A day late & a dollar short! I’ve also heard it’s not a 7.0L but will be debored to 6.2L.

Wow.

Well I heard they are using the same rearend as in the old V for the 600hp motor. I still have all the pieces to my rear end put away in a puzzle box. Screw GM for telling me my car wasnt made to be driven hard. Its like telling a guy his diesel truck was not made to tow. Why the hell did I buy the V when I could have been happy with a V6.

Ridiculous. Anything over 450hp is a waste, especially in a country where the speed limit doesn’t get past 65mph. How about a performance engine that gets 50mpg? I’d be more impressed and the market would definitely respond.

Impressive, but still no way near as good as an M3. Or a Merc C-class AMG, or anything European for that matter. This is just a thorn in the German automakers thigh. The day still has to come when America produces a true rival to Europe.

Can the chassis handle all that power? NO. I s all that power necessary in a discreet saloon? NO. America’s got it all wrong again.

600 horsepower?? whoa…if they can price it the same has the current CTS-V they will have a real winner on their hands

hope thet will spend some money on that interior!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, they need to extra power to make up for the handling

Corvettes are able to maintain decent fuel economy with a lot of power, but I wonder how much of that is due to the weight. I’m interested to see how much an extra 800 pounds will affect its fuel economy.

I hear it’s 7.0 all right. Time to blow the German competition out of the water with a 100 hp advantage.

What happened to CTS_Driver’s post? He posted just before I did & now it’s gone.

Supercharged? I’m a little lost.. why not use a single turbo? Every V8 (well not everyone of them) gets a supercharger why?

Censorship

Supercharged? Why?

whoops lol

I doubt they will give this beast that much power. It seems like overkill and would warrent a ridiculous price… I am expecting no more than the previously stated 505.

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Some of these comments reminded me of a general formula for some I’ve seen in the past:

,, they’ll have a real winner on their hands!

In all seriousness, as far as the supercharger goes: it allows engine characteristics very similar to if the engine was still naturally aspirated, is inexpensive, and very low maintenance.

Im skeptical. New cars seeking performance need to go after the concept that Lexus has with GS 450h and the LS 600h. GS is fast as hell and i cant say from experience but the LS hybrid sounds like it is too. Not only does it go faster but lets look at the obvious reason-saving feul. Im not an environmentalist. Im conservative. I know there is a ****load of oil up in alaska and elsewhere to last us another 50-100years but theres way to many environmentalists in this country and it wont ever change. We wont build more refineries to increase supply or drill in new places. We need to lean towards hybrid performance cars-just as fast potentially faster and saves feul which keeps money in your wallet. The CTS looks great…doesnt need 600.

that will work even though i can’t afford it

So it’s apparent that GM really does not really care about pending CAFE regs. Nevertheless, this is PART of what Cadillac needs as far as establishing itself as a luxury brand.

Schweeeeeeet! In a year or two, this could replace my 300SRT8.

CTS-DRIVER- Do you think this is a good move for Caddy?

Also, what are the expected torque numbers? As that is what we feel off the line.

Lutz compared this to a M5. I thought that this was a competitor to the M3? What will the STS-V compete with ? The Maserati Quatroporte?

YOU STUPID PEOPLE. NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO THE QUATTROPORTE OR TO THE M5. OR EVEN THE M3. AND WHEN A JAG XF-R COMES OUT IT WILL PROBABLY KICK BUTT AS WELL.

I’d be more impressed if it was n/a 600hp

I smell trouble for the M5 and E63 AMG…..

Jazz, i really dont know what to think, i am with you here, what will be the use of the sts-v. i think it is almost a bad move to bring the cts above the higher models, the cts could have survived with 505, and the higher models get the 600. then there is the upcoming replacement for the northstar. i like the new interior and would like some sporty suspension settings. then there is the awd issue, will any of the performance models get it? 600 will be very tameable with the awd otherwise the huge hp will hurt the handling (you can only go so fast with your traction controll shutting power down)and acceleration if there is too much power to the wheels.
Aston save your hate for when the car is out and running, its a longshot but what if gm accidently gets this formula rite this time?

old news….Motor Trend talked about this back in January

my oh my.

Makes sense in a Porsche, Aston, etc. Cadillac?

