Comments on: Nissan bypassing hybrids to create EV small cars http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:23:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452417 carstuff Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:24:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452417 Inspire, we are dependent on the mid east countries. Dependent means we are screwed if it gets cut off and as we all know the mideast screws us just by turning down the output slightly from their country. It raises the price for everyone. Yes Canada is a huge oil supplier but we are still dependent on the mideast. It would take a lot to piss Canada off and stop shipping oil to us. Pretty low on my concern list. Electric is the future but it is a long ways off for our needs in this country. First we need at least a 200 mile range in a normal vehicle other than a lightweight, expensive compact. Batteries are not there yet. Also we need, with a 200 mile range, a 10 minute recharge time. This is all coming but it is most likely not feasible for quite a while. Inspire, we are dependent on the mid east countries. Dependent means we are screwed if it gets cut off and as we all know the mideast screws us just by turning down the output slightly from their country. It raises the price for everyone. Yes Canada is a huge oil supplier but we are still dependent on the mideast. It would take a lot to piss Canada off and stop shipping oil to us. Pretty low on my concern list.

Electric is the future but it is a long ways off for our needs in this country. First we need at least a 200 mile range in a normal vehicle other than a lightweight, expensive compact. Batteries are not there yet. Also we need, with a 200 mile range, a 10 minute recharge time. This is all coming but it is most likely not feasible for quite a while.

]]> By: Patriot http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452404 Patriot Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:14:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452404 This is a smart move. Hybrids are only a stepping stone to a fundamentally different and better technology. The market for them will die off relatively quickly once battery technology improves and charging stations become more ubiquitous. This is a smart move. Hybrids are only a stepping stone to a fundamentally different and better technology. The market for them will die off relatively quickly once battery technology improves and charging stations become more ubiquitous.

]]> By: inspire http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452390 inspire Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:57:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452390 It's so funny to see when people think of oil dependence the US has, they automatically think they get most of their oil from the Middle East and Venezuela. That's because of the US-media fear (hate?) mongering by the conservative right-wing agenda. Last time I checked, the US would be screwed if Canada stopped sending oil south (Canada is well ahead of any other country for petroleum products but just slightly ahead of Saudi for crude oil.) Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html Going back on topic ... maybe Nissan / Renault have it right. Don't waste precious resources on a dying cause (ie hybrid). Go straight to electric since it would seem logical to go with electric (provided they figure out a way to make batteries durable and less sensitive to temperature extremes). Now ... if they can figure out how to make a "Mr Fusion" like in Back to the Future ... then that would truly be the day when the US would no longer be dependent on oil. It’s so funny to see when people think of oil dependence the US has, they automatically think they get most of their oil from the Middle East and Venezuela. That’s because of the US-media fear (hate?) mongering by the conservative right-wing agenda. Last time I checked, the US would be screwed if Canada stopped sending oil south (Canada is well ahead of any other country for petroleum products but just slightly ahead of Saudi for crude oil.)

Source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Going back on topic … maybe Nissan / Renault have it right. Don’t waste precious resources on a dying cause (ie hybrid). Go straight to electric since it would seem logical to go with electric (provided they figure out a way to make batteries durable and less sensitive to temperature extremes).

Now … if they can figure out how to make a “Mr Fusion” like in Back to the Future … then that would truly be the day when the US would no longer be dependent on oil.

]]> By: Madcapp http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452379 Madcapp Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:01:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452379 I'm tired of spin. This isn't zero emissions. I’m tired of spin. This isn’t zero emissions.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452370 johnnycanuck Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:19:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452370 I don't know quite else how to put this, but I think they took a good long look at the whole hybrid deal and just gave up. They're already way behind the Toyota and Honda (and even Ford) 8 ball so what do you do? Try to play catch up? Keep using the other guy's tech? Or just skip question 'B' and move on to "C"?. There's no penalty for not playing the hybrid game although I have to believe that over the next decade hybrid sales will do nothing but climb so maybe there is a disadvantage. Still, if Nissan is among the first or the first to market a truly affordable pure EV this could be the path to take. Money's tight these days. If times were different then their decision may also have been different. Just curious however, if Dodge is building their next Titan will they offer the hybrid version? I don’t know quite else how to put this, but I think they took a good long look at the whole hybrid deal and just gave up. They’re already way behind the Toyota and Honda (and even Ford) 8 ball so what do you do? Try to play catch up? Keep using the other guy’s tech? Or just skip question ‘B’ and move on to “C”?. There’s no penalty for not playing the hybrid game although I have to believe that over the next decade hybrid sales will do nothing but climb so maybe there is a disadvantage. Still, if Nissan is among the first or the first to market a truly affordable pure EV this could be the path to take. Money’s tight these days. If times were different then their decision may also have been different.

