As much as I’m not into jap cars, gotta give them props. They seem to be the only ones actually taking realistic steps towards alternate technology for cars, and now they seem to be cracking the performance cookie with it as well. Two thumbs up!

What would real world fuel economy be with this? Will the fuel savings be worth the extra weight?

the FT-HS? the LF-A looks more supra…this site has some sketches by many sites about it http://www.2008toyotasupra.net/

Weight is the issue. I’ll believe 0-60 in 4 seconds when I see it. I don’t see any way this car will weight less than 3,200 lbs., and it’ll need at least 400hp to hit 0-60 in 4 seconds at 3,200 lbs.

A 400hp hybrid powertrain and less than 3,200 lbs. for $30k-$40k?? I highly doubt it.

Wickedated – Serious question… How is this a realistic step? Say it gets 25mpg, how is that a realistic step? That’s the same mileage as any non-hybrid vehicle. This car is pandering at it’s worst. If this car is a realistic step, then I would say the Vette is too.

agreed piablo^^^^^^ all hype, not to say its a pos, but its just a bandaid over a bullet wound. lotus has the realistic idea of a lighter car with a small motor that hauls ass. but there will be a market for this.

I hear Brad Pitt has already ordered one…

Piabolo, you nailed this one. What is the point of a 25 mph hybrid if it isnt a school bus? Pandering, you bet!

Z06ified, the Hybrid part of the equation really skews the hp figures. Electric motors generate crazy torque so a 4 second 0-60 could be doable. The car will suffer on the top end though where the hybrid won’t have the motor of a Mustang or Vette.

Also don’t forget that Toyota is the one current car company that could reasonably make a niche car at a loss and not hurt its bottom line. So selling a 50-60k car at 30-40k to steal Market share from the Mustang,Camaro, 350z, RX-8 and WRT-sti could actually be a positive step.

Wickedata is talking about ALTERNATE technology….which a small motor is not. If they can make this thing go from 0-60 in 4.0 seconds AND get 25mpg AND use less emissions, how is that bad?

It’s called torque not economy, electric motors make torque and a lot of it, electric motors tend to produce maximum torque at close to zero rpm, with the torque diminishing as rotational speed rises. This thing will get to 60 in four seconds, I have no doubt about that. My question is how it will handle since it will likely be a pig.

This car won’t look anything like the concept model. They’ll have to make too many changes. I’m sure it’ll still look great, and I won’t complain about another sports car on the market. You can never have too many

Joseph – it will get 20-25mpg, if that. So for every mile driven this car will still be putting out the same emissions as any other car. The Vette, for each mile driven is cleaner achieving higher mileage. Why do I bring the Vette up? Because the Vette is not considered an environmental achievement by any means. So why would this car?

Jonstew – If it’s about torque and performance, then why not turbo or supercharge? They certainly weigh alot less than batteries and electric motors and cost less as well.

My point, this car fails no matter what. Economy or performance. As CTS Driver stated, Lotus is a bit more on the ball with high performance if economy AND power are to be achieved.

Ah so wicked date you are an idiot american. Who only hopes to get laid someday.

Japan is doing something that people of the world want and more importantly what they need to exist. You see my friend there are two things in life. Wants and Needs. You are a constant begger. Who always wants something, but in reality you don’t need to have it.
That is why americans are so wasteful. They speak out of both sides of their mouthes.

Let me show you dumbass. American build high horsepower cars and blah blah blah and your everything- that is if you have money- but if you don’t have the money and you still buy your gas gulping SUV or High Perf Car with 400 HP then your really stupid!

But then there are smart americans who listen to the news and buy accordingly to the price of gas(which effects their wallet) while others feel chained to the “Buy American” loyalty theme but do not realize who they are supporting in their american car company or why?, yet their car companies eat more gas than Japanese and Korean cars and trucks.

So in Japan we take the environment seriously. Instead of talking about it we do something about it. And Voila we build something that makes perfect sense. And therefore, If you build a performance car in mind why not build one that is also good for the environment instead of trashing it. I would be willing to bet the Toyota FT-HS our New Sports car will be in production long after your american contemporaries like the Firebird stay extinct instead of trying to rise from the ashes like the Camaro which will become extinct permanantly again shortly after its reintroduce. You know what I mean Z06! It will beat your vette not only at the pump but in real terms. When your vette is fueling at the Pump fueling is gas guzzling 505 HP engine- I will be miles down the road now who really is ahead me or you. Ah sooo. I think me. So I win. Sooo sorry!

