looks like just a commmodore with a photoshopped pntiac grille, but it works…

Not bad, but at the end of the day, its still just a Pontiac. “Poor Old Nigga Thinks It’s A Cadillac”

I dont think you can call it “just a Pontiac” considering the cars Companies like Ford are putting out. They got some mean looking cars right now. Kudos to Pontiac, and kudos to GM. They’re still numero uno of the American cars. Always will.

number one……..never that!!!

And whoever said you couldn’t work a racial slur into a car website?!

hoperfully it doesnt look like that. CUS THAT SUX

DID THEY NOT LEARN THE FIRST TIME!! No matter how good the chassis is or how powerful and developed the engine is an Australian car with a stupid grille job will not sell!!

http://www.millstonegraphics.com/transam/magHPPart.html

This should be what the front end looks like; the rear should incorporate the Pontiac logo as LED taillights. If relatively small Chrysler can make the 300/charger/magnum look different than there should be no challenge for the “colossus of chrome”.

Looks just as boring as the GTO, and we all know how that went.

i agree with 2006300C. like the 2004 GTO, it’s a good start, but they need to do more with the styling. make it more exciting and american. pontiac has put out some good looking cars recently (solstice and g6). they need to keep the ball rolling.

you guys have to get that horrid (whoosh! whoosh!) ad off of these pages. please.

2006300C, chill dude ! This is Motor Trends look-see into the future, it’s not a GM design. I like the look of the car in your link though, it’s pure Pontiac excitement !

Looks decent. Now get a Buick/Chevy version and brethe new life into them and GM will have some real winners.

The character folds on the hood need to come down to the front, surround and lift up the pontiac grille.
It’s too plain as drawn.

Of course, GM’s not smart enough to put some thought into styling a rebadge, GM only knows to paste it on as if it’s MS Paint.

Looks like a Mitsubishi Lancer or Galant.

What a piece of American crap.

Hi Phil,

you’re right: It looks like a Mitsubishi Lancer / Galant and we’ve all seen that design before. Copy paste, copy paste…I couldn’t tell if it’s “American crap” ‘cuz I haven’t driven it, but the design is unappealing, or even worse: Boring, and really doesn’t make me want to drive it, let alone own it.

why is it that american car companies are allergic to actually designing a new car. it seems they like modifying other cars a little too much

How many sales does the current Grand Prix get each year? If Imported as a G8, Sales would be limited to a max of about 20,000 a year.

1c3d0g, your an ignorant bastard.

The design team that did the Camaro needs to take a look at that front end and make some more changes because it looks boring.

*yawn*

The front is nice and clean the way it should be.These GM design people have a better eye than Chris Bangle.Chris needs the ‘Clockwork Orange’ eye training exercise with this front end.Also Pontiac is probably the most comfortable car from GM.Excellent quality for dollar value as well in comparison to the imports.That’s your sale reason alone.

If you want LSD inspired body work for your cars then,buy something done by Chris Bangle.

hey 1c3dog, I hope you don’t live in the US because you sure don’t deserve to…..move to some 3rd world country where you can run all the Jap Crap you want.

Its crap and boring

it looks just lik eeverything else in the Pontiac line up….nothing about that car says “Excitment”…GM, copy what ever Audi does.

Put the Pontiac Name on it and send it cost 50 cent….Stop with the split grill it looks like G5 ,G6 Where in the GM Play book does it say it has to have that split grill WE ARE SICK OF IT Signed a Pontiac Dealer Since 1930 ………

It’s a start. The Commodore SS V is a pretty slick vehicle. In comparing it to the current Pontiac Grand Prix GXP V8, the Holden is a better global competitor to European & Asian competition…what Pontiac is supposed to be.

But there are true negatives to a plan to import a Pontiac G8: limited production and delivery timing may lead to lost sales, currency exchange rates may make the G8 more expensive to purchase in the US than if it were made here, and a totally new design may discourage current owners because they only want a new Pontiac made in the US and the design would be too foreign.

WeezyFBaby: Your public insensitivity and ignorance is completely unacceptable. Your comment has basically displayed your youth and the inability to properly express your thoughts. For the only word readers only saw was the word you shouldn’t have written. Please use a bit more maturity in the future.

‘what an american piece of crap’ ….actually made in australia except tht ****house front anyway

I finally figured out what I find so annoying about this car. First, it looks really nice, and the HP & RWD are very promising. Has all these great strong creases and angles everywhere… but then they ruin it by slapping this totally generic, uninspired, cliche looking Pontiac ’split kidney’ grille onto the front of it… The same old dull thing they’ve been putting on the fronts of every car that they make in recent years. Its like a rubber stamp.

