And ugly jap Nissan will whoop it’s ass for third of the coin

A third? Probably more like 1/6 or 1/7 the cost.

A third? more like 1/20th, these will be selling for way over a Mil. I would rather have a WRC car for $350,000.00. Cooloer, faster, nearly indestructable. Screw cars that are 2 expensive (and delicate)to abuse.

Merecedes Benz refuses to let this car die.
It’s over and it was a flop; take deep breath, accept it and give it the axe.

They need to convert it to an drag racer which is what it is.

The car always looked like a penis from the side. no need to wonder if the owner is making up for something. you can’t create a larger metaphore than that.

meanpants555: you’re right. they really do refuse. in fact, they try their very hardest to keep it alive on its last breath. the 722 was supposed to be the limited, special, expensive edition that people bought to ‘differentiate’ their slr’s from the ’standard’ ones. now whats the point of THAT if you’re going to have a 722 gt? retarded. it should just be regular slr and 722 gt, or regular slr and 722. not BOTH 722 and 722gt, because at this price point, a middle level ‘trim’ if you will is totally redundant and stupid, because those same buyers of the 722 would have most likely rather have just ponied up the extra $ for the 722 gt had they known about its future existence

i dunno… the 722 GT makes some sense, until you consider that it’s still an SLR.

I mean, at 660 llbs less than the 722 it’s probably going to have zero luxury equipment. But it seems to me the whole point of the SLR was that it was a luxury hypercar–a car that could (sort of) hold its own with Carrera GTs and Enzos while still being reasonably comfortable and allowing for the owner to carry his or her golf clubs in the trunk.

It’s going to be the uncompromising version of a very compromising supercar.

“Spied”? The giant red and black ‘722 GT’ decals weren’t enough of a giveaway? Great detective work. Mercedes has lost it’s way. Chrysler was wise to cut them loose.

It seems like MB isn’t sure what they want to make the SLR out to be. It’s trying to be too many things through too many iterations.

loving the comedy guys, but you’re going to make me lose my job b/c I’m laughing my ass off while I should be working.

If this was a real sports car, it would be raced in SOME sort of class… I mean c’mON.

I love how they describe a car with a splitter, widebody kit, plexiglass windows and a wing bigger than a 747 a ROADGOING car…

This car is a bit of old news, saw this at another site weeks ago, albeit not on the track.

http://www.supercars.net/cars/3922.html

7:38?

7:38? roflburger, wake me up when this thing does 7:00 flat.

I don’t think the SLRs were a flop at all. You don’t see them because they’re half a million dollar machines. Most are spoken for. Last time I checked the 722 was sold out even before it came out. It’s like the Murcielago Reventon. These guys aren’t dummies. They’ve paid themselves already the rest is all profit- hence the extra cash to develop an SLR Roadster.

LMAO what Nissan are you comparing this to??

True, the numbers don’t lie - that Nissan, much like Piablo’s mom, is both ugly AND a screamer…

660lbs??!! wow thats pretty good

Well the car is kind of neat, i wouldn’t mind one on my side of the shop. only if i won one or something im not spending that much for a car.

Just doing what Porsche has been doing and getting away with for years.

Holy ****ing rear wing. That looks as hideous as your mom.

The McLaren SLR amounts to a Front mid engine, formula car. While I’m not familiar with the cars actual perfromance, This car looks to kill.

BTW, it looks like a Batmobile in black, way over the top but really cool.

damn 660lbs is a helluva lot…makes you think why they didnt drop even half the weight from the get go

Its ridiculous, first the SLR coupe which was a failure, then the SLR 722 to try and save the original, then the SLR roadster, and now the SLR 722 GT? There are four SLR models!

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And ugly jap Nissan will whoop it’s ass for third of the coin
-Comment by autonut, posted on October19 at 2:59 pm

LMAO what Nissan are you comparing this to??
-Comment by Commodore, posted on October19 at 6:22 pm
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Ummm…how about this Nissan, numbnuts…?
http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r/

7:35 around the Nordschleife, and rumor has it they may try to top the Carrera GT. Someone’s going to reply and say that it’s not a big feat to top the GT in this day and age, but it sure is for ~$80k!