Piablo, torque at nearly zero RPM not at 3000RPM like a turbo and not a parasite like a supercharger….has it been done yet, no, the car will be quick. This car may fail in your mind but I guess I am more open minded and want to see how it comes out from handling to acceleration to fuel economy.

400hp and 25mpg, I’ve seen that all before, it’s called a Corvette.

And if electric motors are producing instant torque, then even with its tiny ass motor the Prius shouldn’t be taking 10 seconds to hit 60mph.

that car looks like a vette and a lambo sleep together and thats its offspring

sorry slepted lolol

Sorry flying sukahara hybrids are not exactly carbon friendly from a manufacturing standpoint.
and you started off sounding like you had a really good point, but pretending the z06 gets terrible mileage just ruined it and shows how much misinformation you must be getting in japan. like the fact you said your cars and trucks eat less gas than american cars trucks and left out the horrendous european mileage for its sports cars (i have a jap truck myself and love it but its horrible on gas)when we all know the new gm trucks lead the market in mileage (not to mention the ford ranger also has had the best fuel mileage in the compact truck segment for a few years now).
and why the american bashing again? dont be biased just against americans while europe is just as bad.
there are a lot of factors we do not know about this car yet (weight is one of them)so everybody lets not go comparing an unbuilt car still in planning to cars driving today.

PrimeGTP, if you don’t think electric motors produce instant torque you need to look it up! The Prius uses a CVT and is aimed squarely at ecomomy, this car is not and will use a larger electric motor anyway. No where in the article does it state what the projected fuel economy will be.

I can not understand why people think it is so bad for a company to try something new….****, it’s a good thing the rest of the world does not have the mentality of a lot of the people on this board….we’d all still be doing math on an abacus since no one wants to find out how or if something else will work!

wickeddata i guess you missed all the articles about the Volt, and have failed to see the Escape Hybrid ford has, on top of their new Diesel development center, and the Saturn Greenline’s, as well as all the diesel production the europeans are pushing. Hybrids arent all theyre cracked up to be, and diesel is the best solution for the immediate future.

PrimeGTP and A4 – thanks.

Jonstew – You can be as open minded all you want. But the facts are already out there. You’re right, the Prius is aimed squarely at economy and the best it can do is 41mpg average. So what does that say about this car? You can hope for great fuel economy just as you can put your hand on the hot stove to see if it’s warm. Or, you can listen to the people who already have the facts. I’m not shooting down your optimism or willingness to push alternatives, your efforts could simply be applied more effectively elsewhere, like a series hybrid without the batteries. As far as your ideas on turbos though, you’d have a real hard time selling that to Porsche. I think they’d disagree, and prove it.

Flying Sukuhara – Looks like you bought a copy of Idiot’s Guide To The English Language. Not sure what the point of your rambling was, but I think it would be better directed towards me, not Wickedated.

Jon, I know electric motors produce instant torque, that’s an undeniable fact. Getting it through the tranny and to the wheels is another story, though. I haven’t seen anything promising yet, and I won’t be convinced until I see it. Hybrids have already been proven completely false on environmental benefits, half-false on the 60mpg claims and such, so I don’t hold much hope for them to be proven performance-capable.

All this talk about mileage and none about styling. Am I then only one who thinks this thing is ugly? Maybe the hp/mileage guys are just happy to have a fast more stylish Prius. A new Supra this is not!

Flying Sukahara,

Sure, sometimes American cars have high horsepower but it’s usually the older models that people like with those monstrous engines up to 7.0L. Not everyone drives those. A lot of the others with 500 bajillion horsepower are self-built hotrods. There aren’t that many such cars sold in droves to the public any longer, despite what popular advertising may tell you.

Personally, I like the Japanese philosophy concerning horsepower, weight and engine displacement. I wish we had more of that here in all model segments instead of just the Toyota Corrolla, Camry and Honda Civic. There is plenty you have over there that we aren’t allowed to buy here that is MUCH better than a new Ford Mustang.

We are talking about a Supra, however, so I will wait until I see the results of the JGTC500 in a couple of years with Toyota competeing with THIS CAR with THIS engine with all its batteries and electric motors and extra weight before I pay it much attention.

In general, smaller is the future and midsize is the new fullsize.

