Go Ford!

good job ford. showing toyota/honda whats up

Toyota Camry Hybrids get 34 mpg, or better, consistently
It actually meets it’s EPA, unlike Ford’s hybrids
DrFill

The MILAN is a gorgeous car and I wish MERCURY got to make more lookers like it. That said, FORD has another winner. Make you wonder what they could do if they set out to build a purpose-made Hybrid or GEV.

Mas Kudos, FORD.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING, Y’all.

Great, now how about VW gets us a diesel Hybrid Jetta.

DrFill, you forgot to mention that the Camry is an eyesore compared to this.

Dr, lolyou have the i.q of a gnat.

there is something about the side profile that annoys me, and that interior is just horrid (specifically the steering wheel, doors, and dash)… that steering wheel is unforgivable, its always there in the drivers face, sitting there being ugly.. and the center console is pretty nasty too… looks like a worthy rival to the cobalts plastic interior.
i really hate that faux leather plastic texture, if it isnt going to be leather, dont do it (or do like buick and use that fancy urethane with actual french stitch)

i cant get over that interior, seats look nice, a bit flat, but adequate, and the sat-nav is fine (though imo the buttons are a little low)… all that plastic and the way it looks reminds me of a ‘98 F150, and i think i would take the trucks plastic just because in doesnt have an over-done cracked leather appearance.

oh and rear seats arent 60/40 (maybe an option?) which is crucial for my snowboard.

just not my cup of tea i guess… oh and now that i think of it, how many times are they going to use that steering wheel style and shifter knob?

DR FILL, Let me start off by saying you’re an idiot. You make it sound as if Ford lied about the EPA ratings, but this has nothing to do with Ford. The EPA rated the Ford Fusion Hybrid higher than your beloved Toyota Camry Hybrid because it performed much better than the Camry in their recent updated testing.

Hybrids are known for being sensitve, they usually performed poorer if someone floors it. under normal driving they would usually perform much better than their EPA ratings.

I’ve read reviews about the Ford fusion, and from what I’ve read so far they usually achieve around 36-38 MPG which is right in line with the MIXED DRIVING rating the EPA gave the Fusion.

Maybe, If you put your bias aside, you would actually see of what American-based companies are capable of.

ANDY. You obviously haven’t driven a Ford Fusion hybrid. Pictures often don’t do it any justice. The interior is among the best interiors in the Market. In fact, Edmunds inside line which is usuallly accused of being biased said that The Ford Fusion has the BEST MATERIALS of any other mid-sized sedan in one of their recent comparisons two months ago.

“The tightly constructed interior has the best materials in this test”

“it had the best ride in the test, it was the quietest (in terms of both wind and road noise), and it had a large back seat that didn’t trail the Accord’s by much. The Fusion had the most comfortable front seats (although they can pinch the shoulder blades of taller or long-torsoed occupants), which are actually shared with the sedate Hybrid model. The driving position was friendliest for the widest array of driver sizes, and long distances passed by with the greatest comfort. The Sync electronics interface is becoming a beloved feature, and the rearview camera was unique in this test”

It took first place.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/strategies/2009/07/comparison-test-accord-vs-malibu-vs-fusion-vs-mazda6-vs-sonata.html

Great thinking on the top speed for running on electric.

I got to drive the Ford Fusion version for 3.5 hours city, SoCal driving. This is virtually stop light to stoplight, with hills.
I don’t know how they got 34, I got 44 with hard starts off the line several times, 3 passengers plus myself and a/c on. I hypermiled about 30% of the time in city driving, the rest normal, to a few hard runs.
The 34 gotten by these testers does not adhere to the rest of magazine tests or other drivers. Most get 39-45. These guys must have really been stomping on it. By the way, plenty of 2010 Prius owners get 36-38 driving hard with lots of stop lights!
I have a 2010 Prius that weighs only 3,000lbs and I get 41-44 in the exact same driving conditions. So this makes the Ford products VASTLY superior since my 0-60 is 10 seconds and Fords do low to mid 8’s and are real cars. Real interiors, real bodies. MPG the same.
They didn’t have the lease or any incentives for Ford. When they do, my Prius goes on Lease trader.

Fords Attitude: We sell every Hybrid we make, so why lease?
Newsflash for Ford Execs: Toyota and Honda sell an ‘F’ Load more Hybrids than you do, virtually every single one they produce, and they ALL LEASE. Ford, guess what? Toyota has sold THREE TIMES the 2010 Model Hybrids you have, in a shorter amount of time (since the Prius was release MONTHS after your Fusion/ Milan) and they still managed to smoke your doors. And you have no incentives? No lease? Base model almost $9000 more…. GET REAL.

This car actually looks decent, Ford needs to make Mercury its “Alfa Romeo” brand(Buick/Acura level luxury, but with sport in mind), they can use the RX8 platform, stick an Ecoboost 4 in it and call it the new Capri. make a small hatchback, use the Falcon chassis(Or DEW98) to make a full sizer Marauder that replaces the Grand Marquis. A Mustang based Cougar that goes against the G37 Coupe. one Explorer based Mariner than goes against the CUV’s. make Mercury and Lincoln go global. and after that Mercury can actually compete with something. Lincoln should go after Mercedes Benz and ditch those FWD wannabe Luxury Cars(Except the CUV’s, those can stay as FWD) the MKS can go to Mercury.

