Comments on: Nissan: Leaf EV would be rated at 367 mpg http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: highrisehomo http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-483327 highrisehomo Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:54:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-483327 Oh and obviously I think there should be two ratings for extended range evs that operate in two distinct modes like the Volt because you can choose not to use gas like a dedicated EV, or you can choose to use only gas and run it like a more typical hybrid. Oh and obviously I think there should be two ratings for extended range evs that operate in two distinct modes like the Volt because you can choose not to use gas like a dedicated EV, or you can choose to use only gas and run it like a more typical hybrid.

]]> By: highrisehomo http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-483325 highrisehomo Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:49:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-483325 Remember that you must measure electricity in what amounts to work/time known as watt hours, or more commonly kilowatt hours. Saying a car gets x watts/mile is like saying your car gets 20 minutes to a gallon. That doesn't really tell you everything you need to know. Electric Vehicle Efficiency should be accurately measured in "Kilo(for scale)Watt Hours per Mile", or rather, an amount of work, over time, then put that over distance. Remember that you must measure electricity in what amounts to work/time known as watt hours, or more commonly kilowatt hours. Saying a car gets x watts/mile is like saying your car gets 20 minutes to a gallon. That doesn’t really tell you everything you need to know. Electric Vehicle Efficiency should be accurately measured in “Kilo(for scale)Watt Hours per Mile”, or rather, an amount of work, over time, then put that over distance.

]]> By: reedfast http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-481075 reedfast Thu, 27 Aug 2009 00:38:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-481075 Eliviosa Denver is not in the mountains, it is about 1.5 hrs away. There is quite a bit of electricity because we have lots of solar, a nuclear power plant, and we get coal from the mountains. Where do you think most coal for the flyover states comes from? That's right, the rocky mtns a$$hole. Not that i'd ever want to drive the leaf. Eliviosa
Denver is not in the mountains, it is about 1.5 hrs away.
There is quite a bit of electricity because we have lots of solar, a nuclear power plant, and we get coal from the mountains. Where do you think most coal for the flyover states comes from? That’s right, the rocky mtns a$$hole.

Not that i’d ever want to drive the leaf.

]]> By: skyaficionado http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477803 skyaficionado Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:52:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477803 You've got to love the "Zero Emissions" concept. It essentially means instead of polluting while you drive, you're polluting when you're parked. You’ve got to love the “Zero Emissions” concept. It essentially means instead of polluting while you drive, you’re polluting when you’re parked.

]]> By: JACKFROST1006 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477731 JACKFROST1006 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:14:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477731 To DrFill who submitted a post about GM only being a leader in fuel economy by about 8 hrs..you really need to get the facts straight! GM leased the EV1 in 1996 only in California. This was an all electric vehicle with zero emissions. Toyota and I believe Honda leased electric vehicles soon after. this car was badged by the SATURN brand. it was a big success in California. when the Bush admnistration came into office in 2000, the car was destroyed and replaced by the hummer. GM saw a market in demand of big suvs and there was no room for electric vehicles. this car was capable of going over a 100 miles on a single charge and speeds of up to 85mph. gm took all of the ev1's back they leased and would not release or sale a single one to anyone. they were all crushed right along with Toyota's electric rav 4. they their was even a boycott for the remaining some 70 ev1's, and GM was offered some 1.7 million dollars to prevent the cars from being destroyed. GM refused the money. I bet they wouldn't refuse it now. How ironic is it that the hummer replaced the EV1, and now the Chevy volt replaced the hummer. check out the documentary: "who killed the electric car" and google saturn ev1 To DrFill who submitted a post about GM only being a leader in fuel economy by about 8 hrs..you really need to get the facts straight! GM leased the EV1 in 1996 only in California. This was an all electric vehicle with zero emissions. Toyota and I believe Honda leased electric vehicles soon after. this car was badged by the SATURN brand. it was a big success in California. when the Bush admnistration came into office in 2000, the car was destroyed and replaced by the hummer. GM saw a market in demand of big suvs and there was no room for electric vehicles. this car was capable of going over a 100 miles on a single charge and speeds of up to 85mph. gm took all of the ev1′s back they leased and would not release or sale a single one to anyone. they were all crushed right along with Toyota’s electric rav 4. they their was even a boycott for the remaining some 70 ev1′s, and GM was offered some 1.7 million dollars to prevent the cars from being destroyed. GM refused the money. I bet they wouldn’t refuse it now. How ironic is it that the hummer replaced the EV1, and now the Chevy volt replaced the hummer. check out the documentary: “who killed the electric car” and google saturn ev1