Flying Sukahara…first off, your English sucks, go find a Japanese forum where people actually can understand everything you are trying to get accross. Second, Tokyo ranks as one of the highest pollution producing cities in the world. Third, Japan makes good family sedans, but they don’t make great sportscars with the exception of 2 or 3 models you can possibly consider as great…unlike the Americans or Europeans who have produced dozens of great sports cars. Lastly, Americans aren’t dumb we are actually quite inovative…I can’t remember but isn’t it the Americans who figured out how to split the atom?

^^^^ouch

I have to side with Jonstew, Joseph, and Wickedated.

Okay, so you’re saying that if it goes 0-60 in 4 seconds, and gets 25mpg (I’m using 25mpg only because you pessimistic guys threw it out there) for 40k they shouldn’t do it because the Corvette can do the same thing?!?! BULL****! I don’t care if it costs more for them to develope, and aparently, neither do they. It’s a halo car for Toyota, you gonna tell Dodge not to build the Chanllenger because it isn’t practical? It’s a new technology, which means it can only get better…the technology in the Corvette is ancient…proven, and i love the Corvette…but it’s nothing new. Another thing is that this will get whatever mpg in the city, where as the Corvette gets them cruising at low rpms… How often will many of you guys cruise across country in your Corvette?? I think the Corvette mpg is great, but it’s going to be different than this car. Those bashing on the Prius…it’s a VERY spacious car that gets 41 mpg. There’s big difference between driving aroud in a Prius and a Yaris. The Prius is no compromise and has more space than most other cars it’s size. Again, it’s highest mpg is in the city, which is useful for A LOT of people. Another thing is that Toyota is responding to demand!
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Bottom line, just because it’s different doesn’t mean it has to have groundbreaking results to have a point. Keeping up is good enough for brand new tech. They’re doing something interesting for the sake of doing something interesting, that’s the nature of high performance cars.
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And don’t assume that Toyota isn’t also working on other technology such as fuel cell, lighter cars, etc.

^^^^^ nice one lotus, good post^^^^^^ i would get 1mpg in a corvette just so i could hear the enging roar and smell tiresmoke. im sure this toyota wont set records but it will be the smoothest quietest sports car ever.
i think most people are stuck on the style of the prius but toyota has given them traditional options like the hybrid camry.
and true this is only good for the industry, mabey there will be a high performance plug in volt option down the road after toyota paves the way.

Thanks, CTS.

Yeah, I think it can only be good for the industry too…even if it completely just bombs, at least somebody did it.

Piablo, “the facts are already out there” what facts are those? This car has not been produced yet and you are trying to use the Prius as a benchmark for what a performance car will do. I know the Prius does not meet the EPA estimates (which are not assigned by Toyota or any other manufacturer) neither but neither do any of the cars I drive. There is no mention whatsoever of what kind of hybrid this car will be only that it will use the same electric motor that is used in GS450h. I am not going to argue with you anymore as you have made up your closed mind on what you guess this car will be and perform like. I know plenty about turbos, likely much more than yourself (how many 400 all wheel horsepower torbo charged cars have you built?)….if we were talking about a Toyota that is going to cost the same as a 911 TT then I could see your point but dual ballbearing twin turbo setups are costly and complex and this is going to be a 40K car.

“Also don’t forget that Toyota is the one current car company that could reasonably make a niche car at a loss and not hurt its bottom line.”
Yes, but that is not part of Toyota’s business model. They’ll sell a model at a lost in the short term if they believe there is a larger market for it in the future that will enable them to make a profit a few years down the road (e.g. the Prius). Hybrid economy sedans are a potential large market. Hybrid sports cars? I just don’t see that as a huge money making segment, ever. Unless they think it will have a halo effect for the entire company, which is possible.

“So selling a 50-60k car at 30-40k to steal Market share from the Mustang,Camaro, 350z, RX-8 and WRT-sti could actually be a positive step.” Comment by Jazz, posted on May10 at 10:02 am

I’m not so sure buyers of those cars would be very interested in a hybrid sports car. Buyers of V-8 Mustangs and Camaro’s are interested in the car’s styling and V-8 performance and sound, and for the most part really don’t care much about fuel economy or eco-friendliness. 350z and RX8 buyers are more interested in handing, styling, and bang for the buck. I highly doubt Toyota will be able to build a hybrid sports car that will handle better than those cars, given the inherent weight problem with hybrids, and Toyota’s history of building mediocre-handling cars in recent years.