Ford has the Mustang chassis, DEW and Falcon. I’m sure those 3 can form a C-Class fighter(Mustang), E-Class fighter(DEW) and S-Class fighter(Falcon). and the RX8 chassis for a Z4 Fighter.

Motor Trend has tested the Fusion Hybrid
Twice
And has averaged less than 34MPG
Twice
Including this month’s COTY issue
And the Camry Hybrid was faster by a second 0-60 in a direct comparison
With SLIGHTLY BETTER efficiency

In other words, the Fusion can do everything the Camry Hybrid can do
Only slower
So congratulations to Ford
Good job…….

Perez
I OWN you, so what does that make you again?

BU
Yeah, I forgot how sexy the Fusion is
How big is the poster in your room anyway?
DrFill

Hey everyone look, I am DR FILL, I like to spat off figures without citing them, lets see if I can try this…uuumm the camry only gets 2 miles per gallon, looks like a typical Jap Piece of sh!t bar of soap, NASA said they will start using the camry on the moon….oh, and you HAVE to believe me, ’cause I said so….

This car is a winner.
Remember, the EPA estimates.
Ymmv

Remember to get to bed early so y’all can get y’all’s black asses out to buy cheap crap.
America needs you!

Dr Fill you are such a wanker. What kind of “car guy” gets hard ons for Camrys? Seriously, begone from these boards loser..you obviously have zero interest in cars.

And well done Ford for consistently improving their cars and continuing to turn around the company. We need you guys to succeed for the good of competition and the good of America.

Dr.Fill,
YOu can talk all the **** you want, but it seems that only a weird ass on this forum would pick a toyota camry…let alone a hybrid version of it. That’s a low blow equivalent of whacking your own nuts with sludge hammer! So, if you are cool, get the Milan/fusion hybrid. If you just plain suck at life, and have a two inch gap between your teeth, get the toyota!

HDS
Look everybody
I’m HDS
I can’t go to MotorTrend’s website and look up Fusion Road Tests because I’m an f’n tool……..

Rover
Nobody gets hard on Camrys
You tools are creaming over Fusion, like it’s some bad-ass ride
And all it does it do what Camry has already done
Only slower
And with a lower resale value
I’m tired of being right
I should be more like you

Idrino
I’m only one of 400k crazy people every year who would get the better car
Other than that I’m fine

You guys are soiling yourselves over Fusion because it’s a genuine shock that Ford can make a car that’s competitive
I thoroughly understand your amazement
Not return to earth
You are suffering from oxygen deprivation
DrFill

@Perez, alright, i will go down to a Ford lot tomorrow and get in a Fusion (i like the look of them better, and there isnt a Mercu lot in the city)… im actually curious how it cant look like garbage plastic, and im even going to be upfront with any dealer that confronts me, i’ll tell them i think the interior sucks a bag dicks and im here to be proven wrong… i know sarcasm is hard to read, but this isnt any attempt at being funny, im 100% serious, im going to go drive one.

No one is creaming over the Fusion like its a bad ass ride. Some people just like to see credit where it is due. So the Camry has a slightly 0.60 time than the Fusion? Wow it MUST be the better car then. Oddly enough cars are not just measured on that. What about ride, handling, ergonomics, safety, design, quality, accomodation, refinement? All area where the Fusion is better.

The fact is, the tide is turning and the public is finally realising that domestic cars are as good as and in some cases, better, than the imported equivalent. With Ford and GM in particular releasing some excellent new cars and with more to come. There is more passion and love in the fender of a Camaro than there is in a fleet of Camry’s. Only ignorant haters like you fail to see this for whatever unknown godly reason.

And the only person suffering from oxygen deprivation is you as you abviously have the memory of a goldfish given the fact you have to remind yourself who you are with every tedious, inane post of yours. Seriosuly, just go back to jerking off n the back of a Camry or Corolla, Jeffry Dhamer misses the company.

1 second isn’t slight
Comparing GM’s lineup to Ford’s is like comparing my brainpower to yours

And, sorry, your Mom won’t let me jerk off anymore
Here she cums to save the day!
Happy Holidays!
DrFill

I remember back in the early 90’s DrFill was even arguing that he enjoyed anal probes more than Ford Probes.
Guess he just likes gay **** all around.

DrFill,
And you’re in denial because you still think your beloved toyota is the best. Times are changing for the better! Toyota is going down!

Don’t get me mixed up with your Father Connor and his yearly “Camping Trip”
Now you can squat down on a dollar
And make change
DrFill

Not a chance, your stupid, biased views shine through very clearly!

So do the facts
Someday
You’ll learn what those are
DrFill

I did, and those facts clearly show that public perception of toyota is going down, while ford’s is going up, the and as the most recent reviews show, the hybrid war resulted in a win to Ford/Mercury, while sedan market was won by the fusion(which competed against the mazda, honda, hyundai, and toyota).

Seems like you’ve been living under a rock!

I try not to get involved in such quibbles, but an EPA rating of 41/36mpg trumps 33/34mpg any day. Also the AAA, known to be much more aggressive with their tests, rated the Fusion/Milan Hybrids better as well. They are the best converted Hybrids going right now. Turns out that being a bit more interesting made the cars better.

