/sti)! There is none!!!! I have been in all of those cars, that’s why I mentioned what I said! The interior quality of the civic DOES exceed that coming from the wrx and sti!
I like how you quickly jumped on the fanboy wagon! I guess to you, stating a fact instantly makes you a fanboy of that car/manufacturer!

I suggest you go watch that video SCRATCHY posted and learn something!

Looks like the only “fanboy” here is you!

Johnny you are old enough to remember original 2002. It was compact and costly (luxury?)
How long you’ve been in that jail my friend? Have you mentioned that you weren’t completely and utterly happy and got some? Ergo, you are happily married (with children).

idrinor… stating a fact?? you sound like NMOFGM…. (quite intelligent, let me tell you… lol)
that is your opinion, buddy….

and i like your point about how these cars are completely different… wow
why? because the wrx offers an interior “almost as nice as a civic” lol thats just too funny…
but 65 more horsepower and about 37more lb-ft torque from its Turbo Boxer…. + All Wheel Drive…
same if not much better long term reliability(50k-120k miles) (unless it is significantly modified)

+rally heritage

price only about 1100 more than a base 4 door gti for a base four door wrx (1600 more for the 5dr hatch)

….these are facts….
check vw’s long term reliability / customer satisfaction ratings….
you will probably find that they suck balls

@ scratchy: cool clip but look again and you will see that is the 2008 model with 40 less hp…. the 2009-2010 models have 265hp… as much the GTI-R will have for “only” $33-35k

im done arguing with you about your opinion…
you can go buy your gti with fwd and 200hp for a little less or the same price as the wrx
(good luck finding a dealer with any base gti on their lot, most are pre-ordered by the dealer with options and hence a sticker price between %24,500 and 25,000)

all see you on the highway… and laugh at you…. hahahah,

naahh… i would enjoy my advantage modestly…

^^@idrinorbarsaku

$24,500 and $25,000 ***
i’ll ***

and they don’t discount either model at dealers…. rarely even for employees

Whatever, I’ve been saying that there all reviews frown down upon the wrx’s cheap interior, yet praise the new gti’s interior. That is a fact because you can do a search just as easily as I can and find out!

ohhh so their opinion is a fact…. that makes sense…

I still like this. Takes guts to produce something funky. I’d consider buying one if I was in Manhattan and didn’t have need for a full time vehicle.