Why not a ‘Worst’ vehicle, and not necessarily a ‘Worst Domestic’? It’s crap like this that gives idiots like 1115 a meaning in life.

Chevy Vega…hands down.

The Granada would certianly be in my top 5.

I declare Obama the worst product that Chicago ever produced.

^^^ I agree 100% Lucklaster. Of what importance is a @$$hole like obama’s opinion anyway?

Oddly my “Drivers Ed” car was a baby blue Granada. The thing I remember most about it was . . . If you turned the wheel to full lock (Right or left) @ idle it stalled. You can guess how this complicated learning how to park and make “K” turns. But the worst car ? I’ll go with a Vega, they rusted AND their engines crapped out.

Was he even in the US then?

hemiroadrunner,

he’s a senator, and may soon be potus. you’re not, and won’t be. it’s pretty damn simple.

Considering he’s BY FAR the best candidate for potus, I tend to listen to what he has to say. Heck, he might even be able to pull our country out of dredges that Bush Co/Darth Cheney have dug us into.

I vote for the Plymouth Reliant as the worst.

Just another good reason I won’t be voting for Obama jo Mama.

Anyway, that comment may hurt him in Puerto Rico’s Poll Ford Granada Country. Lets my Forget that Montana and Oregon too are Ford Granada Country Obama. Watch yourself!

Obama does have good ideas for Green Energy but then again with Gas being @ $4 a gallon and rising you don’t need a rocket scientists brain to figure out that we need to change our means of getting around other via IC engine.

As for the Worst car ever made I’d have to say the piece of garbage Olds Cutlass 82, Chevy Vega as mentioned earlier, and or the Chevy Monza only a dumb New Jersey farm girl would be caught dead with one of those lemons. Those GM POS were without a doubt the worst that were ever Towed out of Detroit straight to the Cruncher to be clapped up and made into something useful like soup cans.

Actually the second generation Granada based on the Fairmont chassis wasn’t nearly as bad as the first. In fact the 4 door small LTD circa 1983/4ish with the 302 was a pretty nice sleeper.

I still remember the TV commercials for the 1st Granada where they were advertised as having a quieter ride than a Mercedes. That was also about the time Ford was trying to move Pintos with a slogan about ‘road hugging weight’. Those were dark days for Ford; I can’t think of one model from the mid ’70s that wasn’t ugly as sin.

They weren’t that bad! The 1979 Ford Granada was the first car I ever owned. I bought it with 70K on the odometer and traded it in 3 years later with 150K. Zero problems. Roughly equivalent to the 1982 Honda Accord I replaced it with.

Now my Wife’s 1987 Chevy Cavalier Z24 with digital dash – that was a pile of s**** from the start…

–Dave

1st Ford Pinto fire ball 2nd Chevy Vega, 3rd Granada. What bug me about Ford is when they take a good European Ford name and put it on a piece of junk in the US. Like Escort and Granada. Check out the Euro version of these model and compare them to the US version.

The yugo was/is hands down worst car ever to be sold on US soil. Worst domestic would be Aztec on looks, 82 Cavalier is worst all around. Although the entire K-car generation should get honorary mention.

‘Worst Domestic’? It’s crap like this that gives idiots like 1115 a meaning in life
Worst and Domestic are one in the same just like the Pontiacs you sell. I said I would leave you alone but not anymore you had to mention me again huh
I still would love to see those figures on how many people you claim traded their Japanese models for Pontiacs
The Granada was a POS but no worse than anything from GM or Chrysler at the time

Lucky for Obama his grandpa did not own K-car. Granada was Ferrari compare to this. Don’t forget 4 cylinder Mustang II, Chevy Cimaron etc. One thing he is right about 70-80 were years of winners.

i thought it would have been the Yugo or Pinto

Hahahaha….if you think Obama is the worst thing Chicago ever produced, you don’t know Chicago very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

Worst domestic is tough we can go on for days talking about this.

One question, Do you smell what Barack is cooking ?