I have little doubt that TOYOTA will try to up the ante next car around. But by then they will have to deal with a fundamentally better GEV, the VOLT, and likely yet an even more effective Hybrid from FORD.

TOYOTA is falling into the same trap GM fell into, where Quantity manages to trump Quality. Rusting parts, questionable safety in accelerators, falling down performance figures across the board, and massive recalls every other quarter. TOYOTA is also getting too comfortable being #1.

This is the face of competition. If TOYOTA expects people to just keep buying their machines because they are TOYOTAs, they are going to be beating a hasty retreat like HONDA is in a few more years. I gotta tell you GM and FORD are looking really Boss right now and they keep looking better with every new model. 2010 and 2011 are gonna suck for TOYOTA.

Public perception of Ford has been the same for a steaming terd
Now it’s cooled to a lovely piece of terd furniture
Congrats!
This must make your Holiday

If Toyota made Ford-level vehicles for 20 years, they couldn’t be less respected than Ford
Only GM has less respect

And if Ford didn’t quietly ask for bank handouts instead of gov’t, they’d be just as low
GM can outbuild Ford all day long

Forget comparing Ford to Toyota
That’s like comparing urine to champagne
DrFill

Not bad not bad at all…i like it…..until you get to the rear of the car…dont like the lights…

I saw one of these on the streets. The car looks really good in person. $9000 is a large premium for the hybrid version. That buys a lot of gas, so it’s only for real tree lovers.

As much as I love it when Doc gets on a roll I can’t believe we’re over 30 posts into this thread and no one has brought up the burning issue of why this car… or more specifically this brand… exists at all. Well I’m going to tell you why and if this sounds like a complete reversal of many… OK all… of my previous sentiments well so be it. We live and learn.

Buick is the reason virtually all the anti Mercury sentiment has disappeared as of late. Anyone else sense the pattern forming here? Chevy vs. Ford. Cadillac vs. Lincoln. Buick vs. _________? Yeah, that’s a tough one. C’mon, don’t you see it? They’re about to pawn Volvo off to the Chinese but when it comes to Mercury… nary a whisper can be heard even above the din of a Milan running in all electric mode.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Mercury make a return to Canada in the next 2-3 years.

Johnny
I’ll tell you what Mercury is for
For all the pikers who can’t muster up the 540 FICO score to get a Ford

We used to call them “Roaches”
“Send ‘em across the street to Get Him Done!”
LOL
Oh the memories
The douchechills…….
DrFill

Doc, I used to consider you public enemy number 1 on this forum but that was then… this is now. Even the oldest wounds can heal if you resist the urge to open them up every so often.

Well Johnny, Mercury has been non-existant to the public for quite some time now. The last hot seller was the Sable, and that was just a corporate twin of the Taurus. Most people under the age of 65 have completely forgotten the Grand Marquis. I see a much brighter future in Buick at this point compared to Mercury, especially once the Regal GS hits the market next year.

I don’t really know why the keep Mercury. The cars are basically identical to Fords, just slightly different styling. I guess it gives Lincoln dealers some lower cost cars to fill out the lineup. However they are starting to merge Ford and Lincoln dealers, so Mercury could go the way of Pontiac and Saturn.

Johnny
You are an officer
And a Gentlemen

How does “Teacher’s Aid” strike you?
DrFill

Oh God, this ass-kissing is making me sick. DrFill, you are a delusional jerk and a Toyota cheerleader.
The only thing Toyota has to brag about are a couple of high end Lexus models, everything else is stale crap.

There is a price premium, but it isn’t $9000 unless you were seriously were going to buy a totally stripped optionless base model otherwise.
The standard hybrid is pretty loaded compared to the base non-hybrid.
After you add all the options to make it otherwise comparable except for having the hybrid motor, the premium isn’t anywhere near $9000.

I think the car looks great on the outside but I have to say that the interior is the sore spot for me. I understand the quality is there but it doesn’t look cohesive or particularly modern. Then again, I haven’t sat in a new one or even the Fusion, but it doesn’t look real inviting from the pictures. However, major kudos to Ford/Mercury on this car. Technologically its up there with the best in the category. The price is a bit steep but not unrealistic. I’m curious to drive one.

jackjimturkey, is that you? Were you on a sabbatical? Welcome back.

BU
I’d rather be a delusional jerk that is right
Than one that is you
DrFill

I am back DrFill STFU. Your a POS to be sure. In case you guys don’t realize this DrFill is NFMOFGM Brother! Don’t listen to this POS. DrFill you are a jack off artist to be sure. I’ve heard enough of your mouth on this post. Ford is kicking ass and will begin to take over its rightful crown of being number 1 in not only quality and value, but where it counts and that is with its consumer base.

. I just got done a 800mile run from Chicago to Philadelphia for the Holidays. I have a 10 Year old in terms of years driven 2001 Ford Taurus SES. GREAT CAR owned it since it was Brand new and I will take this any day of the week over a Toyota Camry same year comparably equipped because why? I am getting more quality and reliability from FORD MOTOR.. Your talking to a former Honda Accord and Import buyer and tell you Ford Motor is the Best Domestic Automaker by far. Chyrsler has got some good model their Dodge Truck I think is the best looking Pickup Truck. GM though sucks a Donkey Dork.