]]> By: reedfast http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477587 reedfast Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:47:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477587 I'm sure you've all heard of hp wars, well, LET THE EV WARS BEGIN this american v. japanese battle will insure that you can never drive a real car without being embarrassed again! I’m sure you’ve all heard of hp wars, well,
LET THE EV WARS BEGIN
this american v. japanese battle will insure that you can never drive a real car without being embarrassed again!

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477516 beatusmongous Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:17:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477516 Everyone keeps forgetting that this car isn't meant to be a primary car. It's meant as a secondary car, to be coupled with something like an Armada or a Quest for the family trips. The LEAF for me would be my daily driver, limited to driving to and from work, and a few trips to the store for groceries. My Quest would be my family car, the one that my wife uses to take the kids to school and the one we use to go to L.A. with. How can the LEAF limit you if you have another car to travel with? If you are limiting yourself to one car, don't get a LEAF. It would be a poor choice. But if you can have a second car, the LEAF is a good choice. Fordman, there has only been speculation and talks about the leasing of battery packs. Although you could be right, I wouldn't state it as fact until Nissan comes out and says it. They've only said they would consider it, but they have never said they are doing that for sure. Everyone keeps forgetting that this car isn’t meant to be a primary car. It’s meant as a secondary car, to be coupled with something like an Armada or a Quest for the family trips. The LEAF for me would be my daily driver, limited to driving to and from work, and a few trips to the store for groceries. My Quest would be my family car, the one that my wife uses to take the kids to school and the one we use to go to L.A. with. How can the LEAF limit you if you have another car to travel with? If you are limiting yourself to one car, don’t get a LEAF. It would be a poor choice. But if you can have a second car, the LEAF is a good choice.

Fordman, there has only been speculation and talks about the leasing of battery packs. Although you could be right, I wouldn’t state it as fact until Nissan comes out and says it. They’ve only said they would consider it, but they have never said they are doing that for sure.

]]> By: elviososa http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477497 elviososa Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:01:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477497 oops...LEAF.... oops…LEAF….

]]> By: elviososa http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477496 elviososa Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:00:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477496 Left is not meant for mountain people, ie. from Denver, to driver because there is no electricity in the mountain. Left is not meant for mountain people, ie. from Denver, to driver because there is no electricity in the mountain.

]]> By: Fletch http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477459 Fletch Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:23:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477459 They need to tell us how many miles/KWh for EV's. Then the conversion to miles/dollar is simple. Of course the price for a KWh is regional. After taxes and everything it's about 10 cents/KWh in my neck of the woods. They need to tell us how many miles/KWh for EV’s. Then the conversion to miles/dollar is simple.

Of course the price for a KWh is regional. After taxes and everything it’s about 10 cents/KWh in my neck of the woods.

]]> By: DenverGuy217 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477453 DenverGuy217 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:07:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477453 Hey Nissan. I don't care if your limp Leaf got 500 MPG, i wouldn't allow that Fugly Foo Foo POS anywhere near our driveway. Okay I feel better now Hey Nissan. I don’t care if your limp Leaf got 500 MPG, i wouldn’t allow that Fugly Foo Foo POS anywhere near our driveway. Okay I feel better now

]]> By: freeyellow2000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477451 freeyellow2000 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:00:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477451 Although it just marketing ploy... I can see it now that, Toyota and Honda will say to this effect. "_(eneter model here_ get 400 mpg, that better than Nissan Leaf EV and the Chevy Volt. Although it just marketing ploy…

I can see it now that, Toyota and Honda will say to this effect. “_(eneter model here_ get 400 mpg, that better than Nissan Leaf EV and the Chevy Volt.

