Emissions standards suck.
Gotta die of somethin’!

These regulations are overdue and Porsche will just have to cry over it. Hopefully other regions will follow in the example.

About 30-40% of Porsche cars are sold in States and 25-30% to Saudis of one form or another. There are very few folks in Europe who can afford them, albeit Germany and Italy are the only countries to drive them. This is just pissing contest on part of Porsche. Now the Europeans definitely will mandate it: how many new Porsches are sold in Norway, Poland or Belgium? Do they give a damn about rich krauts desires to race their cars at expense of lung cancer and green house effects?

Porsche- save the millions you’ll waste on legal fees against a case you’ll loose and invest it in R&D for engines that meet those standards. That’s a fight you won’t win.

I’m glad Porsche is standing up to them. The wacko tree huggers have had too much power for too long. It’s amazing to me that people don’t realize that the weather cycles. I live in Kansas. We’ve been in a drought for the last 8 years or so. People were griping left and right about global warming. Guess what? This year it started raining like crazy and it barely topped 100 degrees F. (it has been well over 110 degrees F for extended periods during the drought) Now you don’t hear a soul complaining about global warming in Kansas. The weather cycles. It is natural. Get over it.

I agree with the CEO – Porcshe and the rest of them should have seperate standards. Because of CAFE, Cadillac and Buick and Benz and BMW are forced to downsize.

European CO2 is just a sorry ass excuse European governments use to create tax tables and generate revenue. If they are going to tax the **** out of you for CO2, then my the very same measure they should offer you monetary credit for going out and planting trees…but they aren’t interested in allowing you to offset your CO2 generation. CO2 tax has nothing even remotely to do with protecting the environment, its a 1 sided street designed to steal your money. If you can’t see through the lie of the CO2 tax, then you’re truly blind and stupid.

I wonder if the articles title read “Ford considers legal action against EU” would the general responses be different, perhaps more negative towards the automobile manufacturer as opposed to the Union. Just a random thought….

All the more reason to work on alternative fuels. Gasifaction of Coal yields gas that is vastly cleaner than Petrol gas. The stuff so clean it looks like alcohol. on the energy side.

Better power train designs and more efficient vehicle designs, lay off the steel, would be good.

If any one can make it Porsche can. They just have to want to do it.

Jaguar XJ-S,

One mild summer does not mean the threat has passed. Evidence shows that extremes of weather are to be expected if Global Warming persists. A few years of flooding and a few years of drought, growing more severe for years.

It can be argued that a few years of drought does not mean global warming is for real. To that I say, whether you believe the evidence and scientific facts, just go with this. The associated industries need to do better because better is there to do.

We marvel at the latest computer technology technology, the newest in performance footwear, and whatever catches your eye on TV/cable/web and so on. This stuff gets improved and updated every few years. Yet Automotive technology has not changed fundamentally since the the car was first invented over 100 years ago.

We still use internal combustion engines and petroleum based fuel. While the car itself has evolved over time, the fact remains that the everything else, computers, aircraft, footwear, and so on, has changed and fundamentally improved, yet automobiles and the energy that produces and runs them has not.

Changing as the world needs that change is part of the game. If Porsche can’t then they will die. But I doubt that will happen. When push comes to shove, Porsche, like any other auto company, will step up and perform brilliantly.

They aren’t the only one’s who claim to have awesome engineers. Well it’s time to make them earn that pay.

HA! Where are all the wankers who say only the Big 3 complain about emmissions standards?

Personally, I hate Brussels and am against them, but since Porsche drivers tend to be arrogant phucks I’d love to see the wind taken out of them a bit. They gotta do their part and sacrifice to clean up the world and save the planet and all that bullcrap, right? Blah blah blah.

Jag: I used to live in kansas. People there don’t complain about global warming beacause they’re too levelheaded for that.

Kansans are good people, but they’re horrible at pickking politicians

****ing bastards. All of them, taxing the living **** out of everyone. The EU environmental officials should be brought to their knees, cut off from their salaries and forced to work a real ****ing job. Unreal.

Deanster – yupp. I can’t wait for a Democrat to win the upcoming US election (which WILL happen). It’s gonna be a taxing FIESTA

jackjimturkey, you described all 50 states in one sentence.
I personally don’t believe that global worming is direct cause of human activity. At some point Greenland was actually green, now it is all ice and getting to be green again. This is cyclical climate change. However, if you look at the metropolises of Europe, you can see results of automobile pollution, especially if you visit infrequently. Their cities are covered in soot and it is getting worse. On top of it, lung deceases are proliferating. Europe does have a serious pollution problem, in part because they started regulating emissions much later then US.
Porsche’s complaining/suit is like Nazis complaining that sub-humans(non-krauts) don’t want to jump into Dachau ovens voluntarily and need to be pushed and showed in.

just make one car in the line a cheap econo 4 cylinder and make a bunch of them. Case solved.