Jonstew – Batteries, electric motor, and the systems needed to govern them = $5000 and an additional 800lbs in weight. Turbo setup, the same cost, maybe even cheaper, less than 100lbs, with 100hp gain. Nuff said.

If it weighs 3200lbs with 400hp it should pull better times than 4seconds. That thing is weighing about 3500lbs. A stock G weighs about 3500lbs and only 280hp pulling about 4.5secs 0-60. Don’t know if they’re just making up numbers to keep everything a secret, but those numbers just don’t seem right to me.

Sorry guys…I tried to say 0-60 in 5.5sec! Wtf am I smoking?

im thinking it will be priced similarly to the new skyline GT-R, $40,000 is just far too cheap to have all the things that it says it will have. 2009 is just around the corner so its not that long of a wait.

” You know what I mean Z06! It will beat your vette not only at the pump but in real terms. When your vette is fueling at the Pump fueling is gas guzzling 505 HP engine- I will be miles down the road now who really is ahead me or you. ” Comment by Flying Sukahara, posted on May10 at 11:09 am

I don’t have a 505hp Z06. That one gets 26 MPG on the highway, and about 21 MPG average. Hardly a gas guzzler, and I’m willing to bet this Toyota hybrid sports car won’t do much better if at all, with substantially less horsepower.

I have an ‘02 Z06 with 450hp thanks to a few bolt-on mods that not only increased its horsepower, but also improved its fuel efficiency. It gets 33 MPG on the highway, and 25 MPG average city/highway. When it was stock, it got 28 MPG on the highway with 405 hp.

If the Toyota hybrid sports car can do better than that, I’ll be impressed. But if the hybrid Lexus LS600h is any indicication, it will be a miserable failure at improving fuel efficiency in this application.

“Ah sooo. I think me. So I win. Sooo sorry!”

I think you’re a rambling idiot. So sorry for you indeed!

Go bow down to your rising sun. I’ve gotta drive home in my 450hp 33mpg Z06.

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“I’m not so sure buyers of those cars would be very interested in a hybrid sports car. Buyers of V-8 Mustangs and Camaros are interested in the cars styling and V-8 performance and sound, and for the most part really don’t care much about fuel economy or eco-friendliness. 350z and RX8 buyers are more interested in handing, styling, and bang for the buck. I highly doubt Toyota will be able to build a hybrid sports car that will handle better than those cars, given the inherent weight problem with hybrids, and Toyotas history of building mediocre-handling cars in recent years.”
Good points Z06.
I think Homeboy was also correct that this may be the precursor of a Supra fighter. I think that Toyota will offer the car in a Base config (3.5 v6) , eco friendly (3.5v6 hybrid) and a turbo to compete with the GT-R.

Basically the Supra has enough Fast abd Furious fanboys that will buy it regardless. 2009 will see the Camaro Challenger (2008 but still fresh), Nissan GT-R and this? What a good year for auto enthusiasts

I’m impressed Z06

Flying Sukahara
Too bad the Supra will never have the racing heritage of the Vette though Sure the JGTC is cool but American Lemans and Lemans 24hr is better. I may not be a Vette fanboy but don’t try to dismis it and what it has accomplished in automotive history. Now enough feeding the troll.

“If it weighs 3200lbs with 400hp it should pull better times than 4seconds.”

Nah – the ‘02 Z06 I have weighs 3,150 lbs. with 405hp and did 3.9 seconds 0-60 when stock (published times), and that’s pushing it (power shifting, etc.).

“A stock G weighs about 3500lbs and only 280hp pulling about 4.5secs 0-60.”
Comment by njg35, posted on May10 at 2:26 pm

I know you corrected this to 5.5 seconds, and while it’s probably been done before, the 280hp InfinitiG35 coupe 6MT is a 5.7 second 0-60 car realistically. Many auto magazines tested it, and consistently got 5.7 0-60. I used to own an ‘03 so I know first hand

“im thinking it will be priced similarly to the new skyline GT-R, $40,000 is just far too cheap to have all the things that it says it will have. 2009 is just around the corner so its not that long of a wait.”

Comment by homeboy234, posted on May10 at 2:30 pm

That’s the most sensible post homeboy234 has ever made. I’m shocked!

piablo, you are crazy if you think a cast iron exhaust manifold, cast iron downpipe, 2nd cat, turbo, intercooler and piping will only weigh 100lbs and that is if it’s air to air which it likely would not be…. You are talking about a car you know nothing about and instead of thinking “I’ll see what happens when it comes out” you are condemming it with no good or real reason.