]]> By: CADDY-V http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477450 CADDY-V Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:49:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477450 The leaf can not be compared to the Volt in any way except that they both can run on an electric mode. The problem with the leaf is you are very limited to where you can go. If your the type of person that only travels to the next couple of cities over ( depending on where you live ) then you are ok. I live in San Diego and if I want to take a drive to LA in the leaf I'm fu*ked. I'll make it a little over half way and I'll be stuck on the side of the road. How do I get a charge from there? With the Volt I can take that same drive and not have to even think about it home and back, no problem. So the Volt wins based on the fact that I can get more distance out of it and only have to go through a few gallons of gass to do it, but I never get stuck anywhere. The leaf can not be compared to the Volt in any way except that they both can run on an electric mode.
The problem with the leaf is you are very limited to where you can go. If your the type of person that only travels to the next couple of cities over ( depending on where you live ) then you are ok. I live in San Diego and if I want to take a drive to LA in the leaf I’m fu*ked. I’ll make it a little over half way and I’ll be stuck on the side of the road. How do I get a charge from there?
With the Volt I can take that same drive and not have to even think about it home and back, no problem.
So the Volt wins based on the fact that I can get more distance out of it and only have to go through a few gallons of gass to do it, but I never get stuck anywhere.

]]> By: oldraven http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477449 oldraven Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:35:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477449 Nevermind. I just finished reading the article. Nevermind. I just finished reading the article.

]]> By: SomeGreek http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477448 SomeGreek Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:32:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477448 I've thought about it, raven, and i realise that it wouldn't be easy to define (precisely) when there is only one gallon left, so that the test is stopped. It would be lot harder than leaving the car run out of gas, completelly. I’ve thought about it, raven, and i realise that it wouldn’t be easy to define (precisely) when there is only one gallon left, so that the test is stopped. It would be lot harder than leaving the car run out of gas, completelly.

]]> By: oldraven http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477445 oldraven Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:25:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477445 For MPG, they should simply measure how far the car goes before it burns exactly one gallon of gasoline. The Volt wouldn't be anywhere near 230mpg, but it wouldn't even have to join the game until 40 miles in. It would still kill a lot of ass, but wouldn't be as misleading as 230mpg sounds. For MPG, they should simply measure how far the car goes before it burns exactly one gallon of gasoline. The Volt wouldn’t be anywhere near 230mpg, but it wouldn’t even have to join the game until 40 miles in. It would still kill a lot of ass, but wouldn’t be as misleading as 230mpg sounds.

]]> By: SomeGreek http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477444 SomeGreek Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:23:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477444 carstuff, 230mpg in city is still a lie. Want something reliable and easy? Fill up a completely empty tank, with a precise volume of fuel, and run the car until it stops. A simple division will give a good result. The battery's supplies won't make a great difference this way, providing a reasonable price for mileage. For the electrics there could be used, mileage per hour of charge. Once again, fully charge the bateries and run the car until it stops. Divide Total mileage with hour of full charge and you're off! carstuff, 230mpg in city is still a lie.
Want something reliable and easy? Fill up a completely empty tank, with a precise volume of fuel, and run the car until it stops. A simple division will give a good result. The battery’s supplies won’t make a great difference this way, providing a reasonable price for mileage.
For the electrics there could be used, mileage per hour of charge. Once again, fully charge the bateries and run the car until it stops. Divide Total mileage with hour of full charge and you’re off!

]]> By: skyaficionado http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477443 skyaficionado Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:23:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477443 I can't wait 'til these come out, it's going to be fantastic to have a more affordable all-electric vehicle on the roads. Not to say that I want to drive one, or even touch one with a ten foot pole, but I am going to love to see all the electric cars stopped on the side of the highway because they thought they could make it to the next town. It's going to be hilarious. I can’t wait ’til these come out, it’s going to be fantastic to have a more affordable all-electric vehicle on the roads.