Why are they dropping the weight in this car? Why not have the standard 722 be like this instead of having eighteen billion different versions?

jonmiles: You’re clearly just more informed, and superior to the rest of us, intellectually and otherwise. Wait, who the **** are you again?

they should make a GT- Grand Tourer version with soften suspension and just let the rappers and celebs drive this thing. Its really what its made for, a show off machine rather than a track car. Admit that

Although i do love the SLR. its one of my favorite cars

55amg….they probally have to put the car into production to comply with GT rules in where they actually have to produce a car for the public to compete. i think thats still the rules with the GT class. Mercedes did it with the CLK GTR with only producing 20 units( i think)..the Viper is in that class too.

The SLR was a sales “failure” because it came along at a time when the mega rich didn’t want to spend a half million for a sports car. The cost also kept it out of most racing teams.

The SLR is one of the finest cars ever made. The GT version, GT meaning Gran Turismo (not the game but an actual type of racing and car) refers to endurance racing like the 24-hours of Lemans.

It would seem Mercedes-Benz is looking forward to a new stab at the gold ring again. Unfortunately, I do not see the GT-R qualifying for that race. Plus a densely packed turbo-boosted engine bay does not make for a good endurance racer. Unless Nissan opts to use liquid nitrogen for coolant.

Also complaining about the myriad versions of the SLR sounds a bit hypocritical. The 911 has about a dozen versions on sale now. Multiple versions to fit multiple types of people. If the company can put out that many types and make money on it, why not?

G - the SLR 722 GT will both look better, go faster, and be more sought after than a freaking Nissan, lol! That’s like comparing this to the Corvette - different price ranges kiddos. If you guys are bargain hunters, then you should not be looking at a Benz. Go buy yourselfs a Lotus.

Blakkarr, dose GT really mean Grand Turismo, for the longest time i thought for sure it was Grand Touring here i will check this up……

It is Grand Touring i just check it on google, i put in grand turismo and it just came up with the game but when i put in grand touring it came up with all the cars that have the GT logo on it.

They mean the same thing in translation. but they mean different things in context to automobiles.

Gran Turismo is racing and is generally meant to expound endurance racing and a car that is fast, agile and enduring as to be able to complete and win a long race. Not every car with GT in the name fits this, look at all the cars on the market that have “GT” attached to their names. Very very of them actually deserve it. It is just a trim level.

Grand Touring is usually seen as sporty but comfortable but not all together a fast car. In this the “GT” attached to most cars is acceptable. But this still only serves to dilute the meaning of the those two letters in the Auto world.

Sony/Polyphony uses “Gran Turismo” for the name of their game but those words have real meaning in the car world. In America we will use “Grand Touring” but it does not have the same meaning as “Gran Turismo”, which at much higher on the automotive food chain. It’s weird, but true. In this case, the language you use determines the meaning and level of importance.

Oh! Thank You for clearing that up for me. I stand corrected.

Hey who saw the last F1 race of the season in brazil, That was a good race. Kimi Raikkonen won the world champion over Lewis Hamilton by one point 110, but get this the only way Kimi could win champion is if he came in first and Hamilton came in 7 or worst and Hamilton came in 7 place.

Congrads to Kimi For his champion win.

Ahhhh BS! I completely missed the race, it slipped my mind b/c my weekend was so busy!

Hopefully I can catch a rerun.

Way to go Kimi! What a brilliant comeback that was! I’m really happy with that result… of all 4 drivers that had cars actually able to win the championship, he’s my favorite driver…though I didn’t used to like him.

And also, after McLaren got caught stealing secrets from Ferrari this year, I’m really happy they didn’t win the championship. Cheaters deserve nothing.

Yeah I’m really disappointed as well.

I’m actually going to go ahead and suggest that Grand Touring/Grand Tourer and Gran Turismo do mean effectively the same thing.

The cars that compete in GT races are pretty much always derived from road cars, as opposed to formula or prototype cars which have little if anything in common with any road-going cars. Although it is a given that, as they are race cars, they may share very little in common with the cars on which they are based.