I hope all you people have an engineering degree to back up all these opinions your spewing out lol

im with aston martin an M5 is a about a billion times better than the CTS-V and im pretty sure that this is old new because i think it was mentioned a couple of months ago as i remember eading it somewhere.

i swear, if bmw had a dick most of you would close your eyes and blindly suck it. i have a bmw 525i in my driveway and its not as wonderful as some people believe GOOD CAR FOR SURE but not the glorious magical wondercar you say it is. Most of you guys have never even driven a cts much less the cts that is NOT EVEN RELEASED YET. when this car is out and if it sucks then fine, until then be subjective. yeah cadillac made some crap in the past, but you cant tell me the 318 was worthy of bmw neither.

America has always been able to best the world in automobiles. I recall when Cadillacs were the choice of the world’s royalty and elite and Mercy Benz were driven by nutty professors. I recall when the Continental Mark II was one of the worlds most luxurious and expensive vehicles. I recall when Cobras dusted the world’s best year after year. I recall when Ford GT40’s bested the world’s best until the world “out-ruled” them! American luxury autos of the ’30’s are still considered the greatest vehicles of all time! Corvettes are still the greatest performance vehicles for the money, anywhere in the world. We’ve just got to get our act together and do it again!

“Rather than using a 505 horsepower LSA motor from the Corvette Z06, the new CTS-V will use a de-tuned version of the supercharged V8 that will power the “Blue Devil” Corvette Z07/SS, reports Motor Trend.”

The Z06 has the LS7, not LSA. LSA is what will be in the new V, which means LSA is a detuned version of the LS9 to be found in the “Blue Devil.”

Great! Go GM Go!

Suck the doors off the competition? More like suck the **** of the competition.

As someone once wrote on LLN 8 months ago, a high-performance car like the M-series is a total system, not just some supercharged engine dragging a chassis around. 600 hp doesn’t mean jack **** if the rest of the car performs like a traditional Cadillac(read: “****”) or the car gets twisted into licorice from too much torque.

The greatest cars in the world are light and handle well; hence why few people believe the SL65, with 730 lbs-ft of torque, represents the ultimate driving experience.

Holy ****!

Fleming in Tennessee you are a true American. Your comment was inspiring thanx

Aston Martin sounds way too nervous about this.

CTS Driver, the 318 was a POS. And I agree the 525 is good but not a great car. Its severely underpowered for its weight and handling capability. Then again it is the entry level 5 series. Like any entry level car for any manufacturer, including BMW, is not going to be a great car. But the 525 has all the makings of a great car with its steering & balance. The 550 is a great non M car from BMW since it has the power to use the rest of the car to the fullest. Not all BMWs are great but anything above the entry level car and they are pretty good.

Lutz did not compare this CTS-V to an under powered 525. He compared it to the M5 with an M engine, suspension, etc (read: the whole package). I have to side with Deantj on this one. If you don’t have a good car to build on, throwing any amount of HP in it wont make it a great car.

The real money & prestige in the future will come from hybrid performance cars. Lexus has figured this out on the luxury end. Toyota or Honda will probably be the first to bring a mass produced hybrid performance car. The really sad part is they will be using technology jointly developed with GM. But GM is still stuck in 1950 trying to play the ‘my engine is bigger than your engine’ game.

I agree that 600hp doesn’t do much if you don’t put it in a good car, but what makes you guys think this new CTS-V isn’t a great car? The last CTS-V was a great all around performer and this new CTS is supposed to be even better. Quit saying that these V-series cars can’t handle. They handle every bit as good as the BMW’s or Audi’s.

Go Caddy, I hope that the differential makes less noise than the current car’s. This could be great for the brand.

Also, I’d add that with the STS heading out, who cares about the CTS kicking its butt? Smart marketing is what it is.

THAT CAR IS GONNA KICK MUCHO (GERMAN) ASS

“i swear, if bmw had a dick most of you would close your eyes and blindly suck it. i have a bmw 525i in my driveway and its not as wonderful as some people believe GOOD CAR FOR SURE but not the glorious magical wondercar you say it is… but you cant tell me the 318 was worthy of bmw neither.”

Yea, I second your notion above. Both cars sucked. The only worthy BMW’s are their V6’s but then their peeling interior really turns me off. It’s not that Cadillac is better than BMW…

BMW? V6? No…

I just love the state of panic you BMW and Mercedes worshipers are in. There is a real possibility that a Cadillac just might be crowned “King of the Hill” on the cover of Motortrend, Car & Driver, etc.

