Comments on: Lutz: GM building hybrids for good press http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:04:35 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: GarbageMotorsCo http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-288214 GarbageMotorsCo Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:56:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-288214 They also offset the gas sucking lineup of trucks and SUV's that you seem to be drunk on Putz. How many do you have in that lineup, 30? 40? And your continued devotion to gas guzzling with full on brands like Hummer is admirable... if your freakin ExxonMobil. They also offset the gas sucking lineup of trucks and SUV’s that you seem to be drunk on Putz. How many do you have in that lineup, 30? 40?

And your continued devotion to gas guzzling with full on brands like Hummer is admirable… if your freakin ExxonMobil.

]]> By: Daniel Barker http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-247409 Daniel Barker Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:21:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-247409 After the bad hurricanes, FEMA advised people to carry spare fuel in their vehicle in case they were stranded in traffic jams. I contacted FEMA and wrote that a hybrid vehicle consumes no fuel when it is not moving, and is very efficient at low speeds. It is our responsibility to conserve energy. We can buy a hybrid. We can follow Brazil's example and produce alcohol for fuel. After the bad hurricanes, FEMA advised people to carry spare fuel in their vehicle in case they were stranded in traffic jams.
I contacted FEMA and wrote that a hybrid vehicle consumes no fuel when it is not moving, and is very efficient at low speeds.
It is our responsibility to conserve energy. We can buy a hybrid. We can follow Brazil’s example and produce alcohol for fuel.

]]> By: rp http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-208372 rp Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:27:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-208372 gm had the ev1 a long time ago and no one wanted they went to the scrap heap. gm had the ev1 a long time ago and no one wanted they went to the scrap heap.

]]> By: Eric Z http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207747 Eric Z Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:18:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207747 I don't own a single GM car. It's not because I hate them, because I don't. It's because I feel most of their cars have no passion. They are not interesting. I know some people may not feel this way but it's my opinion. I'm sure most of you aren't salivating over the thought of owning an Impala. On the flip side the new Corvette is outstanding and amazing. I also don't know much about any of GM's new offerings except the Corvette and I am not really interested because a lot of my friends owned GMs in the past and they weren't very reliable (Camaro, I'm thinking of you!). If there is some GM car I must be missing out on please let me know. One more thing I don't understand at all is how people say buying a Honda or Toyota is not supporting America. Please cut that crap out, there are Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda, and Toyota plants not too far from me and they are supplying jobs to Americans. Just so no one gets really excited and yells at me for not having an American car we have a Chrysler and we HAD multiple Ford trucks and cars (our Lightning's engine literally exploded, which is too bad because I loved that car). I don’t own a single GM car. It’s not because I hate them, because I don’t. It’s because I feel most of their cars have no passion. They are not interesting. I know some people may not feel this way but it’s my opinion. I’m sure most of you aren’t salivating over the thought of owning an Impala. On the flip side the new Corvette is outstanding and amazing.

I also don’t know much about any of GM’s new offerings except the Corvette and I am not really interested because a lot of my friends owned GMs in the past and they weren’t very reliable (Camaro, I’m thinking of you!). If there is some GM car I must be missing out on please let me know.

One more thing I don’t understand at all is how people say buying a Honda or Toyota is not supporting America. Please cut that crap out, there are Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda, and Toyota plants not too far from me and they are supplying jobs to Americans. Just so no one gets really excited and yells at me for not having an American car we have a Chrysler and we HAD multiple Ford trucks and cars (our Lightning’s engine literally exploded, which is too bad because I loved that car).

