useless article. lets hear some news

America! **** yeah!

lol I don’t care about EPA ratings, I just want to see some performance #’s… 0-60, quarter mile, “gring” lap times. That’s what I want to see.

I won’t be bummed if I didn’t get my order in for the 2008 Nissan GT-R or Mustang Shelby Super Snake “725″+ Horsepower. I’ll just wait for 2009 is all. Because why go slower when you can go faster with the alternatives. Go American Go Ford!

News Flash FordTaurusForever… The Shelby Mustang GT500 is the heaviest thing around. And not even a 725hp Mustang could run with a ZR1. A Mustang GT500 can’t even outrun a stock Corvette. Go back to whacking off to your beloved Taurus…. That’s the only thing you’ll ever be driving.

American, Chevrolet, Thinks can compete against Euro & Jap bests, Don’t like it.

http://www.stangnet.com/Ford-Mustang-News/2008-Shelby-GT500-Super-Snake-071030.html
Haha… 0-60 4.4 seconds… 12.6 seconds @ the quarter mile It can’t even beat a bone stock Corvette. Pathetic FordTaurusForever, just like you.

I dig the way the Stang looks but god that is not as quick as the horsepower figures would leave you to believe now is it? Also I bet it handles like a rock.

Oh and the base 540hp Shelby GT500 King Snake starts out at $79,995. It cost more and is slower than a GT-R or ZO6. Talk about a great alternative right FordTaurusForever???

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/mustang_shelby_central/2008_ford_mustang_shelby_gt500kr_the_most_ridiculously_overpriced_mustang_ever_car_news

This one is for the ages.
And BTW, ****stangs shouldn’t even be compared against the great Corvettes.

You’re right, the Corvette has MUCH worse resale value. Those super high MSRP’s drop like a rock when it is a few years old.
PS-Which “great” Corvette ??

Hey nice car.

@Get Real: you could replace “Corvette” with “GT-R” and say the same thing.

1985’s Ford RS200 Evo would pwn the Corvette… 4WD, 0-60 in 3.06 (road version Evo, rally works was 2.8 I think and Pat Doran’s did 60mph in 1.8 seconds), so if a Ford from 1985 can do it, I don’t think Corvettes are much bother to Ford… It’s only Ford America that has trouble keeping up

The Mustang doesn’t come with a dorky plastic hood window.

GetReal, sorry the design of hood offends your sense of beauty, but you will not be able to see the dorky design from Mustang, only tail lights .

“Ford RS200 Evo would pwn the Corvette… 4WD, 0-60 in 3.06 (road version Evo, rally works was 2.8 I think and Pat Doran’s did 60mph in 1.8 seconds), so if a Ford from 1985 can do it, I don’t think Corvettes are much bother to Ford… It’s only Ford America that has trouble keeping up” lol yeah it’s easy to when you compare a totally different vehicle from 1985 that was race built and 4WD to a production Corvette huh?

I can do that too. It’s called the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo 427 Corvette. Also did 0-60 in 1.9 seconds and the quarter in 8.9… Anyone can post stuff like that. Actually what do you Brits have now in production that could run with this???? And spare me the Mclaren F1 or things from 1985, It’s now 2008.

“You’re right, the Corvette has MUCH worse resale value. Those super high MSRP’s drop like a rock when it is a few years old.
PS-Which “great” Corvette ??

Comment by Get Real, posted on May6 at 9:15 pm ”

Get Real – get a clue! The Corvette has one of the best resale values of any production car. Read it and educate your sorry self:

http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/autos/0711/gallery.2007_best_resale_value_top_10/index.html

Facts are brutal, aren’t they? :p

^well put z06ified!!

JohnnyBlazE,

The RS200 would be the killer app FORD needs in a supercar war. It comes off as a fairly easy to build car that could make street versions price even with the Lancer EVO and it would school the other rally cars out there. Plus it would be just about the right sports car for the times for FORD.

Put enough power in this pocket monster (about 400hp or so) and “Godzilla” would be left wanting another tummy tuck and booster of ‘roids. How do you beat a such a relatively tiny and fast AWD car?