But for a 10 year old car the 2001 Ford Taurus it still handles like the day it was new when I 100MPH and could easily top 120 with being totally quiet and no vibration. That is something you probably can’t work even out of your new chevy that shakes and rattles when it gets over 70 MPH. and I had the pleasure of seeing a Brand new Taurus SHO rocketing even past me and I was moving. A Chevy was following not too far behind but gave it up before long but had the thoughts he could hang with the New SHO but the New Taurus SHO proved to much for him. Even my Taurus kicked his arse.

But even before the 2010 Ford Fusion became Motor Trends “Car of the Year” It was already the Best Selling Midsize American Domestic and I and many believe before long it will OWN the segment entirely within a year or two! DRFILL we know your a GM FAN Boy and have taken refuge over at Toyota. GM Sucks and Toyota had a terrible year. Meanwhile the Propspect of Ford Motor Position will continue to improve with the 2011 Ford (Verve) Fiesta hitting the streets with a few months. Ford Taurus, Brand new F-150, Microsoft Sync, New Euro Focus Coming, Electric Focus, Then Next generation Hybrid , and New Generation Electric coming after that. Look Out here comes Ford across the Finish line 1st for America! IN your face DrFIll you whimp!

We were looking at these and the Fusions yesterday. Agree on the itnerior. exteriors are fine, but that dash plastic looks like it came off of a Chinese (Walmart) water pistol. Definitely out of touch in a $34k car

Mercury needs to bring back a performance ALL Time AWD system mated to a 8 spd DDCT and an Updated version of the 1967 Cougar XR7 Sport comparable to the Nissan GT-R Skyline to get some excitement into its lineup.
What Mercury has going for it:

HITS: a High Quality Product, Microdsoft Sync, and the Milan gets the Crown for having the Best MPG in its Hybrid class at 41MPG Great!, good technology, great range of powertrain options, and best overall value in its class. That is Bar None no exceptions DrFU!

MIsses: Its called Milan has vanilla styling, the name itself is Italian ok but is this Mercury or and Alfa Romeo?, AWD Full time?

you know bankruptcy2009, for once i actually agree with you on this matter, just leave GM out of it, bash toyota for once! Let the war of the internet trolls begin!

The Fusion is better since it isn’t at risk of being killed off in a few years.
The next generation Fusion will be the one to get when it’s redesigned inside and out to be more like a smaller new-Taurus.
I expect a full redesign by 2012 model year or 2012 calendar year as a 2013 at the very latest.

Bk
when did you get out?
What happened to “3 strikes”?
Don’t go messing with that ankle bracelet
drfill

… with any luck it’s only a day pass.

Dr. Fill
they apparently needed room in the mental institution for you, so they let BK2009 out.

I agree with JC mercury is mainly around to (unsuccessfully) compete with Buick. Buick however, has its own identity (here in the US) Mercury all look like their ford counterparts with SLIGHTLY better materials. But on the milan.. Ok lookin on the outside ( i know ill get shot for saying it but i really do like the look of the camry better…but thats just me) The inside of the Milan is what kills me, its tacky. I couldn’t imagine myself paying the premium for this when i could have the Fusion Hybrid and call it a day. I hope and prey they dont redesign the fusion to look like a smaller Taurus tho. The Fusion IMO is better looking than the taurus (which isnt bad but not my style).

If MERCURY where to build a new High performance coupe, I would loathe to have it called COUGAR because of the meaning it carries in popular vernacular today, “An older woman chasing after younger men.” Not exactly something That would move much metal even if the car was a total BAD@$$ street monster.

However, MERCURY has had several cool names over the decades, including a coupe called “CYCLONE”.

But more over I would be keen on a FORD RS500 (known in the US as the MERKUR XR4Ti) revival as a MERCURY. Roughly the same proportions but current MERCURY styling. The 2.5L I5 could be a standard motor with the EcoBOOST 3.5L TTV6 as the top engine. I

krautninja what I think GM fanboys like yourself and GM Execs don’nt understand is that you both have “UNREALISTIC” expectations for GM’s Faux aka False Luxury brand in Buick. I mean what is Buick-represents is the “OLD MAN’s car and that’s about it. And I love its stupid advertising on billboards comparing itself to a Lexus. Um No ..iBuick is a joke and no it can’t compete at the Lexus level alright and the general public won’t buy that either. My father owned a few Buick as company cars and they were steaming piles of ****. They were made to look ornate but that is about it, and to be fair they were ok cars they never had the chance of threatening the pinnacle of automotive technology.

TO be totally honest their really isn’t another car manufacturer out there that can compete with Japanese Luxury either Electronically and or at the highest sophistication level technology level. The Germans can mechnically but not electronically. The only Domestic Manufacturer that has the most sophisticated electronics and Software is the Ford Motor’s partner with its Microsoft Sync Satellite Navigation. Mercedes Benz is to have Split view tech and not sure how that will factor in.

GM’s Gay On -Star is Only good for one thing and that is if your in a craah it sends out a signal other than that its a joke. But definitely good for those chevy boy High school drop out looking to prove their delinquency and stupidity by testing the laws of phyics with a Tahoe thinking its a race car and flipping it over on its roof several times after thinking their speed racer with a vehicle that was not designed to go over 70 MPH through the twisties without flipping over.