Porsche suing.. gimme a break. ****ing crybabies “Oh no they’re gonna cut into our 20 grand per car profit” boo hoo. SHUT THE HELL UP and reform your **** like every other manufacturer.

^ I LIKE YOUR THINKING

oh well…

porsche just thinks theyre getting higher and higher on a pedastal, when in reality their luck will run out.

Well f*cking said, manhertm! They’re just a bunch of losers getting their panties twisted over this. It had to be Porsche b*tching, so typical of that arrogant company.

….OR the money they invest to pursue such a lawsuit can be used in Porsche’s R&D to try to actually cut CO2 emissions so that Porsche can comply with EU standards.

damn right manhertm, porsche is just crying about making their inefficient sports cars gas friendly. Like previous posts said shut the **** up and fix it. Lord knows they have enough money for research with the profit they turn on all of the expensive ass cars they build. To me i figured they would take this head on as a challenge to tackle. If they are “the best sports car maker on the planet” they should be excited about ringing out performance while still being conscious of the environment. Lets go porsche and see just what kind of engineering masterminds you are.

Hmmm… methinks that Cayenne Turbo that gets 12 mpg in the city might be toast.

Jag, your in moron. If you did any kind of research youd think different. You dont know it all and your opinion…..doesnt make it a fact. Global Warming is real……and even if you dont agree, making car companys live up to better standards is something everything goes through. Your life is in higherstandards, your food, your water, your health, and this is just something that needs to happen. Cars should be made in better standards including how much it creates co2. If you really think the weather is all because of its cycles and that we have had noooooo impact at all. Your a dumb ass and should go back to school.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA …. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA …

SHADAP and adapt.

Honda did.

Yeah anyclearer, global warming is real. That man caused it IS NOT!

My environment gets warmer each summer and cooler each winter. Man i not the cause.

Antarctica was once tropical (dinosaur times). Man didn’t make it a deep freeze.

The sahara was once lush. Man didn’t make it a desert.

You once had the ability to reason. Nature took that away too.

I always respected Porsche as a company. I always thought it was their customers who were arrogant jerks. But know this proves they are just the same.

The problem is that the people who make the regulations for cars and the car industry never know anything about cars or the car industry. That is why porsche calls them “naive”. Lawmakers don’t realize how difficult it will be for porsche to meet those regulations when their main product is high-end sports cars like the 911.

oh boo-hoo, poor porsche! As much as I’m against increasing emissions legislation… **** ‘em, that’s what you get for putting all of your eggs in the high-performance basket. Maybe if you stopped trying to take over VW, you could actually invest in some cleaner engines.

damn it… that stupid ****tard Jaguar had to finally go make some sense… but now we have a new kind of the ****tards on this thread – anyclearer…

yeah, there is such a thing as climate change… but it has nothing to do with man. Gee… did we watch Gore’s docu-garbage recently? Let me guess.. you believe everything Michael Moore tells you too? There have been many times in the earths history where the overall climate was much warmer than it is now.. how the **** do you think a bunch of giant reptiles were able to flourish around the globe? We’re just now coming out of what’s known as the “little ice age,” places like Greenland was once a lot “greener” than it is today, despite all the hype in the news (just tonight ironically) about the ice sheets melting…. the sahara used to be lush and tropical… florida used to be underwater. It’s all cyclical and we have nothing to do with it… the earth has been doing this **** long before man started burning stuff.

So get over yourself you treehugging pansy… besides I’ll be dead long before the worst of it comes and we cool back into another ice age.. so what the **** do I care?

I think I’ll go burn something just for the hell of it… and maybe club a baby seal while I’m at it.

Commodore, isn’t that the whole point?

Don’t do that Porsche. Be mature! Learn and adapt, see how MerC invent Diesotto..

As a European I’m getting bloody fed up with the EU. Please EU, do all of us a favor and piss off and let the people decide again. Thank you.

Kenny W, your point is correct. Porsche is a specialy automaker and we hate to see them get killed by these laws. Ford, like GM, VW, Toyota, Honda and Nissan is a mainstream automaker with much higher volumes and a wide variety of vehicles. Therefore, we expect more from them.

