Veda: put your broad brush away

That’s a very ignorant assumption… I certainly wouldn’t dismiss the possibility in the near future. But true to your mission of posting hate comments about Toyota and Honda, probably while getting paid to do so, I must say you’re gonna need to elaborate a bit if you want someone to take you seriously.

I’m guessing you were one of those douchebags back in the late 1980s who said Toyota couldn’t create a luxury division to compete with the Europeans.

It is imperative that the car follow the last cars philosophy of ultra-light, rear-mid engine layout and some high-tech. They introduce V-tec on the last one.

V-10s suck, Honda makes V-8 for IRL and F1, WTF.
this needs a DirectInjection, variable turbo, VVT 4-valve, automated manual, arbon fiber everywhere.

I mean, it is a honda, and that’s what it should be called.

jdepould: “I think Honda will sell every car they intend to.”

I think they’ll deliberately make fewer than they can sell.

I wouldn’t give up hope quite yet CA36. I’m willing to bet someone at the top had to grab a few project managers by their wontons and rein them in a little. And that’s what scares me: the longer these things drag on, the more they tend to stray off course.

I looked at a Chevy Colorado, but it won’t seat six adults, or even 2 adults, a teen and three small kids

If you’ve decided on the ‘Lac, that’s cool.
If you’re still looking, figure out what type of car you want, and drive at least 3 competing models

I actually prefered the 300ZX and 300GT VR-4 to the NSX, but liked all 3. RX-7 was OK, while the the Supra didn’t work for me.

As far as price for performance, yes, they all beat the NSX.

The 300ZX of that ere remains the best japanese car ever.

Now, Honda is guilty of building its faux-luxury divisions cars from accordsn and civics, but the NSX wasn’t siply an accord.

“Z-ride,” is my way of acknowleging that the old 240Z launced the japanese “sports car” in the in the USA movement.

It doesn’t mean a Nissan. it mean’s a high-tech performance car, and it’s a lot shorter to type than “high-tech performance car.”

If I had the dough, i’m going ferrari.

If I have some of the dough, I’m going Vette.

If I’m poor and finnaly freed of minivan Hell: I’m going camaro

I think I see what you are trying to say. That doesn’t mean I agree with you or that I think you are right. Your views on these various cars is very simplistic and shows that you do not really know the cars that you speak of.

This does not mean you don’t know, but rather you are not saying anything to express that you do know.

Until the C5, the Corvette was pretty much a two-seater muscle car. After that, the Corvette was a true world class sports car that has only improved. The VIPER made it’s claim with that huge engine but is still one of the fastest cars around (around corners too). Big engines are the American way and I think the HONDA will err in that direction as well, though not as greatly, which is the Japanese model. But don’t expect some 3.0L V10 (most reports say 5.0L) if you are looking for tiny racing engines made of watch parts. American sports cars still win the horsepower-per-dollar war easily and that’s not going to change.

The 911 is as cutting edge as a stealth fighter jet, which is actually a pretty scary thought. The only thing “old school” about the car is that it is still billed as the 911. If Porsche were going to stick with accurate naming, the car would be called the 998 now.

I won’t knock your feelings about the NSX, but I doubt HONDA, who seems to have a problem with legacy cars (their’s being the Accord and Civic), will actually name this new car NSX, but that is maybe the only name that seems to fit it right now. At least fans and the press seem to think so.

The NSX was not really that high tech. At the time for the money it did have the then fairly unique ABS and traction control (optional if it was offered at all) but was soundly accused of but later acquitted of having a beefed up Accord transaxle (not a far cry from the Vector W8 – which used a modded Toronado transaxle and a big, twin turbo, Chevy v8). The car had a not to unusual engine for the time, Vtec didn’t show for a couple of years but was one of the few upgrades made over the cars 15 year trudge into obsolescence (the C4 went 13 years before giving way to the C5).

The NSX was barely a match for it’s Japanese rivals, it lacked power handling the 300Z was quicker and faster. The turbo “FD” RX-7 was quicker and more nimble than the NSX. The 3000GT was… the only car the NSX couple actually beat off the lot. It was too heavy and underpowered to that weight to be anything but cool.

