Comments on: Mass market hydrogen vehicle from Honda in three years http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: JohnnyBlazE http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-47383 JohnnyBlazE Mon, 22 May 2006 11:50:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-47383 Water as fuel anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzJZJjo9MNA&search=water%20as%20fuel Water as fuel anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzJZJjo9MNA&search=water%20as%20fuel

]]> By: joeb http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-46925 joeb Mon, 22 May 2006 04:02:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-46925 Ethanol is a dirty band aid. Hydrogen is a cure. E85 is only good for politicians and GM. Hyrogen is the answer for the rest of us... Until H2 gets here we should be squeezing OPEC (and lower prices by doing so) with conservation and clean diesel vehicle technology that already exists...everywhere in the world but the US. Ethanol is a dirty band aid. Hydrogen is a cure. E85 is only good for politicians and GM. Hyrogen is the answer for the rest of us…

Until H2 gets here we should be squeezing OPEC (and lower prices by doing so) with conservation and clean diesel vehicle technology that already exists…everywhere in the world but the US.

]]> By: Dave http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-46094 Dave Sun, 21 May 2006 18:13:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-46094 I think people are missing the point. Healthy development work and competition between technologies (Ethanol, Hydrogen, Hybrid) all stands to reduce our dependancies on Saudi crude for automobiles. It will also dovetail into side initiatives and technologies that can benefit us on numerous fronts. I think people are missing the point. Healthy development work and competition between technologies (Ethanol, Hydrogen, Hybrid) all stands to reduce our dependancies on Saudi crude for automobiles. It will also dovetail into side initiatives and technologies that can benefit us on numerous fronts.

]]> By: Hymiö http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-43449 Hymiö Sat, 20 May 2006 20:05:51 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-43449 well i think hydrogen suits well, don't forget stations are well ventilated places and fumes raise sraight up, not so with gas you can be rounded with fumes nowadays when filling up, thinking only industrial and car inside needs that high security level most people talking about. well i think hydrogen suits well, don’t forget stations are well ventilated places and fumes raise sraight up, not so with gas you can be rounded with fumes nowadays when filling up, thinking only industrial and car inside needs that high security level most people talking about.

]]> By: Thing2 http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-43009 Thing2 Sat, 20 May 2006 17:18:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-43009 Ethanol also takes more energy to produce than it yields and the supply is reliant on the yield of the harvest. Not to mention it would take the area of 3 times the entire US to grow enough corn to fuel our own cars. Why do they always try to make corn into various things? They inject our livestock with hormones so they can eat corn, because they can't naturally digest it. They make it as a sweetner in the form as high-fructose corn syrup, replacing sugar, but the syrup makes us an obese nation as it boosts appetites for the sweets they're in by releasing doppamines like drugs do, and they slow down the connection to our brain telling us we're full. Other countries don't use the corn syrup, they stick to sugar, but we subsidize our corn farmers and feel obligated to squeeze corn into every part of our daily lives. Ever wonder why soda outside the US taste different (better to some, like me)? Its because its only sugar. Sorry for veering off, but this whole ethanol thing is propaganda to fuel (no pun intended) the corn farmer's business. Why is this happening? The first couple of primaries for presidential candidates are crucial. Iowa, in the heart of corn farming central, is one of the first primaries, and to win that primarie all the canidates have to please the corn farming lobbiest, which is a fraction of the US population. To comments about Hydrogen blowing up like the hindenburg, the flames were orange, it was not fueled by hydrogen as hydrogen burning is colorless. The Hindenburg fire was from its engine room which was not running on hydrogen. If the Hydrogen market will ever take off, the cars offering such techology need to also run on the current infrastructure, so it will be PRACTICAL to buy such a car. I'm all for the conversion, but its got to be taken in steps. So far, ford and Mazda have engines that run on gas and hydrogen. Ethanol also takes more energy to produce than it yields and the supply is reliant on the yield of the harvest. Not to mention it would take the area of 3 times the entire US to grow enough corn to fuel our own cars. Why do they always try to make corn into various things? They inject our livestock with hormones so they can eat corn, because they can’t naturally digest it. They make it as a sweetner in the form as high-fructose corn syrup, replacing sugar, but the syrup makes us an obese nation as it boosts appetites for the sweets they’re in by releasing doppamines like drugs do, and they slow down the connection to our brain telling us we’re full. Other countries don’t use the corn syrup, they stick to sugar, but we subsidize our corn farmers and feel obligated to squeeze corn into every part of our daily lives. Ever wonder why soda outside the US taste different (better to some, like me)? Its because its only sugar. Sorry for veering off, but this whole ethanol thing is propaganda to fuel (no pun intended) the corn farmer’s business. Why is this happening? The first couple of primaries for presidential candidates are crucial. Iowa, in the heart of corn farming central, is one of the first primaries, and to win that primarie all the canidates have to please the corn farming lobbiest, which is a fraction of the US population.

To comments about Hydrogen blowing up like the hindenburg, the flames were orange, it was not fueled by hydrogen as hydrogen burning is colorless. The Hindenburg fire was from its engine room which was not running on hydrogen.