Not to say that I want to drive one, or even touch one with a ten foot pole, but I am going to love to see all the electric cars stopped on the side of the highway because they thought they could make it to the next town. It’s going to be hilarious.

]]> By: GMasaurus http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477436 GMasaurus Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:43:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477436 I'm surprised at how people are making a direct comparison on these cars and saying that one is better than the other because of MPG. It is not a direct comparison. One has a 100 mile range. Just try topping off on electricity in the morning and going 367 miles (Kudos, carstuff). Ain't gonna happen. For around town, yes, it'll work. For any trips over 50 miles each way, forget it. You're dead in the water. And 50 miles ain't that far folks. Most people enjoy the freedom of mobility when driving a car and I'm not sure they will like the constraints that this car could place on people. If you have a very scheduled life and know distances that you will travel and it never changes much, then this car will work. However, if you are like most people and take an occasional trip to the country or want to hit the road every once in a while....well, good luck to ya. Better bring along some Duracells...or get a jump from someone driving a Volt. I’m surprised at how people are making a direct comparison on these cars and saying that one is better than the other because of MPG. It is not a direct comparison. One has a 100 mile range. Just try topping off on electricity in the morning and going 367 miles (Kudos, carstuff). Ain’t gonna happen. For around town, yes, it’ll work. For any trips over 50 miles each way, forget it. You’re dead in the water. And 50 miles ain’t that far folks. Most people enjoy the freedom of mobility when driving a car and I’m not sure they will like the constraints that this car could place on people. If you have a very scheduled life and know distances that you will travel and it never changes much, then this car will work. However, if you are like most people and take an occasional trip to the country or want to hit the road every once in a while….well, good luck to ya. Better bring along some Duracells…or get a jump from someone driving a Volt.

]]> By: armstealer http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477435 armstealer Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:40:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477435 100% Electric... where do you think 100% of the electricity comes from? Just because I'M not burning it, doesn't mean its not being burned... 100% Electric… where do you think 100% of the electricity comes from?

Just because I’M not burning it, doesn’t mean its not being burned…

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477431 carstuff Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:01:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477431 easiest way is to convert to mpg. Keep it simple for the customer and what they are used to. At least for the short term while we convert over to electric. 23 mpg vs. 230 mpg (both city) is easy for anyone who has driven before know that the 230 is much better. And hopefully they can also use the 30 mpg vs. 50 mpg (highway) to decide if the extra cost of the car is worth the savings in energy cost with the way they drive. Both are calculated on the energy used. dollars/mile is also a correct way of doing it but energy cost varies so widely from location to location and now vs. future. But with the MPG method should include some education on how to find your energy cost and how to calculate the total cost to consumer. Then again the dollars per mile would also work but perhaps there would be some location / education on where the consumer can get their latest cost. Gas price is easy but I doubt many would know how much they are paying for electric. easiest way is to convert to mpg. Keep it simple for the customer and what they are used to. At least for the short term while we convert over to electric.

23 mpg vs. 230 mpg (both city) is easy for anyone who has driven before know that the 230 is much better. And hopefully they can also use the 30 mpg vs. 50 mpg (highway) to decide if the extra cost of the car is worth the savings in energy cost with the way they drive. Both are calculated on the energy used.

dollars/mile is also a correct way of doing it but energy cost varies so widely from location to location and now vs. future.

But with the MPG method should include some education on how to find your energy cost and how to calculate the total cost to consumer.

Then again the dollars per mile would also work but perhaps there would be some location / education on where the consumer can get their latest cost. Gas price is easy but I doubt many would know how much they are paying for electric.

]]> By: Fletch http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477430 Fletch Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:48:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477430 oops, I mean miles/watt or dollar or CO2. oops, I mean miles/watt or dollar or CO2.