If this came down to a battle between Mercury and Buick. Mercury as vanilla has they are . Wins hands down with better technology and Higher Quality and total value!

1967 Cougar was the hottest sports car Mercury ever manufactured. Yes the Cyclone was ok but not a Cougar.

Bankruptcy2009, you really need to slow down and take a breath. You invoke the title of NMOF_ against someone else but you seriously sound no better. You make no (and I mean NO) fact-based points in your rants about GM products. With a near-hyperventilating pace, you tell tall-tales of negative experiences people in your life had with GM products of the past. If that is the only qualifier to determine subpar product, I think Ford is in worse shape than GM. Both GM and Ford have shady pasts but both have made large strides regarding dependability and quality. To exaggerate any slight edge a current Ford model may have over a GM model, into wild and unsubstantiated claims of sheer superiority, stinks of desperation on your part. For example, you ‘witnessed’ a new SHO on the freeway blowing away a ‘Chevy’. Were they, in fact, pitted in a title-determining race? Who told you so? What model was carrying the “Chevy” name, what year was it, what engine did it have, what were the conditions that initiated the race and criteria that determined its winner? See, that stuff matters to some people when making claims of superiority. And, that is exactly why a story like yours means absolutely nothing on here. Just another tall-tale. Oh, and the added proverbial whipped-topping that your 2001 Taurus SES also blew the Chevy away. Way too funny. What kind of Chevy was this again? I knew people like you existed on the roads (delusional daily-drivers that win several “races” on the commute every day) but it’s just strange hearing this confirmation from one. Congrats on your racing ‘victory’. Did you happen to get his pink?

Probably your most fact- laden complaint about GM was this one: “GM’s Gay On -Star is Only good for one thing and that is if your in a craah it sends out a signal other than that its a joke. But definitely good for those chevy boy High school drop out looking to prove their delinquency and stupidity by testing the laws of phyics with a Tahoe thinking its a race car and flipping it over on its roof several times after thinking their speed racer with a vehicle that was not designed to go over 70 MPH through the twisties without flipping over.” Most reviews I have read about On-Star are very positive. Please describe what you mean by the only thing it is good for is if you get in a crash. Clearly, you have no experience working with its features. Then you go in to this tirade about “Chevy boy high school drop outs” wrecking a Tahoe. Wow, did you feel left out in high school by the cool kids that might have driven Chevys? I’m starting to discern a pattern.

You know, looking back, I guess you’ve got a pretty solid case against GM. Their product really is inferior after all. I mean On-Star is bad. Only Chevy boy drop outs buy Tahoes and most of those will be wrecked anyway. And, Fords are faster too. Especially the sleeper 2001 model, Taurus SES. Apparently, I just hadn’t seen it your way. Thanks for the well thought out information.

I can’t imagine anyone taking your comments seriously. For me, you fit in the NMOF_ category on here. You lose all hope of credibility when you launch into brand-bashing with nothing more than comments like, “But for a 10 year old car the 2001 Ford Taurus it still handles like the day it was new when I 100MPH and could easily top 120 with being totally quiet and no vibration. That is something you probably can’t work even out of your new Chevy that shakes and rattles when it gets over 70 MPH.” Are you serious? Again, a NMOF-status comment. No room for discussion. Nothing of substance offered to refute. No exchange of ideas possible. Just bias-driven thoughts banged out in a prepubescent (or never-matured) level of communicating.

To use desperate tactics like you’ve employed above, I figure you’ve either realized that there is little you can pick on about GM’s latest products, and that thoroughly infuriates a blind devotee like you; or your automotive knowledge is generally a decade out of date. in addition to you being drunk with Ford cool-aid. In either case, I detect a serious note of panic in your comments and a resulting ill-conceived attempt to influence the opinions of others to match yours. While Ford isn’t currently gaining the market share that GM (despite the overwhelming negativity associated with its bankruptcy) is, Ford has some good product and positive public perception, without undesirable and potentially image-damaging cheerleaders like you messing things up.

By the way, your comment about Buick and Mercury, “If this came down to a battle between Mercury and Buick. Mercury as vanilla has they are . Wins hands down with better technology and Higher Quality and total value!” is absolutely bizarre. What do you base that on? If you believe for a moment that Mercury has anywhere near the product line up, currently or soon to be released, as Buick does, your condition is worse than I thought. I would really enjoy hearing your reasoning on this one.

Bankruptcy, i just realized your full of crap. You couldn’t have done 120 in your ten year old ford taurus because the top speed is only 112 mph, same as a toyota prius.