]]> By: wordymouth.com http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207719 wordymouth.com Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:35:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207719 [...] Is it possible that hybrid vehicles are the auto industry’s secret grassroots public relations effort?  A calculated, grass-roots, astroturfing event aimed at making motorists feel so cool that they actually buy hybrid vehicles and support the big automakers who produce them?  Perhaps, if you listen to General Motors Vice Chairman Bob Lutz who as much as admitted that hybrids are a clever public relations campaign in a recent interview reported on LeftLanenews.com. “Hybrids are technologically of doubtful benefit, and expensive, but necessary from a political and public relations point of view,” Lutz told Just-Auto. “Toyota has said, economically, hybrids make no sense. The reduction in fuel [consumption] does not pay for the technological content and cost of the vehicle so therefore economically it remains fairly nonsensical, so that’s the left-brain analytical argument.  The right brain is it’s the popular thing to do, many people believe that if we all drove hybrids the world would suddenly get cooler again and then it’s the patriotic thing to do because if you drive a hybrid you will no longer be funding the Arab terrorists, and so forth. So, with all those beliefs out there, you have to do a hybrid for public policy reasons.” [...] [...] Is it possible that hybrid vehicles are the auto industry’s secret grassroots public relations effort?  A calculated, grass-roots, astroturfing event aimed at making motorists feel so cool that they actually buy hybrid vehicles and support the big automakers who produce them?  Perhaps, if you listen to General Motors Vice Chairman Bob Lutz who as much as admitted that hybrids are a clever public relations campaign in a recent interview reported on LeftLanenews.com. “Hybrids are technologically of doubtful benefit, and expensive, but necessary from a political and public relations point of view,” Lutz told Just-Auto. “Toyota has said, economically, hybrids make no sense. The reduction in fuel [consumption] does not pay for the technological content and cost of the vehicle so therefore economically it remains fairly nonsensical, so that’s the left-brain analytical argument.  The right brain is it’s the popular thing to do, many people believe that if we all drove hybrids the world would suddenly get cooler again and then it’s the patriotic thing to do because if you drive a hybrid you will no longer be funding the Arab terrorists, and so forth. So, with all those beliefs out there, you have to do a hybrid for public policy reasons.” [...]

]]> By: Josh http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207511 Josh Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:06:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207511 Hybrid cars are a nessasary step in the right direction. If major car manufactures invest in technology to free our dependance on gasoline, and bring awareness to the public, we are moving in the right direction. Who knows what the outcome with be, electric, hybrid, e85, fuel-cell, etc, but we are better off then we where 10 yrs ago and moving in the right direction. Mr. Lutz may not understand the role he is playing in the future of transportation, but hopefully our childrens generation will see the benefits. Hybrid cars are a nessasary step in the right direction. If major car manufactures invest in technology to free our dependance on gasoline, and bring awareness to the public, we are moving in the right direction. Who knows what the outcome with be, electric, hybrid, e85, fuel-cell, etc, but we are better off then we where 10 yrs ago and moving in the right direction. Mr. Lutz may not understand the role he is playing in the future of transportation, but hopefully our childrens generation will see the benefits.

]]> By: rp http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207466 rp Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:10:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207466 I like to smell and lick butts. I like to smell and lick butts.

]]> By: Anonomus http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207364 Anonomus Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:22:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207364 GM is the best company ever, toyota hybrids is for people that like the smell of their own fart. GM is the best company ever, toyota hybrids is for people that like the smell of their own fart.

]]> By: Dave http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207252 Dave Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:59:51 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207252 Lutz is correct. Hybrids do not make sense at all. And, he is a car guy who has more knowledge about cars in his little finger than all the posters here have in the total of all their bodies. All you hybrid owners had better trade them in before they need new batteries, or be prpared for a very large bill. As far as saving the environment, cars keep getting blamed for all the pollution, but it is not so. Modern cars are pretty clean, and getting better all the time. Hybrids are nothing more than a "feel-good" marketing ploy, a stop-gap measure before we finally get to real alternatives, like fuel cells. Lutz is correct. Hybrids do not make sense at all. And, he is a car guy who has more knowledge about cars in his little finger than all the posters here have in the total of all their bodies. All you hybrid owners had better trade them in before they need new batteries, or be prpared for a very large bill. As far as saving the environment, cars keep getting blamed for all the pollution, but it is not so. Modern cars are pretty clean, and getting better all the time. Hybrids are nothing more than a “feel-good” marketing ploy, a stop-gap measure before we finally get to real alternatives, like fuel cells.