]]> By: Fletch http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477429 Fletch Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:44:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477429 Watts/mile makes more sense for EV's, but not many will be able to do the conversion to compare to mile/gallon. dollars/mile based on current fuel and electricity rates would get you close enough. CO2/mile won't work for EV's. Folks who recharge at home with solar/wind compared to coal power plant. Watts/mile makes more sense for EV’s, but not many will be able to do the conversion to compare to mile/gallon.

dollars/mile based on current fuel and electricity rates would get you close enough.

CO2/mile won’t work for EV’s. Folks who recharge at home with solar/wind compared to coal power plant.

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477427 carstuff Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:09:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477427 Greek, GM did not come up with the "calculation" to get 230. It is from the EPA formula. Just read the Leaf will go up to 100 miles on one charge. Better than I thought it would do. So for an around city vehicle it would be a good choice for a go to work car or 2nd family vehicle. Greek, GM did not come up with the “calculation” to get 230. It is from the EPA formula.

Just read the Leaf will go up to 100 miles on one charge. Better than I thought it would do. So for an around city vehicle it would be a good choice for a go to work car or 2nd family vehicle.

]]> By: SomeGreek http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477424 SomeGreek Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:02:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477424 It's the first time in this forum i feel an overwhelming need to laugh at someone and make a complete fool of him!! But i won't. It's pretty obvious that your american pride took a good hit, with these news, as most comments for Volt's 230mpg rating were in Gm's favor. But for me (and i'm not american) nissan's statement just demostrated how easy it was to expose Gm's unrealistic statement. It didn't came as a surprise, someone would eventually use the same sort of missleading calculation that Gm used to come up with a better number than the Volt's. But the speed of the response! Amazing! By the way. Both Leaf and Volt are using electricity coming from their batteries. The most enviromental friendly car is the one that uses the most economical technique to produce the electricity that charges those battaries. It's more likely for a full electic to achieve that as electricity comes from large purpose built facilities rather than a mobile engine. Never the less, Volt is lot more of a technological achievement as it's complexity is lot greater. It’s the first time in this forum i feel an overwhelming need to laugh at someone and make a complete fool of him!! But i won’t.
It’s pretty obvious that your american pride took a good hit, with these news, as most comments for Volt’s 230mpg rating were in Gm’s favor. But for me (and i’m not american) nissan’s statement just demostrated how easy it was to expose Gm’s unrealistic statement. It didn’t came as a surprise, someone would eventually use the same sort of missleading calculation that Gm used to come up with a better number than the Volt’s. But the speed of the response! Amazing!
By the way. Both Leaf and Volt are using electricity coming from their batteries. The most enviromental friendly car is the one that uses the most economical technique to produce the electricity that charges those battaries. It’s more likely for a full electic to achieve that as electricity comes from large purpose built facilities rather than a mobile engine. Never the less, Volt is lot more of a technological achievement as it’s complexity is lot greater.

]]> By: fordman http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477417 fordman Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:16:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477417 Don't forget,with the shitty Leaf,you have to lease the battery,with NO option to purchase and if you can buy the battery,it will cost more then the Volt. Don’t forget,with the shitty Leaf,you have to lease the battery,with NO option to purchase and if you can buy the battery,it will cost more then the Volt.

]]> By: PerformanceGuy http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477398 PerformanceGuy Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:25:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477398 Wow, that is very impressive. Good job Nissan. There is nothing wrong with 2nd place GM. Wow, that is very impressive. Good job Nissan. There is nothing wrong with 2nd place GM.

]]> By: elviososa http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477397 elviososa Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:23:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477397 Hey....I think GM should take down the ad from the Leftlane Sponsor....it's not that special anymore....Nissan...you should be the one put the ad there! Hey….I think GM should take down the ad from the Leftlane Sponsor….it’s not that special anymore….Nissan…you should be the one put the ad there!

]]> By: atoms http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477385 atoms Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:45:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477385 I think the last sentence says it best. How can a pure electric get an EPA rating which is (at this moment only) a measure of fuel efficiency. I think its due time for a rating of how efficient an EV uses its chemical energy instead of adjusting the standard mpg. I think the last sentence says it best. How can a pure electric get an EPA rating which is (at this moment only) a measure of fuel efficiency. I think its due time for a rating of how efficient an EV uses its chemical energy instead of adjusting the standard mpg.