You just don’t get it. The Germans were first out of the gate. But they’re not the only ones that know how to make awesome cars. As for engineering, remember the 1995 BMW 5 series had a GM 5 speed auto for 4 or five years. A tranny made in Strasbourg France no less. That reminds me, BMW’s first ever V8 from 1993-1995 had terrible Nikisil lined cylinder bores which wore out. They had to replace 10s of thousands of engines.

I’m with deantj. The best cars are light, not just a piece of crap with an engine in it. Cadillac are quite possibly the biggest load of **** I’ve ever seen. GM is a soullesly RUBBISH company which makes cars for money, not for the sake of making cars.

Face the truth. Cadillac is crap. Go suck some cadillac dick everybody.

To the people who are making actual intelligent posts on factual data:

I agree with the BMW thing CTS-driver. When I was younger and could not afford them BMW, Mercedes, Cadillac were the cars to get. Now that I can buy one. I’m less impressed with all of them. True, the CTS was striking when it first came out. But BMW any-series is not interesting unless its the top of the line. If you buy a 325 thinking its just as cool as the M3 then your’e missing something. Same with the 5series. I remember following a 5series on the highway in my old 2000 Prelude . He had loads of torque and could get up and leave in an instant. I drove a 525 after that and could beat it all day long in the Prelude. The cars were night and day.

But enough with the BMW bashing. Caddy better get this right. Jazz’s Caddy Recipe for the future, cars at the major price points of : 30k, 50k, 70k ; performance models of said cars at 50k, 70k, 90k(optional),
Suvs at 40k , 60k
cross overs at 35k ,55k
convertibles at 40k and 60k
If they can produce those cars in that price range that have better interiors and features than comparable BMW, Mercedes then they will destroy the competition and that’s a fact.

Lets get something straight here guys, GM HAS SUCKED FOR 20 YEARS, but FINALLY AND I MEAN FINALLY they are putting attention into something other than trucks. i happen to like the direction they are looking, now that they started treading that path we age getting some decent vehicles. there is still a long way to go, but you cant tell me cadillac moved up a nothc or 4 from the 1990`s, remember the horrid sedan de ville.
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oh yeah aston china too, mg is being built in england again under a foreign company. stop being all high and mighty, i would hate to see any other car company american or european go down to the asians like the british auto industry did. Whats wrong with some pride for the home team?

Aston Martin you’re a class act. Speaks volumes for the kind of people Aston Martin automobiles appeal to.

What’s the average age on this blog? Seems like a 14 to 18 crowd. For the adults here I wonder how many are college graduates? Seems like a pretty simple group. Perhaps it’s just a bunch of wannabes hiding behind their keyboards.

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Suck the doors off the competition? More like suck the **** of the competition.

As someone once wrote on LLN 8 months ago, a high-performance car like the M-series is a total system, not just some supercharged engine dragging a chassis around. 600 hp doesn’t mean jack **** if the rest of the car performs like a traditional Cadillac(read: “****”) or the car gets twisted into licorice from too much torque.

The greatest cars in the world are light and handle well; hence why few people believe the SL65, with 730 lbs-ft of torque, represents the ultimate driving experience

Comment by deantj, posted on June5 at 5:32 pm

well for all the idiots here who are in love with the CTS-V it seems that deantj is the only person here who has a brain and can think sensible. the M cars are total systems drive an M5 and you’ll see what im talking about. even if this cadillac had 1000bhp and was faster than a veyron it wouldnt really matter because its nothing compared to an M5. its just a huge supercharged engine fiited to a rubbish car. M5 IS KING !!!

well so much for a fair, open minded subjuctive conversation about a car that is not released yet.
RERONE, save your pathetic judgemental attitude for christian camp. what does it matter if guys here have a degree or not, whats yours in underwater basket weaving?

CTS Driver struck a soft spot in you.

The M5 is not light.

nope i have a degree and a great career (if i can stay off of lln at work). i have this bad habbit of sticking up for people wether they need it or not, sometimes its good sometimes its bad, but if everybody truely stood by their convictions it would be a different (and probably better) world.

The Germans don’t hold a patent on handling anymore. Multilink rear suspensions are present on every performance sedan. Hell even Hyundai. You sound like GM execs from 40 years ago. They would have laughed at the notion of BMW or Mercedes stealing any of their business. Times change. Look,BMW is trying to buy Volvo. BMW execs would have laughed at the idea just 10 to 12 years ago.