A “serious” ThunderBird would be more for “normal” road racing, put some fire under the CORVETTE, and make another solid base for future performance development. Serious as in that 6.0L v-10 FORD developed for the Shelby Cobra Concept, formula derived suspension aero and braking, Supercar design evocative but not like the original Thunderbirds,

Add an RS500 revival, as a LINCOLN and could underpin a Fusion replacement with a version coupe baring the “Maverick” name, and FORD would be back in the car business giving BMW some heartburn come track day and TOYOTA headaches every other day.

BTW, building a new Maverick would leave the Mustang freer to move up scale or up market without totally alienating it fans.

Yes facts are…pick up a newspaper and read the classifieds.

The classifieds have prices for used Corvettes exactly as CNN listed. Perhaps you are ignorant as to what a Corvette costs new. Hint: they’re much less expensive than what Porsche charges for a 911 Turbo. Come on now, use your little brain.

its funny that GM talks about building 2000 of these for the “global” market. Lets be realistic, nobody in Europe and Asia will want to pay 6 figures for a chevy. It may be fast, it may have alot of exotic European made components, but its still a low tech chevy. People in Europe and Asia who can afford to spend a 100k on a car will gladly spend twice that much on a brand that has prestige and respect.

Hi everyone,

I appreciate the debate around the ZR1 and wanted to let you know we’re continuing with the development of the highest performing Corvette yet and we’re excited to see the results. We feel we’ve built the ultimate performance vehicle and we’re looking forward to getting the ZR1 into dealerships. Thanks again for all the interest!

Tadge Juechter
Chief Corvette Engineer

Why do they do this ****? Go through all the trouble to develop these cars then say “Were only going to make a handful so ya better line up now!” Who does this serve?? What is the point?

It serves the greedy dealers, and private owners who try and jack up the price DialM4Speed. lol Actually why does Ferrari only make a handful of each model? It comes down to being exclusive. While that’s hard to say for the Corvette because it really isn’t exclusive, it’s a very affordable sports car, cars that are produced in limited numbers become very sought after (that’s if they are successful) and they retain and hold their value as a result of it. Granted I don’t know how much of it’s 100k value a ZR1 will hold after 5 years, but it’ll retain it’s value somewhat above average, again depending on how many were made. But it’s just not because of that. It’s simple economics. When supply exceeds demand what happens? Prices fall? What happens when demand exceeds supply? Prices go up. Among many other reasons.

You buy it because you want it, not because you can sell it for more later.

Whether or not any car retains its value is immaterial to a real automobile lover.

You will but it if you want it, and can foot the bill for it.

Need for Speed you don’t know Jack.

Ok lets run through the numbers Boy.

Corvette @ Power

Corvette weight 3,350 lbs

Stock Corvette 400/436 HP -0-60 4.3 Seconds

Stock Ford Mustang weight 3950 Lbs- you were just spotted @ 600 Lbs advantage***

Stock Ford Mustang Shelby GT500KR- 0-60 3.9 Seconds.

Its ok Need4Speed you can scream their is no shame! Your Corvette just lost to a stock Mustang GT500KR.

So no you go chop your litte pencil dick off ok. ok that weighs 600 Lbs more than your stock vette.But with an extra 104 Horses on tap you can over come that!

The base GT500 eh… I here ya on that one biased Chevy lover one tenth of a second difference NOT! A STOCK CAN ALSO Do 0-60 in 4.3 Second so where is your advantage??? Hmm you got none. Its a Tie! ANd the Mustang wins with the right tires bring the numbers down to 4.0 seconds 0-60.

Now lets take this a little further shall we.
Corvette @ 505 HP 0-60 3.7 Seconds
Mustang Super Snake 600 HP 3.7 Seconds.

Hmmm it looks like a tie again. Now lets up the ante shall we.

Corvette ZR1 @ 620 HP 0-60 3.2
Mustang Shelby Super Snake @ 725+ HP 0-60 2.9 Seconds!.

Hmmm look who the winner is and who lost. Mustang RULES!
I think you can go home and play with your two best friends! LMAO

Incidentally the last Mustang has been scaled over 800 HP

Funny how FordTaurusHumper doesn’t like to put the “base” Mustang V8 up against the base Corvette…. he always likes to skew the lineups to prove some point that doesn’t really exist in the first place. He has to take the top of the line (albeit, limited) Mustang and puts it against the base Corvette… then he has to take a rarer, special limited edition Mustang tuned by someone else to put up against the Z06…. then he has to take an even rarer, extremely limited edition Mustang to put it against the yet to be released ZR1.