One of these reasons these cars are designed to compete in longer endurance races is because their road going counterparts are designed to be useful for long distance journeys, hence the moniker “grand tourer.” As such, yes they do sacrifice some speed for comfort. In this way they’re different from a lot of more traditional sports cars, some of which can be uncomfortable on short trips and damn near undrivable for long ones.

Gran Turismo, Grand Touring? Tomato, tomato. Which came first, the car or the race? The fact is that these terms are pretty much interchangeable and forever intertwined, regardless of whether or not some manufacturers apply the name to cars to which it arguably doesn’t apply. English is a brutally democratic language, and as long as people equate these terms–and I have yet to see any etymological evidence to support the fact that they don’t–they are equal.

If you want further proof, you’ll notice that it’s called the FIA GT Championship, where GT is an abbreviation for nothing. http://www.fiagt.com

also, the best part of the Brazilian GP was when Nakajima took out half his pit crew.

“G - the SLR 722 GT will both look better, go faster, and be more sought after than a freaking Nissan, lol!”
-Comment by Commodore

Ummm…first off, I wasn’t the one who posted that the GTR “whooped its ass” around the Ring, I was just posting the link to the source for the GTR’s lap of 7:35 vs the SLR 722 GT’s 7:38, so don’t direct your “lol” at me.

Second, the reason I posted it in response to you was because you replied to the whooping-ass post saying, and I quote: “LMAO what Nissan are you comparing this to??” I was just filling you in, since you obviously aren’t very knowledgeable about the state of the autoworld. I say this because whether you like the GTR or not is irrelevant to this point, as it is simply a car that any autofan MUST know about. In case you care to argue that, it was the frontpage headline everywhere including Motortrend and Car and Driver, with loads of coverage and discussion.

Third, what do you mean it will look better and go faster? Correct me if I’m wrong…as my math might not be so good, but a 7:35 lap IS faster than a 7:38 lap, isn’t it? And look better? Did you take a look at that pic up there? The SLR 722 GT AND the GTR both look like crap, if you ask me.

And if you’re trying to argue that MB is more upmarket, has more heritage, etc than Nissan… nobody’s arguing with you… though those ugly ass B-class cars I’m seeing aren’t doing much to help that.

It’s funny how far prejudice will go…people will argue against fact even when it stares them in the face, as the lap times are now. The gap is so close that the cars are obviously very evenly matched, and to me and many others they’re both ugly cars.

And yet you somehow seem to be suggesting that I’m biased here towards Nissan, when I and my family have never owned a Nissan, but we do own an MB…and we had another one before that.

i alwasy thought it was grand turismo as in “grand turismo omilagato”

does anybody have a real link to the 7.35 for the gt-r? the other link has the nissan engineers claiming 7.44 at best. there is a lot of arguing over this and nobody has posted the second link yet, i would hate to hear that a real enthusiast such as lln users are quoting bad information.

edmunds on the gtr forum says 7.38, so this really has me wondering what it really will run.

classic auto…there is a appeal to the ruling on the Williams car regarding fuel temperature. if they rule in favor of Mclaren, then Hamilton would be champion because the loss of the position of the Williams at the end of the race

CTS Driver, according to the 250 GTO page on wikipedia, and to the best of my shoddy translating ability, Gran Turismo Omologata basically translated to Grand Touring Homologated. As in it was built for the purpose of race homologation.

And in regard to the Williams challenge, wouldn’t that only bump Hamilton up one place and add one point to his total? Which would then tie him with Raikkonen on points, but Raikkonen would still get the championship by virtue of having more wins than Hamilton, would he not?

thanks nowei.

hey, no problem.

and i see the appeal also includes BMW Sauber, so yeah, that would make Hamilton champ if they disqualified three cars ahead of him. On the one hand, if the allegations against Williams and Sauber are true, they should be punished in some way, because if it’s OK for them to cheat using cooler fuel why isn’t OK for McLaren to cheat by stealing Ferrari technical documents? That being said, it’s not fair to punish Raikkonen and Ferrari, or reward Hamilton and McLaren, for infractions committed by other teams that essentially had no bearing on either the Ferraris or the McLarens. The FIA should just strip them of their points (for the single race, not the entire season) and leave everyone else untouched.

