Comments on: Nissan to mass produce lithium ion batteries http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ihustle http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382193 ihustle Tue, 20 May 2008 17:14:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382193 *note* America doesnt squint like your people, we can see what an ugly piece of sh*t you build. Take it to JAPAN *note* America doesnt squint like your people, we can see what an ugly piece of sh*t you build. Take it to JAPAN

]]> By: ihustle http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382187 ihustle Tue, 20 May 2008 16:59:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382187 Way to go nissan, you made your "brand new" vehicle look exactly like the worst selling toyota scion. HaHa Take your ideas back to Japan Way to go nissan, you made your “brand new” vehicle look exactly like the worst selling toyota scion. HaHa Take your ideas back to Japan

]]> By: Blakkarr http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382158 Blakkarr Tue, 20 May 2008 15:50:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382158 global_lightning (#11), As I understand it, Capacitors are a better choice owing to lower cost and less weight and bulk. Mercedes-Benz, among others, have been testing them for use with their hybrids for the near future instead of using batteries for that reason. That and keep up performance which heavy battery packs would cut into. Granted Capacitor arrays don't have the range, maybe a couple of miles, but they generally charge faster, last longer, and are more durable, on top of being less expensive, lighter, and smaller than batteries. They are good for launching and passing power without having to tax the engine or generator. Maybe Battery technology has really made up the difference. I'd still have to see it in application to believe it though. I'll need to check up on that again. But that is my understanding. As for the military, I can not comment on the lousy state of their choice in battery technology. But consumer battery options are vastly better that the ones Uncle Sam uses apparently. The US military is typically ten years behind when it comes to most common field technology. If they could make or acquire a rechargeable version of their AI-02 then I think they would actually be ahead of the curve there. global_lightning (#11),

As I understand it, Capacitors are a better choice owing to lower cost and less weight and bulk. Mercedes-Benz, among others, have been testing them for use with their hybrids for the near future instead of using batteries for that reason. That and keep up performance which heavy battery packs would cut into.

Granted Capacitor arrays don’t have the range, maybe a couple of miles, but they generally charge faster, last longer, and are more durable, on top of being less expensive, lighter, and smaller than batteries. They are good for launching and passing power without having to tax the engine or generator.

Maybe Battery technology has really made up the difference. I’d still have to see it in application to believe it though. I’ll need to check up on that again. But that is my understanding.

As for the military, I can not comment on the lousy state of their choice in battery technology. But consumer battery options are vastly better that the ones Uncle Sam uses apparently. The US military is typically ten years behind when it comes to most common field technology. If they could make or acquire a rechargeable version of their AI-02 then I think they would actually be ahead of the curve there.

]]> By: global_lightning http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382139 global_lightning Tue, 20 May 2008 12:47:07 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382139 @Blakkar: Honda experimented with ultra-capacitors in their fuelcell vehicles. The production FCX, however, will have a Li- battery. Capacitors can hold a lot of energy but have bulk and weight issues. There is a lot of work being done to improve batteries, but I think we still need a revolutionary new design. I've worked with Al-O2 batteries in the military. Those things could hold a lot of charge for their weight but couldn't recharge. And don't ask about the cost... @Blakkar:
Honda experimented with ultra-capacitors in their fuelcell vehicles. The production FCX, however, will have a Li- battery. Capacitors can hold a lot of energy but have bulk and weight issues.
There is a lot of work being done to improve batteries, but I think we still need a revolutionary new design. I’ve worked with Al-O2 batteries in the military. Those things could hold a lot of charge for their weight but couldn’t recharge. And don’t ask about the cost…

]]> By: 02WRXPSM http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382119 02WRXPSM Tue, 20 May 2008 04:37:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382119 How can anyone be idiotic enough to dismiss hybrids as too little too late, or argue with electric cars. If I told an engineer that I could put a motor in their car with nearly infinite torque at any RPM, 1/4th the weight, one that makes power when you brake and can get you from zero to sixty in four seconds, would that person argue? No, because engineering requires having common sense and a brain in their head. Go look at reviews of the Fisker and Telsa roadsters; google search electric dragsters and plug-in hybrids. You can have amazing performance AND electric and laugh all the way to the bank -- or you can lie down and rot like the dinosaurs that made the oil you use did. How can anyone be idiotic enough to dismiss hybrids as too little too late, or argue with electric cars. If I told an engineer that I could put a motor in their car with nearly infinite torque at any RPM, 1/4th the weight, one that makes power when you brake and can get you from zero to sixty in four seconds, would that person argue? No, because engineering requires having common sense and a brain in their head. Go look at reviews of the Fisker and Telsa roadsters; google search electric dragsters and plug-in hybrids. You can have amazing performance AND electric and laugh all the way to the bank — or you can lie down and rot like the dinosaurs that made the oil you use did.