CO2 ???????

Stop breathing all you bastard people and animals.

Let me LIVE !!!!

You people have a very one dimensional thought process. Sure, Global Warming may or may not been caused by humans, but that doesn’t mean we have the responsibility to stop it from devastating our environment, regardless of it’s a natural process or not. Ice ages are natural too, but if we were headed into an ice age and our survival was at risk, should we not intervene and preserve our place in this planet? The argument is not WHO is contributing to Global Warming, it’s HOW we stop it. And besides, it’s like it’s been said in the previous posts… every other car maker is adapting. **** Porsche.

Stop whining and start innovating or face extinction. It’s that simple.

I love it, a horde of intellectual elites solving the worlds problems with cheap bumper sticker sound bites. Some of you throw out the word ‘adapt’ as if Porsche were an adolescent brat refusing to eat their brussel sprouts. You make ignorance truely look blissful. Any idea how much that five-letter word costs auto manufacturers to implement? Sorry, rhetorical question…. Of course you don’t! What’s truely magical is these same idiots will also be the ones complaining their cars are too expensive!

Wickeddated – It scares me you’d be willing to try and change the earth’s climate. Actually, not only willing, but suggest and support the attempt. Scary. Weather forecasters can’t even get tomorrow’s weather right and you want to change the climate. As if the world’s climate was some cheap little transformer toy to take apart and try to fix. If I had to guess, there would be parts left over. Maybe before we take on such a daunting task, we might try something easy like terra-forming the Saharra into a rain forest? Or maybe we should at least practice on the moon first, or maybe Mars. Manufacturers are having a hard time developing cheap fuel efficienct vehicles, and you want to get busy reshaping the Earth’s atmosphere.

God save the queen.

Its not a case of adapting. The world needs revolution, not evolution to beat climate change. Instead of investing in fuel-efficient vehicles, why don’t you put all your funds into hydrogen fuel cell technology, which IS the way forward. We’re going to have to give up petrol one day, so let it be sooner rather than later!

AMGoff, your Americanness makes want to puke. Yes, climate change is cyclical, but have you seen how the cycle increased in the last 30-40 years? If it was going along normally, then the effects of global warming wouldn’t be as pronounced as they are now. Go do some research, ignorant idiot, before spewing out some ridiculous **** that you use as your defense.

It won’t be Al Gore that saves us from climate change, nor will it even be an ecologist. We will be saved by science, not nonsense political rantings.

Wow Aston, I didn’t think it was possible but you sound almost as hateful as I do. Too bad we’re on opposite ends of the spectrum. Before you go and label others ignorant idiots, ponder this point a moment. What’s your point of reference for that 30-40 year increase? Weather data that is post-dated from the Revolutionary War? How can anyone make an inference on cyclical weather when their data doesn’t even account for a full cycle? In case you haven’t heard, the data that NASA produced for the hockey stick graph showing a so-called increased rate of warming has been torn apart by an amateur from Canada. Key areas of data were conveniently miscalculated. Oops. So yeah, today’s climate is indeed COOLER than it was in the early 30s. And that’s it. There is no clear perspective of North American weather data prior to Ben Franklin noting it daily in his little newspapaer let alone WORLD data. There was an ice age 20,000 years ago. Continents now bare were once lush. Pretty drastic changes. We can’t even accurately predict the path of a hurricane 5 days in advance, but we are POSITIVE this planet is is going to lose it’s ice caps in 10 years. I don’t think I need to say much more.

Oh Ass-ton Martin, so glad you’ve rejoined the ranks. Piablo beat me to it. Humanity has only been keeping written historical records of temperature for the past couple hundred years. How the hell are we to know what’s abnormal? Do the world a favor and choke on my “Americanness” induced vomit, since you have nothing substantial to offer to any conversation.

Time to go kill/burn something else…

Hey dumbasses, GHG’s (greenhouse gases) have increased by a third since the Industrial Revolution. We can calculate this, so don’t give me your written record crap. Coincidentally, the North polar icecap is melting big time, so much so that the North-West passage is now open. Temperature swings take thousands of years, but over the last dew decades, the Earth’s temperature has risen so much that it would take much longer for the cycle to happen naturally.
The evidence is: Whale and walrus numbers are far lower than they should be, even if they were hunted. The freshwater draining off coasts is decreasing the salinity of coastal sea areas. Plankton are moving further North to escape the warming water.
Yes, there has been a natural cycle, but over the last 50 years (records had started) the cycle has sped up drastically. COINCIDENTALLY, that was when industry and cars were on the rise.

obviously, Porsche are adapting to the new CO2 cutting trend with hybrid SUVs and family units, but changing the emissions of all there models is impossible, It is a big risk change if they tried, Porsche are just making their point that the EU are controlling too much. Porsche vehicles contribute a minute amount of the sum of all emissions of the world. Why should Porsche have to change so much over the little emissions they produce.

