cmon they couldnt keep the GT premium under 30k? Whats a whole $100 bucks…

More detail on the pricing specs.

This car was stillborn the day GM showed off the hot new Camaro concept. I’m surprised Ford even took the time to update this lame pile of sh1t knowing damn well that Americans would rather drive a GM car like the Camaro.

Nobody realizes that Ford is going out of business first. Nobody gives a sh1t about unreliable, cheap garbage that Ford is known for. That’s what happens when you rely on import crap as your base.

Buy REAL American! Buy GM.

These prices aren’t going to matter when the car is released. I garantee ATLEAST $5,000 Markup on a GT.
Even with the Economy in the sh*tter, they will put them on because stealerships are so smart. Just like they did with the challenger. End result, their still sitting in the showrooms. LoL

What the hell is this? An actual article about a car? No politics, no finger pointing, no debt figures, no Wall Street – this kind of unadulterated tripe should be banished immediately! How dare they blemish weeks of unbridled ranting with such trivial fodder?

@johnnycanuck, I can say I am actually very interested in what it will be and the visual overall. Are you intending on moving-up when this model is released or have you been swayed by Need more brain cells for GM?

@Need more oil for GM That is, if GM survives till the camaro goes on sale…. the way things are looking the mustang might have the challenger as its only competition

adding to my comment…

Earlier this year I was interested in an SRT8 challenger after I sold me ‘06 Evolution IX MR. I went to all the dealerships here in NJ in my area and they ALL had $10,000+ markups on them. I told all the salesman that they were crazy and whoever’s idea it was is a retard. One place even had $25K markup. LoL

Anyway, I ended up not buying a Challenger. Oh well. What’s my point?

Well, turns out that almost every single Challenger I saw when shopping was STILL there almost a month later. They eventually dropped their markups to $5K at almost all the dealerships right in time for the beginning of our recession. Good job guys! Smart. They lost my business and I’m sure their were others that left and baught another brand car somewhere else like I did. I’m sorry but i’m no expert in the way businesses are run, but it just doesn’t seem smart to me.
Instead of selling those first examples ASAP so that Chrysler can see what type of demand they were so they can decide on production #’s and such, instead they have to cut production because nobody is buying.
Now the dealerships are littered with SRT8s and RTs all over the place. Yet on the street, I’ve seen less that 5 since launch.

Same thing is going to happen to this Mustang Just like the current one when it first came out.

I’m sorry, but I know these dealerships are privately owned and everything. Manufactures can’t control what dealerships price their cars at yada yada yada.
Well you know what? When it’s affecting how many cars, as a Manufacturer, you’re actually selling and producing I think they should step in.

LLLL#3, I’m very much looking forward to this as well. My biggest roadblock to trading up would be that voice of reason I have to share a bed with. I’ve pulled off some pretty twisted logic in my day to justify a new car purchase, but when you already have a mint 6 year old GT that only just turned over the 40k km mark sitting in the garage I’d probably be wise to look for another battle to fight in the short term.

Yawn

Camaro is so superior to Mustang.

You guys that talk about the Camaro crack me up.

First off @howsmydriving: So you must be on of the special people that already have a Camaro in the garage. Because I know the public can’t even buy them yet. It’s so superior that they are holding it back!! Nice try.

@Need More Oil for GM: Ford is in the best shape of all 3. All the talk in the news is how GM will be done by spring of ‘09 if they do not get a laon. Ford is in good shape for the foreseeable future. Ford is the only 3 coming out with fresh products soon. the other 2 are delaying intros and R&D.

And lastly, we all know why the Camaro was killed and not in the market for the last 6 years. It’s because the Mustang was outselling it 4-1 when the Camaro bit the dust.

The Mustang is and will always be the #1 Muscle car. Maybe not in HP #’s and things like that, but the sales numbers will always be better.

NMOFGM- “Nobody realizes that Ford is going out of business first. “…yep, and even if that’s true GM isn’t far behind. So what’s your point?