Just curious however, if Dodge is building their next Titan will they offer the hybrid version?

]]> By: JakeK66 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452363 JakeK66 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:48:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452363 Yeah but orangecones, can you imagine the ego-emissions that will be coming from the hollywood elites who will be parading in this like they saved the earth single-handidly, all the while they're heating and cooling three 20,000 sq.ft houses across the globe? Yeah but orangecones, can you imagine the ego-emissions that will be coming from the hollywood elites who will be parading in this like they saved the earth single-handidly, all the while they’re heating and cooling three 20,000 sq.ft houses across the globe?

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452362 Borat Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:47:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452362 Since Renault is experimenting with electric vehicle and Nissan has not succeeded with its own hybrid development, this the best Nissan can come up with. Not a bad approach: based on parent Renault. Since Renault is experimenting with electric vehicle and Nissan has not succeeded with its own hybrid development, this the best Nissan can come up with. Not a bad approach: based on parent Renault.

]]> By: Hyperion http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452356 Hyperion Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:12:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452356 Wow. Wonderful news. So the next great hybrid Prius fighter from Nissan is now out the window and this being the same hybrid car that took all engineering and resources away from the defunct 240SX project. Very nice, Nissan. Now that you've come to your senses and reasoned off a hybrid, may I have my 1.6L 240SX turbo now? Your 370Z is too expensive for me and it only has two seats and enough room in the back for a duffel bag. Wow. Wonderful news. So the next great hybrid Prius fighter from Nissan is now out the window and this being the same hybrid car that took all engineering and resources away from the defunct 240SX project.

Very nice, Nissan. Now that you’ve come to your senses and reasoned off a hybrid, may I have my 1.6L 240SX turbo now? Your 370Z is too expensive for me and it only has two seats and enough room in the back for a duffel bag.

]]> By: orangecones http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452355 orangecones Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:52:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452355 I think this is an interesting thing Nissan is doing. First they are saying all Ininities will be hybrids in a short number of years. Now they are saying Nissan will have no hybrids (outside the Toyota Altima). Anyway, all that aside, I would welcome a (sub)compact EV priced at $20k and accessible for the common (urban) driver. Jake, as for the Zero-Emissions... It is a buzzword yes, and it is not really zero emissions because the juice needs to come from somewhere. Of course, the source of the term is the fact that the vehicle itself puts out no harmful gasses. Also, even taking Coal because it is the most common energy source in the US, it is more efficient to ship it from mine to power plant once, burn it and deliver the juice by wire. Also, we can produce Coal domestically, while we are pretty much entirely dependent on Middle East and Venezuela for oil. Also the hope is that coal is a temporary solution, and that eventually more eco-friendly power plants will spring up. I think this is an interesting thing Nissan is doing. First they are saying all Ininities will be hybrids in a short number of years. Now they are saying Nissan will have no hybrids (outside the Toyota Altima). Anyway, all that aside, I would welcome a (sub)compact EV priced at $20k and accessible for the common (urban) driver.

Jake, as for the Zero-Emissions… It is a buzzword yes, and it is not really zero emissions because the juice needs to come from somewhere. Of course, the source of the term is the fact that the vehicle itself puts out no harmful gasses. Also, even taking Coal because it is the most common energy source in the US, it is more efficient to ship it from mine to power plant once, burn it and deliver the juice by wire. Also, we can produce Coal domestically, while we are pretty much entirely dependent on Middle East and Venezuela for oil. Also the hope is that coal is a temporary solution, and that eventually more eco-friendly power plants will spring up.

]]> By: JakeK66 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-bypassing-hybrids-to-create-ev-small-cars.html#comment-452353 JakeK66 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:24:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=17220#comment-452353 " zero-emissions" is the biggest hoax their is. Energy has to come from somewhere to charge these batteries. Maybe some will be powered by solar and wind energy as well as hydropower (more devestating to an environment than a coal plant is btw), but most will be charged up by coal and nuclear power that has it's own emissions. I'm all for coal and Nuclear power, I think they are the most effecient ways of getting energy today - just ask Europe. ” zero-emissions” is the biggest hoax their is. Energy has to come from somewhere to charge these batteries. Maybe some will be powered by solar and wind energy as well as hydropower (more devestating to an environment than a coal plant is btw), but most will be charged up by coal and nuclear power that has it’s own emissions. I’m all for coal and Nuclear power, I think they are the most effecient ways of getting energy today – just ask Europe.

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