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	<title>Comments on: Nissan sets another Nurburgring record, this time for a fuel-cell vehicle</title>
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		<title>By: t-ak-box</title>
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		<dc:creator>t-ak-box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like a Saturn Vue.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like a Saturn Vue.  <img src='http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nowei</title>
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		<dc:creator>nowei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>xyunya, i see your point, but those margins for errors still exist in pretty much all other objective tests. i would argue the only difference is that, due to the nature of the tests, the margins appear slimmer and are therefore perceived as being more consistent. For example, if you take the GT-R&#039;s initial reported lap time of 7:38 and then compare it with the newer lap time of 7:29, the margin between the two translates to roughly the same (actually slightly less) than a 0.1 second difference in a 0-60 run for high performance car. 


True, it might take specific people and specific conditions to replicate similar results, but the same can be said for almost any experiment ever done. For example, your average car will not run a quarter mile over ice as fast as it will on asphalt. It just so happens that there is an over abundance of motoring journalists who can keep a car in a straight line, have access to drag strips, can shift decently well (or know how to operate a launch control system), and can therefore replicate results with an apparently greater degree of consistency. 


Just because maximizing the speed of a lap time takes a specific set of conditions and a specific set of driving skills, that doesn&#039;t make the result untrue, inaccurate, or even misrepresentative of a car&#039;s abilities. If I bought a GT-R could I get it to go 0-60 in 3.5 seconds? Yeah, I could, most likely with minimal effort. Could I get it to go 7:29 around the Nurburgring? Probably not without a few years of serious practice. However, if I were to hand the keys over to the Nissan test driver who posted both the 7:38 and the 7:29, chances are that under pretty good conditions, he could post a time somewhere within that range. The fact is that when one purchases a car, they don&#039;t purchase driving ability or ideal weather conditions along with it, but they do purchase its maximum potential, even if it happens to be beyond what they can realize.