The Granada was actually a pretty good car. Even in 2001, when I was in High School and we were all getting our first cars, a few people in my school had Granadas. Another kid had a 75 Pontiac Ventura, someone else had a 77 Cadillac Seville, and a 79 Camaro, to name a few old Detroit iron my friends had. Of course there weren’t any 70s Honda Civic CVCCs, or Toyota Coronas, or any Datsuns…. they all were crushed and scrapped before Clinton even got into office!

LOL we now know that Olds went to Trailer Trash High lol. Its just like Saved By the Bell but with more mullets and Budweiser
Wow you guys were poor

I so agree, lackluster.

Actually, the Mercury Monarch was only the Granada’s twin from 1975-80. The Cougar sedan/wagon on the Fox platform replaced the Monarch for 81-82 as the Granada’s twin.

And the Granada wasn’t a great car by any stretch. But it was exactly what the times called for. That’s why Ford sold about 1.2 million from 1975-77.

The original car was built on a rebodied Maverick sedan platform. And that unit-constructed platform wasn’t exactly robust.

I’d say that the top 5 worst domestic cars were:
5. 1977.5-80 Lincoln Versailles
4. 1982-88 Cadillac Cimarron
3. 1976-77 Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare
2. 1980-81 Chevrolet Citation/Pontiac Phoenix/Oldsmobile Omega/Buick Skylark
1. 1971-73 Chevrolet Vega

The Ford Granada was not as bad as the following:

1975+ Chevrolet Nova, that crabbed down the road sideways owing to some crucial stabilizing pin in the chassis that snapped off, causing the frame to go trapezoidal.

1980+ X-cars (Chevrolet Citation, etc.) and J-cars (Cavalier, etc.)

1980+ Ford Fairmonts. I worked for a TV station that had a fleet of these, stripped down with four on the floor, for use as news crew cars. They were so flimsy and dangerous the employees almost walked out over being forced to drive them.

Cant mess with that list inline6.

Hmm, ok Jordan, so since this guy is a “presidential hopeful” his opinion is more important than anyone else’s? BS. Just because you voted for him doesn’t mean you have to get down on your knees also.

In historical terms, at the end of the 70s the government had added a bunch of emissions legislation that far exceeded the technology capacity of the time. These resulted in spagetti in the engine bays and lots of vacuum tubing. LOTS of running issues back in those days, let me tell you!

Combine that with widespread use of salt on the highways and you had loads of rust in a few short years. Ironically, japanese imports back then were much worse when it came to rust. They had cheesy bodies made of thin metal and typically rusted almost immediately.

If you want to say that late 70s vehicles were among the worst ever made, you’ll get no argument from me. But to single out domestics in this period is more than untrue, it’s inflammatory.

BTW, glad to see 1115 doesn’t disappoint. You can cry all you want, but I NEVER promised to leave you alone. You’re too fun!

Here’s a sample SAT question from a recent test:

1115 is to intelligence as:

a) green is to math
b) food is to foreing policy
c) gasoline is to salt
d) chemistry is to pinatas

I will only speak of cars I have personally experienced here.

DODGE Aries “K-car” by a light year. No other domestic car typified military frugality and just plain domestic cheapness as this “shoebox with wheels”.

Ok Pontiac man you started it back up but then again you sell pontiacs for a living. What more can I say to insult you ?

AMC Pacer

I’m proud to be an American…

Good point, everyone in this country is supposed to be equal under the constitution therefore everyone’s opinion is just as important as the next, however some people’s opinions hold more sway.

Well whatever you have some of these POS’s on your lot Did you sell cars to Olds and his friends lol
Plaid jacket with the cowboy hat YEEE HAWWW Kicking the tires and everything

I’m astonished that so many of you take Obama’s comment like it will make any bit of difference on his ability to be President. How many of you can say that you’ve never called a former car you drove, “The worst car ever”. Lighten up.

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The 50 Worst Cars of all time:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html

What’s interesting about that list is that most of the cars are from GM Ford and Chrysler
HMMMMM
I can’t wait until the Malibu is on there along with the G8 Pontiac

Yeah, GM, Ford, & Chrysler make the worst domestic cars. What a dummass..

