This is pure propaganda. Need a motive? One more thing to pin on the Republican in office-Bush is responsible for the destruction of our planet. My only regret about this whole debate is that Bush caved to these nuts out there and signed the CAFE regulation standards. Better buy your Corvettes soon, boys and girls.

AS I SAID, on what basis can anybody create a scale dealing with MILLIONS of years with any accuracy at all? MILLIONS? ON WHAT BASIS??? How can there be such a scale when the truth is WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW SOMETHING WILL REACT OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS? When I hear about a dinosaur living 65 million years ago, I simply laugh. For all we know, they could have been living 100,000 years ago-Maybe their bones aren’t around anymore because they were ground into powder and snorted by some early primate ancestor of Keith Richards.

In the meantime, I like my ’07 Cadillac DTS and will not be trading it for a “Smart?” Car anytime soon. Unless Cadillac does something stupid like shrink the current cars as they did in 1977 and 1985, there’s always Lincoln.

dmbpearl- That clarifies things. I had a science teacher who stereotyped like that about the religious community and global warming.

Either way, it’s just a bunch of losers of the world trying to control the winners of the world, just like they did back then on those pyramids. Like I said, welcome to the Church of What’s Happening Now.

What people fail to realize is that while global warming gases do keep heat in, they also keep heat out. Insulators work both ways, you know. Therefore contributing to our stable climate. If you want to see it for yourself, google a historical temperature trend that doesn’t focus on the media hyped last century. I’m at work and don’t feel like doing it myself.

(add the www. obviously)

Buivrolet- I’m not fully sure where your getting all those statistics, and I’m no real believer in global warming, but you really need to go look up some of that crock of **** up.

dmbpearl- Keep away from stereotypes. Not all, or even most of the religious community thinks like that, I can tell you that. I sure don’t, but you know, I’m a real skeptic of global warming. The biggest reason however, that I refuse to support the theory is not the science, but because of the fact people are trying to capitalize on it, and governments are closing in on it. To me, when that happens, it’s a form of control. That might be a little bit more in tune with most of the religious community, but facts have contradicted global warming as well. But regardless, it would be wise of you not to judge most by their religion; it’s such a loose term now.

muderedout- I refuse to believe your an adult.

Ray Sinclair- It’s called half lives buddy. Carbon dioxide and a few other elements have half lives, each half life of each element being different.
But, to reply somewhat to what scarface03 had said in reply to your comment, none of these dating processes are totally accurate, and I’ve seen many cases where dates were totally off the full proof “dating”.
And also, scarface, similar major warming occurred in the 1700′s, again not long after the first millennium, and a few other smaller warming events.

Here’s a REAL fact for you:

We can thank our relatively stable climate (0.5* change over the last 50 years, O SHI-!) for the past 6000 years to the overly feared greenhouse gases. When’s the last time we had a major ice age? Not since the dawn of civilization, when deforestation emitted greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and stabilized our climate. The global average temperature used to change several degrees PER YEAR and now people are getting all shitfaced about a half a degree change over half a decade…

Get over it. The earth goes through cycles. I’m so sick of the media hype with C02 emissions and the people that buy into it.

There seems to be a lot of people who doubt science (right, Ray Sinclair?), which probably means they’ve never been exposed to or studied it. Honestly, analogizing daily weather variations to *climate* change over much greater time periods is a nothing argument going nowhere. I think we dismiss these comments outright.

I don’t know everything about both sides to the argument, but I’ve heard both sides. This I think to be true:

Global warming is happening. *All* scientifically conducted, peer reviewed studies agree. But as some posters have noted, the question is: is this part of the natural geological cycle of the Earth, or is it caused by man?

I can’t say that I’m in the alarmist camp, but I think we have to concede that man is a huge part of this problem. Climatic changes over the eons aren’t traced with precision to the year, or over one or two generations. Global changes happen over long periods of time. I think the spike in global warming (with significant average increases occurring yearly ) is just too quick to be a completely natural change.

I see the Earth as a beaker with lid on it. A great cosmic chem-lab science experiment. Anything you threw into that beaker you had in high school will change somehow its contents, and most of the time it causes a reaction. If you dump 70 million tons of shit into that Earth beaker every day, and geometrically increase the number of people doing the dumping within the same generation, YOU ARE GOING TO CAUSE A REACTION. Maybe you’ll make a natural reaction worse… hasten it a bit. Maybe you have the power to change the course of something that shouldn’t have happened.

But, the Earth beaker’s got a lid on it, and very little of our shit is going anywhere but staying put. We know what the industrial age has done to the Earth’s resources and we can chart what humans have put into the atmosphere that phytoplankton otherwise wouldn’t have. I just can’t fathom how anyone can say that what we do DOESN’T matter…..

How ’bout Lutz the Putz? Maybe he insensitively was trying to say that replacing the world’s cars with Priuses isn’t the answer. I agree *that* would be a crock of shit. But I do think there’s a problem, but there are other more significant causes that the car you drive.

We’ve got land. if the seas rise, we’ll move to Indiananpolis, Louisville, Minneapolis, Vegas and Denver… life will move on.

You guys who BELIEVE humans are responsible for the ice caps melting are M-M-M-Morons.

Oh yeah – his opinion is useless. It only matters
insomuch as he is able to steer a GM into ill conceived ventures.

I hate this new trend in humanity where now that we know a little bit about science, we can’t bear to think there’s something we can’t control. So we try to attribute every single little weather pattern or climate shift to ourselves.

I really had a lot of respect for Mr. Lutz until recently. His comments about global warming and his constant whining and excuses about product strategy based on upcoming CAFE regulations has undermined my confidence in his thought processes. If the cancellation of a brand appropriate, Zeta based coupe product for Pontiac while approving the importation of a brand confusing trucklet product for the division is his idea, no wonder GM has stopped taking his opinions seriously.

that’s what science does.

likewise, most climate and atmospheric scientists have created models that demonstrate that there is a correlation between humans, CO2 and the earth’s temperature. when these models are then compared to ice core data from the last several hundred thousand years, the correlation is even stronger, much stronger.

is the correlation causal or coincidence? most scientists believe its causal, though not all. some do think the sun is having an effect. still, for some on this forum to claim that believers of global warming are psuedoscientists proves those people have no understanding of science.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/23/tech/main3742196.shtml?source=RSSattr=SciTech_3742196

Keep on believing it, sheep.