Comments on: Peugeot-Citroen to partner with BMW, Mercedes? http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:08:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: BLISS http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-330262 BLISS Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:45:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-330262 I HOPE IT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP TO ALL 3 COMPANIES. I HOPE IT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP TO ALL 3 COMPANIES.

]]> By: angelo http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329846 angelo Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:25:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329846 First MINI engine was partnership of BMW and Chrysler and built out of Brazil. This is a great move for Bimmer and Benz as it gives them cheaper access for the smaller 4-cylinder powerplants found in the 116 and 316, they should work on diesels together too. The 1.8 engines and even 2.0 cannot be far behind. These alliances are important to maintain BMWs independence, they reduce risk. First MINI engine was partnership of BMW and Chrysler and built out of Brazil. This is a great move for Bimmer and Benz as it gives them cheaper access for the smaller 4-cylinder powerplants found in the 116 and 316, they should work on diesels together too. The 1.8 engines and even 2.0 cannot be far behind.

These alliances are important to maintain BMWs independence, they reduce risk.

]]> By: Ian http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329812 Ian Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:27:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329812 can't think of better companies to team up. can’t think of better companies to team up.

]]> By: SoLoveLA http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329795 SoLoveLA Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:37:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329795 Peugeot and citroen are not the builders of the worlds most reliable cars. Peugeot and citroen are not the builders of the worlds most reliable cars.

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329755 autonut Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:28:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329755 Meant to say: they have over two and a quarter century experience between both of them Meant to say: they have over two and a quarter century experience between both of them

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329751 autonut Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:27:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329751 Sport, you are correct. The fist places were pretty much scooped by BMW for 2007. That does not tell the whole story, as Toyota and Honda received a large number second and third places. I personally was not aware of those awards and out of curiosity peeked into past years. As it happens, most of those engines are 2-3 years old (or even more). Based on what I've seen Japanese manufactures received first and second places competing in the same category against same European engines in previous years. I don't doubt that BMW and Mercedes excellent engine manufacturers: they have over quarter century experience between both of them. Honda is building cars less then fifty years and Toyota a bit longer. My point is that they closing the gap working independently with mostly internal resources. Got Handling?, PSA & Toyota using the same factory to produce cars for Europe based on Toyota platform. Same arrangement as between Toyota and GM in CA. They are not building Luminas in CA. Sport, you are correct. The fist places were pretty much scooped by BMW for 2007. That does not tell the whole story, as Toyota and Honda received a large number second and third places. I personally was not aware of those awards and out of curiosity peeked into past years. As it happens, most of those engines are 2-3 years old (or even more). Based on what I’ve seen Japanese manufactures received first and second places competing in the same category against same European engines in previous years.

I don’t doubt that BMW and Mercedes excellent engine manufacturers: they have over quarter century experience between both of them. Honda is building cars less then fifty years and Toyota a bit longer. My point is that they closing the gap working independently with mostly internal resources.

Got Handling?, PSA & Toyota using the same factory to produce cars for Europe based on Toyota platform. Same arrangement as between Toyota and GM in CA. They are not building Luminas in CA.

]]> By: Sport http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329638 Sport Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:15:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329638 "Snooty Europeans being creamed by Japs." I don't think there's a more delusional bunch of people than Japanese car fans. - BMW has again dominated the International Engine of the Year Awards, with its new 3.0 liter inline-six twin-turbo engine from the 335i and 5.0 liter V10 from the M5 and M6 winning top praise. BMW dominated more than half of the awards. The results: Best engine BMW 3.0L Twin-turbo (335i) Best performance engine BMW 5.0L V10 (M5, M6) Best fuel economy Toyota 1.5L Hybrid Synergy drive (Prius) Under 1.0 liter Toyota 1.0L (Yaris) 1.0 to 1.4 liters Volkswagen 1.4L TSI (Golf, Jetta) 1.4 to 1.8 liters BMW-PSA 1.6LTurbo (Mini) 1.8 to 2.0 liters Volkswagen 2.0L Turbo (Golf, Audi A3, Audi A6) 2.0 to 2.5 liters BMW 2.5L (325i, 525i, X3, Z4) 2.5 to 3.0 liters BMW 3L Twin-Turbo (335i) 3.0 to 4.0 liters Porsche 3.6L Turbo (996 Turbo) More than 4.0 liters BMW 5.0L V10 (M5, M6) http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-straight-six-v10-sweep-engine-awards.html “Snooty Europeans being creamed by Japs.”

