You are basically paying, well however much they decide, for extra carbon fiber and a “boost” in mid range torque.

Pull your head out, Bankruptcy. The way you talk, we’ll be teleporting our cars to the end of the track in just a few years. Physics is what keeps these cars bound. Veyron loses in the ‘ring because it’s a high-speed car, not a circuit racer.

But it doesn’t matter anymore, because not only will the manufacturers be forced to make 12HP mini-cars covered in bubble wrap in order to meet our safety standards and fuel standards of 900mpg, but you won’t be able to afford one anyway, thanks to our lovely government policies. We’ll probably all be on some sort of car sharing program soon where we get the privilege of touching a car for three minutes a week.

But lets make a point for the addle head of yours. Lets just put little snow on the track at NUremburing lets see who wins. Hands down it will be be the GT-R Base model over everything else including the Veyron. THe Veyron is a car once again I would take over the POS vette any day of the week either, Not only because its an incredibly engineered car but it would make hte ZR1 look like it was standing still in comparison. And I would give you a head start like the BMW M5 the result would be the same. SMOKED!

Nothing but nothing my friend would stay with the GT-R in Real world driving. ICE, SNOW, Rain. SO go a head add 2 or 3 thousand more horsepower to your car it makes no difference the GT-R Prevails!

On another note I do think it looks sweet as hell.

We only lack the ability to unite. Remember this..the rest of the world laughs as Americans fight each other over who’s culture, who’s this or tha is better. All the other countries Unite.

I can guarantee if Americans ONLY bough american cars. Our cars would be the best do to overwhelming cash cow profits..

A little advice for all of you. Learn to speak Chinese and Russian. You talk of cars is insignificant
However even a LT1 90’s Era Vette was upto the task of wipping stock for stock japans Quadruple attack. the TT300z the TT VR4, the Turbo Rx7, and Stock.for stock the SupraTT.

funny how they all needed turbo’s and mostimes 2. Just like the GTR…take its turbo’s off…let JApan create a better V8, V10 V12……and show ushow its done since we are so behind. Ever seen whata ligenfeltter TT LS7 can do??

Bunkruptcy…..is apropriate name for you. You brain in void of any real analytical thinking. hence branrupt of real idea’s ..Stangs beating Bugatti’s LMAO… A 1.9 0-60 in anything under a 500k car…not likely Not prodution or even close to production. Oh wait my Busa can do 2.8 witout pulling up the front end….but thats not a car is it. Power to weight.+ ability to put down the power effectively.

As a matter of fact i’ve had 3 back down from any on ramp confrotation were accelration and grip were the issues. I race. I have the Vette my daily ..a Built 408 06GTO ( meaning suspension, brakes the works, it can road race or drag depending on tires and coilover adjustments)

The GT-r..its a great car to bad 2000 a year production. LC that breaks and viod the warrantee.
Hey BANKRUPTCY…whats your deal. You ever been in a 3LZ 08 or above Zo6 let alone Zr1.

Yeah rain is a problem….but i’m not ralling. Since i’m in the south…snow is of no concern.
I addressed some of the Zo6’s issues, New twin disc/ coilover conversion/ brake pads and lines and fluid/ its lower and TIRES. with the 6 grand total on top of GM pricing. Zr1 guys are no issue as long as they are stock…in almost any confrontation of acceleration. …I ripped a GT-R with his launch control..yes he jumped out with a car…..then i smoked right on by.

Funny thing a Zo6 or Zr1 in Europe is well respected Exotic. Forget dollar for dollar…the Zr1 and Zo6 have earned….EARNED their rightful place in history…a NA SBC competing with super high tech and winning. Drive a Zo6 with INVo’s or MPS anything but runflats….and you will be shocked what 68k can buy.

Good luck on finding a 2000 unit a year car for anything like 80k…they are selling for far more.
The Viper is even a better Buy. ( and both better looking) If you want to actually drive and win by your skill the Zr1, the Viper ,The Zo6 all have superior.