Back in the day, they used to get real creative with that split grille theme. For example, the ‘68 GTO with the folding headlamps closed just looked bada$$.

Why can’t they come up with a grill design that says Pontiac, but also fits the look of the rest of this car?

All you guys are car enthusiasts, more over, PERFORMANCE car enthusiasts. If you want to know what sells in this country, look at previous models of the Camry, the Impala… they are bland cars. Most people are not performance enthusiasts. Now offer a somewhat bland car with a real performance value, I think you have something. This could be a real seller. Reserve judgement until you see what the real look will be. I think GM is on a roll, and they are taking very deliberate, careful steps not to step in the poo any more. I think they are willing to spend a buck or two to make this car what it needs to be. It’s the right car, rear drive and a V8. Some very subtle, minor tweaks and it’s good.

The problem with the last GTO was the marketing. They completely mismarketed the vehicle. We all know what a GTO is, and that car was not a GTO. They charged way too much for what should have been the new Grand Prix. don’t tell people it’s raining while pissing on their leg.

By the way, what’s with all of the dinks on here calling this car “American”?? It’s Australian

Jedi, I’m currently driving two cars that cost over 30K. So, so much for that ‘low credit score’ BS you’re pushing. Anyways, the truth is never popular. It’s probably a decent car, but as I said before, at the end of the the day it’s still a “Pontiac”. GM’s red headed step child.

Ignorance of America-bashers on full display. This car is Australian, dummy.

It looks very much like the Commodore, just with a Pontiac grill and a few small changes to the bumpers. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Commodore rebadged here as a Pontiac, but I would like to see a car here being sooo good so as to being rebadged for other countries. Right now most cars here aren’t good enough for rebadging anything else, they just wouldn’t be good competition in other markets (of course there are a few rebadgers).

Did anyone here read the paragraph? Settle down its just a ****ty MT chop.

the charger is killin that dont even make it

I think they need a look different that the grand am, that look is getting old.

I love how people bash GM for a photoshop that Motor Trend did. Even if you hate american cars you should at least learn to read.

Nice to see Mongoloids have access to the internet. This car (as they state) is a rendering, and for the velcro shoe wearing set, yes it is Australian not american.

As for the car, I think it would be a good move for Pontiac. Not necessarily to import it, but to make a 4 door RWD vehicle even domestically (which they have talked about). Basic sense shows that people are abandoning large SUVs and getting into larger cars as they still want something of size and substance.

They have expressed a desire to make pontiac an exciting brand and a solid performing replacement for the grand prix / bonneville followed by a camaro derived GTO would be a solid start. Their new V6s drop this year which I assume should make their way into the G6 for a boost in performance.

The G5 should sell well as the reincarnation of the sunfire and if they can sping a GXP model a la cobalt SS supercharged it couls well be an exciting lineup. Speaking of the G5, if they had made the car available out of the gate, I would expect that pontiac sales would be comaprably solid for the year (20k units of sunfire sales to match this year so far, with no car to do it).

Mock-up better not be close to what the “real” car looks like. GM should learn it’s lesson from the last GTO.

And, what’s with dropping the LS2 motor?

This could be another disaster.

It would be a mistake to simply graft a Pontiac grille on a Holden…just like the GTO. It was a failure by any stretch. What SHOULD happen is that they build the GP/G8 in the same plant with Camaro/Impala/Buick RWD cars with some unique Pontiac styling. Why improt Holdens from the drunk Aussies if you are going to build the same damn car here? Of all brands that should go “retro”, it should be Pontiac. Man, their sedans from the late 50’s to late 60’s were some of the coolest GM designs of the time…Wide Track, baby!

For some reason, that sedan already looks dated to me.

How hard was that piece of photoshopping. Hey guys we aint dumb

GM really needs to listen to Holden and its other international companies. Saturn could use more Opels and Chevy and Pontiac more Holdens/Vauxhalls. THe commodore an awesome car. Unfortunately, the US didn’t take to kindly to the GTO, which was a good car.

Come on GM, do it. Make the G8 or Grand Prix or whatever you’re going to call it.

I don’t give a **** how dated it may look, 300+ hp, rear wheel drive and relatively affordable more than make up for its lack of dazzling looks. I think the 300C is the epitome of ugly (Chrysler is so far ahead in the ugly car department that only Chris Bangle’s atrocities come close and they’re still way behind) but the concept certainly kicks ass and it’s selling quite well. I, for one, welcome our Australian overlords.