I don’t think there’s a more delusional bunch of people than Japanese car fans.

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BMW has again dominated the International Engine of the Year Awards, with its new 3.0 liter inline-six twin-turbo engine from the 335i and 5.0 liter V10 from the M5 and M6 winning top praise. BMW dominated more than half of the awards.

The results:

Best engine
BMW 3.0L Twin-turbo (335i)

Best performance engine
BMW 5.0L V10 (M5, M6)

Best fuel economy
Toyota 1.5L Hybrid Synergy drive (Prius)

Under 1.0 liter
Toyota 1.0L (Yaris)

1.0 to 1.4 liters
Volkswagen 1.4L TSI (Golf, Jetta)

1.4 to 1.8 liters
BMW-PSA 1.6LTurbo (Mini)

1.8 to 2.0 liters
Volkswagen 2.0L Turbo (Golf, Audi A3, Audi A6)

2.0 to 2.5 liters
BMW 2.5L (325i, 525i, X3, Z4)

2.5 to 3.0 liters
BMW 3L Twin-Turbo (335i)

3.0 to 4.0 liters
Porsche 3.6L Turbo (996 Turbo)

More than 4.0 liters
BMW 5.0L V10 (M5, M6)

http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-straight-six-v10-sweep-engine-awards.html

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329603 jackjimturkey Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:34:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329603 bad idea bad idea

]]> By: Syrax http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329600 Syrax Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:32:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329600 autonut: yes, it was manufactured in brazil, but it was a shit. they are building C Classes now, much better than they did with A Class and previous C Classes. autonut: yes, it was manufactured in brazil, but it was a ****. they are building C Classes now, much better than they did with A Class and previous C Classes.

]]> By: kosai03 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329590 kosai03 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:16:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329590 Yamaha actually does a lot of engine work for Toyota Yamaha actually does a lot of engine work for Toyota

]]> By: Got Handling? http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329563 Got Handling? Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:59:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329563 Toyota worked with PSA to build the AYGO / C1 / 107 autonut Toyota worked with PSA to build the AYGO / C1 / 107 autonut

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329552 autonut Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:35:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329552 Wasn't the first engine in Mini of MB origin albeit manufactured in Brazil? Wasn’t the first engine in Mini of MB origin albeit manufactured in Brazil?

]]> By: Rotman http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329536 Rotman Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:05:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329536 @Got Handling? That will be the socalled 'Prince engine', which is developed by BMW and the PSA corporation. I don't see Mercedes partnering with BMW that easily though. @Got Handling?

That will be the socalled ‘Prince engine’, which is developed by BMW and the PSA corporation. I don’t see Mercedes partnering with BMW that easily though.

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329535 autonut Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:59:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329535 Snooty Europeans being creamed by Japs. Does anyone hear anything about Honda or Toyota partnering to develop an engine? They crank them out like cup cakes. Tiny Honda in US market had 3 v6's last season: 3.0L in Accord, 3.2L in TL and 3.5L everywhere from truck to RL to Saturn Vue Red Line. On top of it they all were different. Toyota produced engines for Toyota and for Lotus and God knows for whom else. Since Renault bought into Nissan you don't read about them looking for partner to develop anything. Snooty Europeans being creamed by Japs. Does anyone hear anything about Honda or Toyota partnering to develop an engine? They crank them out like cup cakes.
Tiny Honda in US market had 3 v6’s last season: 3.0L in Accord, 3.2L in TL and 3.5L everywhere from truck to RL to Saturn Vue Red Line. On top of it they all were different.
Toyota produced engines for Toyota and for Lotus and God knows for whom else. Since Renault bought into Nissan you don’t read about them looking for partner to develop anything.

]]> By: Got Handling? http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html/comment-page-1#comment-329534 Got Handling? Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:54:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/peugeot-citroen-to-partner-with-bmw-mercedes.html#comment-329534 Don't PSA and BMW already build MINI engines together? Don’t PSA and BMW already build MINI engines together?

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