The 50 Worst Cars of all time:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html
DUMBASS! You even spelled DUMBASS wrong
You had the nerve to ask a SAT question when you are a Pontiac saleman. You dont even need a GED to get that job ! Now I understand why you dont sell superior import cars like Honda and Toyota

I love the credence everybody gives this, including LLN editors, like Obama stood up on a podium and declared the Granada the worst of all time as part of some major speech. It was an off the cuff remark on a radio talk show, for christ sake!

TomF, don’t forget Pinto, the flamer. No, not the disco type.
injunraiv, government had pollution regulations in ‘72 which affected ‘73 model year. The rest of the decade was afflicted by gas prices. The quest for smaller, efficient engine and smaller car opened door to foreign manufacturers. 40 years ago US manufacturers were not handling precision very well and probably not even now. In 70’s cars were body on frame (minus Pinto, Granada, Volare, Vega, Nova). All cars mentioned by TomF were attempts to build unibody car. Eventually body on frame won the day in the form of F150, Escalade, Tahoe, Expedition etc. We are reliving gas crises of ’70s.

Well, if you want to get picky the first emission controls came back in the 60s with the PCV system. The thing is, in the early 70s things were still simple. They detuned the cars and lowered compression to increase mpg and meet the ever increasing regs. But man, by the end of the decade you couldn’t even see the engine anymore!

And I agree that this is where the door got opened. But revisionists will tell you the wave came because of japanese quality rather than the sheer size of the car. I can tell you, back then we did lots of rust repair work. But the time the 80s were halfway done, so was that opportunity on domestic cars. But luckily the imports just kept on rusting!

None of this has any bearing on todays vehicles though… Well, only in the mind of some – and I use the term ‘mind’ loosely here! BTW, does it seem like I’m getting to a certain someone? LOL

Aww feel stupid bc you typed without thinking Injuraiv? Lol Now you can’t address me by name?

You should feel like a dumbass. I’ll spell it out for you
d u m b a s s lol HA!

And now you are trying to act as if you are getting to me lol. I would never let a grown man who sells Sunfires get to me.

Read before you post next time ok buddy

Worst American:
Chevrolet Citation and it’s badge knock-offs
Worst Asian:
1980’s Hyundai Excel
Worst European:
ANYTHING from France until they abandoned the U.S. market

global_lightning, worst European was Yugo. French cars were semi-OK in early ‘70 before emissions came into play. Citroen DS-21 was a gorgeous car, especially Maseratti coupe.

injunraiv, I agree with most of what you’re saying. However japanese cars rusted because unibody construction, which also made cars lighter. I doubt that they were prepped for salt in winter(were is salt and winter in Japan?). All metal was crappy in 70’s and American cars that were unibody rusted like hell (Pintos, Fairmonst, J-cars, Vega, K-cars). You could always patch VW bug, cause subframe was always OK, not because it was rebuild Panzer.
My uncle had 88 Accord for 18 years. It rusted only where my cousin touched the curb(neighbor’s car, side of the garage with both doors) when he was learning to drive (I was instructor, so it sort of my fault). You cant imagine abuse poor Accord had during learning curve. It was donated with 300K miles on odometer to a needy family with original tranny and motor in perfect shape (minus scratches and appropriate rust) and stuck pop-up light (that was design mistake).

Yea, maybe I should try being a stand up comic… Do you like my new pastime? I call it ‘troll poking’!

xyunya: I’m glad – I didn’t think we were disagreeing! By the nineties japanese body longevity had also improved. It’s just interesting that they were behind the curve, when the general conception is they were always ahead of it. Of course, this doesn’t explain the Tacoma frame rot issues – that one is wierd. You’d expect it on the unibody cars, but this is a BOF truck! That one is either a design issue or a materials one… Either way, it backs up my contention that the japs don’t have all the answers, nor the only good product out there.

BTW, my pick for worst all time car? Well, from my memory anyway because I don’t remember that 57 Toyota… Mid 80s Suburu GL. You know, the ones that had the spare tire over the engine so it could meet US crash standards? YIKES, what a POS… Then there was the Sterling. Yeesh!

Where does the line start for arguing with yourself?

Pontiac Aztek all the way.

Maybe you should try it You could also try being independently wealthy or having a high school education. Perhaps you should think before you post and stop crying. Now who is having fun ?