PIABLO- ” It scares me you’d be willing to try and change the earth’s climate. Actually, not only willing, but suggest and support the attempt. Scary. Weather forecasters can’t even get tomorrow’s weather right and you want to change the climate.”

I don’t know which country you live in, but here in America the weather forecast is pretty damn accurate, down to the hour, give or take a couple of hours of margin. But that’s not really the point, the point is that this is what humans do– we control our environment. Don’t be scared. I know it’s hard for some to accept new technology, but don’t view it as something bad. In fact in the near future, scientists plan on controlling the weather (making it rain in places with severe drought, stopping tropical storms from becoming deadly hurricanes, etc). It’s science.

And yes, I do support that.

Wickedated – Controlling the weather and controlling the climate are two different things my friend. And that’s my point. So many really passionate people out there that don’t know what they are passionate about. Making it rain, or diverting rain is not lowering the Earth’s temperature. Any idea what measures would be needed to manipulate Earth’s climate? I would research it a bit before you stand behind it. What’s truley ironic, is how you want to reduce pollution and CO2 emmisions out of respect for nature and the environment, yet it’s perfectly okay to take control of the weather and yank it out of mother nature’s hands. People, as you believe, have not been responsible thus far, but I suppose they’ll get it right with weather manipulation? BTW, I live in Maryland and they never get the weather right.

Aston – Do your self a favor and check out this link.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0
Every one of your arguments are fallacies. Post Hoc, Ergo Proptor Hoc. Check that one out too.

Piablo, that was a pretty good argument against global warming. I must concede that I, with most of the scientific community could be wrong. But it seems pretty ostentatious that just a few people can prove the rest of the scientific community wrong. It seems that its the World vs America on global warming. Shame that global warmings second biggest causer is convinced it doesn’t exist.

I know that Porsche got a high reliability score but Its a little unfair bc they have no entry level car
that is a daily driver Porsches are babied and if you have one you keep it in the garage and drive it in the summertime Just thought I would mention that
I love the Cayenne though

Aston – You are right, in many aspects it is the world vs. USA. I can tell you one thing, it doesn’t have anything to do with the environment. It has everything to do with redistributing our wealth. Anyone ever wonder why solutions to global warming always deal with taxes or sending money off somewhere? Carbon credits, which allow so-called polluters to lead a guilt free life by paying money… They are not solutions, they are ways to redistribute our wealth. There are other areas of disagreement as well, at least for those who are truely in it for the environment and not just the promotion of Marxism. Probably the biggest, are we the cause? And without a doubt I can say no. Read the rest of those links, it’s a whole series called “The Deniers”. So considering the fact we are not the cause, then why in hell do we need stricter CAFE standards that simply make vehicles more expensive? Maybe if we didn’t have strict CAFE standards, alternate forms of energy would be cheaper to develop….how’s that for irony? We don’t need CAFE. Porsche as well as every other automanufacturer should fight this. And people really should stop buying into these schemes that simply promote class warfare.

thats the way brotha, its all $$$, this is how it goes down, If you dont pay, you will die. similar example is the milage tax.

I just love how someone who loves RRs and Crapton-Martins is balking about the environment. Maybe you can help the world by buying a prius too… cause that would do the trick!

Man doesn’t even have the faintest clue when it comes to this stuff yet, so stop pretending like you do. Why was it much cooler during the period know as the “little ice age” from the 13th century until the mid-19th century? How come in the centuries preceding that era were markedly warmer than they were today… leading to the population explosion in Europe of those middle ages? How come the rising temperatures from the mid-19th century onward also coincides with the start of a period of increased solar activity? How come during that “little ice age” the sun was in a period of very little solar activity?

Bottom line douche bag – there’s a whole lot more at play than man burning stuff. No one, and I mean NO ONE has a solid understanding of the earth’s climate cycles… and that includes you – Professor Ass-ton.

Get off your soapbox already and stop pretending you know everything – because so far you’ve only proven you know next to nothing, regardless of whether we’re talking about cars… or the environment.

BAD FOR PORSCHE AG…..I HOPE THEY COME TO A SETTLEMENT.