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477380 DrFill Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:29:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477380 Looks like like GM was the at-some-point-in-the-future leader in fuel economy for........8 hours? Congrats! Let's increase ad spending indefinitely! DrFill Looks like like GM was the at-some-point-in-the-future leader in fuel economy for……..8 hours?
Congrats!
Let’s increase ad spending indefinitely!
DrFill

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477369 beatusmongous Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477369 We could have, LeftWing, but they all ran back to Mexico. We could have, LeftWing, but they all ran back to Mexico.

]]> By: leftwingagenda http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477366 leftwingagenda Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:56:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477366 i thought in vegas you washed your cars with the tears of homeowners who are upside down on their loans... too soon? i thought in vegas you washed your cars with the tears of homeowners who are upside down on their loans…

too soon?

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477359 beatusmongous Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:04:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477359 Actually, we can do it, but we have to use special sprayers or a positive shut off valve on the hose so that no water goes into the street, and we can only do it during the cooler times once a week. Here's the waste restrictions: http://www.snwa.com/html/drought_restrictions_waste.html Actually, we can do it, but we have to use special sprayers or a positive shut off valve on the hose so that no water goes into the street, and we can only do it during the cooler times once a week. Here’s the waste restrictions: http://www.snwa.com/html/drought_restrictions_waste.html

]]> By: Cardemon04 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477357 Cardemon04 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:02:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477357 electric vehicles should be rated primarily in range with kilowatts/mile as an efficency standard. because they're the most important. the reason the volt will be better than the leaf in spite of it getting less range on battery is because it can be a car for long or short trips where as a pure electric vehicle can only be a to/from work appliance(without a massive infrastructure overhaul). electric vehicles should be rated primarily in range with kilowatts/mile as an efficency standard. because they’re the most important.

the reason the volt will be better than the leaf in spite of it getting less range on battery is because it can be a car for long or short trips where as a pure electric vehicle can only be a to/from work appliance(without a massive infrastructure overhaul).

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477356 beatusmongous Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:59:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477356 Las Vegas, NV. It's due to heavy water conservation rules, and the fines can be pretty steep. Las Vegas, NV. It’s due to heavy water conservation rules, and the fines can be pretty steep.

]]> By: JakeK66 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477355 JakeK66 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:57:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477355 beatusmongous - illegal to wash your own car? Where the heck do you live? USSR? beatusmongous – illegal to wash your own car? Where the heck do you live? USSR?

]]> By: reedfast http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477348 reedfast Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:43:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477348 I know how they could measure mpg for EV's. If you take the auto industry standard, for the model year, say 23 mpg, then see how many watts it takes the average EV to go 23 miles. the number of watts used will be equivalent to 1 mpg for that year. I think that is right. I know how they could measure mpg for EV’s.
If you take the auto industry standard, for the model year, say 23 mpg, then see how many watts it takes the average EV to go 23 miles. the number of watts used will be equivalent to 1 mpg for that year.
I think that is right.

]]> By: ADMarketResearch http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477342 ADMarketResearch Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:24:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477342 If it's 100% electric, than there wouldn't be any gallons of fuel, meaning the term "mpg" needs to be revamped for the EV Revolution... If it’s 100% electric, than there wouldn’t be any gallons of fuel, meaning the term “mpg” needs to be revamped for the EV Revolution…

]]> By: Mutant@DCX http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477341 Mutant@DCX Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:22:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477341 MPG? Miles per gallon of what? Gallons of Bull$hit? Shift expectations MPG? Miles per gallon of what? Gallons of Bull$hit? Shift expectations