Hmm, that’s interesting, Piablo. I’ve heard terrible things about the way miners live. Actually, I’ve also heard that more polution is sent into the atmosphere making hybrid cars than in an SUV’s entire lifetime of poluting. So I won’t dissagree that hybrids aren’t really helping the situation–at least not right now. Problem is that the consumers don’t really care..at least in the case of the Prius, they’re saving money and time, and controversial reports seem to be swept under the rug.
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Anyway, I still think it’s a cool idea simply because it’s a new technology, and I think that if it can keep up with proven methods, that’s enough…without having to shatter them. From a scientific point of view anyway. I believe there will be pros and cons to owning this car as opposed to a Corvette.
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But I acknowledge that hybrids do not seem to be the way forward…at least not right now.

“I don’t have a 505hp Z06. That one gets 26 MPG on the highway, and about 21 MPG average. Hardly a gas guzzler, and I’m willing to bet this Toyota hybrid sports car won’t do much better if at all, with substantially less horsepower.

I have an ‘02 Z06 with 450hp thanks to a few bolt-on mods that not only increased its horsepower, but also improved its fuel efficiency. It gets 33 MPG on the highway, and 25 MPG average city/highway. When it was stock, it got 28 MPG on the highway with 405 hp. “”

First off were the F**K did this 25mpg talk come from? there was absolutely no milleage posted in the article….

secondly, this is a hybrid engine, which generally speaking gets 25-30% more mpg then a conventional vehicle.

you say your 450hp Z06 can get 33mpg highway?? then you can bet your friggen ass this toyota is going to get high 30’s to mid 40’s..

Methinks Flying Fukka-whorah has some hate he needs to vent at the Shrink-san’s office.

I also am not particularly impressed with hybrids (a decent Honda Civic does about as well as a Prius) and the concept of 0-60 in 4 seconds plus 25mpg is yesterday’s news. But … if Toyota brings this performance to the market at 30k to 40k, then they one-upped the Corvette which is a pretty pricey item anymore.

With regard to styling, this is just a standard dated Nouveau-Gobot look but since Toyota can put stylistic **** on wheels and sell it, this will be all over the road too.

high 30`s without a doubt but i also doubt it will beat the 41 that the prius gets.

STOP SAYING 25MPG there was NO mention of milage. God damn!!

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Ricardo, I agree that price is key. Especially with the next-gen GT-R, Espirit, NSX, Corvette, etc ALL coming out within 2 model years of eachother.

A couple of points here:
First off, I like the styling. It’s definitely Toyota, and it’s definitely eye-catching and different than almost anything on the road.

Performance wise, it may do no better 0-60 or MPG (but we don’t know for sure yet, do we?) than a Z06….. but that costs quite a bit more than this cars estimated price point.

As the electric portion of this drivetrain improves in future models, so will the efficiency, much faster than the combustion engine portion. Applaud Toyota for the fact that they are trying to move on in this direction, when most companies have not even attempted to scratch the surface.

As far as weight, I have read about this car elsewhere, and have heard that they are considering a lot of lightweight materials, even going so far as to use carbon fiber for the WHEELS. (but this idea makes you question the price point again.)

For those who want to say that guys who like v-8’s won’t buy this car, you’re right. Some people are unrealistically attached to the throaty growl (which I myself enjoy) and insist that they have a combustion engine that has exactly 8 big cylinders in it. But more importantly, I like my cars fast and could ultimately care less if they can deliver their quoted speed/power at the quoted price.

Piablo, why are you worried about nickel mines? They also did not mention anything about Nickel Metal Hydride batteries, so this is just speculation. They may be using Lithium Ion, and don’t get me started about a lithium shortage, we (earth) have plenty of it we just haven’t found a cost effective way to mine and refine it yet.

AND FINALLY FOR FLYING SUKAHARA:

How dare you call us a bunch of gas-guzzling, know-nothings who care nothing about the environment (I’m paraphrasing) just because a Japan-based car company has a HYBRID sports car? Perhaps someone should remind you about a little American car company called Tesla, that makes an ALL-ELECTRIC sports car.(which, BTW is just as fast as this, is built on a modified Lotus chassis and is closer to production than this is). If we’re only going to compare one car to an entire country’s offerings, then I submit the Tesla Roadster. When Toyota makes something more efficient, call me.