Poke poke poke

Its funny that you are the dumbass who typed too soon, cant spell dumbass and sells sunbirds and 6000SE’s and you are the one poking lol
Its been real but Ive won this round and the funny thing is you started back up only to lose lol
Pathetic
I dont think youve “poked” anything in a while

tripleonefive: I, of course, was talking about the people I associated with, you know, the potheads and such—believe me my school had it’s fair share of rich bitch’s driving brand new Mercedes C-class daddy bought for them, etc.

In those days I drove a 1992 Ford Crown Victoria.

Who give a crap what Obama thinks…. I sure as hell don’t!

Anything Renault.

Actually, all of the following were unit construction in the ’70s:
AMC Gremlin/Spirit
AMC Pacer
AMC Hornet/Concord
AMC Concord
AMC Javelin
AMC Rebel/Matador
AMC Ambassador
AMC AMX
Buick Skyhawk
Buick Apollo/Skylark (X)
Cadillac Seville (K)
Chevrolet Vega
Chevrolet Monza
Chevrolet Nova
Chevrolet Camaro
Chrysler LeBaron
Chrysler Cordoba
Chrysler Newport/300/New Yorker
Dodge Omni/O24
Dodge Dart
Dodge Aspen
Dodge Diplomat
Dodge Challenger (70-74)
Dodge Coronet/Monaco
Dodge Charger/Magnum
Dodge Polara/Monaco/Royal Monaco
Dodge St. Regis
Ford Pinto
Ford Maverick
Ford Mustang II (74-78)
Ford Mustang (70-73, 79)
Ford Granada
Ford Falcon/Fairlane/Torino
Ford Elite
Ford LTD II
Ford Thunderbird (77-79)
Ford Ranchero
Lincoln Versailles
Lincoln Continental Mark V
Mercury Bobcat
Mercury Comet
Mercury Cougar (70-73)
Mercury Capri (79)
Mercury Monarch
Mercury Montego
Mercury Cougar XR7 (74-79)
Mercury Cougar (77-79)
Oldsmobile Starfire (H)
Oldsmobile Omega
Plymouth Horizon
Plymouth Valiant/Duster
Plymouth Barracuda
Plymouth Volare
Plymouth Satellite/Fury
Plymouth Fury/Gran Fury
Pontiac Astre
Pontiac Sunbird
Pontiac Ventura/Phoenix

Only Ford’s largest cars, and GM’s mid- and full-size cars were BOF in the ’70s. And all the trucks in the ’70s were BOF. Today, the only cars that remain BOF are the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/Town Car triplets, and most SUVs and crossovers are unit contruction now, too. So BOF hardly won the day. It’s on its way out completely, like the carburetor and vacuum wipers.

Oh, and I forgot to add the Imperial Crown and LeBaron.

Daddy bought it for McKenzie bc they she got a C in math.
In your 92 CV I hope you put a siren in the car and pulled someone over as a practical joke

Oh wait I just realized what the worst domestic is… Honda Accord!

Early Chrysler K-Cars (Dodge Aires/Plymouth Reliant) beat the
Grenada hands down IMHO, for worst car Detroit has ever built,
followed closely by the Omni/Horizon, 1st gen Ford Escort (ask the man who owned one! ) and the Cadillac Cimmaron.
Honorable mention goes to the late-80s GM full-sized cars (when
they went to front wheel drive), 3rd Gen (late 90s) Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable, 80-82 Thunderbird/Cougar and any car unfortunate to be powered by a Oldsmobile diesel engine or the Cadillac V-8/6/4.

We had a ‘75 Grand Monarch Ghia and it never, ever broke. Probably one of the most reliable cars out there. The ‘83 Valentino Continental wasn’t nearly as reliable. Cadillac didn’t hit bottom until the 80s.

Fuego? Caravelle? DeLorean? 924? It would be easy enough to look up the numbers for reliability, but I’d take any of these “worst” cars, even the Granada (or Monarch) (or, Lincoln Versailles)

Here’s some more options for worst sold on American soil:

American: AMC Eagle

Asian: I like global_lightning’s choice of the Excel, but I think the top spot has to go to the Suzuki Flipmobile—I mean, Samurai.