Where are you getting 2.9 for a mustang…..gee i guess why should any want a Ford GT when alowly Mustnage can smoke it.. NEVER gonna happen….hell the GT 500KR ( no offense to its owners)
can’t even beat a LS3 base vette z-51..

You( 2009.) remind me of the Lotus guys i use to spank with a modertly prepped WS6 trans Am. In a straight line on the track. You know little
My Zo6 spins happily to 7200 with my drivetrain work. Not bad for a POS and i can actually Hook.Imagine the surprise on the GT-R owner when i passed him half way through first gear….and left him loooking at my cheap plastic Vette ass.. Grow up. togh guy. You are a hot air balloon…and you keep flapping your mouth a Vette owner is gonna pop it for ya. Also i don’t drive my 70K+ Vette out in the rain….it stays more pristine that way , same goes for the GTO although it value would be with mods, in the 55K range.

I have an Evo 9 MR for those ocassions….i’ll bet you think its stock…..lol try 450 to the wheels.
GT-R’s have their place…..but a Vette son….is Iconic. as is the Viper being a reborn Shelby Cobra.

I’ve had good experiences with Nissan myself. I used to own an old Z, and I loved it to pieces (poor thing got caught in flood water and I had to scrap it – very sad day). I currently own a Nissan Quest, and I love it, too. Every Nissan I’ve ever driven has felt solid, quick, and fun. But I try to stay as impartial to any make as possible. I’m definitely not a fanboy of any sort.

There is no doubt that the GT-R is an incredible feat of engineering. I’ve not only seen the numbers, but I’ve caught a glimpse of the performance as well (as noted by my first post in the thread). I for one would love to take one out for a drive. I wouldn’t mind owning one. In fact, personally, I’d choose the GT-R over a Corvette or almost any other very fast car if I could. I’d probably take an Aston Martin or a Veyron over the GT-R, not because of performance but because of looks and interior design. Those things are more important than performance to me.

But let’s face facts, folks. This is a fast car, but the GT-R got spanked in the ring by two American cars. The general reputation is that American cars are fast in a straight line, but can’t handle worth crap. But the American cars that beat the GT-R proved that this is no longer true. The thing I find funny is that the GT-R supposedly can beat both the Viper ACR and the ZR1 in a straight line due to AWD. But bot the ZR1 and the ACR actually get better lateral acceleration than the GT-R. That’s a bit backwards from the general though, but it is the truth. Yes, the GT-R IS a fast car, and is among the fastest in the ‘Ring, but it is not God, nor is it the be all and end all of cars.

Another misnomer is that American cars break down a lot. Um, isn’t there a transmission problem caused by the launch control on the GT-R? Seems to me that the ‘Vette and Viper transmissions are the only ones able to handle the torque created by their massive engines. Of course, whenever you rev an engine to the peak of its torque curve, and then drop the clutch, you put a strain on the tranny. But with a sequential shifter, the strain is a bit harder. Nissan was definitely going for “fast”, not “tough” with this car. They did what they set out to do, and they did it well, but they are now ending up with broken cars. The American transmissions are better suited for that kind of strain, although they still wear out. But they aren’t wearing out as quickly as those GT-R transmissions are.

And then there’s the gas mileage issue. No, American V8 engines don’t ALWAYS get poor gas mileage. The ‘Vette is rated at 26mpg on the highway, while the GT-R is rated at 21mpg. “But, Beatusmongous, how is that possible when the GT-R engine is a 3.8L V6 and the Corvette is a 5.7L V8?” The answer is torque combined with aerodynamics. The Corvette engine has so much displacement that it has a lot of power down at 1,500 RPM, while a car like the GT-R needs to turn at a higher rate in order to “cruise” on the highway. On the aerodynamics side, there is such a slight drag coefficient on the ‘Vette compared to the bulky GT-R that the resistance level of air doesn’t cause the engine to work as hard, either. See, the designers of the Corvette decided to rely on light weight, traction, stance and suspension to turn their car, while Nissan used aerodynamic downforce, suspension and technology to steer theirs. By using downforce, Nissan created more air resistance, and by adding technology, they added weight. Both those things work against the engine while on the highway, and therefore, mileage drops.