If the Hydrogen market will ever take off, the cars offering such techology need to also run on the current infrastructure, so it will be PRACTICAL to buy such a car. I’m all for the conversion, but its got to be taken in steps. So far, ford and Mazda have engines that run on gas and hydrogen.

]]> By: Hymiö http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-42929 Hymiö Sat, 20 May 2006 16:05:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-42929 I guess you will eventually fill water and turn it to hydrogen with electric, solving that boom boom fear... I guess you will eventually fill water and turn it to hydrogen with electric, solving that boom boom fear…

]]> By: Saud http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-42927 Saud Sat, 20 May 2006 16:05:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-42927 Seriously good mpg. Seriously good mpg.

]]> By: Aes http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-41293 Aes Sat, 20 May 2006 00:35:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-41293 There was a recent study that strongly suggested hydrogen vehicle crashes are actually inherently SAFER than gasoline ones. Ethanol production of any form is an energy-intensive - and wasteful - process. And it still produces carbon dioxide, the majority of which is NOT - I repeat - NOT reabsorbed by plants. It's absorbed by the ocean. Also - hydrogen can be biologically produced through genetic modification of algae. Renewable biofuel if there ever was one. With regards to platinum costs- agreed. That's a challenge even in the catalytic converter market. Sodium borohydride and/or metal hydride fuel cells could solve this problem. Ovonic has been working on the latter for quite some time. There was a recent study that strongly suggested hydrogen vehicle crashes are actually inherently SAFER than gasoline ones.

Ethanol production of any form is an energy-intensive – and wasteful – process. And it still produces carbon dioxide, the majority of which is NOT – I repeat – NOT reabsorbed by plants. It’s absorbed by the ocean.

Also – hydrogen can be biologically produced through genetic modification of algae. Renewable biofuel if there ever was one.

With regards to platinum costs- agreed. That’s a challenge even in the catalytic converter market. Sodium borohydride and/or metal hydride fuel cells could solve this problem. Ovonic has been working on the latter for quite some time.

]]> By: John http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-41286 John Sat, 20 May 2006 00:30:59 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-41286 TO END THE EXPLOSION QUESTION: It has nothing to do with what you are exploding but how much energy you are exploding. Granted the hydrogen actually does burn faster than petrol but its not noticeable from a "human" perspective. If you are going to release 1 million btus of energy (8 gallons of gas, roughly) in less than a second, its going to be a huge explosion. Doesn't matter if its hydrogen, gasoline, TNT, or nitroglyceride. It goes boom. I say GO HONDA! SCREW OPEC! We can deal with the infrastructure problem. A short term solution would be to build shift reactors (google it). Inexpensive and can be run on domestic coal. Even if it produces CO2, its less CO2 (due to scrubbing technologies) and, most importantly, NO MORE FOREIGN OIL! Wouldn't it be great to actually tell the world to go screw itself because we don't need its oil? TO END THE EXPLOSION QUESTION:

It has nothing to do with what you are exploding but how much energy you are exploding. Granted the hydrogen actually does burn faster than petrol but its not noticeable from a “human” perspective. If you are going to release 1 million btus of energy (8 gallons of gas, roughly) in less than a second, its going to be a huge explosion. Doesn’t matter if its hydrogen, gasoline, TNT, or nitroglyceride. It goes boom.

I say GO HONDA! SCREW OPEC!

We can deal with the infrastructure problem. A short term solution would be to build shift reactors (google it). Inexpensive and can be run on domestic coal. Even if it produces CO2, its less CO2 (due to scrubbing technologies) and, most importantly, NO MORE FOREIGN OIL!

Wouldn’t it be great to actually tell the world to go screw itself because we don’t need its oil?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-41226 Anonymous Fri, 19 May 2006 23:43:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-41226 My current car runs on hydrogen. A lot of hydrogen linked together with some carbon... My current car runs on hydrogen.
A lot of hydrogen linked together with some carbon…

]]> By: BAMF http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-41191 BAMF Fri, 19 May 2006 23:17:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-41191 Yeah hydrogen sure does explode. Are we forgetting that gasoline does too? Yeah hydrogen sure does explode. Are we forgetting that gasoline does too?

]]> By: Tristan http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-41173 Tristan Fri, 19 May 2006 23:05:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-41173 Ethonal is not the way, Fossil fuel is not the way, Period. Technology already exists to see this Hydrogen Economy be made a possibility, with Certain types of Nuclear Reactors, they can be made to make Hydrogen or Heavy Water (Deuterium) as a by product to be used in vehicles. Kudos for Honda for being the first to take the plunge, I hope Canada and North America focus on this problem before we lose a chance to be part of the major changing. Ethonal is not the way, Fossil fuel is not the way, Period. Technology already exists to see this Hydrogen Economy be made a possibility, with Certain types of Nuclear Reactors, they can be made to make Hydrogen or Heavy Water (Deuterium) as a by product to be used in vehicles. Kudos for Honda for being the first to take the plunge, I hope Canada and North America focus on this problem before we lose a chance to be part of the major changing.