European: Tie between the Yugo and Renault Le Car (or LeCar?)

Obama has zero automotive credibility so why is this even considered “news” but that being said I’d be curious as to what cars he’s owned.

My vote for worst domestic would be the Chevy Vega followed by the early Omni/Horizon & Aspen/Volare

I’m suprised how many people think the K-car was a horrible car. Bare bones, no frills car, but it was reliable and cheap.

It seems as almost all Ford’s from around that era, specifically their larger cars were pretty ugly.

injunraiv- That was a pretty pathetic car. I had owned a Subaru Legacy, a very early model, and it was a really nice car, but expensive to maintain and just not enough room, very small.

tripleonefive- I would have to disagree with that list completely. Sorry, but it doesn’t list them as being good or bad, but simply just mentions every big fad in the auto world and lists any large car as “irresponsible”.

Anybody stupid enough to blame the creation of the Hummer on the Ford Explorer, aren’t that smart.

The Chyrsler K Car was not that bad

I’m with Jayc on this. The worst part of the Reliant was the optional 2.5 engine, built by Mitsubishi, IIRC. 19 hrs to replace the timing belt, and you had to do it or ruin the engine at 70,001 miles.

It was cheap and reliable, and there are still quite a few on the road today.

Thank you injunrain, the worst part of ANY Chrysler of the 80s, was the optional Mitsubishi (read: Japanese) engine.

The 2.6 was the Mitsu engine, injunraiv. They even had the nerve to badge early models with this engine with ‘Hemi’ on the fenders. The 2.5 was a long stroke 2.2- all Chrysler- and a much better engine in terms of reliability. If you ever see a K or a Caravan that just about kills you with a cloud of noxious gas worthy of a Kenworth when it pulls away from a stoplight after idling for awhile- that’s a 2.6.

My father had a Dodge Dart which was a great car with the slant 6 engine.
Then, he got rid of it for a leased Ford Granada. It was by far the worst car I have ever driven. The car would groan loudly out of nowwhere, it was so embarrassing. When you turned the steering wheel left it wanted to go right, the paint just came off in splotches.
It is because of the Granada that I have never even sniffed a Ford Dealer since then.
His next car was a Chevy Celebrity, which while it was a pretty bad car for handling, it lasted 17 years-and may still be going.

Why, yes it was the 2.6!!! It’s been so long I’d forgotten…

Time Magazine: Saying the Explorer is the worst due to starting the SUV revolution is well, not my way of saying it sucked. idrive sucks, but if you are saying the 7 series sucked more than the stupid truck looking minivan’s of gm by not being on the list, you are ddd.

I have no opinion on the worst car. I do have an opinion on some I’ve seen be pretty bullet proof. Chevy Celebrity – as mentioned, mid to late 80’s Volvo’s, late 80’s early 90’s Dodge Dakota’s. These stand out to me as being above average as far a reliability.

You guys are pathetic insulting Obama…grow a ****ing brain.

Worst car? That’s a hard one…I’ll have to choose the worst during my lifetime.

- Chevy Blazer/Trailblazer + Clones
-Chevy Cavalier + Clones
-Chevy Astro + Clones

Those are the first three that really came to mind, although all parties of the Big 3 are guilty of some of the biggest monster automotive atrocities in existence.

Come to the UK and see the Ford Granada/Scorpio we had (Merkur Scorpio there) and you’ll see a car that was big, roomy, had loads of space and cruise oh so well on the motorway. Handled a bit like a boat though…

Never had a comfier ride than in our granada – mercs paled in comparision and I’ve been in an S600 AMG

As for reliability, well ours lasted from 1989 to 2000 and we only let it go because it wasn’t worth sorting the autobox

Buick Century from the 1980’s. Unholy ****box from hell. Spent more time at the shop than the mechanics themselves.

Did Obamas grandpa maintain the car, or drive it like he stole it? If it had been an Opel Kadett (my vote for worst car), Dodge Colt (Japanese car) or a Honda Civic, with the front shock towers rusting out and going throught the hood at 50,000 miles, Obama probably wouldn’t have said anything about cars. He should run for president in Japan. Worst presidential candidate we ever had……

Come on, he CAN’T be worse than W. Or can he?