Add to that that all those cars cost half as much as the NSX and the feeling that this car was put together with Accord parts and you have a car that was an “also ran” not a contender. It’s “exotic-ness” was based on the fact that no one, outside of Japan, would pay almost $90K in 1990 or so for a Japanese car. Even the Lexus LS went for only about $40K+. If the cost were in line with it’s rivals it might have had a happier run.

Also don’t use “Z-ride” it sounds like you live in your own little world. Every fan boy and car expert and even the execs at Nissan call it the “Z-car” or just “THE Z”.

jJay:

Every miata knockoff has been a better car, except maybe the new MR2

My post vanished, so I’ll put it up again, approximately.

Vette and Viper are NA big-block sports cars. Balls-out displacement is their game.

the 911 is old-school, and its look is essentially the same as 25 years ago.

I’m opposed to calling something with a front engine an NSX.

What was wrong with HSC, if they’re not going to give the car an actual name?
NSX is a high-tech performance car (a Z-ride). It was a match, at its outset, for the 300zx and 3000GT VR-4. The (JDM) RX7 and Supra fit in there, too.

What set the Honda apart was its “exoticness.” they made a wise decision not to mass-produce it, and it gets more attention.

I was sad to see the NSX follow the other Z-rides out of production. Go. Ditto the Ford GT, which is somewhere between sports car and full exotic.

I wouldn’t really consider Porsche as competition… When Porsche 911/928 comes to mind, I think of those cars as more premier than the NSX… But that’s just me.

The NSX is a high-tech performance car. It’s not going to go 200, but it’ll do great in handling tests.

Z06ified nailed it on the head. They need to release the car now before the market moves soo far ahead that they won’t be able to compete.

At 80k+ price point that car better be spectacular. Even the Nissan Skyline GTR is going to have trouble against the Blue Devil Vette. I can’t see this NSX faring any better. my $.02

You might what to explain because those ARE the cars that this HONDA will have to compete against, not just for race position but garage space.

Also you’re statement was better aimed at the S2000. That was a car truly by itself. $40K, four-cylinder racing engine, low weigh, small… nothing was and really is in it’s class (maybe the Porsche Cayman/Boxster).

This new “NSX” is not going to be so unique. SH-RWD (AWD is still up in the air but unlikely) aside, it is not so far out of place. Yes it is likely to cost over 100K, but price still is not the issue. The Vette and the Viper both list for under 100K and they are widely acknowledged as being world class sports car performers (lack of luxury appointments not withstanding).

As for the 350Z,

The 300Z ran into the problem of costing WAY too much for what it was. Besides, the 350Z is aimed at a younger, less well heeled, individual, much like the original 240Z. Most Japaneses sports cars tend to fall into that circle for being there for the “kids”. That’s one of the things I love about them, they build a car with heaps of potential but let you decide what you’re going to to do with it. Strap on turbos, upgrade the suspension, brakes and so on. A lot like muscles cars, just with slightly under-equipped sports cars instead of bigger performance coupes and sedans.

Again you might want to clarify your last statement. What are you trying to say what “‘Vette, Viper and 911/928 don’t really fit here. The NSX could have it’s field all to itself. “

I expect that this car, like so many Japanese sports cars in the past (a couple of them HONDAs), will read as hot contenders, like beautiful of the camera, but fall flat in the face of real competition for one reason or another.

I’d ALMOST wager that:
- The C7 Corvette is better balanced and just more powerful and we haven’t touched on the Z06/7 yet.
- The Porsche (928 or 911 pick one) is more agile and quicker.
- The LF-A is more refined and looks cooler, while the new V8 Supra is just as good and the HONDA but has a back seat
- The Viper just has a better attitude for a V10 sports car. (They need to start working of a third generation car now)

I want to see HONDA do good by this car but all signs point to, “don’t get your hopes up”.

never try to compare a honda to a BMW. It’s like comparing Rosanne to Shakira.

The honda is inferior — it’s like Hughes middle school against BMW’s New england patriots.

just skip it.

The NSX was a decent car, but at that time you also had the 300GT VR-4 and the last 300ZX, not to mention the underrated RX7 and the Supra