DaSpyda were did you come up with 70$ an hour? Right there tells me you do not understand the Union. You do have to work for a union to understand a union! The Unions are the ones that saved people from making low slave wages as they do in the southern states.

If the auto industry was still healthy during WWII , there wouldn’t have been a Great Depression!

The auto industry just changed to war-implements production during WWII, those companies were still healthy.

Look at what the airlines did, years ago…

Stop drinking the kool-aid – or look into what happens when a large company declares bankruptcy. It doesn’t always mean the company goes under as there are TWO different types of BK: Chapter 7 (liquidation) and Chapter 13 (reorganization). BK allows companies to modify existing agreements that are contributing to the financial crisis – ie., unions. Factories will still make cars, people will still be employed – but at far more realistic wage scales. I mean, $70 an hour, plus “bennies” to work a dang machine???

I don’t have to work for a union to understand the so-called “benefits”. After all, the unions have plenty of HISTORY of blood-sucking companies dry.

And, BTW, look around; there’s already a deep world-wide recession.

DUDE WE ALL WANT FREE MONEY, UP-CORES, TOYOTA, NISSAN, AND EVEN SOME EURO ARE GOING TO ASK FOR CA$H, BUT THE BIG 3 WILL BE FIRST TO GET IT, AND IF THE OTHERS WANT SOME, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE IN TO THE “NEW SYSTEM” YA…. WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT BUT THE UNIONS ARE GOING TO ENJOY IT THE MOST…..

THE COMMENTS I POSTED ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT “THE UNION HEADS” HAVE LOBBY IN THE PAST, AND WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMY AT IT’S BRAKING POINT, WE NEED SECURITY IN OUR NATIONS BIGGEST INDUSTRY, “THE BIG 3″

BUT YOU HAVE TO ADMITTED THAT THE UNION HEADS CAN BE WORST THE AUTO MAKERS THEM SELF’S, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT $50 BILLION OF OUR TAX MONEY, TRUE MOST LIKELY FORM THE $700 BILLION FOR THE BANKS

THE POINT IS THAT WE ARE ALL GOING TO PAY FOR IT, AND GREED, B.S. RED TAPE AND LOST OF DIRECTION FOR “LIVING IN THE MOMENT” AND NOT LOOKING FORWARD IS WHAT MADE THE BUBBLE BURST, AND WE ALL ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT, IT ALL COMES FULL CIRCLE….

I say: let the industry fail to BK, and bust the unions. It’s an antiquated organizaion set up in the middle of the Industrial Revolution that protected employees from inadequate safety provisions and below-par working conditions. Now, we have OSHA and the Labor laws, so the unions have no more relevance.

IT’S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!!!!!!

MOSTLY EVERY ONE HAS A VALID POINT, THE UNIONS ARE BACK AND STRINGER THEN EVER, THEY ARE PUSHING FOR THE “BIG 3″ TO STAY A FLOAT BUT ALSO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A OPENING DOOR, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE UNIONS ARE TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLAME, AND THE CUTTING COST, SHORT CUT’S THAT THE AUTO MAKERS HAVE MADE IN ORDER TO MAKE A BUCK, IS ALSO TO BLAME, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE FED. IS GOING TO BAIL OUT THE BIG 3, AND THE UNIONS WILL TRY TO GIT MORE IN TO THE POLITICS IN ORDER TO MAKE FOREIGN AUTO MAKER WORK WITH THE UNIONS, WITH THE ECONOMY AT IT’S BRAKING POINT DON’T BE SURPRISE TO WHAT HAS YET TO COME….

inline6 also had a good point about people not wanting “orphaned” cars that won’t be supported from companies that consumers feel might go bankrupt.

To sum up, I suggest we all turn our backs on orphans and the elderly and let them fend for themselves

My only question is… can we just stop with the “Czar” of this and the “Czar” of that? Especially when “The Big Cheese,” “Grand Poobah,” and “Godfather” still go unused?

Unions aren’t just about 70+ dollars an hour they are also about working 5 minutes of the hour, and preventing any real innovation or exuberance in the workforce. If the unions had been dissolved 10 years ago with the Big3 just getting mirror deals with labor in the foreign makes’ plants in the US you’d see the big 3 on top in every category.

Would you buy a new car from a bankrupt company? People can fly on a bankrupt airline because their money is only an investment in something immediate: a flight. People buying cars have warranties and service to worry about.

Automakers have gone bankrupt before (REO, Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg), and continued operating. But they rarely survived because people wouldn’t plunk down their hard-earned on what could likely become an orphan.

It would be disasterous for GM is they declared bankruptcy.

Once again, their management in the ’80s and ’90s made bad decisions. But that’s only part of why GM and Ford are hurting so badly. The other side is the unlevel playing field that the state and federal governments have made for the American automakers with their cost structures, and the horrible PR they get for trying to adjust them (i.e., strikes, layoffs, plant closings, etc.).

I’d rather have Uncle Sam set up a “car czar” and give GM and Ford $50B than have to pay that much in entitlements to 1.5M unemployed workers because they got laid off their their companies went under.

People are worried that the government is going to somehow ruin GM or ruin some supposedly fundamental American values, but they’re sort of ignoring the fact that GM has already done both of these things. GM will burn through this 25 billion and when it’s gone they’ll be looking for another handout.

The Unions have a serious problem with corruption, organized crime and kickbacks; that needs to stop. The auto companies have suffered with idiot executives who were somehow utterly blind to the fact that gas was actually going to get more expensive in the future; that needs to be fixed. But letting them both fall on their faces isn’t the way to go about it.

just another random rant/ opinion in where the big three suck compared to the competition

187out: It would be prohibitively expensive to ship Michigan-built cars to russia.

I am not opposed to unions, but I’m not sure GM can survive without making changes to its labor situation

“President-elect Barack Obama is pushing Congress this year to approve as much as $50 billion to save cash-starved U.S. automakers”
“Most of the money would be drawn from the $700 billion financial rescue package Congress passed last month or from newly allocated funds.”
“The president-elect also wants the Federal Reserve to extend emergency loans to General Motors, Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, ”

DID I NOT SAY THIS WILL HAPPEN, THE BIG 3 ARE GETTING THERE BAIL OUT, AND THE FED. IS GOING TO OVER SEE IT.

JUST WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE UNION ARE GOING TO TRY TO PUSH NEXT,
1., ANOTHER IMPORT TAX ON FOREIGN AUTO MAKERS
2., NO MORE TAX BRAKES FOR AUTO MAKERS THAT DON’T HAVE NUMBER PLANTS SATE SIDE
3., AND NO EXTRA TAX BRAKES FOR AUTO MAKERS THAT DON’T HAVE UNIONS

THE UNIONS HELP IN BIG “BUCK$” TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE GETTING THERE MONEY’S WORTH,
“SOME ONE TELL “GM” HEADS WHERE IS THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE STARTS AT”
“OHooo……. THAT’S RIGHT!…….. THEY ALL MADE MORE THEN $200K THIS YEAR, THEY DON’T QUALIFY, TO BAD, SUCKS TO BE THEM………..