I haven’t driven a GT-R, nor have I driven a Viper. I have driven a ZR1, though, and it really is a nice car, whether you are a GM fan or not (and I’m not). Again, I’m not being partial to anyone, nor disrespectful to anyone. I respect anything that’s fast, no matter who makes it. Heck, I even respect stuff that isn’t fast. But let’s keep our facts straight and keep our emotions out of the facts.

One thing I do understand is physics, and many of the lame comments I see on this thread are against the principles of physics. Horsepower alone doesn’t make for good 0-60 times. Driveline loss, traction, weight, and weight distribution play a big part in that as well. Crashing a GT-R at high speed wouldn’t be much different than crashing a Corvette at high speed. I’ve seen people survive Corvette crashes at over 140mph, and I’ve seen people die in crashes in real “tough” cars at 35mph. The only real difference between a Corvette crash and a GT-R crash is that the driver of a GT-R can kill his wife and two kids, as opposed to just his wife with the Corvette.

There may be other cars that can get to 60mph faster than the Veyron, but there are no cars that can beat it to 160mph. Well, maybe the Ultima Aero, but even then I’m not too sure. But the Veyron is more than just speed. It is one really nice looking car.

By the way, people aren’t buying Toyota cars because they are “better.” I’ll use this analogy again: More people eat at McDonald’s than Outback, but that doesn’t make McDonald’s “better”. Toyota is the McDonald’s of the car world – simple, plain, boring, cheap, and you see them on every corner. They are more successful with that model, thanks to tasteless buyers, but I wouldn’t call them “better”.

Jaybanks you just don’t know how to drive a stick and that is if you did own a GT500 which sir I hightly doubt you do. If you read my earlier post then a person such as myself could attain with the current GT500 0-60 of 4.0 to 4.1 ok and a 1/4 of 11.9 that is fast and better than what that slow shifting hand of yours can do. Acura Tl is not a Sports car and you could not attain those number without modifications.

With Improve Gear ratios and better tires on the newer GT500, and reworked everything else, plus 40 more horses. We could be looking at 0-60 times of 3.6 to 3.8 seconds which puts it about even with the vette entirely. now that is before the next Generation Mustang that will undoubtly have the Dry DCT,IRS,AWD a lighter body and may not only get 2.9 seconds in 0-60 it may top the Veyron’s 2.7 0-60 sprint.
Assuming Ford has lightened the weight on the Mustang with an output between 700 and 800HP
Look for a 0-60 time of about a World Record 0-60 in 1.9 Seconds!

DO THE DAMN MATH AND UR HOMEWORK PEOPLE

It’s nothing like a Corvette. It’s just as fast as a Corvette, and more expensive. It’s much heavier than a Corvette, looks totally different and to me, has no sex appeal whatsoever. So just stop comparing it to a Corvette.

And as I said, it has no sex appeal. It looks like an eraser that some first grader drilled four holes into the back of. Yes, it’s useful with good seating, but I really could care less. So what’s the point? There is none.

jaybanks- Your post made no sense, aside from body colors. I don’t get what your rant about 0-60 times was about.

Sorry bud, but you shouldn’t have even argued with bankruptcy09, he has no clue what he’s talking about either!

With the limited production of the GT-R-V I’m guessing you can’t even “order” one.

Furthermore, I didn’t know they were getting rid of launch control. If my 0-60 times are going to be up to 4.4 because of it being omitted by the time my number comes up I’m passing my number off and putting $50,000 into a base 370Z. I just can’t have my father beating me in his 911. Mind you he has already offered to take the GT-R off my hands. So we’ll see.

Ironically, it was parked next to the just-debuted 370Z which is a far better looking automobile.

It’s too bad the GT-R isn’t a 370Z body with the GT-R’s innards.