DaimlerChrysler is working on a new line of V6 engines for use in its Chrysler group and Mercedes-Benz vehicles. Known internally as Phoenix, the project will see engines built at three U.S. plants and one Germany facility, according to Automotive News. The program will reduce DaimlerChrysler’s V-6 engines “to one family instead of five,” DaimlerChrysler CEO Dieter Zetsche said in a recent interview. A UAW source told the trade publication the first Phoenix engines will arrive on 2010 models. The engines will be used in everything from front-wheel drive Chrysler minivans, to the Dodge Magnum, to the Mercedes C-, E-, and S-Class.
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07/24, 10:41 AM
posted by:
tino
um ok….
07/24, 10:46 AM
posted by:
stuart
Spot on, brilliant idea. Just don’t think about doing the same to the V8, V10 and V12.
07/24, 10:48 AM
posted by:
Kinno
Ummm…yeah.
Remind me never to even consider buying a V6 Benz starting in 2010.
As #2 said, do that with the V8s, etc and count me out on any future SL500s or any other larger displacement Benz’s.
07/24, 10:49 AM
posted by:
Piablo
Holy ****. It’s the end of Mercedes as we know it. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Mercedes will be using engines built by Chrysler union workers in the US!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! We’ll see how long this lasts…..
07/24, 11:18 AM
posted by:
Jimbo - G Mill$
“The engines will be used in everything from…”
Note : engine(s)
Do you really think Daimler would ruin their marketing scheme by interchanging engines with dif brands?
Its just a new hierarchy.
viva la mike.
07/24, 11:21 AM
posted by:
Renton
It is just the way to do business these days. The whole company will benefit. The motors for the Benzes will surely be tuned and assembled at different tolerances.
07/24, 11:24 AM
posted by:
Mike
A+ for Renton and Jimbo.
everyone else fails, and must return to the 2nd grade.
07/24, 11:38 AM
posted by:
Dave
Dare I point out to the America-haters that:
1) Chrysler has higher reliability than Mercedes across the board
2) Chrysler makes the most efficient high-performance V8, the Hemi
3) Chrysler INVENTED electronic ignition and on-board computers
4) Until Neon head gaskets reared their ugly heads – and were fixed – Chrysler was known for solid engine design
The big news here is that Mercedes is going to be forced to use more reliable gas engines, and Chrysler will finally be able to move beyond their current V6 family, which though quite old is still holding up fairly well. Do people forget that the 3.3 and 3.8 V6 predate even the Dodge Intrepid? These are motors engineered in the late 1980s and released in the early 1990s… and I’ve never heard a complaint about the reliability of any of them except some 2.7 applications, and even those issues were echoed by Toyota and others. Overall, Chrylser V6 engines have held up quite well.
07/24, 11:52 AM
posted by:
Chris C.
Reliabity and quality aside; this only further waters down the MB brand. No doubt it’ll be a great motor, however if I’m paying that kinda money for a car, I want exclusivity! Much the reason why the 300 will never be taken seriously as a luxury car. The $40k version looks just about like a $23k model… If you’re gonna pay $60k plus for a car, you want it to be completely unique from any lesser vehicles.
07/24, 11:57 AM
posted by:
Mike
Chris, please re-read posts #5, #6, and #7
then provide a 200 word essay on the topic of ‘reading comprehension’.
Thank you.
07/24, 12:01 PM
posted by:
Kinno
And so #10 hits it right on the button.
There is only so much of a premium most people are willing to pay for a high-end version of a ubiquitous product.
It doesn’t matter how good something is, if there’s a significantly cheaper version of “more or less” the same thing, very few people are willing to pay the premium.
About the maximum you can really push it I believe is…say, the difference in price between the Honda Accord and the Acura 3.2 TL. Assuming that the Accord matches up nicely with similarly priced Chrysler V6s… the premium between an Accord and a TL and a Chrysler and a Benz are ummm…not exactly close.
07/24, 12:40 PM
posted by:
stuart
If this makes such a difference then why don’t people buy a BMW 760 over a Rolls royce (Same engine different configuration) or A MERCEDES S600 over a Maybach (Again same engine different configuration).
All jaguar engines are base on ford engines and Audi and Volkswagen have identical engine yet it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference.
Only difference here is that Chrysler is an AMERICAN company which by everyones thinking should make it crap company with crap products. Ford and GM quite rightly deserve this tag but Chrysler cars are quite refreshing and far more superior then anything GM or Ford have, almost as good as the Japanese even.
07/24, 1:04 PM
posted by:
1c3d0g
Excellent news. This should be more cost-efficient for everyone involved.
07/24, 1:09 PM
posted by:
Jimbo - G Mill$
lol mike. It seems a couple kids haven’t done their homework =/
Amen stuart.
07/24, 1:17 PM
posted by:
Reno
I don’t think it would be a bad idea at all. Me, being an American, I would love to see a the American half of the family benefit from the technology that the Germans have to offer. Instead of people having there arrogant views of their beloved Mercedes Benz, falling from the prestige(and expensive) label that it is known for, I think people should anticipate the higher level of quality that this could probably mean for Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep at a cheaper price. That my friends, could mean more sells for the American product, which inturn can help this economy slouch that the U.S. govenrment has us stuck in.
07/24, 1:40 PM
posted by:
Michael Spadaro
Why not just give Chrysler and Dodge the new DOHC V6s that Benz recently developed? I think that would make more sense.
07/24, 2:29 PM
posted by:
Mike
Reno… the Phoenix project is a Chrysler based product. This is just an announcement that MB will include some engineers on the team to use the architecture for future MB engines.
“benefit from the technology that the Germans have to offer”
this is MB piggybacking on the development work of Chrysler…
07/24, 4:16 PM
posted by:
mike
I second Mike. Just because the share basic architecture, that doesn’t mean they will be the same engine. Look at Nissan for example. The 3.5L v6 is in almost all of their cars and it makes different horsepower and torque numbers in all of them due to a different ECU, exhaust, intake, fuel system etc. So just because the Chrysler version is thrown in a Cobalt at 215Hp for example, doesn’t mean the CLK isn’t going to have 265 Hp.
07/24, 4:18 PM
posted by:
1c3d0g
And #1, don’t you have anything positive to say? No wonder you’re from the same state as John Kerry… :-/
07/24, 5:48 PM
posted by:
2006300C
My family has a Lexus, a Volvo and an Infiniti and I can assure you that the 300C is a luxury car. The refined steering, acceleration, braking, interior and sense of solidity are all present and accounted for. And it looks like a luxury car should look like, big, imposing; yet elegant and cool. There are many negative things to be said about the U.S. industry but you can’t win this fight.
Oh, and P.S., Benz is Benz, they created the automobile and no one can ever take their place, not even our fake Benz aka Lexus.
07/24, 5:58 PM
posted by:
mike
oops, I said Cobalt when I meant Caliber…
07/25, 10:27 AM
posted by:
GM number1-4ever
And these engines will still never be as refined, powerful or as reliable as my GM motors. Pretty much sums up all the makes out there doesn’t it?
07/26, 10:58 AM
posted by:
Dustin
i agree with u GM number1-4ever. A lot of people talk trash but i know that GM makes better motors and overall cars than anyone. although toyota does make reliable cars, so does GM. ive ridden in chryslers and mercedes, my grandfather has both. and they are always having problems, and i know for sure that mercedes benz is far far overpriced. He obviously just bought it for the little plastic badge with 3 points.