Well said.

Dodge Ram SRT-10 [proud owner]
Lamborghini Murcielago
Bentley Arnage
Dodge Durango 4.7 V8 4WD
Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 V8 4WD
Maybach 57S
Hummer H2
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
Ford F-250 Super Duty 5.4 V8 4WD
GMC Yukon XL 2500 4WD
Volkswagen Touareg V8
Chevrolet Suburban 2500 4WD

[Source: ACEEE's Green Book Online via MSN Autos]

Yep, let’s give them more ammunition to take all of the greatest machines ever created off the road. Then we can all go down to our local Honda dealership, buy gray Honda Civic Hybrids, and all smile and wave at the pretty trees and birds.

Are you serious? You’re talking a massive undertaking that would take quite an economic feat for some people. Not everyone can afford to trade in their 1985 Oldsmobile in for a 2000 Chevrolet. Not everyone has such sparkling credit that enables them to just ditch their old car in favor of a new one. To top that off, not everyone wants to take on another vehicle payment.

And furthermore, not everyone *likes* newer automobiles. The most fun I had in a car was in my dad’s 1957 Plymouth Belvedere running a 318 and a push button automatic. It rode better, tracker straighter and ran smoother than any of the new cars I’ve been in, from Nissan Sentras to Honda Civics to the new Malibu to the Prius – heck, not even some luxury cars ride as nice as the older machines do.

howsmydriving, one thing you’ve got to take into consideration in the “old car legislation” is that not everyone is convinced that they need to submerge themselves in debt to contribute to the environment. I, for one, am one of those people.

I would like stat on something the avg joe can afford and not something that can cost more than a house

I will add this to my argument:

Whether you believe human activity is to blame for Global warming or not; Mother Nature does not need any help.

Just because you can not fathom the sheer amount and types of pollution Human civilization produces does not mean it does not exist. Again even if you don’t believe what others say, believe your own experience. When did the rains not come when you thought or in the quantities they would? When did Winter become so short and mild (If you are in Canada or North of the Mason-Dixon you might not notice that as easily)? Why are the storms coming on so frequently and/or so strong?

“Don’t believe what people say when they say the sky is falling. Look up for yourself.”

Scientists, Farmers, and at least average observant people, will tell you the same thing, in effect, “the sky is falling.”

“God gave you a brain to think, not to drink.”

Science is based in observation and deductive reason. It is not a religion. Faith and miracles have nothing to do with it. Leave your “casual mysticism” in you church, temple, masque, or synagogue. Far smarter people than you will figure out the “why”, but you can observe and see that there is a “what”. There is no faith but the faith that you will find the answer before it is too late.

When one side of extremely smart people give you a long drawn out reason why a thing is and the other side can only say “no, it’s not”, listen to the long drawn out explanation. At least, the smart people said something useful.

BTW, I think they tagged VW’s diesel engines and larger engines, like the one in the Veyron. They are extremely good, but not really the cleanest. Crappy? Not! Clean? They could be worse. It really has more to do with the fuel itself. Bio-Diesel is best but low-sulfur Diesel will do as well to fix much or the problem.

With that said, this goes back to the comment about vw’s crappy engines….
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!!! and it shows on that stupid biased comment

Are you trying to be funny or just stupid? If you have no idea how Global Warming works then you really have no place commenting about. Mindless skepticism is no replacement for actual knowledge or intelligence. Subscribing to obvious propaganda speaks poorly of you, as well.

Earth’s atmosphere is composed of numerous gases, mostly nitrogen (Or else everything would catch fire like dry California Brush in a lightning storm). Among those gases, Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is an insulating gas. The more insulation you have the more heat you retain. Much like a green house, such that the glass retains heat while letting in light, hence the original name for this phenomenon, “The Green House Effect”.

The Sun heats the Earth but normally most of that heat it reflecting into space by polar ice and dense cloud cover. However, CO2 captures more of this heat energy raising the temperature of the planet. It is not outrageous change but the “little” changes, the average person can observe in daily life, like the altering of rain patterns and severity of storms and the shortening or blurring of Seasons. Other effects like melting polar caps and mountain ice and snow caps are also endemic of this problem and further contribute by exposing bare rock and comparatively dark open ocean to the sun so they capture more heat causing further climatic shift.

It is true that pursuing greener, less polluting, technologies is a way to make money. However, it is spurred on by the consumer who now, after years and numerous attempts to hide the truth until it perhaps too late, either out of economic or politic convenience, knows the truth of the situation, wishing for a cure-all but often willing to settle for doing some small part in, at the very least, keeping things from getting worse.

The trick is to make sure you are actually polluting less. On the whole, a Prius is more polluting than an H2.

But it is not always easy to get the facts in a world where it is easier to fall for double talk than to listen to straight talk. That likely why you bought that Mock-umentary.

“Do better because better is there to do.”
“Don’t believe it what people say when they say the sky is falling. Look up for yourself.”
“God gave you a brain to think, not to drink.”

@C6Racer: LOL! I love satire. You’re cool, man.

Does one weighing in at 350 lbs put out more “pollutants” than say one that weighs 175?

So maybe a person weighing in at 175 lbs would be qualified to drive the Veyron, while one weighing in at 350 lbs should really be driving a Miata?

Silly.

A light entertaining read:

http://www.firetop.co.uk/2006/11/15/cut-co2-emissions-stop-breathing/

DB9

DB9

PS. For CO2 Please read up on and/or google the Earths Carbon Cycle

i live in CA and i know this state is a real ball buster. but everyone else gets off WAY too easy