@teamfordparts
“Ford is in the best shape of all 3″ – it is like description of a cancer patient with least amount side effects after failed chemotherapy (in a room with 2 others). But technically you are right. This is akin to debating which looser is worse looser. I doubt that either ‘Tang or Camaro make it to the market: it is a specialty car not meant to add to bottom line. Congress will not allow this. Remember, it is Congress who will rule those factories and most of democrats more aligned with Al Gore then “Joe the plumber”

My point is that GM is not going out of business because Washington will give them the money to make a full turnaround. It is washingtons duty to make sure GM survives, just as it is our duty as Americans to buy GM when it comes to our vehicles. It is the fault of those sh1thead consumers who do otherwise that GM is having problems, but the media is overblowing it. Meanwhile Ford and their craptacular product is going to fail first. Americans would much rather support GM than Ford.

And if they don’t then they are not Americans and should not call themselves Americans.

i don’t know how true this is but i was reading an article in the news paper when i was at the library and it said that the gov cant let GM go bankrupt because of its ties with the army and their vehicles. without gm, they would have to spend even more money to find other vehicles, trannys for tanks and what not. anyone else know anything about this?

So superior that Mustang has outsold the Camaro every year both have been on sale. It will still outsell the Camaro (and Challenger) for the next 20+ years…
By the way, how is it “so superior”? Have you driven one… nope. What a valuable comment.

Need more oil for GM – why should the American people have to cough up billions of dollars to keep a company that has done everything wrong to get to the point where it currently finds itself? When did government bailouts become patriotic? When I think of patriotism, I think of personal responsibility: pulling yourself up by your boot straps. Let’s face it, GM has dropped the ball. They have continually built inferior products – partly due to the fact that they start at a disadvantage due to years of giving employees contracts that they could not ultimately afford – they were far behind the times when it came to recognizing a shift in the market to smaller, more fuel efficient cars, and now this mismanagement has left them with no cash. Why should the American people be responsible for GM’s screw-ups? I agree that the American economy needs GM to stay afloat, but don’t tell me that the only answer is for Washington to cut GM a check as a reward for incompetence.

idrinorbarsaku…..
The U.S. Army is already looking in to other auto manufactures for military vehicles, so far International has some, and for what I have read about them, they are way better then the Hummer, in power, MPG, comfort, and price, so they say, but look for your self….

http://www.navistardefense.com/portal/site/NavistarDefense/menuitem.d1d1fd0aebbc26852552cf91580dbea0/?vgnextoid=29276ddd5af29110VgnVCM10000085d0eb0aRCRD

Now about Mustang vrs. Camaro….. it’s good to hear about cars again, but I first need to SEE, FILL, DRIVE the Camaro 1st, so far the Challenger looks good but I have yet drive the SRT-8, until then my Shelby is the best, because it’s mine, if and wean the Camaro is here if I like I buy, if not to bad, Ohooo, and paying a mark-up, I’m looking to pay invoice, so I’ll just wait…

Both the Camaro and Mustang will make it to market. The tooling and assembly lines are already in place. These are profitable programs for each company (on paper) or they wouldn’t have been given approval in the first place. Remember, bean counters have been running Ford & GM the last 20 years. Finally, both companies are making great products in most segments of the market.

For all of those negative types, what are Ford & GM supposed to do? They are trying to make good vehicles that people want to increase their market share. America needs to keep the manufacturing technology & jobs within our borders (and Canada) to improve the economy for the future. Unfortunately, the auto industry is a major contributer to manufacturing technology. We are shipping the technology to India, China, etc. Who is suddenly making their own cars now… the same people that make our components.

mhb11,

Even though I my job is tied to the auto industry, I agree with your comments. I hope that all 3 companies can hold on until the general economy improves and car sales increase. I feel that American prodcuts are just as good as anybody elses. I just hope that we start buying more Fords and Chevys instead of Camrys and Accords.

Yeah “camero is so superior “that they don’t even make it. haven’t made it for years. if you haven’t check gm is going bankrupt. they will be gone before they will release the camero.

thanks for the link yarddog82abn. i wanna keep on talking about this but this is about the mustang so…
i just wanna say that i was really getting tired of those sneak peak pics as if the mustang had the worlds first v30 engine or something….its just the same lame mustang and until they come out with a saleen/shelby/etc i will not care a bit! go camaro

Need more oil for GM, welcome back!