]]> By: GM number1-4ever http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207152 GM number1-4ever Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:24:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207152 Bob, just stick to building the best vehicles in the business. These anti-GM sheep will eventually wake up and realize that they have been driving shitboxes when they could be driving a superior GM offering instead. Just keep up the good work and don't worry, those morons driving anything other than a GM product are just jealous of your success Bob, just stick to building the best vehicles in the business. These anti-GM sheep will eventually wake up and realize that they have been driving ****boxes when they could be driving a superior GM offering instead. Just keep up the good work and don’t worry, those morons driving anything other than a GM product are just jealous of your success

]]> By: JL http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207099 JL Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:27:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207099 By the way, GM lost a customer in me. I had ALWAYS driven GM products and actually did not think they were that bad. But in 99 when the Insight came out I was sold. I waited until 2005 for GM to come out with anything that was even remotely similar. Nothing, I finally bought a used Insight and have not gone back. When it came time to replace my wife's car after an accident. I didn't even consider anything from GM. By the way, GM lost a customer in me. I had ALWAYS driven GM products and actually did not think they were that bad. But in 99 when the Insight came out I was sold. I waited until 2005 for GM to come out with anything that was even remotely similar. Nothing, I finally bought a used Insight and have not gone back. When it came time to replace my wife’s car after an accident. I didn’t even consider anything from GM.

]]> By: JL http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207096 JL Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:19:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207096 OK, I have a question. WHY THE HELL IS IT THAT HYBRIDS HAVE TO MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE? Does GM talk about the economic sense of building a 400+ hp Corvette? Do they talk about the economic sense of a Cadillac Escalade? NO. In the last New Cars Guide from Motor Trend (I think it was them) their only comment on the Honda Insight was "Two seats is not enough" Huh, seemed like two seats were enough for the Miata, and every other two passenger sports car out there. There is a huge double standard that is applied to hybrids and other eco friendly cars. Cars in general do not make economic sense, they are a liability, not an asset. They do nothing but lose value and consume resources if you look at them from a purely economic stand point. I drive a hybrid and it actually does make sense for me. It does not for everyone. However, if you look at it from a societial stand point instead of the individual, they do make sense. If we can improve our fleet MPG even slightly, the overall benefit to the country would be huge. But why would we want to think of others when we can drive an Urban Assault Vehicle? OK, I have a question.

WHY THE HELL IS IT THAT HYBRIDS HAVE TO MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE?

Does GM talk about the economic sense of building a 400+ hp Corvette? Do they talk about the economic sense of a Cadillac Escalade?

NO.

In the last New Cars Guide from Motor Trend (I think it was them) their only comment on the Honda Insight was “Two seats is not enough”

Huh, seemed like two seats were enough for the Miata, and every other two passenger sports car out there. There is a huge double standard that is applied to hybrids and other eco friendly cars. Cars in general do not make economic sense, they are a liability, not an asset. They do nothing but lose value and consume resources if you look at them from a purely economic stand point.

I drive a hybrid and it actually does make sense for me. It does not for everyone. However, if you look at it from a societial stand point instead of the individual, they do make sense. If we can improve our fleet MPG even slightly, the overall benefit to the country would be huge. But why would we want to think of others when we can drive an Urban Assault Vehicle?

]]> By: JMa http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207072 JMa Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:54:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207072 I think the reason GM doesn't like hybrids and electric cars, or any new technology is because they never had the forsight to develop it themselves, or have the engineering know how to do it themselves. That is also the reason why they claim E85 is the solution, there is only a minimal investment to be made and they can continue to use their antique engines. I think the reason GM doesn’t like hybrids and electric cars, or any new technology is because they never had the forsight to develop it themselves, or have the engineering know how to do it themselves.

That is also the reason why they claim E85 is the solution, there is only a minimal investment to be made and they can continue to use their antique engines.