And the reason the point doesn’t even exist is because Mr. “Apples to Apples” FTF fails to realize that the Mustang is neither in the same category, nor especially the same league as the Corvette. The only time the words Mustang and Corvette are put in the same sentence in any serious connotation are in FTF’s own head.

When the Camaro comes out, then you’ll have a proper GM car to do one of your little comparisons.

Need4Speed, don’t forget the RS200 was actually a production car, and I bet you it would still kill it in Pat Doran’s rallycross form in a rallycross race.

His Cossie powered Ford Fiesta does 60 in 1.9 and gets to 100 quicker than a Veyron

JohnnyBlazE,

Agreed.

WRC rules were built around production cars not one-off race cars. Though you got more rarefied as you went up in class. B-Class cars were pretty limited production, I think only 5000 units total. Certainly not a WRX or Lancer EVO in production numbers. Even given roughly equal horsepower.

Unlike with the Shelby Cobra, I am really surprised that their are not reproductions and kit cars of the RS200 all over. This car would school anything. As much dune buggy and street racer, it would be nearly impossible to beat even today. Anywhere, anytime, indeed.

FordTaurusForever (#28),

Some of your numbers are wrong. either that or you need to be more specific. these figure compare analogous models. If you want to put the include the Shelby Tuned cars then you would need to include CORVETTE tuners as well. I’ll stop with the OEM Factory cars and tuners.

C6 Corvette
Curb Weight: (standard) 3078lbs, (Z06) 3132lbs, (ZR-1) 3350lbs
Engine power: (Std.) 400hp, (Z06) 505hp, (ZR-1) 638hp

Gen5 Mustang
Curb weight: (LX) 3350lbs, (GT) 3480lbs, (GT500) 3920lbs
Engine power: (V6) 210hp, (GT-V8) 300hp, (GT500) 500hp

In all this, the CORVETTE is lighter faster, better designed for speed, handling, agility and so on. FORD cut some very important corners they won’t be able to cut next time around, such as using SLA, the cool but “not too good for performance” styling.

The truth is that FORD needs to build a real sports car… a perennial sports car not another limited run car that we will barely recall or care about two years later. the MERCURY MESSENGER was a step in the right direction. We have all been discussing a CORVETTE fighting THUNDERBIRD for a while now, because while the MUSTANG is good, it just doesn’t cut it against real sports cars like the CORVETTE.

The MUSTANG is painfully a Muscle car and really should not be compared against anything but other muscle cars. It just is not in the same class. When the Camaro comes out the Mustang will have to come around really fast, because it will not have much of a power advantage and will not have handling either.

That is why I am all for a “Maverick” to cover the Mustang’s entry level clientèle, freeing the car to move further up the ladder. If FORD wants to make the excuse that they had to use SLA because it cost less, one they sorely misunderstand “economy of Scale” they could have done something with the Cougar (a higher level content variant), built the Interceptor of the 427 and so on to divest costs.

FORD is coming back but is not there yet. But knowing them they’ll get cold feet just at the point of taking the big step into greatness and either build something stupid or not build something good at all.

Yeah JohnnyBlazE, I failed to research that it was a production car. Very impressive car indeed. Way ahead of its time. You remember the Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak? Also a crazy fast rally car!

Thank you Blakkarr, oh and yeah FTF I saw that the 725hp Mustang Shelby Cobra 500KR King snake does 60 in 3.7 seconds, but also will cost you about 100k and you it’s ok the only people that believe your stats are you because you made them up in your head.

“Corvette ZR1 @ 620 HP 0-60 3.2″
“Mustang Shelby Super Snake @ 725+ HP 0-60 2.9 Seconds!.”

Seeing that the Corvette ZR1 hasn’t produced official performance times you have no way of knowing that and it has 638hp you dumbass, and yeah

And your Super Snake will never do 60 in 2.9 seconds unless it had 1000+ and was being fed on a bottle, it’s kinda like how your 500lbs mom can’t run? Get how that works?