What the hell is that grill !? Why didn’t they leave it like it was? It kinda looked nice.

And what is so new about the engine. Isn’t it the one the GTP uses right now? Produces the same power so what is the point?

First, the engine is an excellent engine (although GM is shoving it into everything, which I’m against). Second, depending on the price-point, it can be a big seller to the masses; I see a lot of G6’s on the road.

that kinda sucks where the Torrent gets more HP than the G6. Doesn’t make sense!

Proof that Gay Motors are dumb…….. recent story on the new Saturn Vue Red Line will get 250 hp engine where this Torrent will get 263 hp engine.

I love it, And the grill is perfect. Never been one for large grill work, but this one actuall looks have descent

wait wait wait, they’re making a GXP version of the TORRENT? We’re talking about the same SUV here right, I know that I’m talking about the disgustingly obvious badge clone job of the Chevy Equinox, itself a too large for its class, terrible fit and finish, poor driving and outclassed SUV…yeah good job GM, makes sense.

F451: The only reason you see a lot of G6’s on the road, and this is no lie, pure fact, is because Pontiac dealers sell them for DIRT CHEAP, thousands off of MSRP, yes you see a lot of them, but noone would buy them at full price, check your local car dealer classifieds and you’ll see what I’m talking about…now consider that you also see lots of Accords, Camrys, and Altimas too…and yet those are sold at MSRP. Says something about product quality now doesnt it

I don’t care how good this engine is, it isn’t new, as it sais up there. And by the way if you call that a perfect engine, boy you have to test drive some cars out there.

LamborghiniZ,
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It does make one wonder why a customer chose to purchase a G6 over the other vehicles you mentioned when an automobile loan is among the easiest loans to acquire? Is it that people who purchase a G6 place their emphasis elsewhere other an automobile? (Two of my friends can buy any of the cars shown in LeftlaneNews and they’ve both chosen staid run-of-the-mill automobiles.)

onur,

No one adverted to the engine being perfect, but this particular engine platform is slated for multiple duty, and has a lot growth potential.

Looks nice

First, you’ve said It’s an excellent engine, not me. Then, I wouldn’t call an engine excellent (or even very good) just because it has growth potential. It has to be already grown to maximum (or close to it) for me to call it that.

how is this engine good? how can a 3.6 liter V6 give u only 252 hp? how?

well said 55AMG!! exelent engine? maybe in 1989 but today thatspathetic

Come on gm the Japanese can get 315bhp out of the new infiniti G35’s 3.5L V6 with is a lot better than 263bhp from 3.6L!

I want to defend domestics but they are running though seriously though times. At least make some effort to beat the competition because this car is absolutely pathetic.

I think that they called it a “new” engine because it is new to the G6.

I don’t know why the 3.6 is only making 252 hp in the G6 application, but in GM’s lambda vehicles, it is making 275 hp. This engine will also be used in the 08 CTS and should produce over 300 hp. I would say that it is a good engine.

The whale tail is waaaay too big and I could do without the hood scoops. But it’s a decent looking car. I agree with the above guys lamenting it’s low hp numbers, though. Weak.

Also, I love how they screwed a manual’s knob onto the auto tranny’s shifter. That gate is an auto – it’s too skinny – IT’S IN PARK!

252 is what it makes in the Epsilon cars (Aura, Malibu, G6) for whatever reason. Probably something about intake piping, exhaust routing, etc.

Isn’t this website for auto enthusiasts? I don’t understand how someone can be an auto enthusiast – someone who has passion for not only performance but the design of cars, be a fan of Camrys and Accords. Looking like them is like staring at a blank wall.

Vertical, read any auto publication, such as Car and Driver, or drive an Accord yourself, as I have many a time, and you’ll figure out that the Accord while being styled blandly on the exterior, is actually a relatively sporty car for the midsize family sedan class, compared with most competitors, it surpasses them in build quality as well, giving it a great mix of sporty attributes and quality materials. The Camry on the other hand, while being of extremely high quality, is not sporty, I recognize that, however it IS built to the tastes of the masses, it is brilliantly engineered to be the perfect car for 90% of America, and that’s why it sells. As an auto enthusiast, as you say we should all be, I respect the Camry for being a great car for what it is meant to do, and for fulfilling the role that the automobile is used for in the majority of American households.

Hmmm, 250 – 260 hp out of a 3.6L (and 300 on the coming Caddy) … well, Nissan’s VQ 3.5L already does over 300 hp and it’s NOT even direct injection YET.

This is another reason I will not buy “American”.

oddglat:

This car does not compete with the Infinti G35, so that’s kind of a bad comparison. It is easier to make horsepower with more displacement, meaning cheaper. GM’s 2.0L Ecotec makes 260 HP with a turbo, showing it has the capacity to build a small-displacement high-output mill (high-output in the context of the market at least). As many 3.6s GM pumps out these days, it must be a lot cheaper to retune the engine computer and maybe throw in a bigger cam on one of these to get 263 HP than to fit a turboed Ecotec in there.