]]> By: CKE http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207055 CKE Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:17:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207055 He/they just don't get it. It's not only about the money. It's also about who you want to do business with. Would you pick a kid earning college money or a known drug dealer casing neighborhoods to paint your house? How about if the drug dealer offered to do it at a lower price? At some point, your car purchases should satisfy your transportation requirements, and let you bolster the companies that you want to see move forward. The values of the companies that succeed influence our lives, environment, and politics. Do you want to advance the oil cartels in the mideast, and their US partners, or the new battery companies and electric motor manufacturers, and local electrical powergrid utilities and their renewable electrical power projects? The technologies you choose will also attract industry investment. Do you want R&D engineers working on batteries, electric motors, electric power? Or on internal combustion engines spewing yet more CO2 - turning solid form carbon into airborn carbon dioxide. Ethanol still launches carbon into the air - and is not all that cheap. Long term, new energy sources will be in electricity, not liquid fuels. But this is America. We can have it all: fast cars, hot showers, cold beer, a clean environment for our kids, and an economy where we only have to deal with countries we like. All it takes is imagination, ingenuity and determination - renewable resources in plentiful supply here in this country. He/they just don’t get it. It’s not only about the money. It’s also about who you want to do business with. Would you pick a kid earning college money or a known drug dealer casing neighborhoods to paint your house? How about if the drug dealer offered to do it at a lower price? At some point, your car purchases should satisfy your transportation requirements, and let you bolster the companies that you want to see move forward. The values of the companies that succeed influence our lives, environment, and politics. Do you want to advance the oil cartels in the mideast, and their US partners, or the new battery companies and electric motor manufacturers, and local electrical powergrid utilities and their renewable electrical power projects? The technologies you choose will also attract industry investment. Do you want R&D engineers working on batteries, electric motors, electric power? Or on internal combustion engines spewing yet more CO2 – turning solid form carbon into airborn carbon dioxide. Ethanol still launches carbon into the air – and is not all that cheap. Long term, new energy sources will be in electricity, not liquid fuels. But this is America. We can have it all: fast cars, hot showers, cold beer, a clean environment for our kids, and an economy where we only have to deal with countries we like. All it takes is imagination, ingenuity and determination – renewable resources in plentiful supply here in this country.

]]> By: Mike http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207047 Mike Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:48:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207047 Jack: "don't you think it would have a higher trade in value though, as someone will pickup where you left off?" no. I would not want to buy a higher milage hybrid and shoulder the additional costs of replacement parts on an out-of-warranty vehicle. $$$$$$$$$$ "I think a Hybrid would be a must for Taxi drivers, company reps, etc…" Econo-cars with expensive replacement parts and a high cost-per-mile as high mileage fleet vehicles? You must be joking, or just ignorant. There is a reason that the body-on-frame vehicles dominate this market... reliability under the most abusive conditions imaginable. Jack:
“don’t you think it would have a higher trade in value though, as someone will pickup where you left off?”
no. I would not want to buy a higher milage hybrid and shoulder the additional costs of replacement parts on an out-of-warranty vehicle. $$$$$$$$$$

“I think a Hybrid would be a must for Taxi drivers, company reps, etc…”
Econo-cars with expensive replacement parts and a high cost-per-mile as high mileage fleet vehicles? You must be joking, or just ignorant. There is a reason that the body-on-frame vehicles dominate this market… reliability under the most abusive conditions imaginable.

]]> By: BS http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-207008 BS Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:17:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-207008 Unfortunately, every commodity will be market-driven. Unfortunately, every commodity will be market-driven.

]]> By: TofuPunk >> Find one in every car. You’ll see. » Blog Archive » Stealing back my best ideas http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206938 TofuPunk >> Find one in every car. You’ll see. » Blog Archive » Stealing back my best ideas Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:48:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206938 [...] * VP of GM: “Running the nation on E85 makes more sense than all the hybrids in the world.” Yes, let’s switch from one market-driven fuel to another, rather than… oh, forget it. I’m too mad to make snarky, liberal comments. >:( [...] [...] * VP of GM: “Running the nation on E85 makes more sense than all the hybrids in the world.” Yes, let’s switch from one market-driven fuel to another, rather than… oh, forget it. I’m too mad to make snarky, liberal comments. >:( [...]

