07/23/2007, 9:33 AM

Hybrid

Porsche developing hybrid Cayenne, Panamera

Porsche is developing a hybrid version of its next-generation Cayenne SUV and the upcoming Panamera four-door coupe. In an interview with a German car magazine, a Porsche engineer said that the Cayenne will manage 26.5 mpg in the European combined cycle.

That compares favorably with the 18.2 mpg figure that the current Cayenne receives in exactly the same testing with a V6. Germany’s Automobilwoche reports that the next Cayenne is expected for a 2010 release and that it will be slightly smaller than the current model and will lack any off road ability. The current Cayenne has strong off road credentials that aren’t explored by most owners.

 
 

07/23, 9:41 AM

posted by:

CarLord

That is a large improvement…nice.

07/23, 9:47 AM

posted by:

55amg

oh ****….

07/23, 9:48 AM

posted by:

global_lightning

The current Cayenne has strong off road credentials that aren’t explored by most owners.
If you’re gonna drop $60K+ on a Porsche, It think it will spend more time in Mr Clean’s Carwash than actually getting dirty…
Regarding hybrids, this is a good idea. It breaks the notion that hybrids are only good for Enviro-weenies.

07/23, 9:50 AM

posted by:

55amg

Porsche is loosing my respect

07/23, 10:07 AM

posted by:

wushuhsu

Porsche is dropping the ball here. It needs to focus on developing its Cayman product line, not its Cayenne product line. The Cayman represents the true Porsche tradition of high-performance sports cars with superb driving physics, if only Porsche would unleash its true potential with the bigger engine and LSD that it desperately needs.

07/23, 10:09 AM

posted by:

Piablo

I’ll second that….

It’s simply pandering to the public at it’s worst… If someone can afford a $70K car, and buys one, why in hell would they bitch about gas mileage?!?! 1000lbs of batteries make hybrids roving eco disasters. A hybrid Porsche is just one huge paradox.

07/23, 10:13 AM

posted by:

Veda

55amg, if it’s a real Porsche but with less fuel consumption then what’s the problem?

07/23, 10:36 AM

posted by:

global_lightning

People had the same gripe about the Cayenne when if first came out. “Porsche SUV? WTF?”; now it’s one of their best sellers. Think of it this way: it helps pay Porsche’s bills so they can put more R&D into the 911, Cayman, etc…
Also, remember it shares the same platform as the VW Tuareg, so I wouldn’t be surprised if VW is contributing in the background on this project, then we’ll see the results throughout the VW/Porsche lines.

07/23, 10:37 AM

posted by:

55amg

well maybe it wont be, plus the Cayenne not being able to go offroad bit…. I just feel Porsche makes performance cars not luxury cars

07/23, 11:47 AM

posted by:

m6-500attouchofabutton

if the hybrid is combined with the current v-8 on hte cayenne S with the electric motors it will be accelerate as fast as the turbo with some better mileage. Its a win win situation. Yea you lose the offroading ability but few use that. If you want to go offroading and you can afford this car by another one meant for offroading.

07/23, 11:53 AM

posted by:

peter g

Hi Piablo,

how about “Porsche Paradox”?

Whereas hybrid cars might be, at least, a shortterm answer to some challenges, bringing a hybrid Porsche Cayenne on the market surely isn’t.

07/23, 12:36 PM

posted by:

LP640

Cayenne is hideous but still manages to be sold to dumb soccer moms. a hybrid will be pointless as fuel consumption will still be terrible

07/23, 12:43 PM

posted by:

Scarface03

I have no problem with Porsche developing a hybrid. We all drool over the enthusiast models from Porsche–911 and Cayman–but Porsche remains independent and able to develop those brands because of the successes of Boxster and Cayenne. Boxsters were once criticized, after all, who would want a 911 with its front end sawed off, and mated to an engine less powerful than a base Carrera? Just buy a Carrera, right? I believe Cayenne has been the best-selling Porsche in annual sales since it’s introduction. So, without Boxster and Cayenne money, I wonder just how juicy the 997 would have been.
Piablo is half right. Those who can drop the coin on a Cayenne, surely can pay to fuel a non-hybrid, but the argument could be extended to all SUV owners. All SUV buyers who are worried about gas mileage should just buy a station wagon. Pure and simple. But, consumers (especially U.S. consumers) like their SUVs, and if you don’t develop hybrids, you’ll be left in the dust. Consumers will start thinking negatively upon companies that don’t embrace hybrid technology.
Side note: I’m not convinced that a V-8 hybrid would be as fast as the Cayenne Turbo. Hybrids are generally a lot heavier. I’m sure they could make a V-8 hybrid faster than the standard V-8, but I’m not sure about the Turbo.