The German formula is not that creative. BMW just adds more cylinders, Mercedes just adds more displacement. Ditto Audi. Everyone is using Direct Injection too.

40 years ago gm made good cars 20 years ago they made crap cars, today they make good crappy cars.:)
except mine its a great crappy car.

Come on, consumers report all of the Mercedes models as much worse than average for reliablity. BMW below average. Mind you those statistics reported by owners of the brand. The problem,the cars have too many complex systems insufficiently engineered.

CTS Driver get off your soap box and get rid of your problem CTS and get some other car. If you’re that unhappy with it..Jeez

Come on, everyone, stop defining every single company like that. The general consensus that everyone on the site with sense has come to is that Cadillacs are crap. BMW’s are expensive, but in my opinion worth the money (most of the time). Mercedes and Audi are not far behind, with Mercedes giving us technology and Audi gives us good, understated looks.
Oh and by the way CTS DRIVER, Aston Martin is back in British hands where they should be and rolling out with the best four-wheeled machines on Earth.

deantj, LP640 and rerone are some of the few who have sense here.

Can’t tell you how many 3 and 5 series I enjoy blowing off in my STS. Aston back in British hands until they leave the showroom. Come on,your beloved Aston would have closed shop without Ford’s help. Nice Ford switch gear in the Astons as well as AC compressors, starter motors, HVAC vents,seat frames, etc. The list goes on and on.

rerone cant you see a joke, i like my cts its really not crappy and my japaneese truck (nissan frontier) and also my 525i. oh and aston, i do want a db9, how much does ford still have in aston 10%.
THE CTS IS THE ONLY DECENT CADILLAC MADE, TEST DRIVE ONE, sure there are better cars but there are worse cars too. the only 1 reason i stick up for the cts is i actuall have a bmw to compare it to, I LIKE THE BMW better for sure but gm did something rite for once. anyways no matter how many times i type the same statement everybody didmisses every other word in the page and thinks i am jocking the cts.

My real point is I don’t really think there are any car brands that truly suck anymore. It just depends what you’re looking for in a car. I mean have you seen the panel gaps on Hyandais? The alignment is as perfect as any Mercedes. The paint is world class too. There is more to judge a car by than that of course. Yes the sheet metal is thinner,the car is plebeian. I personally would not buy one, but you have give credit.

I understand,you’re just joking. I don’t mean to malign anyone hear.

I purchased new a 1991 BMW 750iL. It was a wonderful terrible car. Four years later I took a bath on it too. At the time caddys were a joke though.

Look up a company calles Ssangyong. Then revise your judgement about crap cars, rerone.

My real point is I don’t really think there are any car brands that truly suck anymore
Comment by rerone, posted on June6 at 2:20 pm
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that is the best statement i have ever read here, very fair and subjective. one of the best posts ever.

You still don’t understand. Its not about about who owns who and who has the most sales, its about the passion that goes into the car. The American cars of old were great. I know the Americans can build good cars, I mean, look at all the other things you built. Its just that you seem happy with some low-cost piece of crap which will make the executives money. Its not about building cars for money, its about building cars for the sake of it, because you like it. An Aston is designed with passion. So is a Ferrari, or a Maserati, an Alfa or a Bugatti or even the Ford GT. There is something special in them. These are the world’s truly epic, unforgettable cars, the ones we will look upon and remember as the cars of the early 21st century. I can assure you that the average Cadillac or even BMW won’t be.

600hp? Aren’t they worried about blowing off the fake carraige roofs?

aston i agree with every word everybody has been saying other than “crap”.
garbage motors, im more worried about loosing brain cells reading your assanine comments.

rerone, said it all. when i look at the hyundai sonata i know its not a great car, the style is stolen from past-gen accords and camrys, but it just doesn’t scream “cheap”, as most hyundais used to.

—>Look up a company calles Ssangyong. Then revise your judgement about crap cars, rerone.

Comment by Aston Martin, posted on June6 at 2:35 pm

What’s the problem with Ssangyong? Is it because it’s korean? they make pretty decent 4X4s

Look at the Rodius.

^ agreed it looks like it was beaten up in a bar fight and was then stitched back together by a blind man who had no hands and used his feet instead LOL

If Aston Martin was a member on my forums, he would be banned for being an idiot……..