Impulsive
You make GM’s 3.6 sound like a terrible engine when it really isn’t. Nissan does make a fantastic V6 engine. Thanks, we know. But if you look at what the G6 will be up against, it does stack up fairly well as far as the drivetrain is concerned. The 3.5 in the Camry makes 268. The 3.5 in the Altima makes 270. The v6 in the Accord is making 244. The 3.6 in the uber expensive Passat makes 280. The Altima CVT will do 0-60 in 6.6 sec. The Saturn Aura with the 3.6 will do 0-60 in 6.5, even when the Altima was an extra 18 hp. Because of current platform constraints, GM’s 3.6 can only make 252 hp in epsilon cars. On the Lambda platform the 3.6 is making 275, without direct injection. It seems pretty competitive to me.

A CTS with the DI 3.6 making over 300 hp, is also very competitive. The 3.5 in the Lexus IS only makes 306 with direct injection. The 3.5 in the Acura TL only makes 286. Mercedes 3.5 only makes 268. Audi’s 3.2 with direct injection only makes 255. BMW’s 335i motor is only listed at 300.

The 3.6 should be a reason FOR buying “American.”

55amg: well, would you prefer a Vortec 4.3L V-6 making 190 HP/250 FT-LBS of torque? That’s been the standard engine in most Blazers for a decade or more…

The Blazer is no longer made.

so nice !

Yes, Lamborghini, I agree with your points on the Camry and Accord. But for those of us who appreciate styling and try to appreciate the styling of some of the latest American vehicles get quite tired of hearing Camry and Accord lovers knocking everything put out by their own country, and whining that the quality isn’t up to that of the Camry and Accord. Do you see American car fans trying to direct the comments of damn near every announcement toward a knock on the boring design of Camry and Accord?

carsarecool, just wanted you to know that 306hp on the Lexus is considered over 300hp as well(don’t expect the CTS doing much above that)…the 335i is a 3.0 making 300hp…the audi 255hp is a 3.2 (probably a 3.6 would get more power)

The G6 GXP would be a cool idea if the GTP didn’t already exist. I think they’re going to confuse the average customer (at least in terms of identifying various models, GT, GTP, GXP). However, maybe they’re trying to appease people who want a little more performance but don’t want to look like an overgrown high schooler with the lowered look and the funky wing.

As for the Torrent…I think they’re just trying to move some of these. I prefer the look of the Torrent to the Equinox, but I don’t like the price. Too expensive for what it is. Maybe by adding some performance and a sportier appearance people will consider the Torrent seriously.

Lambo, check out the Fusion Challenge at http://www.fusionchallenge.com Now you will get some Ford spin on it, but the Fusion is in the market with the Camary and Accord, with better styling. Just because it is domestic, does not make it bad.

No, but the fact that its interior has a Ford parts bin look (and yes, it does, no denying that), and the fact that it has rated behind the Accord, Altima in a variety of categories, both of the two I just mentioned combine both sportiness with utility, while the Fusion simply has sportiness, it doesn’t quite meet the standards in this category, though it is a step up for Ford, it’s not good enough.

LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME PRAISING THE ACCORD AND ALTIMA, MUST BE THE FIRST TIME I EVER PRAISED A CAR , just making sure you’re seeing this, so you can’t pull you’re usual bull**** about me “”"”ripping”"”" on everything

“carsarecool”, the point is they’re not leaders in the engine department and certainly aren’t leaders in the reliability department, and have proved their failure over the last couple of decades.

Won’t touch ‘em.

Carsarecool: I’m aware of that. I was just pointing out to 55amg that there are worse engines out there to choose from. I think GM can do a much better job at squeezing the largest possible engine in their vehicles.

so I see the 1996 design team hasn’t been fired ? The G6 was a very welcome departure from the usual tackyness of previous pontiacs, but with the GXP it looks like they have gone back to the uglyness, those hoodscoops are buring my eyes, as is the saggy kidney grill, and the whale tail spoiler, oh and the forward mounted “shark fin”. Does GM seriously not understand why they don’t sell as much as they would like???? Because I understand all of the reasons, they must throw pencils at the ceiling all day…..

What have they done to the original G6? The old one was praised for its clean and simple shape. I have to agree that the Cladding Team of the Pontiac designers are back with vengeance in messing Pontiac up again. The Torrent is equally hideous, they should look at Opel/Saturn for a change.

What’s with the third light in the spoiler of the G6, my god that is real awfull looking.

What a lame attempt to make a lame car cool. Gonna look really weird on the rental lots

camel-toe grill.

Bugs bunny teeth for a grille up front, huge oversized whale tail in the back…..lovely combination.

syrax,

great point on pointing out the twin turbo bmw i6 in the 335 puts out more power than the 3.6 GM is dropping in the GXP.

In other thew the sky is blue.

What is the maxima rocking this year? 255? The regular Acura TL what 258 horse 233 tq?

clap….clap…we have a slightly postive domestic comment

togo, i thought i’ve said that, sorry. i was thinking that the 335 doesn’t count, ’cause is on turbo.