]]> By: Jack http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206928 Jack Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:36:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206928 Having test diven a Civic hybrid, you cant tell the difference from a normal civic. it was said above you'd have to drive 100,000 miles to make up the extra cost in fuel. don't you think it would have a higher trade in value though, as someone will pickup where you left off? eventually the car will do more than 100,000 miles (though i think you'll find it will be a lot less as fuel prices continue to go up). I think a Hybrid would be a must for Taxi drivers, company reps, etc... By not investing now, GM will be left behind. Having test diven a Civic hybrid, you cant tell the difference from a normal civic.

it was said above you’d have to drive 100,000 miles to make up the extra cost in fuel. don’t you think it would have a higher trade in value though, as someone will pickup where you left off? eventually the car will do more than 100,000 miles (though i think you’ll find it will be a lot less as fuel prices continue to go up). I think a Hybrid would be a must for Taxi drivers, company reps, etc…

By not investing now, GM will be left behind.

]]> By: Bryan Detty http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206870 Bryan Detty Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:39:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206870 Can one of these Hybrids tow my show car and trailer? Heck even the cooler and all of the stuff that I take with me to a car show. What about towing a camper and all of the camping supplies? How much grocieries can you load in one of those hybrids, You know like when my wife spends $200 at Krogers and another $200 at Wal Mart? How comfortable on long trips? I am going to be doing my 5th 6+ hour trip outside of car shows for the year. I mean I know I am only averaging 18/19 mpg in my Trailblazer around town, But I like it. Can one of these Hybrids tow my show car and trailer? Heck even the cooler and all of the stuff that I take with me to a car show. What about towing a camper and all of the camping supplies? How much grocieries can you load in one of those hybrids, You know like when my wife spends $200 at Krogers and another $200 at Wal Mart? How comfortable on long trips? I am going to be doing my 5th 6+ hour trip outside of car shows for the year. I mean I know I am only averaging 18/19 mpg in my Trailblazer around town, But I like it.

]]> By: Taylor http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206848 Taylor Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:55:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206848 Why oh why will none of you hybrid people look at the big picture. Yes, I agree, you WILL see signifact initial savings in fuel costs. However, we've covered the fact that it WILL take you upwards of 100,000 miles to recoup those initial purchase costs. Now, you say it's financially responsible to purchase a hybrid. But let's be realistic here. There's not many people out there who own the same vehicle for 100,000 miles. It get's traded, breaks down, get's totaled. Whatever. Even if you DO trade it in, the next person to purchase that vehicle will have to drive it for another 100,000 to make up the cost difference over a standard gas engine. PLUS, let's not forget the reliability factor. Now, i'm not saying that hybrids aren't reliable, but like ANY new product, they have nothing to base their vehicle's life on. ESPECIALLY with new technology, I for one would be a little wary. Why oh why will none of you hybrid people look at the big picture. Yes, I agree, you WILL see signifact initial savings in fuel costs. However, we’ve covered the fact that it WILL take you upwards of 100,000 miles to recoup those initial purchase costs. Now, you say it’s financially responsible to purchase a hybrid. But let’s be realistic here. There’s not many people out there who own the same vehicle for 100,000 miles. It get’s traded, breaks down, get’s totaled. Whatever. Even if you DO trade it in, the next person to purchase that vehicle will have to drive it for another 100,000 to make up the cost difference over a standard gas engine. PLUS, let’s not forget the reliability factor. Now, i’m not saying that hybrids aren’t reliable, but like ANY new product, they have nothing to base their vehicle’s life on. ESPECIALLY with new technology, I for one would be a little wary.