Aston, just like you say you need to look at the whole package when it comes to a car, you need to look at the whole package when it comes to business.

Guess what America’s RESOUNDING success is….business. GM isn’t in the business of making cars like Aston Martins or Ferrari’s. They just aren’t, so stop trying to compare Cadillac to these “soul brands”. If you want to start playing compare the Willy, then why not include GM’s sales figures compared to Aston?

Maybe Aston needs to get their head out of their ass and realize that not everyone can afford a $100k+ car. GM figured that out. So did Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, and many others.

Oh wait, maybe that’s because Aston isn’t trying to compete in that market. So STFU about GM not making cars that compare with other ’soul cars’.

If it was good business, GM would make a division that is about 150 notches above Cadillac and produce vehicles that make Maybachs, Bentlys, Ferraris, and Astons look like golf carts. It’s just a matter of business, and GM is not in the business of producing those kinds of cars.

But rest assured, if they wanted to put about 10 billion dollars into a program that hires the best designers and engineers, and did all of the proper research, they would kick some serious ass. But they don’t have 10 billion to throw around to try and sell cars in such a SMALL market……

What’s your point Aston Martin? You said it yourself. Astons are handmade very low volume cars. They should be,no must be superior in many ways to most other brands of cars.Why else would anyone pay 175K or more for a car. So quit comparing them to excellent high volume sedans.

You act as if only Americans build high volume forgettable cars. I recently traveled to Europe and noticed many disposable cars. I doubt if the CTS V will be a throw away car. It’s mainly that collectable status is rarely bestowed on 4 door sedans.

600 HP is flat out insane. I love it!

You could out run small airplanes with that kind of motor.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070607/AUTO01/706070378/1148

Oh snap…

“All of General Motors Corp.’s and the Chrysler Group’s brands scored below average in initial vehicle quality, J.D. Power and Associates reported Wednesday.”

“GM’s Cadillac luxury brand fell farthest, from seventh to 25th place…”

Awwww,too bad…

Full results here:

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pdf/2007088.pdf

OK DUMBASS LOOK AT PAGE 5 OF YOUR PROVODED LINK AND SEE THE CTS IS A TOP 3 MODEL FOR ENTRY LEVEL LUXURY CAR. OH SNAP.MORON YOU MADE ME LOOSE MORE BRAINCELLS.
WILL YOU EVER STOP TRYING TO PROVE YOUR IDIOTIC POINT.
GARBAGE MOTORS YOU ARE STUPIDER THAN HOMOBOY234 OR MABEY YOU ARE HOMOBOY235.
READ YOUR OWN MATERIAL BEFORE YOU EAT YOUR FOOT AGAIN.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

HA LOOK FORD HAS 8 OF THEIR CARS IN THE TOP 3 SEGMENTS, AND GM HAS 3. SO AGAIN EAT FOOT ASSHOLE.
AWWWWW TOO BAD THE HATER CANT READ.

LOL kid, truth hurts now doesn’t it?

I did read it, and I did see the CTS was top pick. Doesn’t look too good for the rest of the lineup though does it? Also proves that GM’s so-called “return to greatness” is a crock. The ride is far from over and based on this it appears it’s “Business as usual” in good ol Detroit. No amounts of cheerleading is going to change the fact that GM’s ship is FAR TOO big to assume it’s made a full turnaround from 30 years of crap.

Maybe it’s time for another “Road to Redemption” ad campaign…

Yup, GM and especially Caddy blew it big time. No more touting that stellar quality. Look at Mercedes! How many times have we read that Benz is in the toilet. Guess, Caddy is in the sewer then… And even worse, it doesn’t look too promising for the NEW CTS that is set to make an entrance in the next few months. Might want to hold on to your old one there CTS…

BTW, what are you 12? Your hissy fits are throwing off your age. You have every right to post your opinion, but your approach comes off kinda childish.

The Cts-V still doesn’t look as nice as the M5 or e63 though. And it’s handling won’t compare to either of its German rivals. american car companies are still decades behind with suspensions. Caddilac has a very long ways to go if they wish to be in the same class.