Could be the beginning of the rapture. I’ve heard his pastor speak. I would like to hear more history on his grandpa…

According to Tim Lahaye (sp?) the rapture comes before the rise of the antichrist. I don’t think this is him…

Isn’t it surprising the topics that can come up in an automotive news thread?

W’S grandpa dealt with the nazi’s before and during WWll. What could Obama’s Grandpa have done that could be worse??

My late grandfather had a Granada. He bought it new in 1976 and kept it for 20 years.

OBAMA SUCKS AND SO DOES HIS BITCH WIFE.
THE GRANADA HERE WAS A DECENT CAR. THEY LASTED THROUGH THE 90′S.

My first car was a silver 1976 2-door Granada. It was slow, didn’t handle great, got 15 mpg at best, and with a 3-speed auto, taking it over 65 would redline the engine but it did give me 185,000 nearly trouble-free miles. It was OK for what it was. I wouldn’t ever want to own one again, though.

I didn’t vote for W’s grandfather, and I ain’t going to vote for Obama’s, either.

If Obama was really smart he would have answered AMC Pacer… it would be a popular and common answer, and you wouldn’t be bashing any of the automakers because the AMC brand is long gone.

AFTER THAT COMMENT, OBAMA SHOULD DO THE HONORABLE THING AND DROP OUT OF THE RACE! ENOUGH OF HIS BULL! DISGRACEFUL!

come on Obama pretty much everything froom detroit is worthless. Ford, Eminem, GM, Madonna, Kid rock e.t.c the list goes on……………and on………………………and on.

Hey E60M5…don’t forget about the auto executives from Detroit…now THEY are worthless.

Just like everyone on here… Obama took some personal experience and used it out of context to make some sweeping assertion. While the Granada may have been a “tin can,” relative to that time period and that market segment, the honor of “worst” would actually be better bestowed upon the ‘79-’84 Olds Delta 88 with the wretched 5.7L diesel… That diesel was possibly the lowest point for GM of that time… Just like when I mentioned it when tripleonefag tried to point out the Cadillac “4-5-6″ as the worst engine failure in those second-generation Sevilles, but if anyone knew what they were talking about… they’d know that honor goes to that Olds diesel.

But I do agree… anyone who thinks LLN is biased towards the domestic manufacturers is way off base, because they went and purposely asked about the “worst domestic,” and despite what some people may think… anyone old enough to remember knows full well that there were some pretty horrible Japanese cars way back when… The Mazda RX-2 comes to mind… as does the original Honda Accord – which was an out-and-out little ****-box..

GAYMGoff is completely wrong as usual
A woman in my neighborhood had an 81 Honda Accord 4 door just as a side not they all seem to come in light blue and the hood opened forward and was a pain to do any work on Luckily it only needed oil and not much more She gave it to her mother with over 170 k trouble free miles about 10 yrs back. I never bothered to ask if it was still running but Im sure it is
The Older Honda’s where great just like the new ones. Notice how there were NO Japanese cars on that link above and that anyone has mentioned so far

is that the lady who lives in the trailer across the street from your Mom’s?
Lamo Z, my list of worst cars from your short lifetime-
Honda Ridgline
BMW X-6
Hummer H-3
Toyota Tundra
Toyota SUVs
Pontiac Sunfire
Mercury Capri(the convertible Austrailian one)
Kia Rondo
Jeep Compass
Any Hyundai from the late 80’s and 90’s
Triple One Fagboys Mom’s “new” car, 1987 Acura Legend.

Here’s a hint, LLN: when someone uses the phrase “may be,” he’s not “declaring.”
I’m voting for Frank E. McEnulty. I’d vote for root or Palin as Prez, but not as Veep.
Hell, anybody’d be a better president than Li’l Jorge!
Worst detroit car ever?
Pontiac Fiero!

My First car was my dads old Granada. It was a white 1976 coupe with a 351 cleveland in it. I got the car with 75,000 miles. Nine years later and 200,000 and a engine rebiuld. Car runs great. No rust. Best car i have ever driven. And it keeps on going.