07/23, 12:46 PM

posted by:

MY Si

SIT BACK AS THIS PORSCHE TAKES ON THE ONLY OTHER GAS HOG IN ITS TERRITORY! THE HUMMER H2 HYBRID! NOW WITH AN ASTOUNDING 9MPG! 1 MORE THAN THE STANDARD! people have forgot what hybrids are about and are now sticking the hybrid name on everything just to get attention. A hybrid Cayenne isnt a bad idea, no. but kinda unnessesary. Clearly this is going to sell well as people have been buying hybrids like crazy but it had better have some other gizmos and do-dads to justify the price and had better get over 30MPG to be considered a true Hybrid SUV.

07/23, 12:47 PM

posted by:

GcoupèJoe

Oh boy, the’ve started it now, now there will be ML and a Q7 hybrids on the way.

07/23, 1:39 PM

posted by:

Z06ified

I don’t see any point in offering hybrid versions of flashy, expensive vehicles. If someone can afford the $45k to $130k price tag of a Cayenne, then they sure as hell can afford the gas for one, and don’t really care what the fuel economy is.

The only reason to buy such a vehicle is to attempt to make a lame political or environmental statement. But I think it is hypocritical at best. It’s like eating Chilean Sea Bass, but saying it’s OK because you only had a smaller portion.

If someone wants to promote themselves as a green tree hugger, that’s fine. But they’re a hypocrit if they drive a Porsche Cayenne hybrid to work. If they truly were green tree huggers, they would take a bicycle to work or drive an economy car that gets over 50 MPG.

Not only that, but the Cayenne will suck up gas while offering hardly any utility. A hybrid Cayenne can’t tow, it’s not very big so it can’t hold much stuff inside, and now they say the next version won’t go offroad. So the only thing it will offer is people with personal insecurities to sit in a driving posiition to see above economy cars. For that “feature” it will produce 26 MPG at best.

I suppose the hypocritical Hollywood freak shows like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears will buy Porsche Cayenne hybrids. I could see Hillary Clinton enjoying one of these as well. Porsche Cayenne hybrid: the official vehicle of hypocrits.

07/23, 2:10 PM

posted by:

peter g

Well, it isn’t really about money. It’s about emissions, right?

07/23, 2:14 PM

posted by:

Aston Martin

IT SHOULD KEEP THE HIPPIES FROM CHAINING THEMSELVES TO THE GRILLE.

07/23, 2:15 PM

posted by:

Aston Martin

ALTHOUGH 26 MPG ISN’T THAT ASTONISHING EITHER.

07/23, 5:49 PM

posted by:

jJayC08

Z06ified, that pretty much sums it up… It’s a political and enviromental statement, not based on who’s going to buy it. I don’t see small hybrids getting too much crazed attention, for the most part I see the Prius and Escape getting most of the attention- I barely hear anything about the Civic.

The Porsche Cayenne is what, half of all Porsche sales as stated? A hybrid is a statement of I guess “modernism” if you will, a trend. Not only can you say you have a prestigue Porsche, but you can also note it’s a hybrid…

And I seriously doubt you’ll ever see a Porsche Cayenne off well paved streets… It’s offroad capability probably had no weighing when they made the possibility of having a hybrid system.

07/23, 5:51 PM

posted by:

jJayC08

And Aston Martin… do you ever make intelligent comments? Look at real life tests of competing vehicles and you’ll see exactly what 26 mpg is… It’s quite a bit in this market, although as I stated it’s more of a statement.

07/23, 6:38 PM

posted by:

global_lightning

What matters in a sports car:
- Acceleration
- Handling
- Braking
- In the case of the Cayenne, off-roading capability

Necessary Evils:
- Not killing its passengers and provide them with some comfort
- Comply with government standards
- Reliable enough to be driven off the dealership
- A driving range greater than gas-station to gas-station

HOW they do this is left to the engineers. Critiques should be spared until you buy one and see the end product for yourself.