]]> By: tommy boy http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-41056 tommy boy Fri, 19 May 2006 21:52:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-41056 I've read that fuel cells are not the way of the future as they use platinum, which would make mass produced fuel cells unworkable because of the short supply of the precious metal. Ethanol is the way - could possibly be 70 cents a gallon if production was scaled up in the US, with mileage not quite as good as gas but who cares for 70 cents a gallon. Good to see innovation all around, but my money is on e85. I’ve read that fuel cells are not the way of the future as they use platinum, which would make mass produced fuel cells unworkable because of the short supply of the precious metal. Ethanol is the way – could possibly be 70 cents a gallon if production was scaled up in the US, with mileage not quite as good as gas but who cares for 70 cents a gallon. Good to see innovation all around, but my money is on e85.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40960 Ryan Fri, 19 May 2006 21:32:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40960 Ford should just whip up a hydrogen car right now and call it a Pinto Ford should just whip up a hydrogen car right now and call it a Pinto

]]> By: mookie http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40921 mookie Fri, 19 May 2006 21:22:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40921 Honda has already leased the FCX to the first private consumer, let alone many municipalities. Hyrdrogen production is not a problem if your using nuclear power to create it. Driving a bomb? You already are. Infrastructure... still a problem. Honda has already leased the FCX to the first private consumer, let alone many municipalities.
Hyrdrogen production is not a problem if your using nuclear power to create it.
Driving a bomb? You already are.
Infrastructure… still a problem.

]]> By: VDub http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40675 VDub Fri, 19 May 2006 19:32:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40675 Ever see what happend to the Hindenberg? that was a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. hahaha Ever see what happend to the Hindenberg? that was a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. hahaha

]]> By: manny http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40670 manny Fri, 19 May 2006 19:30:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40670 i seriously doubt the first hydrogen cars will be afforable... and i still wanna know what happens when tank go boom... i seriously doubt the first hydrogen cars will be afforable… and i still wanna know what happens when tank go boom…

]]> By: VDub http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40664 VDub Fri, 19 May 2006 19:24:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40664 where are they gonna fill up? where are they gonna fill up?

]]> By: Mike http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40663 Mike Fri, 19 May 2006 19:23:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40663 #8: no need to preach to me about the benefit of nuclear technology....I am on your side there... #8: no need to preach to me about the benefit of nuclear technology….I am on your side there…

]]> By: que http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40655 que Fri, 19 May 2006 19:18:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40655 Hey 7, you are correct. But if we use safe nuclear energy to create the hydrogen, we won't need to burn oil. Ain't that worth something? Hey 7, you are correct. But if we use safe nuclear energy to create the hydrogen, we won’t need to burn oil. Ain’t that worth something?

]]> By: Mike http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40647 Mike Fri, 19 May 2006 19:10:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40647 still takes more energy to create the hydrogen than is saved by the operation of the vehicle. Still not worth it. Otherwise, I agree with pretty much all the comments above... we have a number of options, people are just too closed-minded to look at them. still takes more energy to create the hydrogen than is saved by the operation of the vehicle. Still not worth it.

Otherwise, I agree with pretty much all the comments above… we have a number of options, people are just too closed-minded to look at them.

]]> By: Adam http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40637 Adam Fri, 19 May 2006 18:56:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40637 Liquid hydrogen would be so much better once all the (large) loose ends are tied up. Liquid hydrogen would be so much better once all the (large) loose ends are tied up.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40619 Anonymous Fri, 19 May 2006 18:27:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40619 Can't wait for the "If it's not hybrid it's crap" crowd :-) "Too bad the US is...irrationally afraid of nuclear power" Agreed. Can’t wait for the “If it’s not hybrid it’s crap” crowd :-)

“Too bad the US is…irrationally afraid of nuclear power”
Agreed.

]]> By: bill http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40616 bill Fri, 19 May 2006 18:26:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40616 Waste ethanol for the win. Kill two birds with one money saving, oil addiction ending, stone. Waste ethanol for the win. Kill two birds with one money saving, oil addiction ending, stone.

]]> By: Ahk-Med http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40604 Ahk-Med Fri, 19 May 2006 18:24:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40604 Nuclear powered electrolysis and hydrogen powered vehicles should be the way of the future. Too bad the US is stuck on subsidized corn ethanol and irrationally afraid of nuclear power. Nuclear powered electrolysis and hydrogen powered vehicles should be the way of the future. Too bad the US is stuck on subsidized corn ethanol and irrationally afraid of nuclear power.

]]> By: Greg http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40575 Greg Fri, 19 May 2006 18:19:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40575 That pic is of the wrong car, its the "Honda FCX" concept from the Toyko Show last year which they are talking about. That pic is of the wrong car, its the “Honda FCX” concept from the Toyko Show last year which they are talking about.

]]> By: aj http://www.leftlanenews.com/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years.html#comment-40544 aj Fri, 19 May 2006 18:09:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/19/mass-market-hydrogen-vehicle-from-honda-in-three-years/#comment-40544 That's a sweet looking auto - I'd buy one. That’s a sweet looking auto – I’d buy one.

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