What a stylish piece of metal! Mean, muscular and certainly original. This may be the most beautiful car this side of a (overpriced POS btw) Ferrai Enzo! GM knows how to style a vehicle that’s for sho!

And who the hell is comparing it to an AUDI? Your kidding right? Audi hasn’t built a stylish ride in their enire existance. Their bubbly, chintsy and cheap. Only a blind idiot would praise an Audi interior over a superior GM interior.

Jim: that “1c3d0g” is a nick troll. Come on man, you know I love American cars. Apparently Ahk-Med and some others don’t.

The GTO did not fail because it was a rebadged Holden, it failed cause they called it a GTO.

I think if they bring this over and don’t change much about it it could be a great car. This car could steal a lot of potential buyers from Mitsu, Subaru, and even BMW. Holden actually pays attention to small details, something GM (USA), is bad about… The side rockers, the molded in front lip, the fog lights, the side markers, the mesh grill, the blackout housings, the door handles, the tops of the side view mirrors, are all things that GM would have skimped on. (I know the sidemarkers won’t make it, “Wut er these here side lights fer anyway?”) Motor Trend should not start calling this a “muscle car”, and you guys are tools for saying it needs more camaro styling. This is a powerful, refined sports sedan. It looks good the way it is, let’s hope Pontiac doesn’t screw it up.

This Holden is the best selling car in OZ, it has to be conservative, just like the Camry, accord etc. But over here this car will not attract attention from either import or LX/LY DCX intenders unless it has expressive Yankee brashness to attract them to the engineering and refinement found below the skin. When the Monaro /GTO arrived here my friends and I were driving past a GM dealership and one of them said “damn that’s a big Sunfire”. I knew it was over right then.

Yup, Pontiacs are the most refined, smoothest and best cars in their price range. Something that BMW, Honda, Mercedes and Audi could never grasp

2006300C , if a friend of yours thought a GTO looked like a Sunfire then apparently he’s a blind retard. All makes vehicles models will resemble each other. Toyotas all have similar girlles and appearnce as well as Honda’s, Chevys, ugly BMW’S and Chrysler. The new Sebring resembles the 300c and the new Stratus has the same grille style as the Charger. Its called brand image, so people know what it is. The Motor Honda Trend rendering of this car actually resembles an Acura TL a little. Sorry Honda people, I know all other cars insult your precious Honda believe everything you read minds.

He is a bit of a retard, but he’s nice, and the Sebring looks NOTHING like the 300C. This Holden does look like a TL and that is the problem. For twenty years the domestic cars have essentially looked like Japanese cars but bigger and with more chrome (2006 impala), ask the 60,000 unemployed people at ford and GM how that strategy has panned out.

ATTENTION LLN MORON’S, THE VEHICLE YOU SEE HERE IS A “MOTOR TREND” RENDERING. IF YOU WILL PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES JUST LONG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE, YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND THIS FACT !

AS AMERICANS, WE CAN FORGIVE JAPAN FOR PEARL HARBOR YET WE CAN’T FORGIVE DETROIT FOR THE 70s?

“Yup, Pontiacs are the most refined, smoothest and best cars in their price range.”

If that price range is under ten grand and the competition is Kia…

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/modeloverview?modelid=8000

this is what we want, but with chevrolet,pontiac,buick and cadillac styling. 203 inches long, 6.0 V8 and 6 speed auto.

2006300C, I think you wish list will be met by GM ! I’m looking forward to the return of rear drive at The General, and I know Lutz and the boy’s will suprise everybody with bold styling and craftsmanship.

Kickin,,,,,lol !!! Funny post. We’ll file it in the “I am clueless” folder. Thanks for your time.

GTO could have worked… It was just weird as a pontiac. All the pontiac details looked just tacked on. If they do the same thing with the commodore–>grand prix… it’ll fail too

“The General, and I know Lutz and the boy’s will suprise everybody with bold styling and craftsmanship.”

Thanks for the laugh, craftsmanship and General Mediocrity are mutually exclusive to one another. File it under “I have zero taste” folder huh?

Kicken your a crackup

Zero taste.Whatever.Depends what kind of person you are.If you are a circus clown,I would have to take the “zero taste” comment as a compliment.Why does the Mecedes G-Wagon look like that?Because it doesn’t need a styling upgrade.

GM ,notably Pontiac is the best value for the money.30,000 dollars for a compact Honda Civic means you are cognitively impaired.

If you fancy lines on a car,it will date horribly.

Kia?That tells me you are a sociopath because of your extreme irrationality.