I ALREADY SAID THE CTS IS THE ONLY GOOD CADILLAC.
NOPE IM 33 AND OPEN MINDED ABOUT CARS I HAVE 1 FROM EVERY MAJOR CONTINENT, STILL GM HAS 4 PICKS AND FORD HAS 8. IM GLAD MERCEDES FINALLY MANAGED TO MOVE UP THE LIST.
BESIDES THIS STUDY JUST SHOWS ALL CARS ARE WITHIN 1%OF EACH OTHER.
TRY BEING OPEN MINDED ITS BETTER THAN BEING STUCK IN THE PAST. 10 YEARS AGO GM AND FORD WOULD NEVER BE IN THIS LIST NOW THEY ARE ALL OVER IT.

“Oh snap…
Awwwww, too bad”

And those comments are quite mature indeed. In fact, your sole agenda on here is extremely mature. Maybe a Chevy Tahoe ran over your ice cream cone and ya just can’t get over it. Boo hoo.

Ah, so it’s an “Agenda” now… lol

Hey, point me to a rule where every poster here on LLN has to be a GM hugger and I’ll gladly oblige. Thanks.

FWIW, I was one of those GM huggers at one point too. Then I found the real world and GM ain’t so special out there. Sorry.

every major car company has at least 1 car i like, yeah even the koreans, hell the malaysians too they have lotus.
you dont have to be a gm hugger, just open up and realize its a global auto industry

i like how much?

“What’s the problem with Ssangyong? Is it because it’s korean? they make pretty decent 4X4s”

As the current owner of 2 Ssangyong Rextons, I’d say they’re one of the worst cars I’ve ever owned. Despite the fact that they have Mercedes engines, they handle like **** and the mufflers need replacing after 2 years. That’s not to mention weird electrical problems that needed resetting of the computer board, erasing all previous logged mileage on the odometer. Having said that, driving one of these on a 1 meter flooded street while splashing dirty water on stranded sedans really put a smile on my face.

^^^^^^^Well said^^^^^^^^^^^

This is directed to rerone:

Porsche doesn’t make forgettable cars, and they’re super rich.
You twat. I SAID that Aston Martin and some other Euro brands don’t build forgettable cars. I DIDN’T SAY that people only bought these cars because they are VERY EXPENSIVE for most people.
DUMBASS

Veda you own a rexton???? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA you must have been high on every single drug known to man and blind and retarded all at the same time whne you wrote a cheque for them. ha ha

hmmm…the last CTS had a rear diff that couldnt handle even 400hp. what the hell are they going to do with 600hp?!

I agree with LP640. What a loser to have two Crapyongs!?

“Porsche doesn’t make forgettable cars, and they’re super rich.”

Actually they do. Ever heard of the GAYenne? What an utterly HORRIBLE PIECE OF **** that “thing” is. I would buy a Pontiac Aztek before I bought a GAYenne. Actually, I take back what I said. You’re right, they do make unforgettable cars. I will never forget how utterly boring and **** the GAYenne is.

And as far as their sports cars, I never ever liked Porches. If I was going to spend that kind of money on a sports car, the Italians would get it in a heartbeat. I feel bad for anyone who thinks that a Porsche looks better than a Diablo or even Countach for that matter.

I hate Porches. They’re SO BLAND. Even dime-a-dozen ‘Vetts or Mustangs are more appealing than Porsches :S

7.0 L? How about the fuel? Only stupids will buy such fuel thrist vehicle? Look at the japanese cars, they build only efficient cars and no surpise Toyota/Lexus passed GM for the selling.

that 7.0 gets over 25mpg in the vette and beats the gas guzzlet tax, sounds smart to me. but this thing will be heavier than a vette so lets not call people stupids on a car not released yet…..besides the base model wont have the 7.0 and the fuel mileage will be on par with the v10 in the m5 and the other competition. im more worried abot the car being unrefined rather than a mpg or 2.

that sounds wonderful, hopelly they make everythign else on par with the other brands. Or else it will be another failed half thought GM product

this car can have 1,000 hp for all i care, its still ugly and not a bmw or a benz, its a caddy……. u can stick a vette motor in anything………

also, its only good for straight lines like the current ones, but thats all little kids that drive auto trannys care about!

Why are there so many euro-babies on this message board? Why can’t we all admire a car for what it is – something pretty remarkable in style and performance. I’ve driven german performance cars for the past decade (Currently a Dinan tweaked BMW E39 540) and I have to say that I’m looking forward to this car. I’ve driven the current CTS-V and say that its on par with any BMW or AMG Benz I’ve driven. My complaints are in the craftsmanship of the interiors, but the new models have fixed that. There was a time when american performance cars ruled the world, it might be time for a revival.