Hey Xerox Clone Brain Um your wrong Ford is making Huge Market Share gains against Toyota screw GM their pathetic and will continue to do so when the Fiesta and Euro Focus, Kuga, and C-Max due to arrive and Kick the living day lights out of GM. But I can comment CloneDong and my opinion sir would be biased “if” and I mean if I never had experienced ownership and driven a GM product. However I have driven several brand new GM products as a matter of fact I have several examples of each GM brand over and over. I have driven Olds (now dead) , Pontiac ( Soon to be Dead), Buick (Should be Dead), Chevy( Garbage) So there my Opinion Counts and it matters. So don’t give me the BC about being another son of yours like NMOFGM.
Reed as of yesterday I hit 120 MPH on the return trip and yes sir it will do it! But it does have a governor to 115 MPH but it sometimes goes past that governor. Like yesterday. Blew away a Tinted out BMW who was irritating me thinking he could go faster if he tried to drive his BMW up my tail pipe and sitting on my bumper .
That is the act of a fool if you want to pass someone people lay off the car in front of you give them a chance to clear or give them comfortable distance or even flash to pass to let them know you want to pass if they sit there ..but for God sakes don’t TAIL GATE anyone. But I waited till traffic ahead of me cleared then I preceded to show him “WHO” was in control of whom. And it was’nt him.

Clone it was a brand you Chevy Tahoe often I find Large GM Trucks want to try and prove they can catch a car. My question why? Its a total mismatch. So to that extent Clone it was’nt an even duel., but that does’nt stop high school drop outs that are Truckers with the Number 3 emblazoned on the radiator to their rig and try and race even a car. I’ve seen it.

Clone you’d be surprise the power a Modular DOHC 200HP V-6 can do in the Taurus SES. SAAB is my favorite victim they think their hot in that tin can of theirs until they meet me!

They have a 37 to even a 60 HP advantage but the Duratec and produces 240 FT/lbs of Torque. I guess that is why those Bitches are “OWNED” by ME!

Bankruptcy2009, my screen name is psiclone which is symbolic for my pressure-boosted GMC Syclone. A truck that Ford never approached in quickness with one of their own. It ran a stock 13.1 quarter-mile when it was new, a 12.5 with very minor mods, and I’m currently completing more serious mods that will likely put me solidly in the 11s. So make all the variations of psiclone that give you giggles or make you think you’ve distracted me or others from the topic at hand, but everyone of my points still stand unaddressed by you.

You apparently don’t or can’t read my posts as I didn’t even mention Toyota regarding Ford’s market share. I mentioned Ford’s shortcomings compared to GM’s consistent market-share gains, if that is what you were referring to but I did not draw any comparison to Toyota. Where did you get that idea? Ah, wait, another failed diversionary tactic because you have no case against fact. I await further smoke and mirrors.

That confusing sentence of yours further hacks out a somewhat comprehensible thought: “Ford is making Huge Market Share gains against Toyota screw GM their pathetic and will continue to do so when the Fiesta and Euro Focus, Kuga, and C-Max due to arrive and Kick the living day lights out of GM.” Okay, if I’m understanding your point correctly, you are saying that Ford is gaining on Toyota but don’t bring GM into the equation because it marginalizes your favorite company’s progress. Additionally you’re saying that once Ford introduces those four European-based models that GM will continue to have their undisclosed percentage of the market share reduced. You make a poor propagandist. An amusing one but hopelessly unqualified.

The next point that you (to be fair) must have missed, is that you consistently draw comparisons to vehicles that are from a time that I have said I will not defend. All the domestic brands were snoozing while the foreign brands were making strides in quality during the 80s and 90s. I have said that repeatedly. I am referring to vehicles produced in the last eight to ten years and especially those in the last three or so. Where I work we have two Tauruses (Taurii?) for company use, one a 1998 and the other a 2000. Neither is a desirable car to drive. I won’t go into a litany of reasons but they are constantly in and out of the shop (hence, the reason for having two). We do have a Crown Vic also which seems to be less troublesome. My point is, I wouldn’t be bringing up my experiences with those cars if someone was telling me that the new Taurus was a well-engineered car. The comparison would be unfair and only make me look uninformed, as it has you.

By the way, about the point you make that your Taurus has a speed governor at 115 MPH. It’s interesting to know that the supposed precision device has a fudge-factor of 5 MPH, thereby allegedly allowing the car to exceed the predetermined maximum threshold which was based on parts-tolerances and vehicle stability. Were you sharing your car’s slop as a positive thing? I think you lost me.

And finally, you have once again entertained us with wild tales of your Taurus-commuting triumphs. Bankruptcy2009, it seems you are a little man (and I am not speaking of stature but rather power). When you typed, “But I waited till traffic ahead of me cleared then I preceded to show him “WHO” was in control of whom. And it was’nt him,” your hand was tipped. You inadvertently revealed that you are a weak person with no real control of your life. In your mental realm, you travel the roads of confrontation and self-appointed winner. However, in your realm you determine the players, rules of engagement, qualifiers for winning and how that win defines you. I am really beginning to understand you better each time you post.

Meantime, here is a preview of Bankruptcy2009’s next commuter confrontation:

In this episode, Bankruptcy2009 is engaged in a dangerous high-speed one-on-one race with an elderly lady trying to carefully transport cartons of eggs to the needy in her 2005 Cobalt LS. However, in Bankruptcy2009’s world… this is none other than a Camaro SS. The Chevy-boy-high-school-dropout driver is giving him the finger, taking up three lanes and holding up a sign that says the throttle is completely floored and there is nothing else he can do to salvage this lost challenge against yet another 2001 Taurus SES. “Drat Ford for making that car,” the Chevy fan boy decries! And once again, Bankruptcy2009 has used his SES powers for good and not evil. He has eliminated another Chevy fan boy from the roads and, despite nearly 10 years of tireless work in his Taurus, he must go on. He will go on. For the world needs commuting super heroes and one day, they may be extinct. Thank you SES boy.