You people who don’t like this car need a vehicle designed by somebody on a bad LSD trip.Chris Bangle has what you want.

A circus clown needs a circus wagon.What does a clown drive?

GM….bring the Holdens over here AS-IS…….Don’t give them the lame old Pontiac kidney grills. Holden makes cars that are fun to drive, performance oriented, w/ high quality interiors. The GTO is a great example of a great car (Monaro) bastardized by the GMNA’s ultra conservative, and risk averse (meaning LAME) designers. Holdens (in their original form) are the BMW killers that GM needs if they want Pontiac to live up to it’s title as GM’s performance brand.

Just leave it alone, and bring it to the states.

If your paying 30 thousand dollars for a Honda Civic, you’re a sucker. Then again you think Pontiac is the best value so your just an ignorant dip****.

I say keep the Grand Prix nameplate.

http://www.cgiautomotive.com/cars/gm-pontiacgrandprixss.htm

Here’s the original

I think the biggest question is why GM decided to pick Pontiac for it’s new RWD lineup including the bad ass 6.0 liter??? Because they know Pontiac enthusiasts want POWER. I dont see how many of you can knock a car that hasn’t even came out yet not to mention that if you’re already bashing on this possible car then you’re bashing on the Commodore. Can some of you even spell GXP, let alone explain it? Maybe next we can start bashing on the 6.0 liter that’s been around, oh a billion years.
Sincerely,
a 2004 Pontiac Comp G owner.

Oh yeah, because all the competition is scrambling to throw a lead weight V8 truck motor into a family sedan. Check your resale value on your Comp G tracey…

No wait, don’t because your in for a shock.

Again, rather than come up with a comptetive, competent V6 to win buyers over from the Camry and Accord, GM packs a freakin truck motor into it just to keep up. What that take a late night or two at the design center to come up with that bandaid?

Because everyone is clammoring for 300+ lb/ft of torque to the front wheels… Yet none of the competition is following GM’s lead on this. hmmmmmm wonder why?

The smaller the engine,the harder it has to work.

GM.Best value for where a person wants to put their money in comparison to certain other makes and their pricing.If a person is satisfied with the product(what that person wants the product to do)then for you to refute that is irrational and childish.I’ll feel better driving a G6 2 door than what you drive because the quality is proportional to the price, also, the look of the Pontiac 2 door G6 is a design masterwork.Chris Bangle is a design quack compared to the people who crafted the 2 door G6 shell. You GM bashing bozos are also that.Design quacks.

KIa and Pontiac.Ask an airport rental car customer which they prefer.You will see a frown of astonishment that will require 5 years of Botox to return the customer’s face to normal.

Pete”,conservative” and” bastardized” don’t go together.Just the opposite in fact.You’re a clown.You need a clown car.

Pete. BMW’s have kidney shaped grilles too.

anonymous, its rear drive you moron, and this is not a truck motor, and NOTHING will ever replace the effortless power of a V8.

The kidney grill is a trade feature of the car(s).

Anonymous: Pontiac is drawing consumers away from
Camrys and Accords by making cars that AREN’T BORING. I can’t think of anything more boring than a Camry.

Building a car with a modern V8 on a RWD platform which is SO much more fun to drive than a FWD is the way to draw consumers. People want power, they want features, they want more control over gas mileage, and they want affordability. If Pontiac offers this with a RWD V8, heads up display, trip computers, stock amplified sound systems, displacement on demand, etc, all at prices in the range of GP’s over the last 5 years; people won’t compare the GP to the Camry, they’ll run right past it without even caring to take a look. That’s how you win in todays market, you have to turn heads and evoke passion, not try to be “best in class”. If you haven’t driven a fully loaded post 1997 grand prix, got out and drive one, then you’ll get it.

I think that Holdens are decent cars, but I really like my Grand Prix as is. For under 20K my base GP is great! Some options that would be cool (and differnet for the class) would be to add a full hatchback and AWD. A more potent engine could be added, but the supercharged 3800 has 260HP and 280FP so that works well. It is an old engine, but reliable as hell. I am from the snowbelt, RWD cars are not for me.

When can I buy one? It’s the American car I’ve been waiting for! I don’t care where it’s designed and built, all that matters is if it’s built by an American car company.

This car is what EVERY domestic, V8, RWD loving person has wanted. A reasonably priced, nice sized, high performance RWD vehicle for those of us that don’t want / can’t get a $50k Bimmer.

I found a good site… There’s a lot more detail about the car here:

http://www.L98G8.com

Brian