You lost me at “jap cars”. What kind of redneck meatball would say that post-1942? Unreal. Then everyone piles up on Sukahara for his/her hybrid comments? What a bunch of weirdos. Let’s have some more everyone-that-drives-a-Prius-is-gay comments, or everyone-that-drives-a-Subaru-is-gay comments. Yeee’uh, knuckle-draggin’ dirt-hick redneck Ameri’kuns.
Fire up the General Lee boys, I think I saw a darkie a’talkin’ to a white girl..

Zero – Why am I worried about nickel mines? Do a search for Sudbury, Canada. And read up on the process of smelting. It’s not a pretty thing. Toyota has already said lithium Ion is a long way out. The Tesla is suppose to have a lithium ion, that car is not ready for the public either. I’m sure it will be once they figure out how to keep the pack from blowing up. Just think how warm your cell phone gets from talking on it… amplify that for a car…

Everyone else – 25mpg is MY estimate. It’s an educated estimate considering what the similarly equiped Lexus GS450h gets. It’s also a logical deduction…The Prius only gets 41mpg average and that vehicle is meant to achieve very high standards. I’ll meet everone back here when the real numbers come out, see how close I am.

I appreciate Lotusfire’s intellectual honesty. Some others could benefit from this… I’m not trying to bash this car per se, I like the way it looks, and I like Toyota. I happen to really like the V8 that’s in this car. However, hybrid cars with batteries are not the answer to any problem, performance, economy or environment. There are other ways. If you are wondering why I don’t care for hybrids, I have detailed it out in my comments above. If you still don’t understand, I don’t know what else to tell ya.

All you Corvette guys, how do you pull off 25mpg in the city? I’m in a Buick Lacrosse rental and in 5 miles of stop-and-go everyday, I’m doing about 22.3 or so. That is me being extremely conservative with acceleration, coasting a lot and even using neutral.

For me, a hybrid is the best option because it’d operate in electric mode most of the commute.

Lacrosse is a totally different car with a totally different engine. The Corvette pulls off nice mileage because of low weight (for a V8 sports car) and low drag.

^ Displacement on demand

DoD as well, but that’s really only good for something like a 6% economy increase. It’s the Vette’s advanced design that really shines.

The Corvette is EPA Rated (old system) at 17 and 25, but because of it’s efficient design, something more cars Could use, hearing it pull off 30+ MPG does not surprise me. after all these are people counting how much they put in the car and how far they went with it.

Toyota, as I have said before is using Hybrid technology as a replacement for Turbos and Superchargers. They weigh more and cost more and they don’t add to the cars maximum performance, in fact they hinder it. But what Parallel Hybrids do is give instant and incredible acceleration, assuming th motors are very powerful. But then again the motors, Like a turbo or supercharger may only be boosting the smaller engine.

At slower speeds the motors could be useful to extend F/econ, for not considering what one has to go though to get one of the cars built (This may also apply to the VOLT so I’m not taking sides here), but Hybrids need batteries. Those batteries are typically highly toxic things, made in specialized facilities far from were the car will be sold. Those batteries must be shipped. Shipped takes a enormous amount of fuel, considering Toyota makes its batteries and ships them from JAPAN.

Those batteries typically CAN NOT be recycled so they have to be disposed of somehow when they wear out, more pollution and worse pollution. They are made with Heavy metals that defy recycling. Lithium ION/polymer/Magnesium batteries can be recycled but do have their safety issues (Li-Mg batts not so much).

In recent studies comparing a Prius to an H2, the H2 was far less polluting than the Prius because of the extremely inefficient manufacture and shipping of the Prius. The actually F/econ relative to the manufacturing shipping and so on was more like 5 MPG, Remember this includes shipping the batteries from JAPAN then all over the country to build the cars in the US, as opposed to the H2s 9 MPG.

It will require some looking in to, but I’m sure GM is aware of theses studies and will try to reduce the VOLT’s impact with more efficient manufacturing and shipping.

I’m also interested in Z06ified’s City MPGs too.

Z06ified- would you post your add ons? I for one am curious how you were able to extend the range on your Vette.

the supra was such an ugly car… why would we want it back?

V-series,

Which year are you talking about? Last version of the Supra was a beautiful car, with good but questionable performance (a C4 took turns better). It is still a very evocative name and I think well worth bringing back.