Furthermore, a lap time, in my view, is far more representative of how a car can perform in real world conditions. Personally, I don&#039;t spend a whole lot of time going 0-60 in a straight line, or achieving top speed or trying to maximize fuel efficiency. All that being said, I&#039;m not one who considers these times to be absolute truth. They&#039;re just examples. Cars that are grouped similarly together may very well swap leader board positions from lap to lap. However, it does shed a good deal of light on the differences between cars like the GT-R and the Camaro. And I&#039;m not trying to pick on the Camaro here, but almost a full minute of difference is not something that&#039;s going to be made up by drivers and track conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>xyunya, i see your point, but those margins for errors still exist in pretty much all other objective tests. i would argue the only difference is that, due to the nature of the tests, the margins appear slimmer and are therefore perceived as being more consistent. For example, if you take the GT-R&#8217;s initial reported lap time of 7:38 and then compare it with the newer lap time of 7:29, the margin between the two translates to roughly the same (actually slightly less) than a 0.1 second difference in a 0-60 run for high performance car. </p>
<p>True, it might take specific people and specific conditions to replicate similar results, but the same can be said for almost any experiment ever done. For example, your average car will not run a quarter mile over ice as fast as it will on asphalt. It just so happens that there is an over abundance of motoring journalists who can keep a car in a straight line, have access to drag strips, can shift decently well (or know how to operate a launch control system), and can therefore replicate results with an apparently greater degree of consistency. </p>
<p>Just because maximizing the speed of a lap time takes a specific set of conditions and a specific set of driving skills, that doesn&#8217;t make the result untrue, inaccurate, or even misrepresentative of a car&#8217;s abilities. If I bought a GT-R could I get it to go 0-60 in 3.5 seconds? Yeah, I could, most likely with minimal effort. Could I get it to go 7:29 around the Nurburgring? Probably not without a few years of serious practice. However, if I were to hand the keys over to the Nissan test driver who posted both the 7:38 and the 7:29, chances are that under pretty good conditions, he could post a time somewhere within that range. The fact is that when one purchases a car, they don&#8217;t purchase driving ability or ideal weather conditions along with it, but they do purchase its maximum potential, even if it happens to be beyond what they can realize.</p>
<p>Furthermore, a lap time, in my view, is far more representative of how a car can perform in real world conditions. Personally, I don&#8217;t spend a whole lot of time going 0-60 in a straight line, or achieving top speed or trying to maximize fuel efficiency. All that being said, I&#8217;m not one who considers these times to be absolute truth. They&#8217;re just examples. Cars that are grouped similarly together may very well swap leader board positions from lap to lap. However, it does shed a good deal of light on the differences between cars like the GT-R and the Camaro. And I&#8217;m not trying to pick on the Camaro here, but almost a full minute of difference is not something that&#8217;s going to be made up by drivers and track conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: MugenSentraKen</title>
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		<dc:creator>MugenSentraKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>====&gt;&gt;shaver: 1weekend? 13miles would take you 1WEEK on a pogo stick....lol</description>
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		<title>By: deutschetouring1337</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398767</link>
		<dc:creator>deutschetouring1337</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting to see this in the headlines for LLN ****NEW GM prototype Hybrid (estimated 300bhp) beats the Nissans Hybrid time by 4 seconds on the GreenHell!****</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting to see this in the headlines for LLN ****NEW GM prototype Hybrid (estimated 300bhp) beats the Nissans Hybrid time by 4 seconds on the GreenHell!****</p>
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		<title>By: F451</title>
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		<dc:creator>F451</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the photograph taken for this article was taken just before it high-sided and set the ring record for the longest sliding distance and speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the photograph taken for this article was taken just before it high-sided and set the ring record for the longest sliding distance and speed.</p>
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		<title>By: xyunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>xyunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nowei, the problem with concept of measuring vehicles based on lap time is that the track time is very imprecise. The time depends on driver&#039;s skill, weather, humidity. Fuel efficiency, top speed, 0-60 all numbers can be repeated with some degree of accuracy. 13 mile long track - not so fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nowei, the problem with concept of measuring vehicles based on lap time is that the track time is very imprecise. The time depends on driver&#8217;s skill, weather, humidity. Fuel efficiency, top speed, 0-60 all numbers can be repeated with some degree of accuracy. 13 mile long track &#8211; not so fast.</p>
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		<title>By: shaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im taking a skateboard, a golf cart, a cruzin cooler and a pogo stick to the ring.  Should be able to set 3-4 records in 1 weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im taking a skateboard, a golf cart, a cruzin cooler and a pogo stick to the ring.  Should be able to set 3-4 records in 1 weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: MugenSentraKen</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398703</link>
		<dc:creator>MugenSentraKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>===&gt;&gt;nowei i feelyu....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>===&gt;&gt;nowei i feelyu&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nowei</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398692</link>
		<dc:creator>nowei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why lose respect for cars running around the Nurburgring? It&#039;s just another benchmark. Do you lose respect for cars because they go 0-60 or have top speeds or fuel efficiency? This way we all have some idea as to how much quicker a Camaro is as compared with an FCV X-Trail and how much quicker a Corvette is as compared with that same Camaro.