WUT IN THE HELL IS THAT WING!!!!!!!!!!!

WUT IN THE HELL IS THAT WING!!!!

Pontiac really needs to completely redesign the front ends of their cars. They all look the same. Every new car they come out with looks dated automatically because that kidney grille design in front has been going on for too long. They squish the grille, they widen it and this time they’ve stretched it with unfortunate results; nice beaver.

The G6 is way to over done, whats with the spoiler? its terrible, and it doesn’t even have more power then the standard GTP

Both vehicles look crap-tastic.

WHOOOAAAA!!! the whale spoiler!!! Is it a delete option?? Better be!

Ford Mustang, Suburu, Mistuibisu have that option. Pontiac should follow suit.

I didnt bother to read all the comments, but from what i believe the GTP will be replaced by the GXP

Not the biggest wing ive seen on cars, maybe better if it was shaped differntly. I dont think it’s that bad looking, but the LLN experts say its ugly, so i must be wrong.

GM honestly think that this can go up against the 2009 supra?

weak

Are you friggen stupid? No, no they don’t you turd-brain. GM might however think that the new Camaro will be able to go up against the 2009 Supra…

These things are going to sell like hotcakes on the market. I want to get a G6 GXP and start hunting M3’s and M5’s with it. A Torrent GXP would looks nice parked next to it too, hmmmmm. My neighbor is going to be jealous when he finds my Pontiac is better than his wifes POS Lexass RX!

Hunting down an M3?! That’s quite an exaggeration, the GTO and CTS-V with 400HP could pull that off. Its best to let the GXP compete with the Altima and Accord coupes…

Accord and Altima have been trash for years. Especially when they spend more time on the back of flatbeds than on the actual road! The G6 GXP is on a much higher level than those two. Your kidding yourself to think otherwise.

No…I don’t think I am. And I’m as big a G6 fan as anyone…within the limits of sanity anyways. Whatever level its on, GM isn’t going to have its midsized family coupe nipping at the heels of a CTS-V.

It won’t be nipping at the heels of the CTS-V because that car has bigger fish to fry, like 911’s. No the G6 will do just fine against those piddly German POS. You’re giving BMW too much credit.

No you’re giving the GXP too much credit. How is a 252HP FWD coupe going to win against a 333HP RWD coupe?

No you’re giving the GXP too much credit. How is a 252HP FWD coupe going to win against a 333HP RWD coupe?

Simple, the BMW will be riding a tow truck or a flatbed down the dragstrip. The Pontiac will still be purring along like a beautiful swiss timepiece. It’s called engineering and the Germans have nothing on GM.

Gm#1-4ever….. you keep saying that the other premium cars being on the flatbed of trucks….. well, maybe its because you’re too SCARED to race with them on the road in a P.O.S G6!!! You know u will LOSE!!!

FYI, ive seen quite few of G6 on the flatbed. Don’t talk smack, moron!

GMnumberone4ever: they have nothing on GM except that they actually know how to build an automobile, rather than just putting together a shabby excuse for a car and slapping 3 different badges on it and calling all the 3 cars brand new…I don’t see BMW doing that. It’s called quality, and GM has none of it, at all. Shut the hell up for once I’m getting irritated of your totally idiotic posts, and everyone else is too

bauer100 : go to the concept car link in the article, look in the photo gallery, and youll see what i mean

These are awesome. Pontiac is really shaping up to be a German trasher. Bring on the BMW, the MB, the Volvo, the Audi cause y’all are goin down!

lets hope these ****mobiles save GM cuz otherwise GMrules, GMnumber1, and it seems like Simple Life too will cry. they wont have their “german trashers” anymore lmaol

Is Pontiac Hyundai’s new performance division or something?

Oh yeah, it must be their rental fleet division.

GM#14ever…

Stop speaking.

Seriously.

I love GM, and will probably never own anything not made by them.

But seriously.

BMW makes much higher vehicles than GM does now. That could change with the new malibu and CTS, Which so far look like serious competitive vehicles.

But as it stands, GM quality cant touch BMW, MB, Audi, and other German automakers. GM has produced crap the last 20 years, save for the vette and a few other exceptions. If you cant admit that, Then you live in a dream world.

That being said, I am cautiosly optimistic that GM may be back on track after all these years.

And for my two cents on these two vehicles: G6 GXP needs ALOT more power before it can rightfully wear that look. The Torrent GXP is just stupid.

Oddglat should shut up as well.

When did GM ever say This was Supra competition?

Also, when did Toyota Officially announce a 2009 supra?
I may be wrong, but I somehow think that they never did…

This car may not be for everyone, But I think the aggressive syling on this car is extremely nice. And will deff plan on test driving and probably buying. Pontiac is headed in a good direction of being more “sporty”.

I just saw one of the G6 GXPs in person and I think it looks quite nice to my eyes. I’d take one. All black, please.