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382078 Impulsive Tue, 20 May 2008 01:31:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382078 ... or if it costs $2 to "fill" and drive 120 miles, people will be screaming "FUCK GASOLINE ENGINES!!!!!!!!!" … or if it costs $2 to “fill” and drive 120 miles, people will be screaming “FUCK GASOLINE ENGINES!!!!!!!!!”

]]> By: DialM4Speed http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382011 DialM4Speed Mon, 19 May 2008 22:17:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-382011 Fuck electric cars! That shit is so 1990's. If it's got to be electric than it better fly like George Jettson's!!! Fuck electric cars! That shit is so 1990′s. If it’s got to be electric than it better fly like George Jettson’s!!!

]]> By: xyunya http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381983 xyunya Mon, 19 May 2008 20:33:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381983 Actually LLN is inaccurate. Batteries will be manufactured by joint venture with NEC. NEC owns the technology. It is similar to Sony batteries, that did not fare all that well, but those problems happened 2 years ago. Things progress, especially in Japan, where batteries for gizmo's are in high demand. Actually LLN is inaccurate. Batteries will be manufactured by joint venture with NEC. NEC owns the technology. It is similar to Sony batteries, that did not fare all that well, but those problems happened 2 years ago. Things progress, especially in Japan, where batteries for gizmo’s are in high demand.

]]> By: cookie4me http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381978 cookie4me Mon, 19 May 2008 20:26:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381978 I wonder what the price penalty is? If Nissan can mass produce battery packs at a rate of 65,000 units per year, they would be able to steamroll GM as I believe they were talking like less than 20,000 units in the first few years. The unknown is who has the superior battery in terms of lifetime costs of the vehicle. I wonder what the price penalty is? If Nissan can mass produce battery packs at a rate of 65,000 units per year, they would be able to steamroll GM as I believe they were talking like less than 20,000 units in the first few years.

The unknown is who has the superior battery in terms of lifetime costs of the vehicle.

]]> By: Blakkarr http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381967 Blakkarr Mon, 19 May 2008 19:28:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381967 global, I've been saying that for ages. Serial Hybrids are the only real way to the automobile's future. Not Toyota's parallel, "dual-power", sham-mobile hybrids. The batteries are nice too. But not necessarily cost effective or entirely needed right now. Super-caps (capacitors) are good enough for the next 10-20 years. Tighter, dirtier cities like say, New York and LA for example, would benefit by this. But I would be happy to know what the formulation of the ETM (electron transfer medium) is. A123 uses Iron Phosphate ETM which is more durable longer lasting, and safer (It won't combust on its own - you have to set the thing on fire yourself) and will attain an 80% charge in a few minutes unlike typical Alcohol-based ETMs which is less efficient producing heat and oxygen that leads to combustion during charging and some discharge situations. If NISSAN is going to roll out the Alcohol based ETM batteries, then they are going to have problems. Nothing like the Pinto was for FORD, but it will still be a headache for the company. global,

I’ve been saying that for ages. Serial Hybrids are the only real way to the automobile’s future. Not Toyota’s parallel, “dual-power”, sham-mobile hybrids.

The batteries are nice too. But not necessarily cost effective or entirely needed right now. Super-caps (capacitors) are good enough for the next 10-20 years. Tighter, dirtier cities like say, New York and LA for example, would benefit by this.

But I would be happy to know what the formulation of the ETM (electron transfer medium) is. A123 uses Iron Phosphate ETM which is more durable longer lasting, and safer (It won’t combust on its own – you have to set the thing on fire yourself) and will attain an 80% charge in a few minutes unlike typical Alcohol-based ETMs which is less efficient producing heat and oxygen that leads to combustion during charging and some discharge situations.

If NISSAN is going to roll out the Alcohol based ETM batteries, then they are going to have problems. Nothing like the Pinto was for FORD, but it will still be a headache for the company.

]]> By: global_lightning http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381961 global_lightning Mon, 19 May 2008 19:10:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381961 All you'll need is a Briggs and Stratton two-stroke generator spewing blue smoke from the trunk... All you’ll need is a Briggs and Stratton two-stroke generator spewing blue smoke from the trunk…

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381959 400horseSS Mon, 19 May 2008 19:05:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381959 Name the Cube the "NOID" Name the Cube the “NOID”

]]> By: RaineMan http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381953 RaineMan Mon, 19 May 2008 18:25:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381953 Personally... all this hybrid crap is too little too late. Personally… all this hybrid crap is too little too late.

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381950 Impulsive Mon, 19 May 2008 18:21:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-to-mass-produce-lithium-ion-batteries.html#comment-381950 Quite a sales pitch when oil sits at $125. Quite a sales pitch when oil sits at $125.

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