Hopefully this will just become standard practice and manufacturer&#039;s will start running everything around this track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why lose respect for cars running around the Nurburgring? It&#8217;s just another benchmark. Do you lose respect for cars because they go 0-60 or have top speeds or fuel efficiency? This way we all have some idea as to how much quicker a Camaro is as compared with an FCV X-Trail and how much quicker a Corvette is as compared with that same Camaro.</p>
<p>Hopefully this will just become standard practice and manufacturer&#8217;s will start running everything around this track.</p>
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		<title>By: MugenSentraKen</title>
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		<dc:creator>MugenSentraKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>===&gt;&gt;SUPER LOL johnnycanuck i am COMPLETELY ROLLIN&#039; over here!! lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>===&gt;&gt;SUPER LOL johnnycanuck i am COMPLETELY ROLLIN&#8217; over here!! lol!</p>
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		<title>By: jumpoffit</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398679</link>
		<dc:creator>jumpoffit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can&#039;t wait until the Volt runs the &#039;ring- that blistering speed and the sound of that exhaust will be what wet dreams are made of /sarcasm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t wait until the Volt runs the &#8216;ring- that blistering speed and the sound of that exhaust will be what wet dreams are made of /sarcasm</p>
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		<title>By: macabre</title>
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		<dc:creator>macabre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had Sabine been driving it would had been a faster lap time than the Camaro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had Sabine been driving it would had been a faster lap time than the Camaro.</p>
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		<title>By: xyunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>xyunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... or he caught some tailwind and did a better time then otherwise :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; or he caught some tailwind and did a better time then otherwise <img src='http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: johnnycanuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnycanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he would have gone faster if the Camaro hadn&#039;t slowed him down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he would have gone faster if the Camaro hadn&#8217;t slowed him down.</p>
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		<title>By: Need4SSpeed</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398653</link>
		<dc:creator>Need4SSpeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s funny... as with this last article, I&#039;ve officially lost all respect for cars now running on the &quot;gring&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s funny&#8230; as with this last article, I&#8217;ve officially lost all respect for cars now running on the &#8220;gring&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: A4</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398646</link>
		<dc:creator>A4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEHEHEHOHOHOHO WHAT THE FORD HAHAHHEHEHEHEHE 
dumb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEHEHEHOHOHOHO WHAT THE FORD HAHAHHEHEHEHEHE<br />
dumb</p>
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		<title>By: A4</title>
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		<dc:creator>A4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow nissan you really outdid... nobody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow nissan you really outdid&#8230; nobody</p>
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		<title>By: xyunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>xyunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford_Sucks, that&#039;s right. Those toys are expensive, they are hand made just like Ferrari&#039;s. By the way is WTF stands What The Ford?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford_Sucks, that&#8217;s right. Those toys are expensive, they are hand made just like Ferrari&#8217;s. By the way is WTF stands What The Ford?</p>
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		<title>By: Ford_Sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ford_Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nissan made a fuel cell vehicle for 1.6 million investment WTF?</description>
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		<title>By: beatusmongous</title>
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		<dc:creator>beatusmongous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this line:

&quot;The record simply represents the first timed lap of a fuel-cell vehicle around the German track, so Nissan did not have any other times to beat.&quot;

Whooptie ƒµ©king doo!

So, it&#039;s not a record breaking lap time, but a record precedent as the first fuel cell vehicle tested in the &#039;ring.  Good step for Nissan, actually.  At least someone is doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this line:</p>
<p>&#8220;The record simply represents the first timed lap of a fuel-cell vehicle around the German track, so Nissan did not have any other times to beat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whooptie ƒµ©king doo!</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s not a record breaking lap time, but a record precedent as the first fuel cell vehicle tested in the &#8216;ring.  Good step for Nissan, actually.  At least someone is doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: xyunya</title>
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		<dc:creator>xyunya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just defending Elias this morning and here he goes again. Mark, 150 km/h is NOT 75 mph. It is about 94 mph. 75 mph is a very easy to remember 120 km/h. I am trying to lead you to Pulitzer prize, but you just stubborn like democrats in congress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just defending Elias this morning and here he goes again. Mark, 150 km/h is NOT 75 mph. It is about 94 mph. 75 mph is a very easy to remember 120 km/h. I am trying to lead you to Pulitzer prize, but you just stubborn like democrats in congress!</p>
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		<title>By: cocksterS</title>
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		<dc:creator>cocksterS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, Nissan is really ahead of the curve!  I&#039;ve never even heard of Hyndrogen!  : p</description>
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		<title>By: roger426</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger426</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 2.5 liter ford transit has set a full minute better lap...And what other record does nissan have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 2.5 liter ford transit has set a full minute better lap&#8230;And what other record does nissan have.</p>
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		<title>By: crackerhemi</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398617</link>
		<dc:creator>crackerhemi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the meantime, Toyota is already leasing its FCX Clarity hydrogen-powered car to select customers in California.

It&#039;s honda, LLN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the meantime, Toyota is already leasing its FCX Clarity hydrogen-powered car to select customers in California.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s honda, LLN.</p>
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		<title>By: HemiRoadRunner</title>
		<link>http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-sets-another-nurburgring-record-this-time-for-a-fuel-cell-vehicle.html/comment-page-1#comment-398614</link>
		<dc:creator>HemiRoadRunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do they even bother wearing helmets in this thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they even bother wearing helmets in this thing?</p>
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