07/23, 6:43 PM

posted by:

Piablo

Z06ified - Thanks for further clarifying. I’m not sure why others don’t find this ridiculous… To add to it, there were a few mentions about this adding to Porsche’s bottom line. Who cares? Suddenly everything that is good for the company is good for the customers? At least a diesel provides torque and fuel economy without the addition of a half ton in extra equipment. If someone is concerned about emissions, then they should take their money and start investing in fuel cell technology, not V6 SUVs with batteries. Doesn’t matter what the excuse is, hybrid SUVs are the definition of hypocrisy.

07/23, 6:50 PM

posted by:

Piablo

global_lightning - In order to criticize a Porsche one must buy one first? That’s pretty damn silly. The damn thing will have batteries. I don’t need to wait and spend $70k for it in order to understand how terrible a solution it is. I really don’t understand what the greenie enfatuation with battery powered cars is all about. There are other more viable solutions already at hand.

07/23, 8:33 PM

posted by:

autonutt

Interesting that Porsche seems proud that the next Cayenne will have NO off road ability, considering the recently introduced VW Touareg 2 is capitalizing on its offroad prowess as a main image point in advertising! Will the two not share the same platform in the next generation?

07/23, 8:50 PM

posted by:

kool_aje

Good, great, superb idea. But 26.5 mpg ain’t impress me much. Give me at least 35 mpg!

07/23, 8:53 PM

posted by:

global_lightning

No. If a car can do 0 - 60 in 2.9 seconds, does it matter if it has a 1000 HP turbo V12, or 28 serially mounted leaf-blower engines, or a Saturn V booster strapped to the back??? You guys are pretty quick to condemn yet the vehicle has not even been built yet.

07/23, 9:16 PM

posted by:

A4

Yes global lightning, but your just grasping at nothing with that comment. We all know that the hybrid version will not be high performance, itll be as slow as the V6 and itll weigh more and wont live up to the porsche name. Im thinkin more like 7.9 rather than 2.9 to 60.
And the Q7 WONT be getting hybrid technology, itll be getting TDI Diesel power bitch!

07/23, 9:26 PM

posted by:

global_lightning

You don’t know ****. I’m sure Porsche AG manangement is reading this right now and are saying “OH no! A4, 55amg, and Piablo aren’t happy. Better cancel this one quick! Good thing we have these self-appointed keepers of the Porsche name to keep us honest.”

07/23, 9:37 PM

posted by:

global_lightning

OTOH, I agree with you about a ‘Dirty Porche’. Sounds like a porn starlet (chickchicka bowwow)

07/23, 9:44 PM

posted by:

SRT-4Ken

==========>>lol global_lightning…..A4 does have a point tho about that 7.9 0-60 time….(JUST AN ESTIMATE, for the SMART-ALEX)…..

07/23, 10:18 PM

posted by:

Veda

“If someone can afford the $45k to $130k price tag of a Cayenne, then they sure as hell can afford the gas for one, and don’t really care what the fuel economy is.”

They can spare the $ but certainly not the time needed for the frequent refuels. If you own such a vehicle you’d understand… but you don’t, so stop making ignorant comments on the real luxury lifestyle.

07/23, 10:43 PM

posted by:

kool_aje

The car worth to be expensive is the car that has performance of supercar and at the same time has a great mileage. Fuel thirst cars are history. Face it, guys! cars have $100k and above on their price tag should offer more than just speed, fuel economy is a new issue to attract buyers

07/24, 9:06 AM

posted by:

Piablo

Veda, who is calling who ignorant? The luxury lifestyle?!? Then who is buying Escalades? Who is buying 911 Turbos? Ferraris? Any Mercedes V8 and beyond?? In case you haven’t noticed, every one of those vehicles get less than 20mpg each. No time for a fill-up… what? Clearly the luxury lifestyle elite are crying out for change.

Global_lightening, you completely missed the point. It’s not about Porsche per se, it’s about hybrids in general. Nobody has bigger Porsche pom-poms than yourself clearly, so I don’t know where the “self annointed keepers blah blah” comment came from. Being Porsche’s #1 fan, I’m surprised you wouldn’t expect more from the company than simply running with the rest of the pack and outfitting such a fine machine with Toyota class batteries and motors. Certainly not the leader in technology that I would expect.

07/24, 7:02 PM

posted by:

MB550

Piablo, I currently own a Cayenne S. No matter ones income, it would be nice to have better fuel consumption regardless of ones income.
Also, the automobiles you mention in you’re previous comment are not exactly the typical daily drivers, therfor fuel consumption does not really matter.

08/05, 12:31 PM

posted by:

BLISS

LET US SEE WHAT PORSCHE HAE IN STORE.

 
 
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