]]> By: Ihatemorons http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206838 Ihatemorons Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:27:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206838 Most of you morons seem to thing that GM is the only one that sells SUV's and Trucks. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc all sell and market gas guzzling SUV's that get worse gas mileage than GM's, yet no ones says shit about that. You do realize that GM has over 30 vehicles that get 30mpg or more. But I'm guessing you morons are to busy drinking Japan Inc's Koolaid to see that. BTW: Hybrids sales are down. Most of you morons seem to thing that GM is the only one that sells SUV’s and Trucks. Nissan, Toyota, Honda, etc all sell and market gas guzzling SUV’s that get worse gas mileage than GM’s, yet no ones says **** about that. You do realize that GM has over 30 vehicles that get 30mpg or more. But I’m guessing you morons are to busy drinking Japan Inc’s Koolaid to see that.

BTW: Hybrids sales are down.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206787 Anonymous Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:36:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206787 No, Toyota needed to rethink their pricing strategy. The more batteries that are available, the more supply of hybrids, the lower the cost. Most are still a hot commodity for the people who think saving a few gallons is worth the extra cost even if some of you think it's not worth it. No, Toyota needed to rethink their pricing strategy. The more batteries that are available, the more supply of hybrids, the lower the cost. Most are still a hot commodity for the people who think saving a few gallons is worth the extra cost even if some of you think it’s not worth it.

]]> By: Kickin http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206785 Kickin Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:32:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206785 I found the ones that DO like GM are ignorant I found the ones that DO like GM are ignorant

]]> By: Mark H. http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206770 Mark H. Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:51:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206770 Mr.Lutz is absolutely right. Hybrids are a commercial bubble. The real life gas savings are( compared to higher sticker price)almost non-existant. From the enviromental standpoint the used batteries will be a huge problem, that is why anybody that is in this hype do not even mention it. Mr.Lutz is absolutely right. Hybrids are a commercial bubble. The real life gas savings are( compared to higher sticker price)almost non-existant. From the enviromental standpoint the used batteries will be a huge problem, that is why anybody that is in this hype do not even mention it.

]]> By: Dustin http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206768 Dustin Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:45:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206768 i sure have noticed that the majority of people that5 dont like gm r the ones that r clueless i sure have noticed that the majority of people that5 dont like gm r the ones that r clueless

]]> By: I'mGOD http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206763 I'mGOD Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:35:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206763 The majority of you posters are clueless. The majority of you posters are clueless.

]]> By: leftnut missing http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-2#comment-206726 leftnut missing Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:27:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206726 So yeah, www.nasioc.com was here So yeah, http://www.nasioc.com was here

]]> By: rightwingprof http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206660 rightwingprof Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:34:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206660 Sniffing your own farts, I see. Morons. Sniffing your own farts, I see.

Morons.

]]> By: chris2 http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206654 chris2 Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:07:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206654 Lutz may want to rethink the hybrid strategy now. Toyota and Honda are now putting incentives on their Prius and Accord Hybrids. They seem to have a very limited supply but yet need incentives? GM has more cars that get better than 30mpg than anyone else. Their new trucks are more efficient than anyone else. There is a new Aveo coming. Lutz may want to rethink the hybrid strategy now. Toyota and Honda are now putting incentives on their Prius and Accord Hybrids. They seem to have a very limited supply but yet need incentives?

GM has more cars that get better than 30mpg than anyone else. Their new trucks are more efficient than anyone else. There is a new Aveo coming.

]]> By: Paul D. http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206653 Paul D. Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:05:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206653 "Hybrids are technologically of doubtful benefit, and expensive, but necessary from a political and public relations point of view," Doubtful benefits lke 50 - 60 mpg on cars like the Prius, HCH, and Insight. The next Prius promising 94mpg. Add in cleaner emissions and the benefits go beyond economics. People who want to conserve a few gallons every time they fill up find these benefits more important than the money in their pocket. These people are customers, give em what they want. "The right brain is it's the popular thing to do, many people believe that if we all drove hybrids the world would suddenly get cooler again and then it's the patriotic thing to do because if you drive a hybrid you will no longer be funding the Arab terrorists, and so forth." Again, even if you don't believe in these benefits, these people are customers, give em what they want. It is not economically feasible to buy a 6 ton Suburban for some trophy wife to drive back and forth to the hair salon. It's also not economically feasible to purchase a GM product that you will take a bath on in resale. But people do “Hybrids are technologically of doubtful benefit, and expensive, but necessary from a political and public relations point of view,”

Doubtful benefits lke 50 – 60 mpg on cars like the Prius, HCH, and Insight. The next Prius promising 94mpg. Add in cleaner emissions and the benefits go beyond economics. People who want to conserve a few gallons every time they fill up find these benefits more important than the money in their pocket. These people are customers, give em what they want.