In fact, they are but the car they peg as the next Supra (That one looks sweet too) is more in line to compete with the Standard C6 Corvette in terms of performance and price (But not the Z06 forget the SS/”Blue Devil”/Z07). Sadly when the Supra does ship, if in that form, It’ll be behind the C7, which is said to base with specs on par with C6 Z06. If the FT-HS can make with Handling, it could be a solid runner though it’s max speed and/or braking could suffer (I expect a car that weighs in at around 3500 lbs at least)

Who gives a damn about this POS vehicle anyway? Fugly!

The last Supra was the only one that I would remotely consider a “sports” car, with styling that has recently been aped by the Ferrari 599GTB Fiorano! The first Supra was simply a stretched 6-cylinder Celica, and the second was a bloated, 280Z 2+2-like tourer with clear bodyside moldings! :0

I’d like to see a new Supra that competes in size, performance and price with the Z and RX-8, which would rule out a V8 hybrid.. but then again, shouldn’t that be reserved for the $100K Lexus variant of this platform instead?

i agree with other, this thing is stupid. the added weight isnt worth the hybridness. a hybrid sportscar is retared. any reasonably light weight sports car will get better milage than this thing and have the advantage of being lighter weight and much more affordable.

now if they are just going to put their 300 hp direct inject v6 into a car that looks the concept, well then they might be onto something but even then its not going to work at the $40-50k pricepoint.

“You lost me at “jap cars”. What kind of redneck meatball would say that post-1942? Unreal. Then everyone piles up on Sukahara for his/her hybrid comments? What a bunch of weirdos. Let’s have some more everyone-that-drives-a-Prius-is-gay comments, or everyone-that-drives-a-Subaru-is-gay comments. Yeee’uh, knuckle-draggin’ dirt-hick redneck Ameri’kuns.
Fire up the General Lee boys, I think I saw a darkie a’talkin’ to a white girl..

Comment by gilby7, posted on May11 at 6:42 am ”

wow that a pretty long rant considering that he simply abreviated japanesse, dumbass

for everyone wondering where that 25 mpg estimate came from, see the article in automobile magazine about the fths concept car. that is TOYOTA’S ESTIMATE.

Actually Ferrari’s “400 and 500 series” has steadily been evolving in style for decades. I won’t deny similarities but somehow I don’t think the designers said “let’s make a Supra”. The profile is very similar, but then so is a first gen VIper, a 1973 Corvette, and 1969 Jaguar XK, the list goes on up and down auto history. It’s good shape that works. you really can’t same anyone copied anyone anymore. It’s all been done ten times already.

Noun
Singular
Jap
Plural
Japs

Jap (plural Japs)

(derogatory, racial slur) A person from Japan or of Japanese ancestry.

noun
singular
redneck
hillbilly
a racial slur referring to whites.
Redneck, in modern usage, predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of people who may be found in many regions of the United States or Canada. Originally limited to Appalachia and the American South, and later the Ozarks and Rocky Mountains, this stereotype is now widespread in other states and Canada
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it goes both ways here in leftlane so dont get all offended.

and honestly i dont think wickedated meant any harm, and how come only whites are capable of racism, using hillbilly or redneck is perfectly acceptable, but if you abbreviate japaneese your a racist? come on guys “why cant we all just get along”. seriously though its our generation that has gone beyond all the racism and intolerance of previous generations, we are the greatest generation based upon social values, forgiveness, and a general acceptance of the masses. a term is only offensive if you let it be offensive.
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flying sukahara we all did come down a little to harsh,but the first sentence “idiot american” gets people defensive. i apaolgise for my use of jap truck also, i meant no harm, to me jap is short for japaneese and harmless.
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but to those in this world who are still close minded i can see their point.

APOLOGIZE

Hey, did the posting restrictions get lifted? Is it safe to come out (and all over your faces)?

Hey, sorry for the rant gents, probably uncalled for on my part. Who am I to say anything like that, I’m as much of a meatball as anyone else, sorry about that.

Given that Toyota has been building parallel hybrids for a number of year, not just the Prius, but larger more powerful cars as well, I would have to disagree about not snapping one up if one pleases to.

I would not myself. I still feel that Toyota is pushing a new form of engine boosting with improved fuel economy as a minor side effect.

But, Hey if Toyota does well by this car then more power to them.

sharif is rite, give or take, this car isnt even on the road yet, so why are we bagging it if its not in production or if any if us have driven it yet?