Clone you are indeed pathetic being that this is a Mercury Post and not a GMC aka really Chevy– ahem speaking of Clones! but ah yes you reveal your just another frustrated GM Fanboy wondering why Ford Motor is doing so well. For one, Ford Fan Boys are’nt nearly as arrogant as GM fanboy devotees. I think most people could sum it up like that. As far as the POS GMC Syclone which tried to rip off the Old Mercury Cyclone is nothing but a slapped together piece of junk GM put together then forgot about. And no don’t impress me with your wannaby Eta’s a Ford F-150 Lighting would make short work out of you and your Syclone dare you try and compete against one. So that ends that argument real fast.

ROFL you make an entertaining story of who you think I am GMC Boy- lets just call you what you are ok.
And while you dismissed the Taurus as a non threat and a vanilla car. It is a potent sedan nonetheless
. I have take Camaros and Firebirds and yes they were of the 320 HP variant and embarrassed them!
And don’t care to validate that for you since your a non believer, but lets just say they were looking at my tail lamps and not the other way around. And after having thoughts of delusions of granduear and thinking they owned the road I proved them wrong!

And last but not the very least is Market Share. A point you wanted me to cover in more detail. Sir GM is shrinking and losing market share rapidly and will continue to decline. They just lost Pontiac, Hummer, SAAB, Saturn( Another fake Chevy)that is losing 250,000 to 300,000 units a year. from Pontiac alone Then Buick will be next everyone know Buick is a lame duck rebuilt chevy . So GM is in self denial- Buick is not on par with even Hyundai much less a Lexus. Those ads are a joke. smarter than a lexus eh hmmm ok if you think so!!!
Buick will be the next to go- along with Olds and Pontiac. Ford’s Quality you can’t compete with nor comment about Because Ford’s Quality is Superior and eons ahead of GM’s ok. Looking at the rating just posted or do I have to do the leg work for you! Don’t be lazy

So no Ford’s Market share is going to outstripp GM’s just watch. The Folks over at Merrill Lynch market analyst have already predicted that Ford and GM will trade place in terms of market share before long. Just watch and see over the course of JUST THE NEXT 2 years. Once Pontiac is gone, SAAB, Saturn, Hummer, and some other junk GM brand the inflated figure GM has will disappear for good! See ya later Loser!

Thought you would find this entertaining Just the FACTS PISSANTCLONE “WSJ- How Ford Is Making Its Comeback” it will tell you all about Ford’s Quality ratings which have been consistent since the Taurus enter the market and got only better to the best in the industry. A Toyota Camry is no better in terms of Quality pwertrain or otherwise than my Taurus.

Oh Yeah don’t tell me about the company car Taurus that joe numbskull leave the oil cap off off to destroy the motor because he hated it because its a Ford Motor product. I had one of those years ago and he desparately tried to ruin the company Truck while trying to save his Piece of Garbage Olds -crap -mobile.
Until I told the manager how he was treating the company Truck. The manager elected to fire the driver!
Taurus are great cars ask anyone other than yourself! oh yeah one other point Ford sees 3rd consecutive month of market share increase, Ford Increases European Market Share, FORD CANADA INCREASES MARKET SHARE FOR FIFTH CONSECUTIVE MONTH, Ford to build new assembly plant in China, FORD POSTS Q3 2009 NET INCOME OF $1 BILLION,FORD’S NEW FIESTA GLOBAL SMALL CAR OFF TO A FAST START IN EUROPE; COMING TO CHINA IN ’09, U.S. IN 2010, RIO DE JANEIRO – U.S. automaker Ford on Friday announced plans to invest 4 billion reais ($2.3 billion) through 2015 to expand two factories in Brazil, FORD AUSTRALIA INVESTS $230 MILLION IN NEW FUEL-EFFICIENT ENGINES FOR LOCALLY PRODUCED VEHICLES, Ford of India increased market share new Ford Figo- ” The Figo”, Ford of Russia new Focus kicking arse in sales, Ford of Africa. So you need any more examples for why Ford is doing so well ok one more WSJ- Ford China October Passenger Auto Sales Up 80% At 20,027 Units.

Go back to to modifiying your old GMC jalopy SilonClone from Battlestar Galactica

so bankruptcy 2009, you’re telling me that the rev-limiter doesn’t work? Wouldn’t that be bad quality, as in, not not off the showroom floor like you said?

that’s just shocking

Bankruptcy2009, without failing, you have again demonstrated all of the reasons I typically don’t respond to people like you and the NMOFs. You are either a drunk or an imposter trying to rally negative comments against a particular brand, in this case Ford. Personally, I believe a degree of both is at work here creating a toxic mixture with your very ill placed superiority complex. Nothing else could explain your lack of ability to effectively or realistically defend something you supposedly believe so strongly in. And, NOTHING could defend your rookie comparison of a Syclone to a… cough cough… ahem, F150 Lightning. Uh, yeah, I’m not sure what to say to that other than even the most die-hard Ford fans won’t make that error. Do just a little research before embarrassing yourself for being stupid enough to bring a water pistol to a gunfight by comparing the Lightning to a Syclone.