“The right brain is it’s the popular thing to do, many people believe that if we all drove hybrids the world would suddenly get cooler again and then it’s the patriotic thing to do because if you drive a hybrid you will no longer be funding the Arab terrorists, and so forth.”

Again, even if you don’t believe in these benefits, these people are customers, give em what they want.

It is not economically feasible to buy a 6 ton Suburban for some trophy wife to drive back and forth to the hair salon. It’s also not economically feasible to purchase a GM product that you will take a bath on in resale. But people do

]]> By: Bryan Detty http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206611 Bryan Detty Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:29:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206611 I want to know how he is being do Arrogant. Where does Bob Lutz say that he wants to be fuel effeicient? All I see him saying is that the only reason GM should do it is for Imiage purposes. Toyota builds SUV's and Trucks that get the same or worse MPG as GM. But since Toyota makes the Prius they are such a fuel efficient company. The Aveo could get 50 MPG but the gearing ratio is set up to be able to move. You know for real world driving. Not the simulated driving that Toyota and Honda uses to get great gas milage. The only ones that sound arrogant are the ones that are trying to bash Lutz, you just can't see it through the cloud of Smug. LOL @ South Park I want to know how he is being do Arrogant. Where does Bob Lutz say that he wants to be fuel effeicient? All I see him saying is that the only reason GM should do it is for Imiage purposes. Toyota builds SUV’s and Trucks that get the same or worse MPG as GM. But since Toyota makes the Prius they are such a fuel efficient company. The Aveo could get 50 MPG but the gearing ratio is set up to be able to move. You know for real world driving. Not the simulated driving that Toyota and Honda uses to get great gas milage. The only ones that sound arrogant are the ones that are trying to bash Lutz, you just can’t see it through the cloud of Smug. LOL @ South Park

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206544 Anonymous Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:12:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206544 Sarcasm off Sarcasm off

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206543 Anonymous Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:11:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206543 ^ ^

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206542 Anonymous Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:10:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206542 Good Bob, don't build Hybrids. Keep crankin out those Hummers since the buying public is a bunch of moronic tree huggers anyways. And that war in the middle east, rising gas prices is all just a passing fad. Gas will be down to 99 cents a gallon by September, just you wait everyone. GM is the smart one here. Good Bob, don’t build Hybrids. Keep crankin out those Hummers since the buying public is a bunch of moronic tree huggers anyways. And that war in the middle east, rising gas prices is all just a passing fad.

Gas will be down to 99 cents a gallon by September, just you wait everyone. GM is the smart one here.

]]> By: Paul D. http://www.leftlanenews.com/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press.html/comment-page-1#comment-206539 Paul D. Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:01:59 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/07/21/lutz-gm-building-hybrids-for-good-press/#comment-206539 This article REAKS of arrogance on Bob Lutz's part. I take back everything I ever said about Bob. He fits PERFECTLY with GM... Welcome to GM's revival of "That Arrogant 70's show" when GM thought they were unstoppable and would be unaffected by the influx of japanese imports offering more economical transportation at the time. Look how great things turned out since then huh? This article REAKS of arrogance on Bob Lutz’s part. I take back everything I ever said about Bob.

He fits PERFECTLY with GM…

Welcome to GM’s revival of “That Arrogant 70’s show” when GM thought they were unstoppable and would be unaffected by the influx of japanese imports offering more economical transportation at the time.

Look how great things turned out since then huh?

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