Regarding your comment, first, you said Europe has the very best school because their students receive better Math training in grade school.

Second, you said there are a lot of American students, including you who enter and study at these great European school, but these are the same American students with poorer Math training in American grade schools that you alleged.

Third, you said “[m]ost of the foreign students you see in American Universities are the ones that come from poor countries that don’t have proper technical educational facilities.” You failed to mention if these poor countries have better or worse Math training in grade school comparing to average America.

Your reasoning is very confusing and makes no sense. In any regard, universities, European and American all recruit world-wide, so I am not sure if grade school Math training plays that significant of a role. Also, you seem to be suggesting that foreign students coming from countries without proper technical educational facilities are worse students. I tend to find foreign students a little more focus in college, whether their home countries have proper technical educational facilities or not. Ultimately, your comment is prejudicial in saying European students > American students > foreign students in America.

Nobody is discounting European research. However, most of the people who built the first nuclear bomb had already moved to the US and stayed here. Among them were Einstein, Fermi, Teller, and Heisenberg. After World War II, they took positions at US universities and helped secure their positions as the best on Earth.

54. University of Maryland—College Park *

57. Ohio State University—Columbus *

57. Boston University

59. Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey—New Brunswick(NJ) *

There are 55 schools better then it is and over 400 worse then it is.

shaver, those nerds most likely had better grades then you did, have significantly more disposable income and post here. Cheers.

You are mixing things that have nothing to do with the quality of the universities. In the US, scientists and engineers by and large come from the ranks of the poor and working classes. Many are the children of immigrants. The coal mines of West Virginia and Pennsylvania and the steel mills of Pennsylvania are over-represented among the ranks of our scientists and engineers.

You have a solid argument about the relative quality of the primary and secondary schools in the USA and Europe. However, they are not at issue here. We are talking about universities, not grade schools.

There are many ways to measure quality. However, the most relevant measure of the quality of a university is its production. We have a saying: “The bottomline is the bottomline.” Look at the bottomline production of US universities. The personal computer industry is an outgrowth of Harvard and Stanford. Stanford University also gave rise to SUN Microsystems (Stanford University Network) and SGI, which was created as a Stanford University engineering graduate school classroom project. The web browser as we know it came out of the University of Illinois. The web’s predecessor, GOPHER, came out of the University of Minnesota. Apple’s MacOS X is based primarily on work done by the University of California (Berkeley) and Carnegie-Mellon University. High-temperature superconductivity’s university developer was the University of Houston.

I can go on, but hopefully you get the point. Can you name two major developments that were produced directly or indirectly by European universities? Can you name one?

THAT’s what technology is for.

Traffic sign recognition? How about steering that doesn’t groan or bust shit off? How about a reliable transmission?

The current Aura looks better than its clones (G6/Malibu/9-3) and the interior, while cheap in places is much more paletable than the el-cheapo Pontiac and the pshycadelic Bu’, they just need to up the quality.

Hell, what am I saying, Saturn is a lost fockin cause. Even with a fresh product line, sales suck and the company hasn’t made a profit in 15 years. Put a fork in it and save this great looking design for Pontiac to replace the aweful G6.