CTS Driver, this is the link I posted before for the 7:35 for the GTR.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r/

With Motortrend claiming the information on their “sources” I wouldn’t trust it 100% due to the ambiguity…however they do seem pretty sure of that by the tone of the article. It’d be nice if they revealed something about their source(s) to qualify them…

I read somewhere they’re considering trying to beat the Carrera GT time, so hopefully they go for it and we’ll see some reliable source on that…I’d think that they’d probably need to make another “Nur” spec model for that though. I’m pretty sure the ZR-1 will have a good run at the Carrera GT time as well, so if Nissan wants to take and hold the top spot for more than a few months, they’d have to put a cushion in below that time…which would definately require a Nur-spec again.

I honestly have to say that the GT-R vs. ZR-1 debate in this particular thread seems pretty strange. One could most likely buy a GT-R, ZR-1, and what the hell, a 911 Turbo for less than the price of most of the other cars turning similar lap times around Nordschleife… you could probably even factor in the cost of building yourself a new three car garage and still come out ahead.

Wow. What a monumental waste of resources.

how can the 722 GT be “one of the fastest road-going cars to [lap the nurburgring]” if it’s “track-only”?

I like it. I wangled a ride not long ago in an ‘08 McLaren roadster. 7:38 is just blistering!

jonmiles: “loving the comedy guys, but you’re going to make me lose my job b/c I’m laughing my ass off while I should be working.”
I have that same problem. It’s al deantj’s fault!

G: You’ve got to keep driver skill in the equation.

“With Motortrend claiming the information on their “sources” I wouldn’t trust it 100% due to the ambiguity…” I wouldn’t trust it much, because it’s Motor Trend.

660 pounds??? that ****ing amazing much better than the 40 pounds the Dodge ACR loses, but is there any point in the existence of this car?????

Even if I got divorced and left her the beer fridge I could only lose about half that weight.

1.2 Mil for this or

Corvette ZR-1, Nissan GTR, Lotus Exige Cup, Ariel Atom, Porsche Kayman, Dodge Viper ASC, 2-Snowmobiles, 2-Honda CR500Rs, a sandrail,1-24′ Ski-Nautique boat,2 KTM moto bikes and 2-525XC enduros, a used Cesna, a GMC 4dr 1-ton dually and toy hauler. And lets just use the 100K for track time tire and fuel.

I’ll take the second package

LP640,

Because there are people in this world for whom the words “Money is no object and I want one” is their easily enforceable motto. They want a real race car with the optional radio, they will gladly part with $1.2M for one.

The VIPER is fundamentally flawed in that it is made mostly of steel, But I would expect the next VIPER to made mainly of Aluminum and more advanced materials, similar to the CORVETTE. I would take notes from the Mosler MT900. The Car weighs 900 Kilos or just under one ton and started around $147K (I think they are up to over $200K now). GM took notes Chrysler could stand to do the same.

This thing bad amazingly bad ****in ass looking. I don’t mind the wing because I actually know what it takes to keep the rear end down. I’d wring this thing out around a track in a heartbeat.

Yeah the Mosler MT900 is an impressive car. I was just going through my old car magazines and I saw my Aug 06 issue of Car And Driver Magazine where they had reviews of the 750hp Saleen S7 Twin Turbo, and the 600hp Mosler MT900. According to Car And Driver’s perf stats the 750hp twin turbo Salenn did 0-60mph in 3.4 and the 600hp Supercharged V8 Mosler pulled a 0-60 in 3.1 seconds and that’s quick. Like Blakkarr mentioned I believe the Mosler pulled a time so fast like that due to it’s light weight. The Saleen is a little heavier but you do get a more complete package with it. However as an “expensive” toy for only a 600hp S/C V8 supercar that can pull a 60 time in almost 3 flat. I’d take the Mosler. Or I’d build my own Factory Five Racing GTM Supercar and equip it with a S/C or Twin Turbo LS7, or the LS9 if I could grab one from the factoryengines.com site. But yeah SwerveEarly I too would opt for your second option.

this car is going to be truly amazing fellows…..mercedes-benz know exactly what they are foing…..more suprises to come as well.