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477340 injunraiv Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:19:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477340 I got a ride in a Mini Cooper electric vehicle the other day - it was pretty cool, nice thrust, no engine noise at all. Of course I think they ought to pipe in a healthy V8 rumble through the car stereo, but that's me. The driver told me the range is 120 miles, and the battery packs take up the whole back seat. From what I read in the Volt article, a charge doesn't cost all that much. So maybe I want to change my mind about the prospect of an all electric/ plug in hybrid being a feasible option for the general public. Maybe... I got a ride in a Mini Cooper electric vehicle the other day – it was pretty cool, nice thrust, no engine noise at all. Of course I think they ought to pipe in a healthy V8 rumble through the car stereo, but that’s me. The driver told me the range is 120 miles, and the battery packs take up the whole back seat. From what I read in the Volt article, a charge doesn’t cost all that much. So maybe I want to change my mind about the prospect of an all electric/ plug in hybrid being a feasible option for the general public.

Maybe…

]]> By: elantra_touring http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477338 elantra_touring Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:16:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477338 Good for Nissan indeed, now where the hell is the Volt? it seems overpriced compared to this. Good for Nissan indeed, now where the hell is the Volt? it seems overpriced compared to this.

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477334 beatusmongous Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:13:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477334 LMAO, ZFender and NetGuru. NetGuru actually brings up a good point: In my city, it's illegal for a person to wash his or her car in his or her driveway. We have to go to car washes, and we definitely won't be getting discounts. It also might be pretty scary to drive an EV through flooded streets caused by our September monsoons. LMAO, ZFender and NetGuru.

NetGuru actually brings up a good point: In my city, it’s illegal for a person to wash his or her car in his or her driveway. We have to go to car washes, and we definitely won’t be getting discounts. It also might be pretty scary to drive an EV through flooded streets caused by our September monsoons.

]]> By: zfenderguy http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477331 zfenderguy Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:04:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477331 How about pounds of CO2 emitted based pounds of coal burned per mile? kwh per mile? Either would make a lot more sense than fixing a "mpg" of gasloine figure to a car that uses none!!! BTW, by my calculation, the LEAF gets 1244 miles per milliounce of enriched plutonium, whereas that Volt only gets 779. Just to put it into perspective. The Chevrolet Leaf Blower will get over 1500, but the Nissan Voltage Arrestor will get like 1800. Booyah! How about pounds of CO2 emitted based pounds of coal burned per mile? kwh per mile? Either would make a lot more sense than fixing a “mpg” of gasloine figure to a car that uses none!!!

BTW, by my calculation, the LEAF gets 1244 miles per milliounce of enriched plutonium, whereas that Volt only gets 779. Just to put it into perspective. The Chevrolet Leaf Blower will get over 1500, but the Nissan Voltage Arrestor will get like 1800. Booyah!

]]> By: Stix http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477330 Stix Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:59:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477330 Yay... another pointless war against a certain car specification! I thought the horsepower wars were stupid, now we have the MPG wars! It doesn't matter who wins out in the end, I still wouldn't buy an EV due to the fact that these electric cars really don't provide much incentive for most people to go out and get one. If the Tesla Roadster didn't cost $100k to buy, I would go out and buy one since it's the only EV car that attracts my attention. Yay… another pointless war against a certain car specification! I thought the horsepower wars were stupid, now we have the MPG wars!

It doesn’t matter who wins out in the end, I still wouldn’t buy an EV due to the fact that these electric cars really don’t provide much incentive for most people to go out and get one. If the Tesla Roadster didn’t cost $100k to buy, I would go out and buy one since it’s the only EV car that attracts my attention.

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-leaf-ev-would-be-rated-at-367-mpg.html#comment-477325 carstuff Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:42:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=20293#comment-477325 So far the experience of 100% electric cars has been pretty dismal (except for a select few consumers) as far as the normal consumer wants. However it does look like there is a market for hybrids. I doubt there will be much more than a niche market for this electric car with the tech available today. So far the experience of 100% electric cars has been pretty dismal (except for a select few consumers) as far as the normal consumer wants. However it does look like there is a market for hybrids. I doubt there will be much more than a niche market for this electric car with the tech available today.

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