Now, back to Mr. SES 2001 – A Roadway Avenger… an avenger in his mind and in his mind only. C’mon Mr. SES, tell us about the time your Taurus caught up to and passed that SR-71 travelling at supersonic speeds above you. Pleeeeeease? Remember you said he gave up and ejected to accept defeat? Oh man, you’re cool. Thanks Mr. SES!

End of my attempts at a discussion with you since it is obvious by this point that it is not going to happen and I cannot discredit you any further than I have already.

Why doesn’t everyone just admit that both GM and Ford have some decent vehicles and are improving their quality. The Ford Fusion is a good car that will be the real thing with the next generation. The problem Ford has is finding a new platform for their rear-drive vehicles in the future. Everything now seems to be off the S80 Volvo platform. I believe Ford has the right people in charge who will make sure their transformation gets done. GM is impressing me with the LaCrosse and the Regal. They are trying to do things right. They are not perfect cars, but way ahead of where they were. The Cruze is the real deal. Interior is great, but I’ll have to see it in person before I can judge the exterior. I like Cadillac’s cars and the SRX. I am looking forward to the new Explorer and the revamped Edge, as well as the new small cars. I hope Chrylser can pull it off, but I am not a fan of Fiat’s styling, especially their front noses. I have had a Subaru, Toyota, Honda, and Toyota with a Dodge thrown in, and I am looking forward to buying a domestic in the near future.
By the way, I like Toyotas, Honda, Nissans, Mazdas, and Subarus while I am impressed with the Germans, but I can see the doestics being equal in ability and quality with the Japanese, and I just don’t like the reliability of the Germans, plus they are too expensive. I enjoy reading about new vehicles and developments, but I am amazed at how you guys go at each other. I don’t offer input very often so don’t bother slamming me because I won’t respond.

Autospeak
You are making way too much sense
And agreeing with me way too mcuh
I think it’s time you went to bed………..
DrFill

Bwahhahahaa ah hold on their DrFreeloader. Your always busy bashing Ford so shut up. You are not the voice of reason mkay. So shut up.

psiclone I have embarrassed you multiple times and still (Won’t die) you have the mouth to spew even more lies not FACTS or Truth the way I did!! Just the Facts! So no sir you did yourself a disservice further by lieing even more. GM and your antiquated and or archaic Syclone that Piece of Garbage. Thrown together with offical GMC Duct Tape and Crazy Glue will not be a vehicle to be remembered by the masses, but by impotent whimps like yourself. Ok lets roll out a 20 year old falling apart Syclone mkay 0-60 mph in 5.0 seconds and could do a quarter-mile run in 13.4 seconds at 98 mph. VS F-150 Lightning that ran 0-60 in 5.0 seconds flat and did the quarter mile in 12.9 So Hmmm it looks like the Heavier and beefier Lightning Wins this match afterall! Despite being vastly heavier. Go back to making your Mods on your pile of junk and when Ford Reintroduces the F-150 Lighting It’ll probably have 700 HP and do 0-60 in 3.3 and 1/4 in 10 seconds so go away and make the mods you’ll get beat anyway you try it. GMC-stands for Garage Mechanic Coming-because Driver too stupid to realize I’m a POS. Garbage Made in Canada. Take your pick.

oh yeah 380 HP Trumps 280 HP my friend

Ah but instead if beating your pathetic GMC Syclone in the Quarter mile by a mere .5 seconds. I think we should up the ante oh and get your Corvette ZR-1 if you wish we’ll beat that too! Because for starters we’lll go stock with a Mustang GT500 capable of 0-60 in 3.7 seconds and a 1/4 mile 11.4 Then we’ll upgrade to the 750 HP Mustang Supersnake 0-60 in 2.9 Seconds and 1/4 in 9.8 seconds see ya later alligator. Enjoy my taillights cause that is all your going to see!

Boys, boys.

Time to move to a new topic, please.

I can’t believe I’m doing this. Mark, I don’t mean any disrespect by adding another log on this fire but I cannot allow it to end with the misinformation BK09 posted above. I emphasize to all other readers BK09’s propensity for deceit. I also caution others to not do as I have and fall into the quicksand that is replying to people like BK09 or the NMOFs. Despite the fact that I’m usually the one saying not to feed them.

BK09, read the following information. Compare it to the blatant misinformation in your post above. Cry. Repeat until clean.

2000 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
0-60 = 5.5 to 6.5 sec.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_9912_2000_ford_f150_svt_lightning/performance.html

2001 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
0-60 = 5.2 sec.
1/4 mile = 13.8 sec.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/01q2/ford_svt_f-150_lightning-short_take_road_test

2003 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
0-60 = 5.2 sec.
1/4 mile = 13.7 sec.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/trucks/112_0306_2003_ford_f150_svt_lightning/index.html

Don’t forget. My truck’s technology is a full decade older. The key is traction, something the Lightning could never achieve. Hence, in a real-world light-to-light race, in which we’d never travel a full quarter-mile and potentially not reach 60 miles per hour, I have the advantage. It just so happens that my truck does its prime hunting at those lower speeds, thanks to the all-wheel drive.

Mark, if you’ve even bothered to read this, I again apologize for this last post. Had to clear up BK09’s bad information.